The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
This can't go on, there must be secret meetings going on with Labour MPs discussing how to have new leadership for the duration of the election campaign to avoid extinction.
At the least, if this keeps up, more of them are going to break and openly condemn him.
Shoddy journalism. Essentially lists some universities where Conservative groups have gone up and represents it as representative of universities in general. Also doesn't provide links as to where they've got these increases from, either.
Can well believe Labour societies are losing members but the link only lists two instances in that link.
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
You're so lucky - when I were a lad We had to wait 5 years between GEs. Aye, they were dark times.
You're not from Yorkshire are you, eating coal for breakfast?
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
You're so lucky - when I were a lad We had to wait 5 years between GEs. Aye, they were dark times.
You're not from Yorkshire are you, eating coal for breakfast?
Pol betting novice here, long time reader first time commenter. Is the 20/1 still available and how do you find it? I always see odds mentioned on here but never know where to go to get them. Thanks for any tips.
Could we see 500 Conservative seats? It sounds ridiculous. But with the SNP on 50%, and the opposition fragmented, they got all but three seats in Scotland.
The UK vote share could look awfully like Scottish one. Could it have a similar outcome?
Would be interesting if it ended like that because if there was a split in what's left of the Labour Party to the Lib-Dems we could actually see the Liberals as the main Opposition Party for the first time since maybe 1905?
Is the upshot of all the uphevals of the past few years going to be a reversion, essentially, to where we was in the 19th century - Tory/Liberal?
The Liberal Democrats didn't exist in 1905. Not until eighty three years later.
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
He forgets his "back story" sometimes.
You know, it's a honour to have my authencity questioned by alt-righters.
They are the last people on earth to have a real understanding of reality.
You get the odd 20-year old in sixth form, if there have been health issues or course transfers or resits. So perhaps there will be a non-zero number of high school students voting in their second GE!
(This is not a barb at the lovely Miss A, I simply find the scenario of a high school student with multiple GE and Referendum votes to their name already rather amusing, bearing in mind other folk only got their very first shot at 22/23, depending on political timings!)
Sturgeon playing politics with calls for a 2nd Sindy ref has rightly bitten her on the backside.
Canvassers report Nicola Sturgeon being referred to as "that woman" on the doorstep
Used to be reserved for Maggie Thatcher
Sturgeon – less popular than the poll tax
This was happening in 2015 for me. After immigration/Europe the problem of The SNP in general and Sturge in particular was the most frequently mentioned national issue.
Pol betting novice here, long time reader first time commenter. Is the 20/1 still available and how do you find it? I always see odds mentioned on here but never know where to go to get them. Thanks for any tips.
It's gone now. TSE and I both spotted it independently and posted on it.
Such is the power of PB that everyone piled on and now it's down to 6-1
Quite simply, on here if you snooze ... you lose. It's all about timing. We spot value on here and post about it. If we've got any sense we put a couple of guineas on ourselves before posting because true value is snapped up by the (few but very clued) gamblers on here.
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
You're so lucky - when I were a lad We had to wait 5 years between GEs. Aye, they were dark times.
Tbf, this will probably be the last time for a long time that a snap GE is called. Post New Labour it's been a highly unpredictable period politics where referendums have become the new normal!
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
Best news of the election so far that he's going to do a 10th results show. The last time he didn't present in the studio he was standing outside 10 Downing Street all night long in the freezing cold in 1974. Before that, in 1970, he was shadowing Edward Heath in Bexley.
Pol betting novice here, long time reader first time commenter. Is the 20/1 still available and how do you find it? I always see odds mentioned on here but never know where to go to get them. Thanks for any tips.
It's 6/1 now, which is probably still a value bet. This is the page:
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
He forgets his "back story" sometimes.
You know, it's a honour to have my authencity questioned by alt-righters.
They are the last people on earth to have a real understanding of reality.
I think that "questioned" involves actually caring.
Not believing is more neutral and therefore closer.
Le Pen 26% Fillon 22% Macron 21% Mélenchon 17% Hamon 7%
The Tribune de Genève in Switzerland will also be publishing one, or already has.
It's apparently polling from 'one of the candidate's teams'. Who would benefit from a poll like this?
Presumably Macron.
Le Pen looks a bit too high, however given we know Fillon's base will likely turn out while Macron's is untested there is reason to believe the order is not implausible.
Admittedly I have not been following the French elections as much as many on hear. so correct me if I am worn would a Fillon Vs Le Pen run off put be an Anglo-Phile Vs a Euro-Phobe, so ether way we could get a better deal than expected a few months ago.
I was watching French telly and it appears some LR deputies, not just Fillon, seem quite pragmatic about the Brexit talks and dismissing the "tough" line from the EU/Merkel. It would likely mean there would be some internal EU squabbles over the negotiations though.
Fillon is pro EU if a shade more Eurosceptic than Macron and has said he wants to attract business from London back to Paris so do not expect any great favours from him, Le Pen is still the only candidate who really backed Brexit
Of course, I think the big difference re:Macron is the LR aren't as fussed about what is in it for the EU and do not want to see France's interests harmed because of EU intransigence.
I met Macron last year, and he sees the EU as an institution that helps further France's interests. Brexit, to him, is an opportunity for France to grab business from the UK. I think French politicians are - by and large - more nationalistic and opportunistic than we tend to think.
I'm not sure that I know anyone who doesn't believe that French politicians are totally driven by nationalism and opportunism; would that ours were more like theirs.
You get the odd 20-year old in sixth form, if there have been health issues or course transfers or resits. So perhaps there will be a non-zero number of high school students voting in their second GE!
(This is not a barb at the lovely Miss A, I simply find the scenario of a high school student with multiple GE and Referendum votes to their name already rather amusing, bearing in mind other folk only got their very first shot at 22/23, depending on political timings!)
(And more to the point, may not have got second dibs until they were almost 30!)
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
He forgets his "back story" sometimes.
You know, it's a honour to have my authencity questioned by alt-righters.
They are the last people on earth to have a real understanding of reality.
I think that "questioned" involves actually caring.
Not believing is more neutral and therefore closer.
Goodnight.
Ah, that defense - really?
Given that you've intervened several times to give your opinion of 'not believing' I'd say you do care.
Goodnight, have 4chan and Reddit inspired dreams....
This can't go on, there must be secret meetings going on with Labour MPs discussing how to have new leadership for the duration of the election campaign to avoid extinction.
At the least, if this keeps up, more of them are going to break and openly condemn him.
which will presumably only make things worse for them
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
2072 and 2074 were interviewed. Is there something significant about 2000 and seventy something?
Year of Next Labour PM.
I think that we may be approaching 'never again' being the answer to that question.
Ah you youngsters. I remember back in the olden days* when many people had written the Tory Party off permanently. Even some Tories could hardly believe the revivification when it finally happened.
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
You're so lucky - when I were a lad We had to wait 5 years between GEs. Aye, they were dark times.
You're not from Yorkshire are you, eating coal for breakfast?
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
I see these Scottish polls support my theory that some soft SNP'ers are moving directly to SCons.
I suggested that some Indy No voters then voted SNP in 2015 GE relaxed that the issued of independence had been settled. The Sturgeon/Murrell strategy of throwing the kitchen sink at trying to piggy back another Indy Ref on the back of the Brexit result to the detriment of all other domestic issues will prove to be a very costly mistake. Oh to have been a fly on the wall at Bute House when they heard the news that May had called a GE.
"A Labour government would seek to create four new UK-wide bank holidays, Jeremy Corbyn says. The holidays would be on each nation's patron saint day - St David's Day on 1 March, St Patrick's Day on 17 March, St George's Day on 23 April and St Andrew's Day on 30 November. Mr Corbyn believes the move will "celebrate the national cultures of our proud nations"."
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
He forgets his "back story" sometimes.
You know, it's a honour to have my authencity questioned by alt-righters.
They are the last people on earth to have a real understanding of reality.
I hope you're not including me on that, I put Geoff right on your gender!
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
I'm sparing a thought for Labour canvassers who will feel a different election than the result these polls, if borne out, will deliver. I don't remember, from an activist perspective, 1997 but in 2001 I remember going round the doors with acres of seeming positivity. Everyone was convinced that there were 50-60 gains to be had. The result was shattering as it didn't accord with our experience.
Labour teams will be going round getting smiles, positive responses and will feel buoyed and that it won't be as bad as the polls etc seem. The dawning realisation of catastrophe will be hard for them.
I'm sparing a thought for Labour canvassers who will feel a different election than the result these polls, if borne out, will deliver. I don't remember, from an activist perspective, 1997 but in 2001 I remember going round the doors with acres of seeming positivity. Everyone was convinced that there were 50-60 gains to be had. The result was shattering as it didn't accord with our experience.
Labour teams will be going round getting smiles, positive responses and will feel buoyed and that it won't be as bad as the polls etc seem. The dawning realisation of catastrophe will be hard for them.
I was out on the doorsteps in 1997 and I thought that I was going to win my own (local) race that year. We won the constituency but lost my marginal ward.
Agree entirely, Jim. The bubble was quite incredible, looking back on it.
The way to finish Corbyn off is for labour to vote conservative and crush his movement.
Those surviving mps form their own party and leader and ignore him
Dan Hodges is voting Conservative.
But although I'd LOVE to see Corbyn go, I cannot vote Conservative. I've thought about it and my beliefs do not align with the Conservative party. I'm a liberal at heart.
You only need to do it once and get rid of Corbyn - he IS a national disaster
Apocalypse is a schoolgirl - she seems smart enough to learn, given time.
LOL if I was a school girl I wouldn't be voting for the second time in a GE!
2 years ago isn't so long - you obviously didn't do maths
He forgets his "back story" sometimes.
she's a she
Yeah, right.
Are you asking me to guess? LGBT? Did I get that right? You should have proper respect for the sensitivity of my years. They bring experience but are burdened with ancient values.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
Peak Tory in Scotland already-blink and you will miss it.
Still an overwhelmingly victory for the SNP even on these figures and attempts by the Tories to quote their heavy defeat by the SNP as somehow justification for delaying a referendum will not convince the 70 per cent or so who have not voted Tory.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
The SNP losing 10-12 seats, most probably the leader of the SNP at Westminster losing his seat and the unionist parties combined on 55% would be a rebuff to the SNP whichever way you try and spin it and May would easily be able to ignore Sturgeon's indyref2 demands for the rest of the Parliament
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Aye sure. 35% is the ultra no surrender yoon peak,
"A Ukip candidate for Glasgow Council has said she would like to see the death penalty reintroduced and suggested the guillotine might be a better method of execution than hanging."
At this rate people will be calling for the Conservatives to stand candidates in the Republic of Ireland.
Related - could the NI conservatives be slightly less irrelevant than usual in this election?
TM's paper candidates might get a few percent...
I was thinking about that, Normally she would be accused of splitting the unionist vote, but This time could they actually win? normally I would laugh at that suggestion, but, the DUP are clearly at a low ebb because of the Scandal as seen by there resent results. The UUP have been stuck more or less in a rut for 10 years now. At least some of the SDLP vote is showing singes of being board by sectarian politics and would like to vote for a 'normal party' so long as labour is led by Corbyn he will be hated by many in NI for his relationship/friendship with some IRA people, and so long as the 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' logic stands. If ever there was a brake though opportunity for Conservatives in NI this is it.
But I think it would take a lot of PM Visits/time/energy/money/attention. and therefor probably not worth risking it.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Scottish general election now! If only the unionist parties could cooperate on calling for one.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Aye sure. 35% is the ultra no surrender yoon peak,
Please learn the difference between "Tory" and "unionist".
Le Pen 26% Fillon 22% Macron 21% Mélenchon 17% Hamon 7%
The Tribune de Genève in Switzerland will also be publishing one, or already has.
It's apparently polling from 'one of the candidate's teams'. Who would benefit from a poll like this?
Presumably Macron.
Le Pen looks a bit too high, however given we know Fillon's base will likely turn out while Macron's is untested there is reason to believe the order is not implausible.
Admittedly I have not been following the French elections as much as many on hear. so correct me if I am worn would a Fillon Vs Le Pen run off put be an Anglo-Phile Vs a Euro-Phobe, so ether way we could get a better deal than expected a few months ago.
I was watching French telly and it appears some LR deputies, not just Fillon, seem quite pragmatic about the Brexit talks and dismissing the "tough" line from the EU/Merkel. It would likely mean there would be some internal EU squabbles over the negotiations though.
Fillon is pro EU if a shade more Eurosceptic than Macron and has said he wants to attract business from London back to Paris so do not expect any great favours from him, Le Pen is still the only candidate who really backed Brexit
Of course, I thin bk the big difference re:Macron is the LR aren't as fussed about what is in it for the EU and do not want to see France's interests harmed because of EU intransigence.
I met Macron last year, and he sees the EU as an institution that helps further France's interests. Brexit, to him, is an opportunity for France to grab business from the UK. I think French politicians are - by and large - more nationalistic and opportunistic than we tend to think.
Macron's a homosexual living in a semi-closeted, sub-dom relationship with a man who runs one of France's major companies.
It worries me, that the French can think this is hideable, when it is all over the internet and confirmed by personal acquaintances.
But, vive la difference
I thought he was married to a woman twice his age? At least that's what the Sunday Times Magazine was reporting a few weeks ago.
"A Ukip candidate for Glasgow Council has said she would like to see the death penalty reintroduced and suggested the guillotine might be a better method of execution than hanging."
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Scottish general election now! If only the unionist parties could cooperate on calling for one.
"A Ukip candidate for Glasgow Council has said she would like to see the death penalty reintroduced and suggested the guillotine might be a better method of execution than hanging."
Quite sensible, really. It's more guaranteed to get the result first time and without the calculations and the weight guesswork required to avoid a slow(er) end on a rope.
Both methods are preferable to lethal injection, for example. If you want to bring back the death penalty then you need to avoid methods where you can be held to ransom by third party antis.
In the US, for example, you see domestic terrorists targeting the drug companies which sell the lethal injection cocktails. Hence the move back to more traditional methods of execution.
Oklahoma reintroduced the gas chamber, Utah the firing squad and Tennessee the electric chair in response to a nationwide scarcity of lethal injection drugs for death row inmates. Mississippi are now hedging their bets by allowing all three.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Aye sure. 35% is the ultra no surrender yoon peak,
Please learn the difference between "Tory" and "unionist".
The ultra yoons are coalescing under the tory banner.
At this rate people will be calling for the Conservatives to stand candidates in the Republic of Ireland.
is that allowed?
"Tory" is an Irish word.
It's quite amusing, this conviction that the Tories could soon become akin to the Workers' Party of Korea. They could stand in France! And the US! They could paint everywhere blue and reorganise all countries in the world - even foreign ones - on the basis of private schools, grammar schools, and workhouses! Except in Singapore where the state has more of a role, but never mind! It's the same thing! YouGov prove that this is what's coming!
Could we see 500 Conservative seats? It sounds ridiculous. But with the SNP on 50%, and the opposition fragmented, they got all but three seats in Scotland.
The UK vote share could look awfully like Scottish one. Could it have a similar outcome?
If you Baxter the 50% poll the Tories only get 425 seats.
What would you have gotten in Scotland last year Baxtering SNP 50%?
Good point...
The SNP got their highest swings just where they needed to, where Labour were previously strongest.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Aye sure. 35% is the ultra no surrender yoon peak,
Please learn the difference between "Tory" and "unionist".
The ultra yoons are coalescing under the tory banner.
Your concept of "ultra-unionist" needs a little more thought, and your thesis is wrong. SLAB may be losing votes to SCON, but the two parties aren't coalescing. However, for the record I would support a coalition between SLAB, SCON and SLIBDEM if that's what is necessary to kick the SNP out and to give Scotland a proper government that isn't a government of rabid xenophobic grant-grabbing types who have total contempt for the Scottish people, as shown by how they put forward the ridiculous line that it's so important to be in a single market with Germany etc., countries with which Scotland does so little trade, and that that makes a second indyref necessary. That's just a "respectable" version of saying "we support whoever's playing against England". It's less honest even than the platform of their fellow xenophobes the French National Front.
Just think of this: the SNP revolts so many Scottish people that it makes the Tories seem more attractive.
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
Best news of the election so far that he's going to do a 10th results show. The last time he didn't present in the studio he was standing outside 10 Downing Street all night long in the freezing cold in 1974. Before that, in 1970, he was shadowing Edward Heath in Bexley.
I thought 2015 was his last and Huw Edwards was doing this one?
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
Best news of the election so far that he's going to do a 10th results show. The last time he didn't present in the studio he was standing outside 10 Downing Street all night long in the freezing cold in 1974. Before that, in 1970, he was shadowing Edward Heath in Bexley.
I thought 2015 was his last and Huw Edwards was doing this one?
That was the plan originally. Dimbleby started with a great Tory victory, so it is fitting that he'll end on one
So if Le Pen wins, and then she and Merkel say let's call the EU off, and they want to bring Britain in on shaping the new Europe, then where does that leave the "Brexit means Brexit" and "red white and blue Brexit" and "negotiating Brexit is so awfully awfully hard, but we won't take any nonsense from those continental types" profundity of Theresa May? She'll be a person of the past then, surely?
Or will it be like a right-wing version of the three witches in Macbeth? (I wish I hadn't just had that thought.)
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
Best news of the election so far that he's going to do a 10th results show. The last time he didn't present in the studio he was standing outside 10 Downing Street all night long in the freezing cold in 1974. Before that, in 1970, he was shadowing Edward Heath in Bexley.
I thought 2015 was his last and Huw Edwards was doing this one?
That was the plan originally. Dimbleby started with a great Tory victory, so it is fitting that he'll end on one
Dimbleby lost the plot a few times in the 2015 show (no doubt through tiredness), but I suppose he is a bit more entertaining than Edwards (who is brilliant too and did very well in the morning segment).
So if Le Pen wins, and then she and Merkel say let's call the EU off, and they want to bring Britain in on shaping the new Europe, then where does that leave the "Brexit means Brexit" and "red white and blue Brexit" and "negotiating Brexit is so awfully awfully hard, but we won't take any nonsense from those continental types" profundity of Theresa May? She'll be a person of the past then, surely?
Or will it be like a right-wing version of the three witches in Macbeth? (I wish I hadn't just had that thought.)
If they call the EU off, there won't be any need for a Brexit
So if Le Pen wins, and then she and Merkel say let's call the EU off, and they want to bring Britain in on shaping the new Europe, then where does that leave the "Brexit means Brexit" and "red white and blue Brexit" and "negotiating Brexit is so awfully awfully hard, but we won't take any nonsense from those continental types" profundity of Theresa May? She'll be a person of the past then, surely?
Or will it be like a right-wing version of the three witches in Macbeth? (I wish I hadn't just had that thought.)
If they call the EU off, there won't be any need for a Brexit
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
Best news of the election so far that he's going to do a 10th results show. The last time he didn't present in the studio he was standing outside 10 Downing Street all night long in the freezing cold in 1974. Before that, in 1970, he was shadowing Edward Heath in Bexley.
I thought 2015 was his last and Huw Edwards was doing this one?
That was the plan originally. Dimbleby started with a great Tory victory, so it is fitting that he'll end on one
Dimbleby lost the plot a few times in the 2015 show (no doubt through tiredness), but I suppose he is a bit more entertaining than Edwards (who is brilliant too and did very well in the morning segment).
i'm just hoping he utters the phrase "Scottish Tory Surge" as some BBC AV bod plays a klaxon sound effect
So if Le Pen wins, and then she and Merkel say let's call the EU off, and they want to bring Britain in on shaping the new Europe, then where does that leave the "Brexit means Brexit" and "red white and blue Brexit" and "negotiating Brexit is so awfully awfully hard, but we won't take any nonsense from those continental types" profundity of Theresa May? She'll be a person of the past then, surely?
Or will it be like a right-wing version of the three witches in Macbeth? (I wish I hadn't just had that thought.)
If they call the EU off, there won't be any need for a Brexit
Exactly!
I see no reason May would not be involved. Whether we joined or not would have to be confirmed by a referendum.
I'm reminded of a line in Blairs memoir, on the 97 election, he says at one point he was worried that he would defeat the tories too strongly, leaving Britain in an unhealthy one party state.
I wonder if May would share a similar thought, would she be happy if a true wipeout occurred, and the next parliament resembled the Russian Duma?
The exit poll was 47-29 and the result 44-31.
Talking of exit polls is the BBC wise to go with Dimbleby again, I mean he might not be able to deal with the shock of what might be about to happen.
Best news of the election so far that he's going to do a 10th results show. The last time he didn't present in the studio he was standing outside 10 Downing Street all night long in the freezing cold in 1974. Before that, in 1970, he was shadowing Edward Heath in Bexley.
I thought 2015 was his last and Huw Edwards was doing this one?
That was the plan originally. Dimbleby started with a great Tory victory, so it is fitting that he'll end on one
Dimbleby lost the plot a few times in the 2015 show (no doubt through tiredness), but I suppose he is a bit more entertaining than Edwards (who is brilliant too and did very well in the morning segment).
i'm just hoping he utters the phrase "Scottish Tory Surge" as some BBC AV bod plays a klaxon sound effect
I'm looking forward to the exit poll - I'll still be nervous, but not 2015 nervous.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
Dear SNP HQ, can you pop that threat on all your GE campaign litrature. Oh, and can you have Sturgeon sign off with that threat on her daily soundbite on the evening TV Scottish News between now and the GE. Pretty please...
The Nats dream is dying and they know it.
Aye sure. 35% is the ultra no surrender yoon peak,
The tectonic plates of Scottish politics are shifting and the jerrybuilt SNP eyesore looks vulnerable to collapse.
"A Ukip candidate for Glasgow Council has said she would like to see the death penalty reintroduced and suggested the guillotine might be a better method of execution than hanging."
Quite sensible, really. It's more guaranteed to get the result first time and without the calculations and the weight guesswork required to avoid a slow(er) end on a rope.
Both methods are preferable to lethal injection, for example. If you want to bring back the death penalty then you need to avoid methods where you can be held to ransom by third party antis.
In the US, for example, you see domestic terrorists targeting the drug companies which sell the lethal injection cocktails. Hence the move back to more traditional methods of execution.
Oklahoma reintroduced the gas chamber, Utah the firing squad and Tennessee the electric chair in response to a nationwide scarcity of lethal injection drugs for death row inmates. Mississippi are now hedging their bets by allowing all three.
I am bemused by the idea that executions will have to be cancelled as the drugs will be past shelf date. What are they worried about? That the drugs might kill the patient?
Peak Tory in Scotland already-blink and you will miss it.
Still an overwhelmingly victory for the SNP even on these figures and attempts by the Tories to quote their heavy defeat by the SNP as somehow justification for delaying a referendum will not convince the 70 per cent or so who have not voted Tory.
Delay by the Tories against the wishes of Holyrood and in the face of demographic changes just makes the end of the Union even more certain.
The SNP losing 10-12 seats, most probably the leader of the SNP at Westminster losing his seat and the unionist parties combined on 55% would be a rebuff to the SNP whichever way you try and spin it and May would easily be able to ignore Sturgeon's indyref2 demands for the rest of the Parliament
Correct. If the combined Unionist vote comes to over 50% and the SNP ships any meaningful number of seats, then I think May will feel she's in a strong enough position to rebuff Sturgeon. After that, the SNP can scream and cry and fulminate as much as they like. They've already been whining at an increasingly high pitch ever since the Brexit vote, and thus far it has got them nowhere.
Under such circumstances, the line from No.10 would probably be that peak SNP has passed, the vote shares suggest a majority against independence (confirming the 2014 referendum result,) and therefore indyref2 is off the table - for now. I think that May would tell the SNP to wait until the next Holyrood election in 2021 - by which time we'll have left the EU, and Scots can assess properly how the new arrangements are taking shape - and then try to win another pro-independence majority in the Scottish Parliament, before conceding a new referendum.
Correct, the biggest SNP USP has been that they were outpolling the combined Unionist vote when it came too pretty much claiming that gave them a mandate on any given issue despite no longer having a majority at Holyrood. Its always been cringeworthy observing both Salmond or Sturgeon falling back on their party's polling figures at FMQs when faced with difficult Opposition questions they simple could not rebuff. What ever the outcome of this GE, it would be a real help to Holyrood if this childish rebuttal was finally laid to rest on the back of an electoral backlash.
Agreed, makes you realise just why the SNP attack dogs went absolutely rabid on Ruth Davidson and the Scottish Conservatives about 10 days ago during the Scottish local elections. If their internal canvass/polling reports launched that onslaught, what the hell will these two Scottish polls do in light of an equally imminent GE?
The catch is we have to sustain this for 7 weeks... lots can still happen. If a nailed on ELE looks likely for a number of weeks then politicians' behaviour and voters' behaviour will respond in some way.
I can't see these kinds of poll leads being sustained - but neither can I see what Labour will do to improve their position. Ditching Corbyn now will seem even more chaotic and utterly split their activist base.
Maybe Dennis Skinner should have retired gracefully at the dissolution rather than stand again... "Con gain Bolsover" flashing up on the TV wall would, I think, finish off Dimbleby on election night!
That would truly be astonishing. But I would be disappointed if the SNP poll quite as high as that. (Ditto the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems probably both a bit low).
Keep your hand on that Scottish Tory pulse in Scotland David.....
Le Pen looks a bit too high, however given we know Fillon's base will likely turn out while Macron's is untested there is reason to believe the order is not implausible.
Admittedly I have not been following the French elections as much as many on hear. so correct me if I am worn would a Fillon Vs Le Pen run off put be an Anglo-Phile Vs a Euro-Phobe, so ether way we could get a better deal than expected a few months ago.
I was watching French telly and it appears some LR deputies, not just Fillon, seem quite pragmatic about the Brexit talks and dismissing the "tough" line from the EU/Merkel. It would likely mean there would be some internal EU squabbles over the negotiations though.
Fillon is pro EU if a shade more Eurosceptic than Macron and has said he wants to attract business from London back to Paris so do not expect any great favours from him, Le Pen is still the only candidate who really backed Brexit
Of course, I thin bk the big difference re:Macron is the LR aren't as fussed about what is in it for the EU and do not want to see France's interests harmed because of EU intransigence.
I met Macron last year, and he sees the EU as an institution that helps further France's interests. Brexit, to him, is an opportunity for France to grab business from the UK. I think French politicians are - by and large - more nationalistic and opportunistic than we tend to think.
Macron's a homosexual living in a semi-closeted, sub-dom relationship with a man who runs one of France's major companies.
It worries me, that the French can think this is hideable, when it is all over the internet and confirmed by personal acquaintances.
But, vive la difference
I thought he was married to a woman twice his age? At least that's what the Sunday Times Magazine was reporting a few weeks ago.
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Can well believe Labour societies are losing members but the link only lists two instances in that link.
Not until eighty three years later.
They are the last people on earth to have a real understanding of reality.
(This is not a barb at the lovely Miss A, I simply find the scenario of a high school student with multiple GE and Referendum votes to their name already rather amusing, bearing in mind other folk only got their very first shot at 22/23, depending on political timings!)
The SNP in general and Sturge in particular was the most frequently mentioned national issue.
Such is the power of PB that everyone piled on and now it's down to 6-1
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/g/9388610/Total+Conservative+Party+Seats+In+Scotland+Over+Under.html
Quite simply, on here if you snooze ... you lose. It's all about timing. We spot value on here and post about it. If we've got any sense we put a couple of guineas on ourselves before posting because true value is snapped up by the (few but very clued) gamblers on here.
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/g/9388610/Total+Conservative+Party+Seats+In+Scotland+Over+Under.html
Not believing is more neutral and therefore closer.
Goodnight.
Given that you've intervened several times to give your opinion of 'not believing' I'd say you do care.
Goodnight, have 4chan and Reddit inspired dreams....
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Those bloody pandas have a lot of work to do in the next 7 weeks... #GE2017
Labour teams will be going round getting smiles, positive responses and will feel buoyed and that it won't be as bad as the polls etc seem. The dawning realisation of catastrophe will be hard for them.
Agree entirely, Jim. The bubble was quite incredible, looking back on it.
TM's paper candidates might get a few percent...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-candidate-gisela-allen-glasgow-council-bring-back-death-penalty-abolish-lgbt-communities-a7696651.html
But I think it would take a lot of PM Visits/time/energy/money/attention. and therefor probably not worth risking it.
Oddly, though, the last use of the guillotine in France was in 1977 - many years after the last hanging in the UK. Fun (sort of) fact.
Both methods are preferable to lethal injection, for example. If you want to bring back the death penalty then you need to avoid methods where you can be held to ransom by third party antis.
In the US, for example, you see domestic terrorists targeting the drug companies which sell the lethal injection cocktails. Hence the move back to more traditional methods of execution.
Oklahoma reintroduced the gas chamber, Utah the firing squad and Tennessee the electric chair in response to a nationwide scarcity of lethal injection drugs for death row inmates. Mississippi are now hedging their bets by allowing all three.
It's quite amusing, this conviction that the Tories could soon become akin to the Workers' Party of Korea. They could stand in France! And the US! They could paint everywhere blue and reorganise all countries in the world - even foreign ones - on the basis of private schools, grammar schools, and workhouses! Except in Singapore where the state has more of a role, but never mind! It's the same thing! YouGov prove that this is what's coming!
Just think of this: the SNP revolts so many Scottish people that it makes the Tories seem more attractive.
SNP: 44% (-3)
CON: 33% (+5)
LAB: 13% (-1)
LDEM: 5% (+1)
(via Panelbase)
Chgs. w/ Jan 2017
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190
Extraordinary.
Or will it be like a right-wing version of the three witches in Macbeth? (I wish I hadn't just had that thought.)
Dimbleby lost the plot a few times in the 2015 show (no doubt through tiredness), but I suppose he is a bit more entertaining than Edwards (who is brilliant too and did very well in the morning segment).
The only other parchment copy of the US declaration of independence has been found in a West Sussex records office.
Will Yvette Cooper have a Portillio moment - Normanton requires a similar 17% swing. Has a big UKIP vote to squeeze.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normanton,_Pontefract_and_Castleford_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Election_results
I can't see these kinds of poll leads being sustained - but neither can I see what Labour will do to improve their position. Ditching Corbyn now will seem even more chaotic and utterly split their activist base.
Maybe Dennis Skinner should have retired gracefully at the dissolution rather than stand again... "Con gain Bolsover" flashing up on the TV wall would, I think, finish off Dimbleby on election night!
But that doesn't rule out what SeanT says.