Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
That is one big fucking weakness, if he was some right wing candidate then it might fly but he is supposed to be soft left,
Reminds me of Rigsby in Rising Damp.
"Legal? It'll be compulsory next!"
One of the great sins of my life that I have watched little RIsing Damp. Always preferred BBC sitcoms from the 70's, but then most ITV ones were things like Robin's Nest. *Shudders*
The inter-action between Rigsby and the black man (name I forget) was masterful. If you can catch it on youtube you won't regret it.
Don Warrington was the actor IIRC, recently in Death in Paradise (a secret vice of mine).
Frances de la Tour also fantastic in that programme. And Leonard Rossiter was one of the greatest comic actors of any time and place.
The first three series of Rising Damp were classic... The final series... Not so much. Definitely seemed to go on one series too many.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
If Mr Farron does believe it to be sinful, all he has to say is that since believes it is sinful then he himself will not commit that sin but he will not attempt to enforce that view on others since their lives are theirs to live as they see fit. His opinion is personal matter only for him. Issue defused.
One of my friend's father is a very devout Christian, he openly admits homosexuality is an abomination/sex, but then says if God really didn't like homosexuals, he'd stop creating them, so up to that point, he'll treat homosexuals with the same respect he treats heterosexuals.
So by the same argument, God must like murderers, rapists and child abusers. Daft bugger.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
I know, she persuaded Mrs May, and Mrs May delivered.
Wow, she invented same sex marriage? "From my head to becoming the law"
Unfortunate last sentence phrasing but we get your thrust .... as it were ....
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
If Mr Farron does believe it to be sinful, all he has to say is that since believes it is sinful then he himself will not commit that sin but he will not attempt to enforce that view on others since their lives are theirs to live as they see fit. His opinion is personal matter only for him. Issue defused.
One of my friend's father is a very devout Christian, he openly admits homosexuality is an abomination/sex, but then says if God really didn't like homosexuals, he'd stop creating them, so up to that point, he'll treat homosexuals with the same respect he treats heterosexuals.
So by the same argument, God must like murderers, rapists and child abusers. Daft bugger.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
You're taking the likely retirement of George Osborne MP very hard.
Serious question. How bad could this turn out for Labour? The north London cabal of morons; Corbyn, Einstein Lammy, Kfc Abbott and Fourbellies are nailed on safe, but if Corbyn really drops some spectacular clangers where could the carnage end? Scotland is gone. The midlands are 95% history, Wales has got to have the potential for total disaster. His muzzie block vote and the cretinous sheep who put him in place will die for him. But what's the floor? 175? 150? 125? Is there a floor? He's is the most useless leader of any major party in a hundred years.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
If Mr Farron does believe it to be sinful, all he has to say is that since believes it is sinful then he himself will not commit that sin but he will not attempt to enforce that view on others since their lives are theirs to live as they see fit. His opinion is personal matter only for him. Issue defused.
One of my friend's father is a very devout Christian, he openly admits homosexuality is an abomination/sex, but then says if God really didn't like homosexuals, he'd stop creating them, so up to that point, he'll treat homosexuals with the same respect he treats heterosexuals.
Surely "if God really didn't like xes, he'd stop creating them" is equally valid for all values of x, such as serial killers and human traffickers? i.e. it's a crap argument?
I wouldn't myself vote for a politician who let it be known that he classified anything as "sinful"; not since those devout godbotherers George n Tony prayed together over their righteous decision to bomb the shit out of a lot of brownies.
One of my friend's father is a very devout Christian, he openly admits homosexuality is an abomination/sex, but then says if God really didn't like homosexuals, he'd stop creating them, so up to that point, he'll treat homosexuals with the same respect he treats heterosexuals.
I regard religion, especially proselytising, evangelical religion as an abomination and it is all God's fault.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
Jesus Christ, if there's one thing that will put potential Lib Dem voters off it's their leader having homophobic views.
Are Lib Dems somehow unaware that Farron is a God-botherer?
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
Jesus Christ, if there's one thing that will put potential Lib Dem voters off it's their leader having homophobic views.
Are Lib Dems somehow unaware that Farron is a God-botherer?
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
Jesus Christ, if there's one thing that will put potential Lib Dem voters off it's their leader having homophobic views.
Are Lib Dems somehow unaware that Farron is a God-botherer?
Not for long....
The congregation of the church of May will certainly be unaware. It might make them wonder if the Lib Dems are worth a second look.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
Iain is a good man who understands that some things are more important than politics and power. A lesson all ex chancellors could do with being reminded of.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
I may need to buy you a bowler hat
I have a bowler hat.
that explains a lot
I went to a Christmas fancy dress party, where the theme was the movies, so I went as Oddjob's brother Blow.
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
I doubt if that will be a major issue in this election.
It's the sort of thing that an avowedly right-on 18-24 year old Guardian/Indy reading student might get vexed about.
I recall many adverse comments about it, and him, in the days before Brexit consumed everything.
I would hope it was the sort of thing a normal human being might get vexed about. Have we timewarped back to the 1950s?
14m Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV Chris Bryant calls for Jeremy Corbyn not to take part in election debates if Theresa May isn't present as it just gives publicity to others
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
I may need to buy you a bowler hat
I have a bowler hat.
that explains a lot
I went to a Christmas fancy dress party, where the theme was the movies, so I went as Oddjob's brother Blow.
you could have gone as the randy Paisleyite in Cockwork Orange
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
I may need to buy you a bowler hat
I have a bowler hat.
that explains a lot
I went to a Christmas fancy dress party, where the theme was the movies, so I went as Oddjob's brother Blow.
you could have gone as the randy Paisleyite in Cockwork Orange
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
I may need to buy you a bowler hat
I have a bowler hat.
that explains a lot
I went to a Christmas fancy dress party, where the theme was the movies, so I went as Oddjob's brother Blow.
Were you aware of the Norwegian parody film, in which the bodyguard is a woman powerlifter called Blow Job?
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
On reflection hurrah for Mrs May and GE 2017, watching the re-runs of GE 2015 had seen them 'age' rather quickly and having watched that coverage through once or twice - a refreshed election night to watch and savour does appeal now.
Who will be the fat arse we can celebrate their demise this time? Who will be the beligerent Balls refuting suggestions he's lost his seat? Where will be Nuneaton?
I'm moving to Chingford and Woodford Green for the campaign, and campaigning for the Labour candidate so I can see IDS lose.
I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
you have an almost Ulsterlike attachment to a grudge.
I may need to buy you a bowler hat
I have a bowler hat.
that explains a lot
I have a large floppy straw hat with a big pink flower. So much more chic than a bowler...
On a lighter note I've been reading up on witch trials in central Scotland - which it turns out was the witch hunting capital of Europe - you were 4 times more likely to be accused of being a witch in this area than the European average:
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
There were other options, though they were more difficult to make convincingly.
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
On a lighter note I've been reading up on witch trials in central Scotland - which it turns out was the witch hunting capital of Europe - you were 4 times more likely to be accused of being a witch in this area than the European average:
On a lighter note I've been reading up on witch trials in central Scotland - which it turns out was the witch hunting capital of Europe - you were 4 times more likely to be accused of being a witch in this area than the European average:
On topic, aren't the CPS "considering" charges against more than 30 individuals because local police forces have submitted to the CPS reports on more than 30 individuals? It doesn't mean there will necessarily be a single charge flowing. Although, on here it does seem to be de rigeur to assume the guilt of people not yet even charged....
Quite so.
There again, there are some dorks on here who are blaming Theresa May for a court judgement where the judge said:
"The breaches themselves, if not trivial, are at a very low end of the scale and something which the court would be very loathed to send Ms Baker to prison for, if anything else could possibly work but this court cannot simply give repeat injunctions and allow people to go continuing begging, continuing to persist in a nuisance to the population, without some real teeth being given to the injunction."
I've no idea whether the judge was right, or not, but you really do have to carry partisan blindness to a quite spectacular degree to blame the PM for his judgement.
On a lighter note I've been reading up on witch trials in central Scotland - which it turns out was the witch hunting capital of Europe - you were 4 times more likely to be accused of being a witch in this area than the European average:
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
Tezza this morning said the reason she was calling this election was because the opposition in Parliament were making her life too hard.
All he had to do was agree with her.
"We will continure to oppose the Government in ways that will cause the PM to moderate her stance"
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
I know, she persuaded Mrs May, and Mrs May delivered.
Wow, she invented same sex marriage? "From my head to becoming the law"
I got halfway through typing a post to the same effect but then thought, 'WTF. She is so not worth even commenting on'
Everyone has tons of wonderful ideas. There is and has never been a shortage of wonderful ideas. The value accrues to those who take it from the drawing board to implementation. That is where both the skill and the sweat come in.
Agreed. He was trapped by his - and his party's - inflamed rhetoric. "The Tories eat babies! - but we want the baby eating to continue while we are having an internal debate about reselections"
Not very sellable. Labour have no choice but to agree to an election.
What? Since when did being consistent become an attribute of Corbynism? Surely the whole cult depends on not questioning anything the glorious leader says no matter how barking it is? History exists only for rewriting!!!
On the 'most surprising possible gain for the Conservatives' question discussed earlier I nominate Sedgefield.
You're not the first PBer to make that suggestion today.
In 1997 Labour took Thatcher's old seat, so there's precedent.
I thought of the Finchley precedent as well.
Do you think Clegg will stand again ?
Clegg's confirmed he's standing, as has Vince Cable.
Thanks.
I wonder if Cable standing will make RCS think again about the LibDems winning Twickenham.
There's quite a few Tory MPs pissed off that this snap election doesn't give them the full five year incumbency bonus.
The Crosby Textor Fullbrook polls showed that Twickenham might be a Lib Dem gain, I reckon Cable helps the Lib Dems retake it.
Waiting to 2020 would have meant some Conservative MPs would have problems finding a seat while others would lose some of the incumbency through boundary changes.
And those former Labour MPs who stood again in 2015 mostly flopped.
Agreed. He was trapped by his - and his party's - inflamed rhetoric. "The Tories eat babies! - but we want the baby eating to continue while we are having an internal debate about reselections"
Not very sellable. Labour have no choice but to agree to an election.
What? Since when did being consistent become an attribute of Corbynism? Surely the whole cult depends on not questioning anything the glorious leader says no matter how barking it is? History exists only for rewriting!!!
Its meant to be an attribute of Corbyn, who's appeal boils down to being 'different' from other politicians, and utterly consistent in his principles.
It'll come down to whether the broadcasters have the bottle to empty chair the PM.
They should invite her to all the debates. If she chooses to not attend, then fine. The opposition will have a couple of hours to discuss the merits of the government and all their good works ..
The media should put a marker down that no party leader gets a veto on the debates.
At one level I agree with that, but then I recall that the broadcasters failed to do this in the past when election debates were being mooted.As far back as 1966 the leaders failed to agree the terms of any debates, and this continued throughout the elections dominated by Thatcher, Major and Blair.There was an acceptance that the parties had the option of imposing a veto when it suited their interests. On what basis can the broadcasters seek now to impose their wishes on an unwilling part leader?
The broadcasters wish to invite party leaders to a debate. One party leader seeks to invalidate the debates.
Ergo :
If I invite some LibDems to view the dungeons of Auchentennach Castle and all but Mark Senior agree that such an educational and gastronomic tour de force is preferable to a lecture on the merits of bar charts, then with regret Mark doesn't get a veto.
Indeed- but surely the broadcasters could be accused of failling to act consistently given their past failure to empty chair Wilson , Heath, Thatcher, Major & Blair?
It's a view mi lud ....
Now Prime Minister .. You previously clearly stated a general election was not in the national interest. When exactly this weekend, after noting the 20+ point poll leads, did you change your mind?
Call my a cynic, but I think the British people will have a sneaking respect for a politician who so nakedly pursues power for its own sake, when given the opportunity.
It's when you bottle it, like Brown, that it becomes a negative.
Personally speaking, I rather WANT a devious, ruthless, lying, clever, hard-to-call bitch playing Britain's hand in the upcoming EU poker tournament.
On the timing you are correct.
On the principle of the PM effectively retaining the ability to call an election at will I take the opposite line. Whether the PM has a decent poker hand to play is open to question. I tend to the view that the government and EU are playing different games to entirely different audiences but both may either win or lose their respective games to different degrees.
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
I know, she persuaded Mrs May, and Mrs May delivered.
Wow, she invented same sex marriage? "From my head to becoming the law"
I got halfway through typing a post to the same effect but then thought, 'WTF. She is so not worth even commenting on'
Everyone has tons of wonderful ideas. There is and has never been a shortage of wonderful ideas. The value accrues to those who take it from the drawing board to implementation. That is where both the skill and the sweat come in.
She did that as well. Of course some more powerful people helped it along, but credit to her for winning their backing in the first place.
The only annoying thing about the snap election is that I won't have as much time as I wanted to work on my prediction methodology. But FWIW I currently have Con 370, Lab 192, LD 9, Grn/UKIP both holding 1. Although I expect by election day LD will be a fair bit higher and UKIP losing Clacton.
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
Tezza this morning said the reason she was calling this election was because the opposition in Parliament were making her life too hard.
All he had to do was agree with her.
"We will continure to oppose the Government in ways that will cause the PM to moderate her stance"
What a plonker
"And if she doesn't like it she can blame her manipulative twat of a predecessor for the FTPA".
I agree: that would put Tezz in a fix, with no obvious downside for Jezz.
Agreed. He was trapped by his - and his party's - inflamed rhetoric. "The Tories eat babies! - but we want the baby eating to continue while we are having an internal debate about reselections"
Not very sellable. Labour have no choice but to agree to an election.
What? Since when did being consistent become an attribute of Corbynism? Surely the whole cult depends on not questioning anything the glorious leader says no matter how barking it is? History exists only for rewriting!!!
Its meant to be an attribute of Corbyn, who's appeal boils down to being 'different' from other politicians, and utterly consistent in his principles.
Well then, he would have been better keeping the govt on a small majority where he might stand a chance of defeating them as opposed to trying to defeat them on 50 or 60+ majorities were they can simply pass any policy they like whilst Labour stand by watching helplessly.
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my £5
Ha! I think he's a disaster... I just don't see, here, what he can possibly do. The Fixed Terms Parliament Act was primarily to enable, where a coalition breaks down, an alternative Government to be formed without the outgoing PM preventing that.
For an opposition to a majority Government to say, as SeanT says, "let the baby eating continue until we've got our sh1t together" is ludicrous. Where I depart from Sean is that I don't think it's only because Corbyn is aggressive in his anti Tory rhetoric... same would have been the case in 2008 say had Act been in place then and Tories called upon by new PM Brown.
On the 'most surprising possible gain for the Conservatives' question discussed earlier I nominate Sedgefield.
You're not the first PBer to make that suggestion today.
In 1997 Labour took Thatcher's old seat, so there's precedent.
I thought of the Finchley precedent as well.
Do you think Clegg will stand again ?
Clegg's confirmed he's standing, as has Vince Cable.
Thanks.
I wonder if Cable standing will make RCS think again about the LibDems winning Twickenham.
There's quite a few Tory MPs pissed off that this snap election doesn't give them the full five year incumbency bonus.
The Crosby Textor Fullbrook polls showed that Twickenham might be a Lib Dem gain, I reckon Cable helps the Lib Dems retake it.
Waiting to 2020 would have meant some Conservative MPs would have problems finding a seat while others would lose some of the incumbency through boundary changes.
And those former Labour MPs who stood again in 2015 mostly flopped.
Re incumbency bonuses
I wonder if anyone's done a study on how quickly it builds and how soon it plateaus.
Though it probably varies depending on the turnover of the electorate - higher in city seats than rural.
Agreed. He was trapped by his - and his party's - inflamed rhetoric. "The Tories eat babies! - but we want the baby eating to continue while we are having an internal debate about reselections"
Not very sellable. Labour have no choice but to agree to an election.
What? Since when did being consistent become an attribute of Corbynism? Surely the whole cult depends on not questioning anything the glorious leader says no matter how barking it is? History exists only for rewriting!!!
Its meant to be an attribute of Corbyn, who's appeal boils down to being 'different' from other politicians, and utterly consistent in his principles.
Well then, he would have been better keeping the govt on a small majority where he might stand a chance of defeating them as opposed to trying to defeat them on 50 or 60+ majorities were they can simply pass any policy they like whilst Labour stand by watching helplessly.
The man's a fool.
He may really believe he has a chance to win...so yeah, either he's a fool, or we are all very very wrong.
On the 'most surprising possible gain for the Conservatives' question discussed earlier I nominate Sedgefield.
You're not the first PBer to make that suggestion today.
In 1997 Labour took Thatcher's old seat, so there's precedent.
I thought of the Finchley precedent as well.
Do you think Clegg will stand again ?
Clegg's confirmed he's standing, as has Vince Cable.
Thanks.
I wonder if Cable standing will make RCS think again about the LibDems winning Twickenham.
There's quite a few Tory MPs pissed off that this snap election doesn't give them the full five year incumbency bonus.
The Crosby Textor Fullbrook polls showed that Twickenham might be a Lib Dem gain, I reckon Cable helps the Lib Dems retake it.
Waiting to 2020 would have meant some Conservative MPs would have problems finding a seat while others would lose some of the incumbency through boundary changes.
And those former Labour MPs who stood again in 2015 mostly flopped.
Re incumbency bonuses
I wonder if anyone's done a study on how quickly it builds and how soon it plateaus.
Though it probably varies depending on the turnover of the electorate - higher in city seats than rural.
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my £5
Ha! I think he's a disaster... I just don't see, here, what he can possibly do. The Fixed Terms Parliament Act was primarily to enable, where a coalition breaks down, an alternative Government to be formed without the outgoing PM preventing that.
For an opposition to a majority Government to say, as SeanT says, "let the baby eating continue until we've got our sh1t together" is ludicrous. Where I depart from Sean is that I don't think it's only because Corbyn is aggressive in his anti Tory rhetoric... same would have been the case in 2008 say had Act been in place then and Tories called upon by new PM Brown.
He could have said 'I agree you're crap, but I'm not voting, so it's on you to vote down your own government first'.
On a lighter note I've been reading up on witch trials in central Scotland - which it turns out was the witch hunting capital of Europe - you were 4 times more likely to be accused of being a witch in this area than the European average:
Lets spare a thought for my MP, Rupa Huq. Majority of 254 over the Tories; nominated Corbyn for the leadership even though she supported Yvette Cooper. From a strictly personal point of view, not one of her best decisions ...
Cathy Newman @cathynewman For fourth time @timfarron struggled to give me a clear answer on if it's true he believes homosexuality is sinful #C4News #GeneralElection
This is why Mrs May should do the debate, get Farron on this topic, then remind the world it was Mrs May as Home Secretary that made same sex marriage legal.
I know, she persuaded Mrs May, and Mrs May delivered.
Wow, she invented same sex marriage? "From my head to becoming the law"
I got halfway through typing a post to the same effect but then thought, 'WTF. She is so not worth even commenting on'
Everyone has tons of wonderful ideas. There is and has never been a shortage of wonderful ideas. The value accrues to those who take it from the drawing board to implementation. That is where both the skill and the sweat come in.
She did that as well. Of course some more powerful people helped it along, but credit to her for winning their backing in the first place.
Thanks for the correction. I did not know the particulars of this case, but her posting seemed both naive and whiny.
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my £5
Ha! I think he's a disaster... I just don't see, here, what he can possibly do. The Fixed Terms Parliament Act was primarily to enable, where a coalition breaks down, an alternative Government to be formed without the outgoing PM preventing that.
For an opposition to a majority Government to say, as SeanT says, "let the baby eating continue until we've got our sh1t together" is ludicrous. Where I depart from Sean is that I don't think it's only because Corbyn is aggressive in his anti Tory rhetoric... same would have been the case in 2008 say had Act been in place then and Tories called upon by new PM Brown.
Put another way, what use is a political party that is unwilling to face the voters?
Has Corbyn had a bang to the head? Is he intellectually sub-normal in some way?
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
For once, Corbyn is right. You cannot possibly say a Tory Government is a wicked thing, crushing the poor and disabled under foot, then vote against a General Election. It may well be that it is a personal tragedy and a disaster for his party. But the response he gave was the only one open to him.
You are Jeremy Corbyn and I claim my £5
Ha! I think he's a disaster... I just don't see, here, what he can possibly do. The Fixed Terms Parliament Act was primarily to enable, where a coalition breaks down, an alternative Government to be formed without the outgoing PM preventing that.
For an opposition to a majority Government to say, as SeanT says, "let the baby eating continue until we've got our sh1t together" is ludicrous. Where I depart from Sean is that I don't think it's only because Corbyn is aggressive in his anti Tory rhetoric... same would have been the case in 2008 say had Act been in place then and Tories called upon by new PM Brown.
Others have said that Jezza seemed not taken by surprise by the day's events. Perhaps there was a secret deal? He was offered the choice of a G.E. now, provided he committed himself to voting with the govt on the FTPA tomorrow, or no attempt to call a G.E. and May ploughs on regardless.
Of course that would involve the tories being confident Jezza would keep his word...
If any MP is even just charged, surely in practice they couldn't stand at the GE (assuming charged before nominations close) as publicity would be too bad?
But will CPS now delay decision until after 8 June?
If an MP is re-elected and then charged re 2015 then if convicted it would still mean a by-election.
Ha! I think he's a disaster... I just don't see, here, what he can possibly do. The Fixed Terms Parliament Act was primarily to enable, where a coalition breaks down, an alternative Government to be formed without the outgoing PM preventing that.
For an opposition to a majority Government to say, as SeanT says, "let the baby eating continue until we've got our sh1t together" is ludicrous. Where I depart from Sean is that I don't think it's only because Corbyn is aggressive in his anti Tory rhetoric... same would have been the case in 2008 say had Act been in place then and Tories called upon by new PM Brown.
What he could do (because he could STILL do it) is get Labour to abstain tomorrow and leave Mrs May in a complete pickle of her own making. The PM who called an election and then failed to get it off the ground? The Tories would dispose of her if she did not go herself and the resulting chaos in the Tory party would take the spotlight off Labour and they would not be facing the loss of a quarter of their MPs
The turkey voted for a Xmas that he could have avoided.
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I'll be editing PB on general election night, and I'll headline it as 'Tory gain as IDS loses his seat'
You're taking the likely retirement of George Osborne MP very hard.
I may need to buy you a bowler hat
Still today's news means the coming of Labour's saviour has accelerated.
The Burgon ultimatum.
I wouldn't myself vote for a politician who let it be known that he classified anything as "sinful"; not since those devout godbotherers George n Tony prayed together over their righteous decision to bomb the shit out of a lot of brownies.
@paulwaugh: PLP debating how party should vote on May motion. I've been told several Lab MPs will abstain tmrw (cos same as voting against)
@paulwaugh: Corbyn tells MPs: we have to support May dissolution motion cos anything else is supporting a Tory govt. "Simple as that"
He really must be a Tory mole. Or the most stupid MP at Westminster (sorry Pete)
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He also thinks Diane Abbott is the right person to speak for Labour today.
Your point was again?
Is it red?
important than politics and power. A lesson all ex chancellors could do with being reminded of.
Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
Chris Bryant calls for Jeremy Corbyn not to take part in election debates if Theresa May isn't present as it just gives publicity to others
Burgon is just sub-human.
I wonder if Cable standing will make RCS think again about the LibDems winning Twickenham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Buljo
It's like the bbc and sky London liberal elite are out of touch with the public...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_early_modern_Scotland
The Crosby Textor Fullbrook polls showed that Twickenham might be a Lib Dem gain, I reckon Cable helps the Lib Dems retake it.
There again, there are some dorks on here who are blaming Theresa May for a court judgement where the judge said:
"The breaches themselves, if not trivial, are at a very low end of the scale and something which the court would be very loathed to send Ms Baker to prison for, if anything else could possibly work but this court cannot simply give repeat injunctions and allow people to go continuing begging, continuing to persist in a nuisance to the population, without some real teeth being given to the injunction."
I've no idea whether the judge was right, or not, but you really do have to carry partisan blindness to a quite spectacular degree to blame the PM for his judgement.
All he had to do was agree with her.
"We will continure to oppose the Government in ways that will cause the PM to moderate her stance"
What a plonker
Everyone has tons of wonderful ideas. There is and has never been a shortage of wonderful ideas. The value accrues to those who take it from the drawing board to implementation. That is where both the skill and the sweat come in.
And those former Labour MPs who stood again in 2015 mostly flopped.
On the principle of the PM effectively retaining the ability to call an election at will I take the opposite line. Whether the PM has a decent poker hand to play is open to question. I tend to the view that the government and EU are playing different games to entirely different audiences but both may either win or lose their respective games to different degrees.
Completely confusing and utterly unpredictable.
I agree: that would put Tezz in a fix, with no obvious downside for Jezz.
The man's a fool.
For an opposition to a majority Government to say, as SeanT says, "let the baby eating continue until we've got our sh1t together" is ludicrous. Where I depart from Sean is that I don't think it's only because Corbyn is aggressive in his anti Tory rhetoric... same would have been the case in 2008 say had Act been in place then and Tories called upon by new PM Brown.
I wonder if anyone's done a study on how quickly it builds and how soon it plateaus.
Though it probably varies depending on the turnover of the electorate - higher in city seats than rural.
If so, I'm guessing he'll win Sheffield Hallam at a canter.
I might even vote for him this time.
It does exist, a lot depends on the candidate.
Of course that would involve the tories being confident Jezza would keep his word...
But will CPS now delay decision until after 8 June?
If an MP is re-elected and then charged re 2015 then if convicted it would still mean a by-election.
The turkey voted for a Xmas that he could have avoided.
I will need JohnO's permission before I do.