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    chrisbchrisb Posts: 101
    Pulpstar said:

    Southport LibDem 5/4 looks like value.

    I'm on both the Tories and Lib Dems at 5-4 against there now. Which is as clear an indication of value as you'll ever see.
    You can get 7/4 Lib Dems with Skybet
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039
    Where's this Scottish YouGov we were promised?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    No problem though, we can just tell the EU to F'off, and crash out on WTO terms, right?

    https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/857705977847664642

    Oh...
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Saltire said:

    Alistair said:

    Unless I've misread the analysis SNP +3% for the Council elections seems rather low to me does it not?

    I think that the SNP vote will increase by more than that in West of Scotland and in some areas I can see them increasing by 10%+ but, and I know that this is based from 2012 votes, in some areas they will flat line or indeed fall back slightly. I would guess 3% is a bit low but not by much.
    I have spent a fair bit of time canvassing in different parts of P&K over the last 3 months and there is a lot of anti-SNP feeling about with a number of SNP supporters who are much less enthused than before or indeed switching to other parties. It would be a bit of a surprise to see them holding onto the council as the minority party (20/41 at the moment)
    The GE has thrown what little thoughts i had about the council elections up in the air. The effect it will have on turnout is kind of critical to the result given the huge attrition low turn out has on the SNP vote.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,444

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    The EU can say what it wants but the DUP is still the largest party in NI and powersharing is the only way forward
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,243
    Pulpstar said:

    Southport LibDem 5/4 looks like value.

    I'm on both the Tories and Lib Dems at 5-4 against there now. Which is as clear an indication of value as you'll ever see.
    Unless you take the 7/4 LibDems that SkyBet are offering right now.

    :wink:
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    GIN1138 said:

    Where's this Scottish YouGov we were promised?

    Probably midnight
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Scott_P said:
    More to the point it would go down very badly in parts of NI. I find it hard to believe the EU would enter such a difficult arena. furthermore it seems designed at this juncture to encourage and even bigger landslide for the Tories.
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    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    The EU can say what it wants but the DUP is still the largest party in NI and powersharing is the only way forward
    Its the only peaceful way forward
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,068

    Pulpstar said:

    Southport LibDem 5/4 looks like value.

    I'm on both the Tories and Lib Dems at 5-4 against there now. Which is as clear an indication of value as you'll ever see.
    Unless you take the 7/4 LibDems that SkyBet are offering right now.

    :wink:
    Done.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,218

    Here's a potential VERY longshot.

    North Down Con 500/1

    Its a very affluent constituency where May might be popular and which the Conservatives nearly won in 1992.

    I wonder if May might campaign there with her emphasis on the United Kingdom.

    The more I think about it, the more I think that's an excellent tip.

    There's a chance the EU's actions, and May's own personal appeal, draws the politics of the UK together very sharply, particularly since the DUP allure has faded.

    It's happened for the Conservatives in Wales and Scotland, why not NI too?
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    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Scott_P said:
    hahaha - this is getting really silly.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,014
    edited April 2017
    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,732

    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    The Tories can't be that broke, they have just hired Crosby and Messina, who aren't exactly cheap.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,571
    felix said:

    More to the point it would go down very badly in parts of NI. I find it hard to believe the EU would enter such a difficult arena. furthermore it seems designed at this juncture to encourage and even bigger landslide for the Tories.

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election. I hope the Remainers will now retract their unfounded criticism. ;)
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    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    The Tories can't be that broke, they have just hired Crosby and Messina, who aren't exactly cheap.
    They may have bought the caviar, but they can't afford the drinks, or any other meal for the rest of the month.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039
    edited April 2017

    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    We really do need to move to a cap on election expenditure and state funding of political parties.

    That way multi-millionaire chums of the Posh Boys will have never again have any further influence on the future of this country (beyond their own votes of course)
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,921
    Scott_P said:



    ... "Theresa May accuses every EU country of ganging up on Britain over Brexit" ...

    Um... The EU27 are simply ensuring Brexit means Brexit. Mrs May should approve.

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    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    The Tories can't be that broke, they have just hired Crosby and Messina, who aren't exactly cheap.
    I donated my contribution yesterday
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,218

    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.

    Well, I'm not staying up for that.

    Fux sake. What time do they call that?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,444
    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Latest polling has around 40% of Melenchon voters abstaining in the runoff, 30% of Hamon voters and 30% of Macron voters, Macron only wins more than 50% of first round Hamon voters
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,345
    Much as I would like to contribute to tonight's discussion, I see it has deteriorated into the Dad's Army episode of www.brexiteerswanking.com again, so I shall confine myself to passing on my condolences to Sunil and Murali when I finish work later tonight.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,444

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    The EU can say what it wants but the DUP is still the largest party in NI and powersharing is the only way forward
    Its the only peaceful way forward
    Absolutely
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,030
    5 Live say BoJo's sister joins LDs
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    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.

    Well, I'm not staying up for that.

    Fux sake. What time do they call that?
    The time they update their website.

    It might appear earlier on these twitter accounts, so might be worth following

    https://twitter.com/thetimesscot/with_replies

    and

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/with_replies
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    scotslass said:

    The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country.

    ROFL
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    glwglw Posts: 9,571
    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
    It's not complicated, it means she doesn't have to worry about rebels.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,087
    Scott_P said:

    scotslass said:

    The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country.

    ROFL
    If it is rock solid, doesn't that imply it hasn't changed.. :p
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,580
    edited April 2017
    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    Offensive in its attitude is in the SNP dna
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    glw said:

    It's not complicated, it means she doesn't have to worry about rebels.

    The EU were never worried about her rebels
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039

    5 Live say BoJo's sister joins LDs

    Not so much #fakenews as #oldnews and given I'm not sure why the hell I should care about what Boris Johnson's sister thinks anymore than I cared about what Cherie Booth QC's sister thought back in the day I'd be tempted to say #nonews
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    FF43 said:

    Scott_P said:



    ... "Theresa May accuses every EU country of ganging up on Britain over Brexit" ...

    Um... The EU27 are simply ensuring Brexit means Brexit. Mrs May should approve.

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857656070856114176
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,675
    I'm sorry, you think SLAB is going to remain the largest party in Glasgow? Not A Chance.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,500
    Northampton South MP David Mackintosh standing down over a local finance scandal from his time leading the council.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    I wouldn't describe the anti-SNP thing a just something you get from the Tories. It is from all other parties (except the odd Green voter that you come across). Yes the SNP vote will be up across most of the country, but I think that in the more rural or indeed the more affluent areas (Basically low Labour vote areas) I think that it will not be up by very much at all.
    I would also suggest the anti-SNPness you get from Tories is not any different in how vigorous it is to the anti-Toryness you get from Nationalists.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,732
    isam said:

    twitter.com/wikiguido/status/857537272815734784

    Funny how that slipped the attention of the BBC....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,407

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    It is worth remembering that it wasn't always like that. In the early 2000s, Germany was the sick man of the Eurozone, laden down with reunification bills and an inflexible labour market. Under Schroeder and Haartz, they liberalised the Labour market, and the rest - they say - is history.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185

    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    Offensive in its attitude is in the SNP dna
    Something I have noticed with the SNP over the last three-four years is that they are a very strong political entity, but an awful governing one. They are good at getting power but then completely fail to wield it, they just look for more power and neglect the areas they can already control. This leaves them in a permanent state of revolution, but if this tide is turned and they begin to lose ground it would be interesting to see what happens next.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,089

    Northampton South MP David Mackintosh standing down over a local finance scandal from his time leading the council.

    Just as well
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    glwglw Posts: 9,571
    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    It's not complicated, it means she doesn't have to worry about rebels.

    The EU were never worried about her rebels
    May was, and if there's going to be a fight with the EU it would be better if she didn't have to keep looking over her shoulder. A bigger majority will mean she has one problem, not two.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,089

    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    The rich will cough up. £19m is small beer.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,243
    DavidL said:

    I'm sorry, you think SLAB is going to remain the largest party in Glasgow? Not A Chance.

    The perils of UNS.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,089

    Here's a potential VERY longshot.

    North Down Con 500/1

    Its a very affluent constituency where May might be popular and which the Conservatives nearly won in 1992.

    I wonder if May might campaign there with her emphasis on the United Kingdom.

    The more I think about it, the more I think that's an excellent tip.

    There's a chance the EU's actions, and May's own personal appeal, draws the politics of the UK together very sharply, particularly since the DUP allure has faded.

    It's happened for the Conservatives in Wales and Scotland, why not NI too?
    Possibly elsewhere, but Lady Hermon is very safe.
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    Ally_BAlly_B Posts: 185
    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
    I wonder how this will play out on the Election as people start to see the implications arising from the cesspit of lies the Leave campaign peddled. The political and financial costs are starting to become apparent to more than just the educated amongst us on this Board and there are another six weeks of job losses and negative press to come. I think Tory vote expectations have peaked and it will be downhill from here until Polling day.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039
    edited April 2017

    Northampton South MP David Mackintosh standing down over a local finance scandal from his time leading the council.

    Sean_F said:



    Just as well

    This is an incredibly convoluted and long-running saga but it relates to loans given to Northampton Town FC and it's former owner who was at one point being investigated by the police.

    Not sure what actually came of the police inquiry?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,512

    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.

    Not made the front page? Disappointing.

    https://twitter.com/TimesPictures/status/857708061292711936
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,087
    Ally_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
    I wonder how this will play out on the Election as people start to see the implications arising from the cesspit of lies the Leave campaign peddled. The political and financial costs are starting to become apparent to more than just the educated amongst us on this Board and there are another six weeks of job losses and negative press to come. I think Tory vote expectations have peaked and it will be downhill from here until Polling day.
    Six weeks of job losses and negative press?

    For certain, or are you just hopeful? :smiley:
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,089
    Ally_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
    I wonder how this will play out on the Election as people start to see the implications arising from the cesspit of lies the Leave campaign peddled. The political and financial costs are starting to become apparent to more than just the educated amongst us on this Board and there are another six weeks of job losses and negative press to come. I think Tory vote expectations have peaked and it will be downhill from here until Polling day.
    Doubt it.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,087

    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.

    Not made the front page? Disappointing.

    https://twitter.com/TimesPictures/status/857708061292711936
    Do they have the same front page UK-wide?
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:

    No problem though, we can just tell the EU to F'off, and crash out on WTO terms, right?

    https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/857705977847664642

    Oh...

    Absolutely right Scott (for once) it will be no problem, as the article is balderdash and blowing smoke up your arse.

    In short, (having read much on the subject) if we copy and paste the tariffs there can be no complaints as the complainant would have to show a harm to trade which they can't.

    Also to note though that the EU current tariff schedule if agreed at all has only been so since December 2016.

    The only issue is splitting our quotas from the rest of the EUs but then there are complaints about the EUs in any case.

    So no, WTO arrangements are not a problem.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,571
    Sean_F said:

    The rich will cough up.

    Anyone earning over £70k.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Sean_F said:

    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    The rich will cough up. £19m is small beer.
    Tories nailed on. I'd keep my money in the bank.
    Unless their buying a House of Lords seat.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    HaroldO said:

    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    Offensive in its attitude is in the SNP dna
    Something I have noticed with the SNP over the last three-four years is that they are a very strong political entity, but an awful governing one. They are good at getting power but then completely fail to wield it, they just look for more power and neglect the areas they can already control. This leaves them in a permanent state of revolution, but if this tide is turned and they begin to lose ground it would be interesting to see what happens next.
    The problem for the SNP is it quite a broad coalition from the Socialist to the Tartan Tories. What this means is that when they are a position to make decisions it is hard for them to do anything too radical without upsetting a large section of their own party supporters. Therefore what seems to be their solution at the moment is to sound left of centre but, economically at least, be more right of centre. Mainly it means don't do anything unless they have to.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,243
    edited April 2017
    So why are Labour only 1/9 to hold Brent Central when they're 1/200 in various other London shitholes ?

    Is there some thick MP factor being taken into consideration ?

    Perhaps so as Labour are only 1/25 in Tottenham.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,014
    edited April 2017

    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.

    Not made the front page? Disappointing.

    https://twitter.com/TimesPictures/status/857708061292711936
    Might make the Scottish edition.

    If Alex Massie has hyped up a poll with MOE changes, I sending him a package with lots of sugar in it.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039
    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    Fancy if Tony Blair's former constituency went Tory... ;)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,243
    Ally_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
    I wonder how this will play out on the Election as people start to see the implications arising from the cesspit of lies the Leave campaign peddled. The political and financial costs are starting to become apparent to more than just the educated amongst us on this Board and there are another six weeks of job losses and negative press to come. I think Tory vote expectations have peaked and it will be downhill from here until Polling day.
    You must be very upset about how much the stock market has risen over the last year.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    glw said:

    Scott_P said:

    glw said:

    Yes the EU is backing up May's reasoning for calling a general election.

    No they really aren't. We did this earlier. The EU doesn't care how big Tezza's majority is. It makes zero difference to the negotiations.
    It's not complicated, it means she doesn't have to worry about rebels.
    It is complicated for some it seems but it is really as simple as you say.
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited April 2017
    Scott_P said:
    Yes, but where's the ladder?

    I'll get me coat ....
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Saltire said:

    HaroldO said:

    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    Offensive in its attitude is in the SNP dna
    Something I have noticed with the SNP over the last three-four years is that they are a very strong political entity, but an awful governing one. They are good at getting power but then completely fail to wield it, they just look for more power and neglect the areas they can already control. This leaves them in a permanent state of revolution, but if this tide is turned and they begin to lose ground it would be interesting to see what happens next.
    The problem for the SNP is it quite a broad coalition from the Socialist to the Tartan Tories. What this means is that when they are a position to make decisions it is hard for them to do anything too radical without upsetting a large section of their own party supporters. Therefore what seems to be their solution at the moment is to sound left of centre but, economically at least, be more right of centre. Mainly it means don't do anything unless they have to.
    Which completely explains the last year in Holyrood. If they do lose some MP's then they are rebuffed on Brexit to an extent, this leaves Nicole having to do her actual day job whilst having Salmond blatantly undermining her in London.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    Fancy if Tony Blair's former constituency went Tory... ;)
    A lot more women making their way into seats this time, will go a long way to balancing the Tory party to where it should be.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039
    edited April 2017
    HaroldO said:

    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    Fancy if Tony Blair's former constituency went Tory... ;)
    A lot more women making their way into seats this time, will go a long way to balancing the Tory party to where it should be.

    Seems the Conservatives did actually hold Sedgefield once... Way back in 1931.

    Blair had a majority of 25,000 there in 1997!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedgefield_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,512

    The YouGov tonight is a Scottish one, not a GB wide one. It should appear on The Times website just after midnight, but I'm at the cinema, so won't be covering it.

    Not made the front page? Disappointing.

    https://twitter.com/TimesPictures/status/857708061292711936
    Might make the Scottish edition.

    If Alex Massie has hyped up a poll with MOE changes, I sending him a package with lots of sugar in it.
    Sugar has certainly killed many, many more Scots than Anthrax.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,500
    Scotland's population rises to 5,404,700. - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39730739

    This is quite staggering:

    image
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JananGanesh: Eurosceptic line is that EU ignores national democracy *and* that a national democratic mandate will compel the EU to deal fairly.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    The majority almost halved in the by-election after Blair quit, and has been gently sliding downwards since.

    Sedgefield is Conservative target number 87 at this election, with a Labour majority of 17.67% over the second place Conservatives. Ukip secured 16.6% of the popular vote at the last General Election.

    If enough of those Ukip voters stick with their party, or sit on their hands out of enduring dislike of the Tories, then the Labour candidate should be safe. If they don't then it's possible for it to fall. Electoral Calculus currently computes the chances of the two parties of taking the seat as Labour 53%, Conservative 44%, but that feels a little too kind to the Tories! It estimates the EU referendum vote in Sedgefield at 60% Leave.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,089
    OUT said:

    Sean_F said:

    I forecast this at conference, and some people said I was talking rubbish, well I fart in your face now.

    The Conservative party has embarked upon a fundraising drive among its wealthiest donors with the aim of raising £19m for the general election. The move follows concerns that the party’s income has dipped sharply since the EU referendum because pro-remain donors and friends of David Cameron are keeping their cheque books shut.

    A financier and a plumbing magnate who has been hostile to Theresa May are among the party’s former backers who have been asked this week to hand over large sums.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/27/tories-call-on-wealthy-donors-to-stump-up-19m-general-election-fund#img-1

    The rich will cough up. £19m is small beer.
    Tories nailed on. I'd keep my money in the bank.
    Unless their buying a House of Lords seat.
    Some people want the reflected glory. And some people are true believers.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    HaroldO

    Double Tosh. The SNP have been by a light year the most successful Government in these islands over the last ten years which is why they still lead in the polls after a decade in Government.

    Public services in Scotland are in infinitely better shape than south of the border and I speak as someone whose work pattern means I use both. Believe me no-one would use the national health service in England if they had the option of using it in Scotland - for a start you would have a 15 per cent chance of being seen in A@E within 4 hours.

    Lastly if you look at what Salmond said yesterday on the radio at 4 pm it is IDENTICAL to what Nicola Sturgeon said while campaigning at 9 am. Try to rise above the nonsence in the unionist media. There is and never has been a divergence between Sturgeon and Salmond on any substantial area of policy.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    HYUFD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Latest polling has around 40% of Melenchon voters abstaining in the runoff, 30% of Hamon voters and 30% of Macron voters, Macron only wins more than 50% of first round Hamon voters
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
    Using the 12 polls between polling day and today, inclusive, and margins of error for the proportions who say they will vote for Le Pen:

    10%-23% of Mélenchon voters
    0%-8% of Hamon voters
    21%-38% of Fillon voters

    ...accounting for 6%-13% of all R1 voters.

    I'd like to see Macron/Le Pen/abstain-spoilt-blank figures for those who were abstain-spoilt-blank in R1.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    HaroldO said:

    Saltire said:

    HaroldO said:

    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    Offensive in its attitude is in the SNP dna
    Something I have noticed with the SNP over the last three-four years is that they are a very strong political entity, but an awful governing one. They are good at getting power but then completely fail to wield it, they just look for more power and neglect the areas they can already control. This leaves them in a permanent state of revolution, but if this tide is turned and they begin to lose ground it would be interesting to see what happens next.
    The problem for the SNP is it quite a broad coalition from the Socialist to the Tartan Tories. What this means is that when they are a position to make decisions it is hard for them to do anything too radical without upsetting a large section of their own party supporters. Therefore what seems to be their solution at the moment is to sound left of centre but, economically at least, be more right of centre. Mainly it means don't do anything unless they have to.
    Which completely explains the last year in Holyrood. If they do lose some MP's then they are rebuffed on Brexit to an extent, this leaves Nicole having to do her actual day job whilst having Salmond blatantly undermining her in London.
    I don't think that a vote against the SNP is necessary a vote against Brexit, indeed some of the losses might be to the Libdems. A vote against the SNP is a vote against independence and or incompetence.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,752

    It's been exactly 12 months since Labour had an opinion poll lead.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:

    @JananGanesh: Eurosceptic line is that EU ignores national democracy *and* that a national democratic mandate will compel the EU to deal fairly.

    It isn't my line, mine is that Theresa May knows she has the backing of parliament and can tell them where to get off if she needs to, which may happen at times during the "negotiations".
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,089

    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    The majority almost halved in the by-election after Blair quit, and has been gently sliding downwards since.

    Sedgefield is Conservative target number 87 at this election, with a Labour majority of 17.67% over the second place Conservatives. Ukip secured 16.6% of the popular vote at the last General Election.

    If enough of those Ukip voters stick with their party, or sit on their hands out of enduring dislike of the Tories, then the Labour candidate should be safe. If they don't then it's possible for it to fall. Electoral Calculus currently computes the chances of the two parties of taking the seat as Labour 53%, Conservative 44%, but that feels a little too kind to the Tories! It estimates the EU referendum vote in Sedgefield at 60% Leave.
    The Labour lead has whittled away.

    But, Bishop Auckland is the better prospect.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Saltire said:

    HaroldO said:

    Saltire said:

    HaroldO said:

    scotslass said:

    saltire

    What tosh. I have been canvassing in both Aberdeen and the shire. The SNP vote is rock solid and they will be up 10 per cent or so across the country. This won't be uniform perhaps 15 per cent in the city and 5 per cent in Aberdeenshire.. What you are pciking up is a much more assertive Tory support which is vigorous indeed offensive in its attitude.

    It is also - thank God - a minority.

    Offensive in its attitude is in the SNP dna
    Something I have noticed with the SNP over the last three-four years is that they are a very strong political entity, but an awful governing one. They are good at getting power but then completely fail to wield it, they just look for more power and neglect the areas they can already control. This leaves them in a permanent state of revolution, but if this tide is turned and they begin to lose ground it would be interesting to see what happens next.
    The problem for the SNP is it quite a broad coalition from the Socialist to the Tartan Tories. What this means is that when they are a position to make decisions it is hard for them to do anything too radical without upsetting a large section of their own party supporters. Therefore what seems to be their solution at the moment is to sound left of centre but, economically at least, be more right of centre. Mainly it means don't do anything unless they have to.
    Which completely explains the last year in Holyrood. If they do lose some MP's then they are rebuffed on Brexit to an extent, this leaves Nicole having to do her actual day job whilst having Salmond blatantly undermining her in London.
    I don't think that a vote against the SNP is necessary a vote against Brexit, indeed some of the losses might be to the Libdems. A vote against the SNP is a vote against independence and or incompetence.
    For Brexit see Indi, apologies I clearly wasn't thinking when I typed.

    Nothing new there.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    So why are Labour only 1/9 to hold Brent Central when they're 1/200 in various other London shitholes ?

    Is there some thick MP factor being taken into consideration ?

    Perhaps so as Labour are only 1/25 in Tottenham.

    Dawn Butler is safe there. Brent north falls before it and thats not falling.
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    scotslass said:

    HaroldO

    Double Tosh. The SNP have been by a light year the most successful Government in these islands over the last ten years which is why they still lead in the polls after a decade in Government.

    Triple tosh!

    You only have to look at the lack of growth in Scotland compared to the rUK, the shortage of teachers and the falling standards in schools along with the various police Scotland fiascos to see the failings of the SNP government.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Saltire

    Except of course it is not Scottish nationalists who send white powder packages to MPs, councillors and Parliament - it is unionists.

    And guess what not a word of condemnation from unionist parties or unionist media just denial of the forces that their use of language and general attitude has stirred.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    Scott_P said:

    @JananGanesh: Eurosceptic line is that EU ignores national democracy *and* that a national democratic mandate will compel the EU to deal fairly.

    Compel? How does that work, exactly?

    Like this perhaps?

    https://youtu.be/AjPBp6DOwgU
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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    Fancy if Tony Blair's former constituency went Tory... ;)
    It WAS Tory 1983-2007
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Sean_F said:

    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    The majority almost halved in the by-election after Blair quit, and has been gently sliding downwards since.

    Sedgefield is Conservative target number 87 at this election, with a Labour majority of 17.67% over the second place Conservatives. Ukip secured 16.6% of the popular vote at the last General Election.

    If enough of those Ukip voters stick with their party, or sit on their hands out of enduring dislike of the Tories, then the Labour candidate should be safe. If they don't then it's possible for it to fall. Electoral Calculus currently computes the chances of the two parties of taking the seat as Labour 53%, Conservative 44%, but that feels a little too kind to the Tories! It estimates the EU referendum vote in Sedgefield at 60% Leave.
    The Labour lead has whittled away.

    But, Bishop Auckland is the better prospect.
    Oh absolutely. Bishop Auckland is Conservative target number 45, with a Labour majority of 8.91% and a 2015 Ukip vote of almost exactly double that size, i.e. 50% of Ukip voters defect and the entire Labour majority is erased. If things carry on as they are then it is quite likely to go: the current probabilities on Electoral Calculus for the winner of this seat are Lab 41%, Con 55%.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905


    It's been exactly 12 months since Labour had an opinion poll lead.

    And the few that they got were tiny: in terms of any poll of polls or rolling average, Labour have never been ahead at any point during this Parliament. They've also been on a pretty clear downward trajectory for the whole of the last year.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    scotslass said:

    HaroldO

    Double Tosh. The SNP have been by a light year the most successful Government in these islands over the last ten years which is why they still lead in the polls after a decade in Government.

    Public services in Scotland are in infinitely better shape than south of the border and I speak as someone whose work pattern means I use both. Believe me no-one would use the national health service in England if they had the option of using it in Scotland - for a start you would have a 15 per cent chance of being seen in A@E within 4 hours.

    Lastly if you look at what Salmond said yesterday on the radio at 4 pm it is IDENTICAL to what Nicola Sturgeon said while campaigning at 9 am. Try to rise above the nonsence in the unionist media. There is and never has been a divergence between Sturgeon and Salmond on any substantial area of policy.

    Do you believe that or are you being comically over the top?

    The education and healthcare standards are falling, the economy is not growing, the population is ageing, the police are in disarray both over their recent re-org and their new one with the BTP and Salmond and Sturgeon are literally disagreeing with each other at the same time at different ends of the country. Have some humility for fucks sake.

    Also, my work sponsored BUPA just kicked in so the NHS doesn't mean much to me any more (acts smugly then realises he will regret it one day).
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    scotslass said:

    Saltire

    Except of course it is not Scottish nationalists who send white powder packages to MPs, councillors and Parliament - it is unionists.

    And guess what not a word of condemnation from unionist parties or unionist media just denial of the forces that their use of language and general attitude has stirred.

    Wow, so you know it's a unionist then? You must have Sherlockian powers.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395


    It's been exactly 12 months since Labour had an opinion poll lead.

    It's amazing that Corbyn managed to get any poll leads at all IMO.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2017
    Quincel said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Did they really write a 14 page paper describing differential turnout?
    Shouldn't that have also been true in R1? Yet she marginally underformed her polls, if anything.
    I don't know if Cyan and HYFUD are FN sympathisers or just talking their book.

    Macron is nailed on, but the 2.82 on Betfair for him on 60-65% is great value. I tipped Macron to come top 2 weeks ago, at similar odds several times on here. It was a nice little earner.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,500
    Jo Swinson is very good on QT. It highlights how much the LDs have suffered from being hollowed out in Westminster.
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    scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Saltire

    Not really - when the package sent to Angus Council carries the motif "SNP Out - Tories In" then you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,444
    Cyan said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Latest polling has around 40% of Melenchon voters abstaining in the runoff, 30% of Hamon voters and 30% of Macron voters, Macron only wins more than 50% of first round Hamon voters
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
    Using the 12 polls between polling day and today, inclusive, and margins of error for the proportions who say they will vote for Le Pen:

    10%-23% of Mélenchon voters
    0%-8% of Hamon voters
    21%-38% of Fillon voters

    ...accounting for 6%-13% of all R1 voters.

    I'd like to see Macron/Le Pen/abstain-spoilt-blank figures for those who were abstain-spoilt-blank in R1.
    If you abstained or did not vote in round 1 you certainly won't in round 2. The key will be the number of Melenchon voters who abstain and the number of Fillon voters who vote for Le Pen
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,039
    valleyboy said:

    GIN1138 said:

    nunu said:

    Had no idea the majority is so small here:

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/857701068632993795

    Fancy if Tony Blair's former constituency went Tory... ;)
    It WAS Tory 1983-2007
    LOL! :D
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    SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    scotslass said:

    Saltire

    Except of course it is not Scottish nationalists who send white powder packages to MPs, councillors and Parliament - it is unionists.

    And guess what not a word of condemnation from unionist parties or unionist media just denial of the forces that their use of language and general attitude has stirred.

    Think you need to look at the whole picture of these incidents. More packages were sent to various police HQs along with John Nicolson's office and the Angus council buildings.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39738784

    Care to speculate and tell us why it must be unionists who attacked the police??
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    In a huge shock, the Tories are not proving popular with the Oxford audience on QT. LibDems probably on course to gain Oxford West & Abingdon.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    scotslass said:

    Double Tosh. The SNP have been by a light year the most successful Government in these islands over the last ten years which is why they still lead in the polls after a decade in Government.

    Public services in Scotland are in infinitely better shape than south of the border and I speak as someone whose work pattern means I use both.

    You do realise we have access to the news, right?

    https://twitter.com/jameskellylab/status/857715896252600321
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