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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,193
    So Tim Shipman is the new Tom Newton Dunn. :D
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    Via Ben Walker from BritainElects:

    YouGov tonight for the ST
    Wales only YouGov on Monday
    Ipsos Mori this week
    Scotland only (pollster not given) for tomorrow's Sunday Post

    I think the SP tend to use Survation.
    There's a Survation both tonight and tomorrow, one UK wide, one Scotland only (SP, I assume).
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984
    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
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    tlg86 said:

    So Tim Shipman is the new Tom Newton Dunn. :D
    Nah, Tim's a very good writer, All Out War was one of the best books ever.

    Plus Tom Newton Dunn's an Arsenal fan.

    Tim's just told me that he'll tweet the polls around 9.30pm
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    Given recent polls, at some point these teased 'amazing' polls will be because they are poor for the Tories.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Andrew_ComRes: Tonight's ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror has Tories on highest vote share of ANY party since Apr '02 & highest for Cons since Jan 1991
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Boo!
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    edited April 2017
    Too slow - TSE beat me too it.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    If Le Pen wins the presidency, then after she has visited Putin, gone to meet Trump, taken a congratulatory call from Netanyahu, and invited Merkel to come and sit in the waiting room at the Elysée for a while before they shake hands and stuff, she'll probably have a few words with May. She may even ask Britain to come on board and help France propose the new Europe. The soundbite from the Elysée will be pro-British, not anti. What will May and Mophead say? Will they admit to planning for contingencies?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,436
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    theakestheakes Posts: 842
    BIG RICH: from my contacts at work a number of Labour supporters are not going to vote in protest.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,436
    AndyJS said:

    Earlier today I tipped the LDs in Cheadle at 14/1. Now 5/1 apparently.

    Shit. How did I miss that?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,436
    AndyJS said:

    kle4 said:

    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    Your view accords with my own, and is therefore clearly correct.
    It depends where you are. The Labour vote is probably holding up okay in inner London, Manchester, Liverpool, etc. Not many marginals there.
    But lots of twenty and thirty-somethings bleating about the Tories on facebook and twitter from there.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,723
    Is there any possibility that the May election results are so bad for Labour that Corbyn goes voluntarily and a caretaker leads them into the GE?
    (No didn't really think so.)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984
    Scott_P said:

    @Andrew_ComRes: Tonight's ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror has Tories on highest vote share of ANY party since Apr '02 & highest for Cons since Jan 1991

    UK Polling report only goes back to 2006 for ComRes, but the highest between then and now for any party was 46%.
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    Mother Tucker.

    ComRes haven't sent me the embargoed version of their poll.
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    There's a ComRes showing a massive Tory lead coming tonight, as well.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Labour on 50%+? That would be truly amazing.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    Hampstead and Kilburn, like Exeter, sill shows 1/200 for all candidates.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    If the polls are this good, then May has played an absolute blinder..
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Andrew_ComRes: New ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror: HIGHEST TORY VOTE SHARE SINCE JAN 1991 Con 50(+4) Lab 25(-) LD 11(-) UKIP 7(-2)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,354

    I presume yougov will be out at 10pm?

    ELBOW... must have ELBOW...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984
    Scott_P said:

    @Andrew_ComRes: New ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror: HIGHEST TORY VOTE SHARE SINCE JAN 1991 Con 50(+4) Lab 25(-) LD 11(-) UKIP 7(-2)

    OMG :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    There's a ComRes showing a massive Tory lead coming tonight, as well.

    Most leaders would be so embarrassed by these polls they'd make way for someone else. Not Corbyn though.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,436
    I just backed the Tories at 8/1 in Aberdeen South, and I've also got them on in Newport West at a not quite so impressive 4/6. Both still available.

    If you believe these polls, and rumours of polls, y'know.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,336
    edited April 2017

    Is there any possibility that the May election results are so bad for Labour that Corbyn goes voluntarily and a caretaker leads them into the GE?
    (No didn't really think so.)

    It must be getting to the point labour mps resign on mass and stand as independent labour
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Scott_P said:

    @Andrew_ComRes: New ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror: HIGHEST TORY VOTE SHARE SINCE JAN 1991 Con 50(+4) Lab 25(-) LD 11(-) UKIP 7(-2)

    I'm high again......
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Hmm, then it had better genuinely be amazing. But how? UKIP down to low single figures, LD surging? Lab up to 30?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984
    Just a bit of fun....

    Baxter'd:

    CON 425
    Lab 140
    LD 8

    Con Majority 200.... :D
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    That comres poll..wow. May is set to sweep all before her
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    I see ComRes have gone early to get the retweets - BLIMEY. Is it 1997?

    *digs out D-Ream CD*
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,782

    If the polls are this good, then May has played an absolute blinder..

    Nah.....she's a 'pound shop Gordon Brown with support a mile wide and an inch deep'......
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Earlier today I tipped the LDs in Cheadle at 14/1. Now 5/1 apparently.

    Shit. How did I miss that?
    Probably one of the top 5 most likely LD gains.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    theakes said:

    BIG RICH: from my contacts at work a number of Labour supporters are not going to vote in protest.

    Thanks for the update, do you think that as the campaign hears up that will last? or will they fall in to party line? and if you don't mind me asking where in the country is that?
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Hmm, then it had better genuinely be amazing. But how? UKIP down to low single figures, LD surging? Lab up to 30?
    Labour at 35?

    ;-)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857

    If the polls are this good, then May has played an absolute blinder..

    If they hold up. Long time til June.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984

    If the polls are this good, then May has played an absolute blinder..

    Nah.....she's a 'pound shop Gordon Brown with support a mile wide and an inch deep'......
    Mile wide and now a mile deep :D

    May on course for a 1931-style victory? :p
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Hmm, then it had better genuinely be amazing. But how? UKIP down to low single figures, LD surging? Lab up to 30?
    Labour at 35?

    ;-)
    This is meant to be a sensible website!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    Well, ComRes is still providing evidence for my '25% is Lab's floor' assumption #silverlinings
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Earlier today I tipped the LDs in Cheadle at 14/1. Now 5/1 apparently.

    Shit. How did I miss that?
    Probably one of the top 5 most likely LD gains.
    Give the over/under line at PP is 21 gains (or 20 against current MPs) I think it's a safe hadge for that. Although I did only put £1 on...
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Andrew_ComRes: Tonight's ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror has Tories on highest vote share of ANY party since Apr '02 & highest for Cons since Jan 1991

    UK Polling report only goes back to 2006 for ComRes, but the highest between then and now for any party was 46%.
    ComRes was founded in 2003. The biggest Tory poll from Jan 1991 was 51% but as noted earlier MORI had them on 52% in 2008, so something doesn't add up.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,851

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Hmm, then it had better genuinely be amazing. But how? UKIP down to low single figures, LD surging? Lab up to 30?
    Labour at 35?

    ;-)
    Labour lead?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    It'll be interesting to see how the pollsters use the Local election results to 'calibrate' their polls.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    dr_spyn said:
    I think the correct response is 'gosh'
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,984

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Andrew_ComRes: Tonight's ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror has Tories on highest vote share of ANY party since Apr '02 & highest for Cons since Jan 1991

    UK Polling report only goes back to 2006 for ComRes, but the highest between then and now for any party was 46%.
    ComRes was founded in 2003. The biggest Tory poll from Jan 1991 was 51% but as noted earlier MORI had them on 52% in 2008, so something doesn't add up.
    I think they are talking about highest vote share in a comres poll?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    When did ComRes decide we could 'trust' their voting intention polls again?
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    edited April 2017
    kle4 said:

    If the polls are this good, then May has played an absolute blinder..

    If they hold up. Long time til June.
    Still comes down to this - May or Corbyn as PM?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Wow.

    I said yesterday that there were only two things that could happen in a poll to make me go wow, and one of them was a Curtis James Jackson III.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    edited April 2017
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Earlier today I tipped the LDs in Cheadle at 14/1. Now 5/1 apparently.

    Shit. How did I miss that?
    Probably one of the top 5 most likely LD gains.
    If these polls are right there aren't going to be any LD gains, not from the Tories at any rate.

    God, imagine being a Tory incumbent who lost their seat should the polls produce a landslide victory. It'll be like being one of the three SNP candidates who didn't win in 2015.

    Did anyone in Lab lose their seat to the Tories in 1997?
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    dr_spyn said:
    Holy moly. Jesus Christ. Bleedin' Nora etc. etc.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,314
    edited April 2017
    dr_spyn said:
    These are just getting silly now. It's not the case that every other voter you meet is going to vote Tory. I think we're experiencing a polling Maygasm - the surprise of the early election call is generating some strange noise.
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    When is IOS, due to arrive with factual accounts of Labour's awesome ground game?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,833
    Strewth Ruth... :open_mouth:
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    kle4 said:

    If the polls are this good, then May has played an absolute blinder..

    If they hold up. Long time til June.
    Yep. A Tory majority is at 1.175 at Betfair. A few hours' time from now will probably be an excellent time to sell them. Much easier for them to go down from 50% than up.
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    You Motherfuckers gmail.

    I had the ComRes embargoed email for an hour, but they stuck in my spam folder.
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    From ComRes email

    The Tory Party’s lead has increased in the last week since the Election announcement, with the party’s voting intention ratings now hitting a massive 50%, with Labour on 25%. This is the first time since April 2002 that any UK political party has achieved 50%, and first time the Conservatives have achieved 50% since January 1991.

    The gap between the Conservatives and Labour is reflected in 62% of the public saying that Theresa May would make the best Prime Minister after the upcoming General Election compared to 25% who say the same of Jeremy Corbyn. Theresa May’s leadership score is higher than that of Jeremy Corbyn, Tim Farron and Paul Nuttall combined.

    Half of 2015 UKIP voters (48%) now say that they would now vote Conservative, up from 31% last weekend, continuing the Conservatives’ squeeze on UKIP’s vote.

    Even what ought to core regional demographics for Jeremy Corbyn say that Theresa May would make the best Prime Minister: most voters in Scotland and the North of England say she would make the best Prime Minister (51% and 57% respectively) rather than Jeremy Corbyn (33% and 31%).

    And the Election is widely seen as unwinnable for Labour under its current leadership: while six in ten (59%) overall think it unwinnable, even 18-24 year olds are more likely to agree than disagree that the Party cannot win a General Election with Jeremy Corbyn as leader (41% v 26%).
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,096
    If only 2% comes from UKIP, does it imply big gains against the SNP?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    BigRich said:

    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    Klaxons are on standby.

    Here's hoping for a 50%er!
    He's given away in the twitter replies that it isn't the Tories on 50%+.
    Hmm, then it had better genuinely be amazing. But how? UKIP down to low single figures, LD surging? Lab up to 30?
    Labour at 35?

    ;-)
    This is meant to be a sensible website!
    It is? Shit!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Tap mic....sniff sniff...Rigged system.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    Chameleon said:

    dr_spyn said:
    Holy moly. Jesus Christ. Bleedin' Nora etc. etc.
    Con majority of 186. Net LD movement of 0. SNP -1.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,096

    You Motherfuckers gmail.

    I had the ComRes embargoed email for an hour, but they stuck in my spam folder.

    Google thought the figures looked too dodgy to be real. :)
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    @Andrew_ComRes: Tonight's ComRes poll for Sunday Mirror has Tories on highest vote share of ANY party since Apr '02 & highest for Cons since Jan 1991

    UK Polling report only goes back to 2006 for ComRes, but the highest between then and now for any party was 46%.
    ComRes was founded in 2003. The biggest Tory poll from Jan 1991 was 51% but as noted earlier MORI had them on 52% in 2008, so something doesn't add up.
    I think they are talking about highest vote share in a comres poll?
    Yeah, that's my point: ComRes didn't exist in 1991.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited April 2017
    dr_spyn said:
    I think the correct response is 'gosh'
    Labour are on course for being pounded like a dockside hooker.
    Edit: quoting fiasco, plus the edit function has gone all coy again.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    dr_spyn said:
    These are just getting silly now. It's not the case that every other voter you meet is going to vote Tory. I think we're experiencing a polling Maygasm - the surprise of the early election call is generating some strange noise.
    Doubt May can get 50% in the actual election (in GB) - BUT there are large parts of the country where 70% or more WILL vote Tory.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    I think Brentford is the more likely Conservative gain of the two West London super-marginal.

    And its at longer odds as well.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Labour look suspiciously high in those polls.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Andrew_ComRes: ComRes for Sunday Mirror: T May has higher best PM rating than Corbyn, Farron & Nuttall combined
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,499

    dr_spyn said:
    These are just getting silly now. It's not the case that every other voter you meet is going to vote Tory. I think we're experiencing a polling Maygasm - the surprise of the early election call is generating some strange noise.
    If the Conservatives get 52% at the election - should we all club together and buy Sunil a steam train?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Could it be that what is going on is that all the "non-voters" who registered and voted in the EU referendum to deliver the result have hung around in the electorate. We are still close enough to the referendum for them to be on the Electoral Registers, and they may be highly motivated to vote to guarantee Brexit. And it is May who they will have to vote for.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    I'm wondering now if Corbyn is in fact a long-term Thatcherite mole, dedicated to destroying Labour from inside. Seriously: could he do it any more effectively?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    Three in five adults (59%) say that the Labour Party cannot win a General Election with Jeremy Corbyn as leader, including almost half (45%) of 2015 Labour voters.

    Similar proportions (55% v 53%) agree that Theresa May was right to call a General Election (per se) as say she was right to call one because of Brexit.

    Over 65s are the only age group more likely to agree than disagree that Theresa May has the best interests of people like them at heart, but they do so overwhelmingly(59% v 25%). 64% of them will also vote Conservative on June 8th
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857

    dr_spyn said:
    These are just getting silly now. It's not the case that every other voter you meet is going to vote Tory. I think we're experiencing a polling Maygasm - the surprise of the early election call is generating some strange noise.
    Yep. It'll pull back a bit with the grind of this super long campaign, but at the moment people are indeed making that early assessment, May or Corbyn, and saying 'May, May, oh a thousand times May!'.

    But there'll be among those people those who don't want too big a majority, and know they can stay Lab without worrying about letting in Corbyn.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Jezza and his disciples all over tv -> Tory vote share increases.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Labour look suspiciously high in those polls.

    The Lib Dems will be disappointed. I mean, 11% is likely to give them some gains but the optimistic forecasts of 20+ gains need more votes nationally...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101
    AndyJS said:

    Earlier today I tipped the LDs in Cheadle at 14/1. Now 5/1 apparently.

    Con to win Don Valley is in from 8/1 to 5/2.

    The power of PB.

    Did anyone else get on ?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If the Conservatives get 50% of the vote, they will massively outperform uniform national swing.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,499

    Is there any possibility that the May election results are so bad for Labour that Corbyn goes voluntarily and a caretaker leads them into the GE?
    (No didn't really think so.)

    It must be getting to the point labour mps resign on mass and stand as independent labour
    If Labour lost every single seat (including his own)... Corbyn would carry on.
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    This ComRes poll is clearly bollocks

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/855874552835997696
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    dr_spyn said:
    So is it beginning to seem conceivable that the Conservatives could win an absolute majority of votes cast?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,857
    I see from Cheadle that in 2015 the 'Above and Beyond' party won 208 votes. Wiki says it is a single issue party which wants a 'None of the above' option on ballot papers.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited April 2017
    alex. said:

    Could it be that what is going on is that all the "non-voters" who registered and voted in the EU referendum to deliver the result have hung around in the electorate. We are still close enough to the referendum for them to be on the Electoral Registers, and they may be highly motivated to vote to guarantee Brexit. And it is May who they will have to vote for.

    Yes but will they actually show up on polling day like last year? Maybe doing so last year gave them a taste for it.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    I think you mean Jeremy Corbyn
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    spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,312
    I know that historically the opinion polls have overstated labour and understated the Tories but is it now time to ask the question as to whether the people being polled have started being 'shy labour' because of corbyn causing the reverse to be true. Are we at the point now where we are overstating the Tories and understating Labour (god knows what would happen if it was 50% tory and still underestimating them!)

    I get suspicious when there's 50% for any party (I know they were relatively unfounded suspicions in Scotland during the last election)
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Labour look suspiciously high in those polls.

    The Lib Dems will be disappointed. I mean, 11% is likely to give them some gains but the optimistic forecasts of 20+ gains need more votes nationally...
    If the Conservatives get 50%, the Lib Dems are unlikely to make more than one or two net gains.
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