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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    GIN1138 said:

    Theresa's personal ratings are pretty astonishing...
    The question is how much of this is a reflection of the alternative, Corbyn? As he plans to stay on, it maybe a couple of years before we find out.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2017

    Cheeky.....

    twitter.com/AIex_SaImond/status/855846270140915713

    Is the book about the building of trumps golf course?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    edited April 2017
    ab195 said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:


    For example [Corbyn] will promise an end to the public sector freeze under which pay awards have been held back at just 1 per cent a year for four years.

    That'd be nice, but sorry Jezza, I just cannot vote for you just to get a pay rise.
    Is it not still the case that a huge number of public sector employees automatically move up a 'grade' every year or two, so are not actually suffering from years of stangnant pay?
    Grades have been frozen too. At least, I haven't gone up one in years.
    Indeed. We used to move up x number of "spine" points and then the spine points were up-rated for inflation, like in the NHS, police, or army. But Osborne stopped that. I've only got 1% each year for years, other than inflation. So my current salary is worh nothing like what my equivalents' was 10 years ago in real terms.
    Still better than many many private sector companies where workers can easily have had no pay rise at all in 8 or 9 years. Plus their pension gone.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    Sounds like the Scottish LibDems might be showing signs of life !
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844

    GIN1138 said:

    Via Ben Walker from BritainElects:

    YouGov tonight for the ST
    Wales only YouGov on Monday
    Ipsos Mori this week
    Scotland only (pollster not given) for tomorrow's Sunday Post

    If there's one pollster that will put the Tories on 50%+ it's surely MORI... ;)

    Good old Bouncy MORI. They were the ones with Tories 52% in 2008ish, right?
    Yep. That was the high point of the 05-10 parliament for the Tories after which, Swwwwwwwwwwwiiiiiiiinnnnnngggggg baccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk occurred. ;)
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    SeanT said:

    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    Has anyone else seen Beauty and the Beast? It's blood fabulous. Saw it with my older daughter today.

    It's made a billion dollars making it the biggest movie musical of all time. And deservedly so.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/beauty-and-the-beast-billion-dollars

    I loved it (didn't like the Jungle Book remake). My young niece did not, but without her I'd not be able to see it.

    From my recollections I think they made Gaston even more villainous than the original cartoon.
    Same. Didn't like Jungle Book, was therefore not looking forward to this.

    It's superb. Funny, clever, visually amazing, great songs, brilliant ideas, and actually quite moving in places.
    Beauty and the Beast was always going to top Jungle Book. I mean, that score by Alan Menken alone (particularly the transformation scene..)
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    calum said:
    second raters scrabbling to try and get on the gravy train
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844
    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    second raters scrabbling to try and get on the gravy train
    Evening Malc! :smiley:
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444
    I have a feeling Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives will do better than expected.

    I expect a level of soft SNP voters to move direct to SCon in some of the seats in which she is challenging, in addition to Unionist voter consolidation.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    GIN1138 said:

    Theresa's personal ratings are pretty astonishing...
    Just like Gordon Brown's.........
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    RobD said:
    Not really, Labour well down, tories/libd up, snp equal or a point or 2 down.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    GIN1138 said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    second raters scrabbling to try and get on the gravy train
    Evening Malc! :smiley:
    Hi Gin, Hope you had a pleasant day
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Spitting Image set to return to TV screens after more than two decades in new series made by US network behind Game of Thrones

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4435556/Spitting-Image-set-return-TV-screens.html
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844

    GIN1138 said:

    Theresa's personal ratings are pretty astonishing...
    Just like Gordon Brown's.........
    Mile wide and inch...
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Because it would be a move to the right in Broxtowe ? .... :sunglasses:
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    calum said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    Sounds like the Scottish LibDems might be showing signs of life !
    LOL, at best they may just have a pulse, no tandem required.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    I have a feeling Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives will do better than expected.

    I expect a level of soft SNP voters to move direct to SCon in some of the seats in which she is challenging, in addition to Unionist voter consolidation.

    Is that a klaxon I head in the distance? :smiley:
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844
    malcolmg said:

    GIN1138 said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    second raters scrabbling to try and get on the gravy train
    Evening Malc! :smiley:
    Hi Gin, Hope you had a pleasant day
    Very nice thank you. Sun shone from dawn until dusk and got plenty done in the garden.

    Now chillaxing with a beer and some pretzels and waiting for Justin to have another PB Meltdown. :smiley:
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    I have a feeling Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives will do better than expected.

    I expect a level of soft SNP voters to move direct to SCon in some of the seats in which she is challenging, in addition to Unionist voter consolidation.

    I know a few folks who have moved from lifelong SLAB to SNP and now to SCON !
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    daodaodaodao Posts: 821

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844
    edited April 2017
    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Because it would be a move to the right in Broxtowe ? .... :sunglasses:
    No... Because he was very nice to me when I was going through a health problem a few years ago and he seems like a genuinely nice person (just like yourself :smiley: )
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783

    I have a feeling Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives will do better than expected.

    I expect a level of soft SNP voters to move direct to SCon in some of the seats in which she is challenging, in addition to Unionist voter consolidation.

    They have a simple message - no Indyref2 & Brexit.

    The SNP's is more challenging given over 40% of their voters were Leavers
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919
    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    True, if I lived in Broxtowe I'd probably vote for Nick over Anna Sourpuss too.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    calum said:

    Sounds like the Scottish LibDems might be showing signs of life !

    Hopefully yes and then no .... :smiley:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    The klaxon is becoming so loud I'm thinking of selling some PB-branded ear defenders. :D
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Retreads rarely have anything new or interesting to say. Bring out the sheepdog.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844
    edited April 2017
    matt said:



    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Retreads rarely have anything new or interesting to say. Bring out the sheepdog.
    Oooooooooooooo That's not very nice to our Dr Nick. :(
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Anyone considering betting on the result in Ashfield should take note that the Jason Zadrozny saga is still dragging on . Two years ago the Lib Dem PPC ( now leader of Ashfield Independents ) was charged with 24 serious sex offences . At pre trial in January many of the most serious charges were dropped and the police were not in a position to prosecute charges at that time . The police were given until October to decide whether they want to continue with the prosecution . They are no doubt dragging things out as Zadrozny intends to seek legal redress against senior officers of Nottingham Police and Labour Party officials for collusion in bringing the original charges at a critical time immediately prior to the 2015 GE .
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Because it would be a move to the right in Broxtowe ? .... :sunglasses:
    No... Because he was very nice to me when I was going through a health problem a few years ago and he seems like a nice person (just like yourself :smiley: )
    An element of spectacular sound judgement creeps into the final part of your post .... :astonished:
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,079
    jayfdee said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    Has anyone else seen Beauty and the Beast? It's bloody fabulous. Saw it with my older daughter today.

    It's made a billion dollars making it the biggest movie musical of all time. And deservedly so.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/beauty-and-the-beast-billion-dollars

    Yes, saw it a few weeks ago and it was excellent, biggest selling movie of 2017 so far (Dan Stevens who plays the Beast was also the year below me at school)
    My Grandson 6 cried when Gaston did what he did.( do not want to reveal the story too much, but we all know it).
    Grandson came home and said "I hate Gaston".
    The animation took us to a new level, no wonder it has been so well received.
    Yes, it was very well done
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844
    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Because it would be a move to the right in Broxtowe ? .... :sunglasses:
    No... Because he was very nice to me when I was going through a health problem a few years ago and he seems like a nice person (just like yourself :smiley: )
    An element of spectacular sound judgement creeps into the final part of your post .... :astonished:
    You seem surprised? I don't only talk rubbish on here you know. ;)
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    SNP have around 2,000 members a seat - will defend well and GOTV - 10 seats vulnerable - will be hard-fought - I'd expect SNP over 50 - 54/55 possible
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
    I agree with PT. I'm expecting three Tory gains.
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    BigRich said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    Can only think SLab or the tiny number that voted UKIP have completely abandoned them.
    I would imagine that Scottish UKIP will struggle to find and put up candidates this time, and the 1% or whatever they got last time will switch strata to SCON, without much fuss.
    I'd be astonished if they trouble the scorer - but for the amusement and delight of the Scottish journos covering the campaign, David Coburn is standing.
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    daodaodaodao Posts: 821

    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
    There may be 2 "Portillo moments" in the North East - look out for Moray (Angus Robertson) and Gordon (Alex Salmond). If they both fall, the SNP group at Westminster would be decapitated.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444

    I have a feeling Ruth Davidson's Scottish Conservatives will do better than expected.

    I expect a level of soft SNP voters to move direct to SCon in some of the seats in which she is challenging, in addition to Unionist voter consolidation.

    They have a simple message - no Indyref2 & Brexit.

    The SNP's is more challenging given over 40% of their voters were Leavers
    Some SNP'ers who voted SNP in GE2015 for a strong Scottish voice in Westminster aren't necesarily independence supporters.

    Some SNP'ers will still be nationalists but prioritise Brexit/immigration control over Scottish independence in the EU or EEA, and none.

    A chunk of Labour/LD unionists (not all) will swing behind the Scottish Conservatives to send a message on IndyRef too.

    I could see a seat like Aberdeen South potentially being very close between SCon and the SNP, with the winner not having much more than 34-35% of the vote.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    I presume yougov will be out at 10pm?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Since 2015 general election SNP -7%, Tories + 17%, Labour -10%, LDs (unchanged). Tories would win 10 seats from the SNP including Moray where they would oust SNP Westminster leader Angus Robertson (albeit it is a subsample), LDs would take 2 SNP seats
    That would require Labour to go to a negative vote total in Moray.

    So well within the bounds of possibility at current rate.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Would you like to bet on that position
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    True, if I lived in Broxtowe I'd probably vote for Nick over Anna Sourpuss too.
    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Anyone considering betting on the result in Ashfield should take note that the Jason Zadrozny saga is still dragging on . Two years ago the Lib Dem PPC ( now leader of Ashfield Independents ) was charged with 24 serious sex offences . At pre trial in January many of the most serious charges were dropped and the police were not in a position to prosecute charges at that time . The police were given until October to decide whether they want to continue with the prosecution . They are no doubt dragging things out as Zadrozny intends to seek legal redress against senior officers of Nottingham Police and Labour Party officials for collusion in bringing the original charges at a critical time immediately prior to the 2015 GE .

    You are claiming the police colluded with a political party - you might want to get the mods delete that
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Sandpit said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    To be fair to Nick, he was the candidate. Was hardly going to claim Dan Hodges' £3k prize by saying he thought he was going to lose on a public forum, was he?

    Don't get me wrong I like Dr Nick. If he is standing again in Broxtowe in 2017 I wish him every success in beating Ms. Soubry...
    Because it would be a move to the right in Broxtowe ? .... :sunglasses:
    No... Because he was very nice to me when I was going through a health problem a few years ago and he seems like a nice person (just like yourself :smiley: )
    An element of spectacular sound judgement creeps into the final part of your post .... :astonished:
    Jack, thanks for book tips the other day , I got all four of them between ebay and Amazon , as you said 1715 was only one that cost a decent amount.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

    https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/855858246506213384
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    daodao said:

    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
    There may be 2 "Portillo moments" in the North East - look out for Moray (Angus Robertson) and Gordon (Alex Salmond). If they both fall, the SNP group at Westminster would be decapitated.
    For once an apposite metaphor - they're (virtually) the only ones with brains on the SNP benches - much as it would be fun there are bigger wastes of space - Nicholson & Wishart spring to mind, let-alone 'make it up as you go along' Cherry......
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,193

    I presume yougov will be out at 10pm?

    I see Yougov is now commissioned by the Times rather than the Sun. So I guess we won't get the ramping from Tom Newton Dunn that we got in 2015.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    daodao said:

    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
    There may be 2 "Portillo moments" in the North East - look out for Moray (Angus Robertson) and Gordon (Alex Salmond). If they both fall, the SNP group at Westminster would be decapitated.
    That would be better than Balls.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

    https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/855858246506213384

    Oh, I do love a dodgy Y axis.......
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    GeoffM said:

    GIN1138 said:

    BigRich said:

    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    Thanks for the update, these 'dispatches from the front' from activists who are also PB Posters add texture to the poles.
    Yes, always interesting but keep in mind Dr Nick Palmer's fabled canvassing returns weren't much help in the end in 2010 and 2015...
    That's a beautiful way of typing "...were absolutely fictional partisan bollocks".
    i remember tic toc - just before the truth came out that Labour were in retreat
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,079
    edited April 2017
    Alistair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Since 2015 general election SNP -7%, Tories + 17%, Labour -10%, LDs (unchanged). Tories would win 10 seats from the SNP including Moray where they would oust SNP Westminster leader Angus Robertson (albeit it is a subsample), LDs would take 2 SNP seats
    That would require Labour to go to a negative vote total in Moray.

    So well within the bounds of possibility at current rate.
    Indeed though the poll also showed a 7% direct swing from the SNP to the Tories
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

    https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/855858246506213384

    Errrr, as far as bar charts go that's worse than many LD ones, and what's really annoying is it does not need to be!!!!!!!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062

    daodao said:

    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
    There may be 2 "Portillo moments" in the North East - look out for Moray (Angus Robertson) and Gordon (Alex Salmond). If they both fall, the SNP group at Westminster would be decapitated.
    For once an apposite metaphor - they're (virtually) the only ones with brains on the SNP benches - much as it would be fun there are bigger wastes of space - Nicholson & Wishart spring to mind, let-alone 'make it up as you go along' Cherry......
    You still slavering at that 116 subsample and imagining it is accurate.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    For those interested in a way round the French news blackout:

    https://twitter.com/hdebonnevolonte/status/855859722704089088
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

    https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/855858246506213384

    Oh, I do love a dodgy Y axis.......
    Doesn't quite fit the scansion of "Oh I do like to be beside the seaside"... :)
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    GIN1138 said:

    Via Ben Walker from BritainElects:

    YouGov tonight for the ST
    Wales only YouGov on Monday
    Ipsos Mori this week
    Scotland only (pollster not given) for tomorrow's Sunday Post

    If there's one pollster that will put the Tories on 50%+ it's surely MORI... ;)

    Good old Bouncy MORI. They were the ones with Tories 52% in 2008ish, right?
    I thought it was You Gov but I could be wrong
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    For those interested in a way round the French news blackout:

    https://twitter.com/hdebonnevolonte/status/855859722704089088

    What a little scamp that tin tin is.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    malcolmg said:

    Jack, thanks for book tips the other day , I got all four of them between ebay and Amazon , as you said 1715 was only one that cost a decent amount.

    Very good.

    The 1715 is worth the extra expense and a period not widely covered.

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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Sandpit said:

    I've come up with a new term than saying Labour are going to get pounded like a dockside hooker.

    It's not for the faint of heart or those eating.

    https://twitter.com/David__Osland/status/851740438813954048
    lol superb
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    BigRich said:

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

    https://twitter.com/John2Win/status/855858246506213384

    Errrr, as far as bar charts go that's worse than many LD ones, and what's really annoying is it does not need to be!!!!!!!
    Worse? Don't you mean Better?

    Note the subliminal red tie too......
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    malcolmg said:

    daodao said:

    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Double digits in Scotland would be unbelievable. If they make it to 4 I'd be impressed.
    There may be 2 "Portillo moments" in the North East - look out for Moray (Angus Robertson) and Gordon (Alex Salmond). If they both fall, the SNP group at Westminster would be decapitated.
    For once an apposite metaphor - they're (virtually) the only ones with brains on the SNP benches - much as it would be fun there are bigger wastes of space - Nicholson & Wishart spring to mind, let-alone 'make it up as you go along' Cherry......
    You still slavering at that 116 subsample and imagining it is accurate.
    Evening Malc - I have suggested previously that there maybe a move away from the SNP in the north east and borders. This election will either confirm or disprove that theory
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    TrueBlueTrueBlue Posts: 4
    TOPPING said:

    News from the (English) streets today in Ealing Central and Acton - a Remain-voting London Lab-held Super-marginal you would think one of the first constituencies to fall. Big houses champagne socialism territory:

    Plenty of disgust at the Cons (NHS, Brexit, immigrant registers, broken promises).

    Some despair from Lab voters at Jezza. Many thought he was a breath of fresh air.

    Some Lab and Cons voters now without a home. Net net I think enough Lab voters will go LD giving it to Cons I hope but no room for complacency.

    No value from the betting markets here but plenty of Lab support.

    I'm just back from Twickenham, and similar repsonse. Big remainers. Dr Tania Mathias seen as strong but some Cons saying have to vote for Lib Dem remainer Cable. Blues had 50 people out. odd thing was hardly any undecideds. That's rare 7 weeks out.

    Time will tell but Libs have a chance.

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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited April 2017
    These polls are all very well but it's still weeks until the election. Six in fact. A lot can happen in that time.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

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    These polls are all very well but there is still weeks until the election. Six in fact. A lot can happen in that time.

    Yes - it can get even worse for Corbyn
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    edited April 2017
    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    tlg86 said:

    I presume yougov will be out at 10pm?

    I see Yougov is now commissioned by the Times rather than the Sun. So I guess we won't get the ramping from Tom Newton Dunn that we got in 2015.
    who will be ramping it instead?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    JackW said:

    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

    LOL
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844
    JackW said:

    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

    You just made me LOL! :smiley:
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2017
    JackW said:

    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

    Nothing wrong with Ms Soubry, are people anti because she is a remainer?.

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    TrueBlueTrueBlue Posts: 4
    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444
    Please make this Labour's next party political broadcast:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88IE2QKVuA
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919

    Please make this Labour's next party political broadcast:

    hps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88IE2QKVuA

    Has a PPB ever contained the 'C-word' before?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444
    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    Which streets are you on?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    Not much to meltdown in Twickenham!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kle4 said:

    J don't want to sound cynical but have not Opinium just looked at other pollsters and decided they had better move theirs more into line but thought they would look a bit better if they still kept them at the extreme ends of the other pollsters figures .

    It is interesting that there was a sudden pre=announcement jump from the other pollsters, and now Opinium has had a post announcement jump.
    tlg86 said:

    Do you think they've changed the rules on this since last June? I do wonder why someone who's lived here for 25 years hasn't applied for British citizenship - did they not want to vote in our elections?
    It's not a requirement that people make such a firm choice. The facts will be very interesting, as it seems a strange decision, but headlines/initial reports on these things so often turn out to be more complicated.
    It's never more complicated: it's always the same reason.

    Immigration paperwork is heinously complicated. A specialist lawyer will charge about £500. It's a mistake to try and cut corners
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    TrueBlueTrueBlue Posts: 4

    JackW said:

    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

    Nothing wrong with Ms Soubry, are people anti because she is a remainer?.

    it's the whining about the referendum
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    JackW said:

    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

    Nothing wrong with Ms Soubry, are people anti because she is a remainer?.

    Neither of them are pleasant or particularly intelligent people.

    I'd really struggle to vote if I lived there.

    Some sort of spoiled ballot covered in cartoon phalli, maybe.
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    Sandpit said:

    Please make this Labour's next party political broadcast:

    hps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88IE2QKVuA

    Has a PPB ever contained the 'C-word' before?
    The next Labour PPB will - "Corbyn".
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,320
    Sandpit said:

    Please make this Labour's next party political broadcast:

    hps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88IE2QKVuA

    Has a PPB ever contained the 'C-word' before?
    No, but then C**byn hasn't been leader before :wink:
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    BigRich said:

    If I lived in Broxtowe, I would vote for anybody including Monster Raving Loony instead of Anna Soubry.

    PS are the Loonys standing this time?

    Of course but Labour have yet to select their candidate .... :smiley:

    Nothing wrong with Ms Soubry, are people anti because she is a remainer?.

    All party "oddballs" attract divisive comment.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,919

    Sandpit said:

    Please make this Labour's next party political broadcast:

    hps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88IE2QKVuA

    Has a PPB ever contained the 'C-word' before?
    The next Labour PPB will - "Corbyn".
    Ha, nearly as offensive as the other one! ;)
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    TrueBlue,

    Welcome to PB, and I'm glad you have seed that, there is a defiantly a risk that we on hear, commentators in general and everybody, gets so cared away with saying its a landslide!! that we stop thinking this though properly.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977

    These polls are all very well but it's still weeks until the election. Six in fact. A lot can happen in that time.

    Tories above 50%?
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    TrueBlueTrueBlue Posts: 4
    BigRich said:

    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    TrueBlue,

    Welcome to PB, and I'm glad you have seed that, there is a defiantly a risk that we on hear, commentators in general and everybody, gets so cared away with saying its a landslide!! that we stop thinking this though properly.
    When I was out with Blues today everyone was saying to MPs around us.."oh yes, everyone loves you" and then tweeting "great day blah blah blah." It was a 50/50 day, no more.

    It might be a landslide, but 7 weeks is a long time.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    daodao said:

    GIN1138 said:

    calum said:
    I assume the one party that's not improving in Scotland is Labour? ;)
    It would be a surprise if it was anyone else.....all the subsamples have been pretty consistent.....
    I expect it's the SNP who are falling back. I expect them to win only about 40-45 seats (cf 56 last time) with a substantial number of seats (about 10) likely to turn blue in Edinburgh, the Borders and the North-East. SLD and SLAB are also likely to make some gains.

    I also expect the Tories to make substantial gains in Wales (7-10 seats).
    Coming from 3rd in every Edinburgh seat?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    You won't always pick up on it. The Tories in 1997 were convinced they weren't going to do too badly. Mitcham & Morden Conservatives expected to increase their majority based on canvassing. In fact they suffered an enormous defeat.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,444
    Sandpit said:

    Please make this Labour's next party political broadcast:

    hps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88IE2QKVuA

    Has a PPB ever contained the 'C-word' before?
    I hope it goes viral.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,896
    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    Your view accords with my own, and is therefore clearly correct.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,844

    GIN1138 said:

    Via Ben Walker from BritainElects:

    YouGov tonight for the ST
    Wales only YouGov on Monday
    Ipsos Mori this week
    Scotland only (pollster not given) for tomorrow's Sunday Post

    If there's one pollster that will put the Tories on 50%+ it's surely MORI... ;)

    Good old Bouncy MORI. They were the ones with Tories 52% in 2008ish, right?
    I thought it was You Gov but I could be wrong
    Nope was MORI that put Con on 52% in September 2008;

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-2/mori
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    TrueBlue said:

    BigRich said:

    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    TrueBlue,

    Welcome to PB, and I'm glad you have seed that, there is a defiantly a risk that we on hear, commentators in general and everybody, gets so cared away with saying its a landslide!! that we stop thinking this though properly.
    When I was out with Blues today everyone was saying to MPs around us.."oh yes, everyone loves you" and then tweeting "great day blah blah blah." It was a 50/50 day, no more.

    It might be a landslide, but 7 weeks is a long time.
    We all act as information filters and being human sucome to confirmation bias at lest some of the time.

    There is a real danger talking to people you agree with to much, which can be one of the big advantages of this site, but good as PB is its not totally immune form leaving you feeling overly/underly confidant.

    Are the activists you are out with, mostly the same team form 2015 or have many left/joined?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Earlier today I tipped the LDs in Cheadle at 14/1. Now 5/1 apparently.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    J don't want to sound cynical but have not Opinium just looked at other pollsters and decided they had better move theirs more into line but thought they would look a bit better if they still kept them at the extreme ends of the other pollsters figures .

    It is interesting that there was a sudden pre=announcement jump from the other pollsters, and now Opinium has had a post announcement jump.
    tlg86 said:

    Do you think they've changed the rules on this since last June? I do wonder why someone who's lived here for 25 years hasn't applied for British citizenship - did they not want to vote in our elections?
    It's not a requirement that people make such a firm choice. The facts will be very interesting, as it seems a strange decision, but headlines/initial reports on these things so often turn out to be more complicated.
    It's never more complicated: it's always the same reason.

    Immigration paperwork is heinously complicated. A specialist lawyer will charge about £500. It's a mistake to try and cut corners
    That's not cheap, but OTOH it isn't really such a vast sum of money. If you've already found the funds to move yourself & your life here, that should be well within reach, I'd have thought. Less than 4 years' TV licences.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,320
    kle4 said:

    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    Your view accords with my own, and is therefore clearly correct.
    That was the mistake opinion polls made two years ago.

    More seriously, there could be massive regional, even constituency variation this time given all the factors in play. It is eminently posiisble Labour will gain seats in London and lose them in Yorkshire. I will be wary of anecdotes unless the person telling them has visited a variety of seats.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    kle4 said:

    TrueBlue said:

    Sean_F said:

    murali_s said:

    Still expecting Labour 150 seats, Tories 400 seats. Nothing has changed in the campaign so far.

    When was the last time time Labour got under 200 seats at a GE? Must be a long way back.

    1935.
    I'm not feeling Labour meltdown on the streets. The key will be Labour supporters not voting. Lab at 25% and 190 seats lowest.
    Your view accords with my own, and is therefore clearly correct.
    It depends where you are. The Labour vote is probably holding up okay in inner London, Manchester, Liverpool, etc. Not many marginals there.
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