As I said earlier today my local polling station was unusually quiet this morning but there is definitely more of an election buzz on in Edinburgh. I wouldn't be surprised if turnout there was pretty good for locals held on a day when there is nothing else on.
I think that in Edinburgh where all 5 parties have MSPs and also prospects of having at least a few councillors plus almost no chance of anybody being in the majority leads to a much more interesting and vigorous campaign than in other parts of the country say closer to home to yourself.
Agreed. Although Angus is quite marginal for the SNP in terms of control. Dundee looks rock solid for them. I hear that the tories in Edinburgh are quite bullish. We shall have to see.
Will be interesting if the results give any indication of the SNP vulnerabilities in the Edin SW and Edin North and Leith seats to either the Con in either or Labour in Edin North. I think that Angus is somewhat complicated by the number of independents standing and were elected last time. Notable that in 2 of the 4 person wards there are only 5 candidates - not exactly demanding conditions to get elected!
Donald Tusk: 'Don't let Brexit emotions get out of hand' "These negotiations are difficult enough as they are," Mr Tusk told reporters.
"If we start arguing before they even begin, they will become impossible.
"The stakes are too high to let our emotions get out of hand because at stake are the daily lives and interests of millions of people on both sides of the channel.
"We must keep in mind that in order to succeed we need today discretion, moderation, mutual respect and a maximum of goodwill."
The call for discretion is thought to be aimed at EC President Jean-Claude Juncker, who reportedly called Mrs May "delusional" following a Downing Street dinner to discuss Brexit.
@agcolehamilton: Crushingly low turnout in #SNP areas- 22% in Muirhouse W, whilst heavy in LibDem ones 66%-Blackhall. Look for surprises tomorrow #council17
@stephenkb: .@patrickkmaguire tells me that turnout in the metro mayor election in Liverpool was just 10% at 8pm: newstatesman.com/politics/elect…
Christ. People really want this extra layer of bureaucracy don't they?
Some fool released a proposal to have a fourth mayor in Bristol!
A few weeks ago I was discussing someone if we should start having elected judges (I'm opposed), I asked him what he thought the turnout would be in judicial elections.
@faisalislam: Polls closed - "v close" in W. Midlands where Conservatives put huge effort into -Lab still think can win, its turnout "better than hoped"
@agcolehamilton: Crushingly low turnout in #SNP areas- 22% in Muirhouse W, whilst heavy in LibDem ones 66%-Blackhall. Look for surprises tomorrow #council17
Ah good, I've just put down a few quid on Carmichael.
@faisalislam: Polls closed - "v close" in W. Midlands where Conservatives put huge effort into -Lab still think can win, its turnout "better than hoped"
How does Labour know those people are actually voting Labour at the polls ?
I would have been flabbergasted if they didn't lose control. Now them calling if for a Con majority this early would be a sign that things are going as wrong as we hope/expect,
Calling it for Con this early sounds more like expectation management to me.
That does not mean it wont still be bad or Very bad for labour.
Who's calling Nottinghamshire as a Conservative gain ?
Either the Euro aspires to be a reserve currency traded where traders feel like the EU wants to bring in capital controls. London is the biggest trader in dollars, Euros and outside of China the Renimbi.
I can't see how they can stop trading in London in what ever London wants to trade in. I suspect that makes the French very very angry.
The clearing issue is a bit more complicated than that, and refers almost entirely to the derivative business, where people need to net trades off against each other to avoid excessive margin requirements. I'll write a piece when I'm not in bed...
@faisalislam: Polls closed - "v close" in W. Midlands where Conservatives put huge effort into -Lab still think can win, its turnout "better than hoped"
How does Labour know those people are actually voting Labour at the polls ?
Seriously? It's the easiest one to understand, even its name makes it clear.
What rubbish is this?! Its name is as fraudulent as its results, since it is the only voting system that actually doesn't have a post.
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In what sense does let's say AV "have a post"?
The winning post in AV is 50% (of the votes cast). If someone gets 50% in the first round, they are elected. If not, the lowest candidate is eliminated and votes transferred, and this continues until someone gets to 50% of the valid votes remaining.
The winning post in STV is the calculated quota (total votes divided by the number of candidates plus one, rounded up). The winning post in list systems is calculated using the D'Hondt formula.
Whereas our voting system has no winning post at all! You can win with 10% of the vote if the other ten candidates get 9% of the vote each.
The more the eurocrats and remainers attack the PM on this the more votes will pile up for her.
If there is a lesson from Juncker's leakings it is that this should be the end of it and proper confidential negotiations take place keeping Junckers out of it. Leave it to Tusk who of course represents the Nation states who have most to lose if it hits a brick wall
@faisalislam: Polls closed - "v close" in W. Midlands where Conservatives put huge effort into -Lab still think can win, its turnout "better than hoped"
How does Labour know those people are actually voting Labour at the polls ?
Either the Euro aspires to be a reserve currency traded where traders feel like the EU wants to bring in capital controls. London is the biggest trader in dollars, Euros and outside of China the Renimbi.
I can't see how they can stop trading in London in what ever London wants to trade in. I suspect that makes the French very very angry.
The clearing issue is a bit more complicated than that, and refers almost entirely to the derivative business, where people need to net trades off against each other to avoid excessive margin requirements. I'll write a piece when I'm not in bed...
I appreciate that but I can't see how they can control where the trades take place.
@Paul_D1963: Back from voting. Was @UKLabour local candidate 2015 but can’t support #Corbyn. Voted #LibDems #Brexit #LocalElections2017 #LocalElections
@Paul_D1963: Back from voting. Was @UKLabour local candidate 2015 but can’t support #Corbyn. Voted #LibDems #Brexit #LocalElections2017 #LocalElections
Christ when your own bloody candidates can't support you...
@agcolehamilton: Crushingly low turnout in #SNP areas- 22% in Muirhouse W, whilst heavy in LibDem ones 66%-Blackhall. Look for surprises tomorrow #council17
LDs will make gains in Edinburgh - we managed to lose 14 of our 17 seats five years ago. But the real prize is 5 weeks time in the Westminster equivalent of Alex Cole-Hamilton's Holyrood seat and regaining Edinburgh West. Poor turnout for the SNP today may well not be repeated next month but it shows there is a drop in the enthusiasm of the members for campaigning. They average about 2000 members per Westminster seat (or 200 per ward) but a lot of their wards seem only to have 3-4 people working them.
I'm genuinely worried there could be some really pathetic turnout in a lot of places. Had a 21% in one ward in Wiltshire last time, and turnout down in all but 1ward. could see plenty going sub 20%.
In my ward in south Trafford the turnout was described as "normal" when I asked. One local election and the Manchester Mayoral.
Given that in 2013 UKIP were at their peak, and the near total levels of them transferring to the Tories, I'm predicting a total bloodbath tonight for Lab in terms of seats held.
what are doing on here! u should be out getting out as many last minute votes for you as possible! (too late now).
I've helped out in the target ward, mine has been a more err... relaxed.. campaign
u should have gone out and intentionally annoyed the voters....
Labour did that with their bloody car megaphone campaign reminding the street to Vote Labour. Woke my other half up, wasn't impressed .. still voting Labour in the GE tho ><</p>
Seriously? It's the easiest one to understand, even its name makes it clear.
What rubbish is this?! Its name is as fraudulent as its results, since it is the only voting system that actually doesn't have a post.
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In what sense does let's say AV "have a post"?
The winning post in AV is 50% (of the votes cast). If someone gets 50% in the first round, they are elected. If not, the lowest candidate is eliminated and votes transferred, and this continues until someone gets to 50% of the valid votes remaining.
The winning post in STV is the calculated quota (total votes divided by the number of candidates plus one, rounded up). The winning post in list systems is calculated using the D'Hondt formula.
Whereas our voting system has no winning post at all! You can win with 10% of the vote if the other ten candidates get 9% of the vote each.
Would not winning W Midlands count as a bad night for the Tories? They've pushed har dand seemed very confident.
Nah, WM is very demographically friendly to Lab. Gaining a majority in fewer than 10 more councils than 2013 counts as a bad result in my book.
I think people underestimate just how tough this should have been for Street. For him to win would be an earthquake. It is NOT the western half of the midlands region.
Presumably a lot of those people who had not voted in years, but voted in the referendum last year, have gone back to non voting. Or do you think that they might have gotten a taste for it?
Given that in 2013 UKIP were at their peak, and the near total levels of them transferring to the Tories, I'm predicting a total bloodbath tonight for Lab in terms of seats held.
There are still some (in my opinion) insanely good bets to be had on size of Con majority.
Even the worst baxtering of the polls so far comes up at +150 seats and you can still get 6.4 (150-174) and 7 (175-199) on betfair.
Those odds have come in sharply today by the way, I got another tenner on the Tories at 175 - 199 at 12.5 earlier today.
If we assume the results tonight predict a labour bloodbath those odds will shorten much further tomorrow.
Presumably a lot of those people who had not voted in years, but voted in the referendum last year, have gone back to non voting. Or do you think that they might have gotten a taste for it?
Some, maybe, but call me cynical I don't think many. The only previous non-voter I am sure of said they'd never vote again, and hasn't for the locals, although they are now saying they will vote in the GE to 'Stop Corbyn'.
Presumably a lot of those people who had not voted in years, but voted in the referendum last year, have gone back to non voting. Or do you think that they might have gotten a taste for it?
If they've gotten a taste for it then the polls will likely be off by a sizeable amount. I think that its perfectly credible to believe that just because they haven't voted tonight doesn't mean that they won't vote in the GE.
Would not winning W Midlands count as a bad night for the Tories? They've pushed har dand seemed very confident.
Nah, WM is very demographically friendly to Lab. Gaining a majority in fewer than 10 more councils than 2013 counts as a bad result in my book.
I think people underestimate just how tough this should have been for Street. For him to win would be an earthquake. It is NOT the western half of the midlands region.
Well done him if he wins then. He seems a very credible candidate.
Presumably a lot of those people who had not voted in years, but voted in the referendum last year, have gone back to non voting. Or do you think that they might have gotten a taste for it?
If they've gotten a taste for it then the polls will likely be off by a sizeable amount. I think that its perfectly credible to believe that just because they haven't voted tonight doesn't mean that they won't vote in the GE.
The ~2 million non GE voting Brexiteers don't bother for small time elections.
@agcolehamilton: Crushingly low turnout in #SNP areas- 22% in Muirhouse W, whilst heavy in LibDem ones 66%-Blackhall. Look for surprises tomorrow #council17
Ah good, I've just put down a few quid on Carmichael.
careful-could mean you're elected! (o.k so it's scotland but still...)
Alistar do we think many libdems could vote 1) libdem 2) tory 3) Labour or not?
West Midlands shouldn't be close if the Labour meltdown is true.
Well it depends how Labour is melting down. There's relatively few WWC, and a lot more BMEs, the former which have gone over the Con heavily, while the latter haven't.
Re. Scotch turnout, fwiw partner was manning a polling station in the West End of Glasgow; their turnout 42%, adjacent one 50% which seem high for locals.
@tnewtondunn: The weirdness of #GE2017: a friend at a BBC national outlet tells me they rang 70 different Labour MPs to come on yesterday. None agreed.
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I think that Angus is somewhat complicated by the number of independents standing and were elected last time. Notable that in 2 of the 4 person wards there are only 5 candidates - not exactly demanding conditions to get elected!
As before, I don't think Burnham is a 1.01 shot though. Or if he is, Sion Simon is a cert. He isn't.
Wait, no, now I get the confusion.
Talk about SPIN! Tusk telling everbody to calm down and the Guardian tries to spin it as directed at the British PM.
Desperate!
In what sense does let's say AV "have a post"?
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/860246536151814144
The winning post in STV is the calculated quota (total votes divided by the number of candidates plus one, rounded up). The winning post in list systems is calculated using the D'Hondt formula.
Whereas our voting system has no winning post at all! You can win with 10% of the vote if the other ten candidates get 9% of the vote each.
If the Labour vote REALLY has collapsed, I might have let the Tory in through the back door in my ward...
Are LibDem betters a little shy ?
I'm on the LibDems to win Southport BTW.
If there is a lesson from Juncker's leakings it is that this should be the end of it and proper confidential negotiations take place keeping Junckers out of it. Leave it to Tusk who of course represents the Nation states who have most to lose if it hits a brick wall
Thanks for the link, william - even funnier.!
Poor turnout for the SNP today may well not be repeated next month but it shows there is a drop in the enthusiasm of the members for campaigning. They average about 2000 members per Westminster seat (or 200 per ward) but a lot of their wards seem only to have 3-4 people working them.
People can't bear to come out and vote Labour.
What was the backer thinking ? Were they thinking ?
My polling station was deserted this morning too.
Or do you think that they might have gotten a taste for it?
At least I managed to get into the Green box.....
Even the worst baxtering of the polls so far comes up at +150 seats and you can still get 6.4 (150-174) and 7 (175-199) on betfair.
Those odds have come in sharply today by the way, I got another tenner on the Tories at 175 - 199 at 12.5 earlier today.
If we assume the results tonight predict a labour bloodbath those odds will shorten much further tomorrow.
Fnarr Fnarr
Alistar do we think many libdems could vote 1) libdem 2) tory 3) Labour or not?
@RobDotHutton: David Davis tells #bbcqt that May was goaded into accusing the EU of interference by stories in the Times and the FT.
@RobDotHutton: Basically, he's saying we're having a diplomatic row that's the fault of @JeremyCliffe, @oliver_wright and @alexebarker.
:LOL:
Changing topic - Davis is enjoying QT. Wood talking balls about Welsh interests...
Well can anyone here actually name his challenger ?
It's happening
I've met him twice, as he tried to get my vote