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  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Pulpstar said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:
    Seats they cannot win - that's a lot of seats.... just saying.
    Bristol West, Norwich South, are the three top targets and probably have the right potential demographic mix.

    Past that Sheffield Central perhaps (Bennett is running there)

    Most of the country is impossible for them.

    They have not a hope in hell in Norwich South - and to be fair no longer have expectations of making much impact there . I know of Greens who will vote tactically for Clive Lewis to fend off any Tory challenge.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Any word on the YouGov?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    Err - take a look at their economies you muppet
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    For what its worth when I see things like this I just want to get my degree and emigrate. To be honest I don't have an awful lot of confidence in the UK's future at all, we have massive generational inequality that is only going to get worse, and stagnant wages while living costs continue to spiral ridiculously. There's no appeal for me in May's 'strong and steady' for me because all steady means is that things will continue to get worse, but at a linear rate.
    What degree are you working towards ?
    Just straight Economics.
    I hope you didn't have any illusions of being PM? Cos you are missing a couple of subjects there.
    I'm playing the long game, there'll be a backlash against posh blokes doing PPE running the country any day now...
  • It would appear that my neighbour has purchased a guitar.

    Pray for me.

    Turn up your stereo to maximum, and do your own rendition of Frank Sinatra's New York, New York.
    "These vagabond shoes, are longing to stray"
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Ishmael_Z said:

    ITMA said:

    Scott_P said:

    Any photos of her meeting voters on The Headrow?

    Thought not.

    twitter.com/theresa_may/status/857671792080674816
    Factory workers are lickspittles eh?
    Which brave new world do you inhabit...

    However you do neatly encapsulate the misbegotten bigotry pervading this site ever since the referendum and more so now that the election is up and running. It has all been been ably led by OGH who has been relentlessly trolling his own website customers about brexit.

    Its all very tiresome and tortuous to wade through. Hardly wprth making a return. Painful. Sad.
    It make you feel like this man
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAwuSK36Gw
    Factory workers are proles.
    Proles are Leave voters.
    Leave voters are bigots.
    Is that you, Roger?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    For what its worth when I see things like this I just want to get my degree and emigrate. To be honest I don't have an awful lot of confidence in the UK's future at all, we have massive generational inequality that is only going to get worse, and stagnant wages while living costs continue to spiral ridiculously. There's no appeal for me in May's 'strong and steady' for me because all steady means is that things will continue to get worse, but at a linear rate.
    What degree are you working towards ?
    Just straight Economics.
    I hope you didn't have any illusions of being PM? Cos you are missing a couple of subjects there.
    I'm playing the long game, there'll be a backlash against posh blokes doing PPE running the country any day now...
    That'll have to wait until after the incoming Torypocalypse, and a period of stabilizing 'people's rule' by a series of executive political committees that will follow for about 70 years.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    The good doctor is upset that he can no longer hire melting Mediterranean beauties at bottom dollar to gratefully empty his bed pans.
    It is a shame, they are excellent nurses, but you are right about the Exodus.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/18/nhs-eu-nurses-quit-record-numbers

    I think it wrong to blame Brexit for the nursing crisis, the devaluation of Sterling and return to growth of the Eurozone does make returning to Iberia attractive, particularly for the Spanish.

    We do seem to have recruited some excellent Somali nurses though.
    Why do you so want to plunder other countries health systems?

    Don't worry, they mostly came here as children via family visas, and trained as nurses locally. Somalis have big families. Now that bursaries are gone, fees for nursing degrees imposed and family allowances restricted I cannot see this as a long term source of staff.

    I really wouldn't want to be in the position of needing health or social care in a few years.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    Err - take a look at their economies you muppet
    http://www.johnmajor.co.uk/page4352.html

    And for businesses inflation is the same unpleasant brew. It destroys competitiveness, damages industrial relations, undermines investment, and savages profits.

    So inflation must go. Ending it cannot be painless. The harsh truth is that if the policy isn’t hurting, it isn’t working.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    kle4 said:

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    For what its worth when I see things like this I just want to get my degree and emigrate. To be honest I don't have an awful lot of confidence in the UK's future at all, we have massive generational inequality that is only going to get worse, and stagnant wages while living costs continue to spiral ridiculously. There's no appeal for me in May's 'strong and steady' for me because all steady means is that things will continue to get worse, but at a linear rate.
    What degree are you working towards ?
    Just straight Economics.
    I hope you didn't have any illusions of being PM? Cos you are missing a couple of subjects there.
    I'm playing the long game, there'll be a backlash against posh blokes doing PPE running the country any day now...
    That'll have to wait until after the incoming Torypocalypse, and a period of stabilizing 'people's rule' by a series of executive political committees that will follow for about 70 years.
    The regional governors will assume direct control.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    RobD said:

    Any word on the YouGov?

    No sign of Scotland YG
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    Serious question - Is there a way to see where all the #imvotinglabour tweets are coming from ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    RobD said:

    Any word on the YouGov?

    Todays or Yesterdays?

    Theres definitely word on one of them I forget which
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Pulpstar said:

    Serious question - Is there a way to see where all the #imvotinglabour tweets are coming from ?

    Nope, but something tells me that they're not coming from the midlands.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    A female Iranian football has been kicked out of the national team for playing without a hijab while on a personal trip to Switzerland.

    Shiva Amini was on holiday when she took part in a kick-about with a group of men and officials from the Iranian Futsal Federation waded through her social media accounts to find a picture of her playing in a pair of shorts and without a headscarf.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4452544/Iran-bans-female-footballer-ditching-hijab-holiday.html

    So jezza about that money you took from the Iranians...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    The regional governors will assume direct control.

    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.

    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Chameleon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Serious question - Is there a way to see where all the #imvotinglabour tweets are coming from ?

    Nope, but something tells me that they're not coming from the midlands.
    Loads coming from Chesterfield TBF
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    A contender for LOL article of the election:

    ' Shipley, in Bradford, West Yorkshire, has been home to feminist marches, discussion groups and bake sales organised by the informal non-partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots (SFZ) – so called after Davies remarked that “feminist zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it”.

    After the snap election was called for 8 June, many voters in Shipley felt mobilised by the opportunity to unseat a man they loathe. After all, Davies won 50% of the vote in 2015, with the Labour candidate coming in second at 31% – a significant gap, but one that feasibly could be closed.

    But a spanner was chucked into the works from outside the constituency this week when the Women’s Equality party (WEP) revealed it was fielding a candidate in Shipley to challenge Davies’s seat. The announcement, which on the surface sounds like positive news, came as a surprise to SFZ organisers and provoked anger and frustration from many members of the group, who accused the WEP of hijacking Shipley to make headlines with complete disregard for what its people want. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/feminist-zealots-mp-philip-davies-shipley
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    RobD said:

    Any word on the YouGov?

    No. We had some fleeting foreplay from Alex Massie, who then disappeared.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    Pulpstar said:

    Serious question - Is there a way to see where all the #imvotinglabour tweets are coming from ?

    Why are you checking up on Mrs Pulpstar?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652

    A contender for LOL article of the election:

    ' Shipley, in Bradford, West Yorkshire, has been home to feminist marches, discussion groups and bake sales organised by the informal non-partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots (SFZ) – so called after Davies remarked that “feminist zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it”.

    After the snap election was called for 8 June, many voters in Shipley felt mobilised by the opportunity to unseat a man they loathe. After all, Davies won 50% of the vote in 2015, with the Labour candidate coming in second at 31% – a significant gap, but one that feasibly could be closed.

    But a spanner was chucked into the works from outside the constituency this week when the Women’s Equality party (WEP) revealed it was fielding a candidate in Shipley to challenge Davies’s seat. The announcement, which on the surface sounds like positive news, came as a surprise to SFZ organisers and provoked anger and frustration from many members of the group, who accused the WEP of hijacking Shipley to make headlines with complete disregard for what its people want. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/feminist-zealots-mp-philip-davies-shipley

    I don't like Philip Davies personally but Shipley seems to !
    Massively safe.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    OTOH, Germany had falling real wages throughout the noughties.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    The regional governors will assume direct control.

    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.

    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    Rush fan?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    Any word on the YouGov?

    Didn't TSE say YouGov were only polling twice a week this time - once midweek in the Times and once for the Sunday Times? So next would be Saturday evening?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    The regional governors will assume direct control.

    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.

    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    May issuing Order 50, May calling an election to ensure a "safe and secure society".... :o
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Rush fan?

    Might be...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited April 2017
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/857693661924077570

    These days the FT front page is about as predictable as the daily express! Actually scrap that the express has Diana AND the weather.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    A harsh dose of unemployment and collapsing living standards was just what they needed?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Scott_P said:

    RobD said:

    The regional governors will assume direct control.

    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.
    Attention, all planets of the solar federation.

    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    We have assumed control.
    All your constituency are belong to us.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    A contender for LOL article of the election:

    ' Shipley, in Bradford, West Yorkshire, has been home to feminist marches, discussion groups and bake sales organised by the informal non-partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots (SFZ) – so called after Davies remarked that “feminist zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it”.

    After the snap election was called for 8 June, many voters in Shipley felt mobilised by the opportunity to unseat a man they loathe. After all, Davies won 50% of the vote in 2015, with the Labour candidate coming in second at 31% – a significant gap, but one that feasibly could be closed.

    But a spanner was chucked into the works from outside the constituency this week when the Women’s Equality party (WEP) revealed it was fielding a candidate in Shipley to challenge Davies’s seat. The announcement, which on the surface sounds like positive news, came as a surprise to SFZ organisers and provoked anger and frustration from many members of the group, who accused the WEP of hijacking Shipley to make headlines with complete disregard for what its people want. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/feminist-zealots-mp-philip-davies-shipley

    Heart of stone...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147

    A contender for LOL article of the election:

    ' Shipley, in Bradford, West Yorkshire, has been home to feminist marches, discussion groups and bake sales organised by the informal non-partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots (SFZ) – so called after Davies remarked that “feminist zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it”.

    After the snap election was called for 8 June, many voters in Shipley felt mobilised by the opportunity to unseat a man they loathe. After all, Davies won 50% of the vote in 2015, with the Labour candidate coming in second at 31% – a significant gap, but one that feasibly could be closed.

    But a spanner was chucked into the works from outside the constituency this week when the Women’s Equality party (WEP) revealed it was fielding a candidate in Shipley to challenge Davies’s seat. The announcement, which on the surface sounds like positive news, came as a surprise to SFZ organisers and provoked anger and frustration from many members of the group, who accused the WEP of hijacking Shipley to make headlines with complete disregard for what its people want. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/feminist-zealots-mp-philip-davies-shipley

    More splits. Delicious. :D
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Floater said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    Err - take a look at their economies you muppet
    http://www.johnmajor.co.uk/page4352.html

    And for businesses inflation is the same unpleasant brew. It destroys competitiveness, damages industrial relations, undermines investment, and savages profits.

    So inflation must go. Ending it cannot be painless. The harsh truth is that if the policy isn’t hurting, it isn’t working.
    Said in 1989 when inflation was about 7%, down from double digits throughout much of the 70s.

    Greece has had deflation for most of this decade and hasn't had inflation over 5% apart from in just one year since long before they joined the Euro.

    Greece doesn't have a problem with inflation, it has a problem with deflation.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730

    A contender for LOL article of the election:

    ' Shipley, in Bradford, West Yorkshire, has been home to feminist marches, discussion groups and bake sales organised by the informal non-partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots (SFZ) – so called after Davies remarked that “feminist zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it”.

    After the snap election was called for 8 June, many voters in Shipley felt mobilised by the opportunity to unseat a man they loathe. After all, Davies won 50% of the vote in 2015, with the Labour candidate coming in second at 31% – a significant gap, but one that feasibly could be closed.

    But a spanner was chucked into the works from outside the constituency this week when the Women’s Equality party (WEP) revealed it was fielding a candidate in Shipley to challenge Davies’s seat. The announcement, which on the surface sounds like positive news, came as a surprise to SFZ organisers and provoked anger and frustration from many members of the group, who accused the WEP of hijacking Shipley to make headlines with complete disregard for what its people want. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/feminist-zealots-mp-philip-davies-shipley

    I doubt if the WEP will trouble the scoters.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    A harsh dose of unemployment and collapsing living standards was just what they needed?
    Tories argue that Maggie squeezing out inflation at the cost of mass unemployment is what fixed Britain. I am not so convinced.

    Serial devaluation is not a sign of a healthy economy though.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Filled out a long Yougov survey tonight
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited April 2017
    The number of people on here who regularly get polled, shouldn't that be of slight concern? None of us are exactly normal random members of the public ie ones with a passing interest in political goings on.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658
    Chameleon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Serious question - Is there a way to see where all the #imvotinglabour tweets are coming from ?

    Nope, but something tells me that they're not coming from the midlands.
    Islington?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited April 2017

    Sean_F said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    What do you expect after a 156 BIILLION deficit ????

    There is no magic money tree. Geddit???
    Just that we have lost a lot of ground in terms of real wages against our G7 peers.

    I was a little surprised that our real wages have done worse than Italy.

    Though I see things are looking up in France according to Bloomberg.

    Euro Is Suddenly Everyone’s Favorite After First Round of French Election https://bloom.bg/2oNsleh
    No wonder the people voted for Brexit. Looks like they were getting a raw deal. Things should look up from now on.
    In a couple of decades we may catch up with Italy.
    Employment has grown hugely in the past seven years, but wages haven't. I'd suggest our labour Market sucks in workers from all over the EU, which depresses wage rates. The Economist ran an article a week ago, showing that the areas of highest immigration had seen the sharpest falls in real wages.
    Worth remembering too that wages only measure the income of those who have a job, it doesn't take into account those who are left unemployed.

    Italy 2009 unemployment rate 7%; it's now 12%

    UK 2009 unemployment rate 6.7%; it's now 4.8%

    We've not just found jobs for our own citizens deflating our average wages, our real wages have been deflated by taking on continents poor too. Any comparison is absurd.
    If you are a British worker on stagnant or falling wages in Britain then that is little compensation.

    When our spending bubble pops, are things going to get better?
    It may not feel like it is compensation but you're wrong - if you're a British worker on stagnant wages that's much better than being an Italian unemployed non-worker without wages.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's part of the Good Friday Agreement, isn't it?

    As such, a non story.
  • ITMAITMA Posts: 9

    isam said:

    twitter.com/sporf/status/857686414103900162

    More intriguingly is what is a saff London lad doing being interested in such a northern sport?
    North Canada?

    Upset on the cards at Leeds - plus more excitement than at East Manchester. He is probably enjoying himself.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Anyone who understands how she is trying to pile up a majority?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It's a damn sight more overly hostile from the EU than Tusk's opening remarks on the process.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925

    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    A harsh dose of unemployment and collapsing living standards was just what they needed?
    Tories argue that Maggie squeezing out inflation at the cost of mass unemployment is what fixed Britain. I am not so convinced.

    Serial devaluation is not a sign of a healthy economy though.
    Its a sign of a country living beyond its means - something which governments of all parties have encouraged to get votes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
    According to recent referendums, it's the EU which is falling apart while the UK has been endorsed by the sovereign will of the Scottish people.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It is almost as if the other EU countries are acting in Union to protect common interests, and protect their members.

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    A harsh dose of unemployment and collapsing living standards was just what they needed?
    Tories argue that Maggie squeezing out inflation at the cost of mass unemployment is what fixed Britain. I am not so convinced.

    Serial devaluation is not a sign of a healthy economy though.
    Tories argue it is part of what fixed Britain, not the only part.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730

    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    A harsh dose of unemployment and collapsing living standards was just what they needed?
    Tories argue that Maggie squeezing out inflation at the cost of mass unemployment is what fixed Britain. I am not so convinced.

    Serial devaluation is not a sign of a healthy economy though.
    There's the thing. Living standards rocketed from 1979-97, even as Sterling went up and down.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It's a damn sight more overly hostile from the EU than Tusk's opening remarks on the process.
    Boris going to declare WW3 without Parliamentary approval ? Mugwump !!!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
    Why do you continually ignore that there are nations in Europe that are not part of the EU? Clearly it is possible to survive and thrive outside the EU, if you want to make a case that we are unable to do that, maybe you could try that, rather than acting like not being in the EU is in itself impossible.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Pulpstar said:

    A contender for LOL article of the election:

    ' Shipley, in Bradford, West Yorkshire, has been home to feminist marches, discussion groups and bake sales organised by the informal non-partisan Shipley Feminist Zealots (SFZ) – so called after Davies remarked that “feminist zealots really do want to have their cake and eat it”.

    After the snap election was called for 8 June, many voters in Shipley felt mobilised by the opportunity to unseat a man they loathe. After all, Davies won 50% of the vote in 2015, with the Labour candidate coming in second at 31% – a significant gap, but one that feasibly could be closed.

    But a spanner was chucked into the works from outside the constituency this week when the Women’s Equality party (WEP) revealed it was fielding a candidate in Shipley to challenge Davies’s seat. The announcement, which on the surface sounds like positive news, came as a surprise to SFZ organisers and provoked anger and frustration from many members of the group, who accused the WEP of hijacking Shipley to make headlines with complete disregard for what its people want. '

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/27/feminist-zealots-mp-philip-davies-shipley

    I don't like Philip Davies personally but Shipley seems to !
    Massively safe.
    Its likely to be 60% Conservative this year - which is a lot more than it was in the 1980s.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Sean_F said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    What do you expect after a 156 BIILLION deficit ????

    There is no magic money tree. Geddit???
    Just that we have lost a lot of ground in terms of real wages against our G7 peers.

    I was a little surprised that our real wages have done worse than Italy.

    Though I see things are looking up in France according to Bloomberg.

    Euro Is Suddenly Everyone’s Favorite After First Round of French Election https://bloom.bg/2oNsleh
    No wonder the people voted for Brexit. Looks like they were getting a raw deal. Things should look up from now on.
    In a couple of decades we may catch up with Italy.
    Employment has grown hugely in the past seven years, but wages haven't. I'd suggest our labour Market sucks in workers from all over the EU, which depresses wage rates. The Economist ran an article a week ago, showing that the areas of highest immigration had seen the sharpest falls in real wages.
    Worth remembering too that wages only measure the income of those who have a job, it doesn't take into account those who are left unemployed.

    Italy 2009 unemployment rate 7%; it's now 12%

    UK 2009 unemployment rate 6.7%; it's now 4.8%

    We've not just found jobs for our own citizens deflating our average wages, our real wages have been deflated by taking on continents poor too. Any comparison is absurd.
    If you are a British worker on stagnant or falling wages in Britain then that is little compensation.

    When our spending bubble pops, are things going to get better?
    It may not feel like it is compensation but you're wrong - if you're a British worker on stagnant wages that's much better than being an Italian unemployed non-worker without wages.
    Actually, the Italian will be working in the black economy as well. A touch of fraud's ok.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,039

    Sean_F said:

    Floater said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    Yes, the euro and the EU work very well for Germany.
    Shame about what German policy did to Southern Europe though eh
    Gave them sound money and the chance to break the cycle of inflation and devaluation?
    A harsh dose of unemployment and collapsing living standards was just what they needed?
    Tories argue that Maggie squeezing out inflation at the cost of mass unemployment is what fixed Britain. I am not so convinced.

    Serial devaluation is not a sign of a healthy economy though.
    Something she did fixed Britain.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    edited April 2017

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It is almost as if the other EU countries are acting in Union to protect common interests, and protect their members.

    I thought they told us a bad relationship with us was not in their interests just as it is not in ours, and yet they have been talking of punishing us, which shows very clearly they want to do more than protect their common interests, they want to harm us. One is reasonable, the other is not, from an organisation whose defenders claim it is the most cultured, enlightened organization on earth, which should include how it treats its rivals, and even its enemies, We are not the latter, we are at most the former, and yet their rhetoric has been beyond that we cannot be seen to benefit from Brexit, it has extended, again, to punishing us.

    I've been supportive of every level of scrutiny to be applied to May over the exiting process, but as much as she was and is going to act like the big bad EU is out to get us, no matter what they did, they are clearly very happy to play their part in that little dance, they are posturing for their audience more than seeking a mutually beneficial deal.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255
    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Oh, it's not a surprise to me. Or a concern.

    Britain has been alone against a hostile Europe many times before in its history.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It's a damn sight more overly hostile from the EU than Tusk's opening remarks on the process.
    Boris going to declare WW3 without Parliamentary approval ? Mugwump !!!
    Perhaps this could be one of the examples of where May the Strong would launch a preemptive nuclear strike on one of the weak EU states.

    That will show them
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Did they really write a 14 page paper describing differential turnout?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair Wirral South Lab 7/1

    They only let me have £7.10.

    Hah. Only £3.18 for me, but that price is just silly.
    They've let me have £20 quite happily
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
    Speak for yourself. My loyalty is to the United Kingdom.

    As is the case for the vast majority of people who live here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It's a damn sight more overly hostile from the EU than Tusk's opening remarks on the process.
    Boris going to declare WW3 without Parliamentary approval ? Mugwump !!!
    Perhaps this could be one of the examples of where May the Strong would launch a preemptive nuclear strike on one of the weak EU states.

    That will show them
    On one of the weak states? Brussels, perhaps? :D
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
    The EU has always been clear and consistent that it will act as one, and that Brexit means Brexit. The EU27 seem to be more keen on hard Brexit than anyone in Britain.

    Dave Allen Green of the Jack of Kent blog has just done a very neat precis of their published comments. Worth a read:

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857658175893499904

    I think that wanting a big majority is all about surviving the fact that negotiations are going to be very short indeed.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Did they really write a 14 page paper describing differential turnout?
    Yes. And even worse, he doesn't say what he thinks are fair odds!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Here's a potential VERY longshot.

    North Down Con 500/1

    Its a very affluent constituency where May might be popular and which the Conservatives nearly won in 1992.

    I wonder if May might campaign there with her emphasis on the United Kingdom.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betfair Wirral South Lab 7/1

    They only let me have £7.10.

    Hah. Only £3.18 for me, but that price is just silly.
    They've let me have £20 quite happily
    Bookies seem remarkably reticent to limit me.
  • tim80tim80 Posts: 99

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It is almost as if the other EU countries are acting in Union to protect common interests, and protect their members.

    The vote for leave was not made on the basis that the EU would collapse if the UK left. It was made on the basis that the UK would be in control of its borders, money and laws if it left, and so be freer and more prosperous. That is the case regardless of what the EU does or doesn't do, what new crises it encounters or dodges, whether extremists in its midst get 40% of the vote or 50% and whether the euro collapses or hobbles on.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652
    St Ives Tories 7-5 is wrong.

    Torbay 1-4 Tories, 9-2 Lib Dem is far more correct.

    St Ives should be more like 1-3, 5-2 Lib Dems.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
    Speak for yourself. My loyalty is to the United Kingdom.

    As is the case for the vast majority of people who live here.
    Even the British state does not believe in the United Kingdom (defined as the union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,761
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It's a damn sight more overly hostile from the EU than Tusk's opening remarks on the process.
    Boris going to declare WW3 without Parliamentary approval ? Mugwump !!!
    Perhaps this could be one of the examples of where May the Strong would launch a preemptive nuclear strike on one of the weak EU states.

    That will show them
    On one of the weak states? Brussels, perhaps? :D
    Mushroom for Brussels
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    It's a damn sight more overly hostile from the EU than Tusk's opening remarks on the process.
    Boris going to declare WW3 without Parliamentary approval ? Mugwump !!!
    Perhaps this could be one of the examples of where May the Strong would launch a preemptive nuclear strike on one of the weak EU states.

    That will show them
    On one of the weak states? Brussels, perhaps? :D
    Or send an aircraft carrier without planes to blockade Hamburg .
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Did they really write a 14 page paper describing differential turnout?
    Yes. And even worse, he doesn't say what he thinks are fair odds!
    Here is an abridged version.

    If a and b are the turnouts for two candidates and X and Y are the fraction of the electorate who would vote for either candidates, and aX < bY, b wins. :p
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
    The EU has always been clear and consistent that it will act as one, and that Brexit means Brexit. The EU27 seem to be more keen on hard Brexit than anyone in Britain.
    There's an irony there. We perceived the EU as something done to us, when in fact we had enormous influence, and we perceive Brexit as something we've done to Europe, when in fact it's a process over which we have precious little control.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,730

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
    Speak for yourself. My loyalty is to the United Kingdom.

    As is the case for the vast majority of people who live here.
    Even the British state does not believe in the United Kingdom (defined as the union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).
    It does. The Government would not have maintained 20,000 soldiers in Northern Ireland for nothing.

    You dream of the destruction and humiliation of your own country. But that's all it will ever be. A dream.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Cyan said:

    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Did they really write a 14 page paper describing differential turnout?
    Yes. And even worse, he doesn't say what he thinks are fair odds!
    Marine will get somewhere around 35% to 41% according to the polls that were really quite accurate for the first round. Indeed I think 10 days out they underestimated Macron, and overestimated LePen.

    I think the BF 35-40 band is good value at 2.8, and the 30-35% at 8.4.

    She is doomed.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736

    RobD said:

    Any word on the YouGov?

    Didn't TSE say YouGov were only polling twice a week this time - once midweek in the Times and once for the Sunday Times? So next would be Saturday evening?
    Yes, that's right.

    But the suggestion was that there was a Scotland only YouGov tonight.
  • Sir_GeoffSir_Geoff Posts: 41

    Chameleon said:

    FPT:

    Interesting graph of real wages here. I suspect the uptick of inflation pushes the UK graph line down again.

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/857504408334217216

    Even if you accept the airbrushing of the Lib Dems from history, the zero point is the wrong year.
    Not a very impressive performance from any point though is it.

    Currently UK real wages are falling again.
    The UK has had very low unemployment, and a large number of people moving from benefits into low paid and self-employed work. These will drag down the averages. As will continued public sector pay restraint as we pay down the deficit. As will the depreciation in Sterling.

    Most people in full-time work in the private sector would have experienced real-terms wage growth.
    It is true that in the NHS and other parts of the public sector that we have had falling real wages for over a decade.

    Germany has had rising real wages and rising employment too, against a backdrop of inward migration. Perhaps we should take note how a "Strong and stable leader" manages a country.

    France seems definitely on the mend now, but I pity poor Greece scraping the bottom with us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/27/uk-joins-greece-at-bottom-of-wage-growth-league-tuc-oecd
    For what its worth when I see things like this I just want to get my degree and emigrate. To be honest I don't have an awful lot of confidence in the UK's future at all, we have massive generational inequality that is only going to get worse, and stagnant wages while living costs continue to spiral ridiculously. There's no appeal for me in May's 'strong and steady' for me because all steady means is that things will continue to get worse, but at a linear rate.
    This won't make you feel better:

    https://twitter.com/actuarybyday/status/857486541496737792
    If the actuaries are retiring people early, no wonder the returns are having to be spread more thinly; the £1.18 back for every pound is for those born 1956-61, who aren't 65 yet.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    RobD said:

    Cyan said:

    Nerd heaven: "Marine Le Pen can breach her glass ceiling: the drastic effect of differentiated abstention" by Serge Galam.

    Summary: considerably more anti-Le Pen people than Le Pen supporters might abstain, giving Le Pen a good chance of winning. Galam predicted Trump's victory. They say he invented sociophysics. He got his PhD in Tel Aviv and works at Sciences Po. "The Trump phenomenon".

    Did they really write a 14 page paper describing differential turnout?
    Shouldn't that have also been true in R1? Yet she marginally underformed her polls, if anything.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Southport LibDem 5/4 looks like value.
  • kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
    The EU has always been clear and consistent that it will act as one, and that Brexit means Brexit. The EU27 seem to be more keen on hard Brexit than anyone in Britain.

    Dave Allen Green of the Jack of Kent blog has just done a very neat precis of their published comments. Worth a read:

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857658175893499904

    I think that wanting a big majority is all about surviving the fact that negotiations are going to be very short indeed.
    The Country will revolt in fury against the EU if the reports on Northern Ireland are true. Interfering in another state is very dangerous indeed
  • ydoethur said:

    Good luck Harry. Which ward are you standing in? From a former Aberystwyth Central voter.

    Llansantffraed (the area around Llanon, Aberarth, Nebo, Pennant and Cross Inn) as it's the ward I actually live in.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:
    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.
    It's becoming apparent that there's only room for one union, and the UK has volunteered itself to be sent to the wrecking yard.
    Speak for yourself. My loyalty is to the United Kingdom.

    As is the case for the vast majority of people who live here.
    Even the British state does not believe in the United Kingdom (defined as the union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).
    It does. The Government would not have maintained 20,000 soldiers in Northern Ireland for nothing.

    You dream of the destruction and humiliation of your own country. But that's all it will ever be. A dream.
    As far as I can judge he is completely and utterly deranged - and I voted remain!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448

    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
    The EU has always been clear and consistent that it will act as one, and that Brexit means Brexit. The EU27 seem to be more keen on hard Brexit than anyone in Britain.

    Dave Allen Green of the Jack of Kent blog has just done a very neat precis of their published comments. Worth a read:

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857658175893499904

    I think that wanting a big majority is all about surviving the fact that negotiations are going to be very short indeed.
    The Country will revolt in fury against the EU if the reports on Northern Ireland are true. Interfering in another state is very dangerous indeed
    Yep, if the EU are going to start interfering in the internal arrangements of the UK things will get very dangerous very quickly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Here's the FT article on a united Ireland. No substance really.

    https://www.ft.com/content/f4c720b0-2b63-11e7-bc4b-5528796fe35c
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652

    Southport LibDem 5/4 looks like value.

    I'm on both the Tories and Lib Dems at 5-4 against there now. Which is as clear an indication of value as you'll ever see.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/independent/status/857647493823311876

    @GramSkin: 27 countries, almost all with different language and culture, more united than our 4 #StrongAndStable twitter.com/Independent/st…
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569

    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
    The EU has always been clear and consistent that it will act as one, and that Brexit means Brexit. The EU27 seem to be more keen on hard Brexit than anyone in Britain.

    Dave Allen Green of the Jack of Kent blog has just done a very neat precis of their published comments. Worth a read:

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857658175893499904

    I think that wanting a big majority is all about surviving the fact that negotiations are going to be very short indeed.
    The Country will revolt in fury against the EU if the reports on Northern Ireland are true. Interfering in another state is very dangerous indeed
    Don't Panic! Don't Panic!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,652

    ydoethur said:

    Good luck Harry. Which ward are you standing in? From a former Aberystwyth Central voter.

    Llansantffraed (the area around Llanon, Aberarth, Nebo, Pennant and Cross Inn) as it's the ward I actually live in.

    Best of luck !

    Are National Health Action standing in Ceredigion in the General ?
  • OUT said:

    kle4 said:

    murali_s said:

    Scott_P said:

    If that's true, then the EU will be acting as a hostile state.

    @PolhomeEditor: Theresa May says other EU countries are "lining up against us". Who saw that coming?
    Hard Brexit here we come. Tory idiots!!
    The EU has been pushing for a Hard Brexit as much as anyone, if not more than the Tories - the Tories have more dissenting voices on the matter.
    The EU has always been clear and consistent that it will act as one, and that Brexit means Brexit. The EU27 seem to be more keen on hard Brexit than anyone in Britain.

    Dave Allen Green of the Jack of Kent blog has just done a very neat precis of their published comments. Worth a read:

    https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/857658175893499904

    I think that wanting a big majority is all about surviving the fact that negotiations are going to be very short indeed.
    The Country will revolt in fury against the EU if the reports on Northern Ireland are true. Interfering in another state is very dangerous indeed
    Don't Panic! Don't Panic!
    I am not but some in Northern Ireland will be very angry indeed
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Alistair said:

    Unless I've misread the analysis SNP +3% for the Council elections seems rather low to me does it not?

    I think that the SNP vote will increase by more than that in West of Scotland and in some areas I can see them increasing by 10%+ but, and I know that this is based from 2012 votes, in some areas they will flat line or indeed fall back slightly. I would guess 3% is a bit low but not by much.
    I have spent a fair bit of time canvassing in different parts of P&K over the last 3 months and there is a lot of anti-SNP feeling about with a number of SNP supporters who are much less enthused than before or indeed switching to other parties. It would be a bit of a surprise to see them holding onto the council as the minority party (20/41 at the moment)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,255

    Here's a potential VERY longshot.

    North Down Con 500/1

    Its a very affluent constituency where May might be popular and which the Conservatives nearly won in 1992.

    I wonder if May might campaign there with her emphasis on the United Kingdom.

    They let me have £1.25.

    I've been restricted ;-(
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited April 2017
    Matt...

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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    George Mitchell weighs in:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/george-mitchell-warns-against-harmful-hard-border-1.3064072

    He said believed the British vote to leave the EU will “prove historically to be a huge error”.

    “I hope the US government will support and work with the Irish Government and leaders of the EU to achieve an outcome that respects the gains made in recent years,”
  • Pulpstar said:

    Betfair Wirral South Lab 7/1

    They only let me have £7.10.

    Hah. Only £3.18 for me, but that price is just silly.
    Baxter has this constituency as being on a knife edge - it certainly looks terrific value at 7/1.
    DYOR
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