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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642

    Bojabob said:

    Mortimer said:

    The idea that Angela Rayner could ever be leader of a political party is simply laughable. She is just a bang a drum trade unionist, isn't she.


    CUTS CRISIS AHHHH TORIES.

    Yeah these oiks should clear off and leave it for the poshos with PPE.
    Current PM is neither, nor was the last lady PM......
    Yep, they did other degrees at Oxford. Such diversity is why places like Stoke and Copeland feel abandoned by Westminster. Politics is for Oxford grads, not the rest of us.
    Lectures from Lib Dems on diversity! Whitest, malest party in the Hoc!
    True. But as they only have nine MPs they have a small pool. What percentage of the PCP are women?
    When the Lib Dems had more than 50 MPS, how many of them were black or ethnic minority?
    Very few. I don't deny the OP, I merely asked a question about the PCP.
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    Are misled QT viewing gamblers able to launch a legal claim against Dimbleby?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,030

    Popcorn!

    UKIP’s only MP dramatically conceded the Stoke by-election – saying the party’s new leader had lost to Labour. Douglas Carswell said it was “likely” Labour had held the seat just 45 minutes after the polls closed.

    UKIP’s Douglas Carswell shocked Question Time audiences when he claimed it was ‘likely’ Labour had held the Stoke seat It sparked an immediate bout of infighting, with claims he personally blocked a knighthood for Nigel Farage – which he denied. But it sets the stage for a fresh civil war today if the result is confirmed.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2943022/ukips-douglas-carswell-concedes-defeat-in-stoke-central-as-its-claimed-leader-paul-nuttall-could-finish-third/

    It takes a certain chutzpah, for a single member party to have a back bench rebellion.
    It takes a particular type of idiocy to think that the single MP of a minor party could '"personally block" a knighthood.
    Actually it is possible.

    A letter from an MP/Peer can delay/block an honour.

    They can explain why or if a further investigation is needed before awarding an honour.
    TSE, it sounds as though you speak from experience. Your hereditary peerage blocked again?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048

    Are misled QT viewing gamblers able to launch a legal claim against Dimbleby?

    It's ok, I'll spend their money wisely.
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    viewcode said:

    @isam, re postal vote sampling

    The election experts on here can explain it better than I can, but I think the theory goes like this:

    * Postal votes are sent in in an envelope.
    * Both the ballot paper and the envelope have a number on them
    * To verify it's a valid vote, the ballot paper is removed from the envelope and the numbers are compared
    * This takes place before the polls close (is that still the case?)
    * The party election agents are allowed to witness this process and they make guesstimates.
    * They are not allowed to discuss this (before the poll closes)
    * It's a good forward indicator of the election result, and correctly predicted ScotInd14 and EUREF16.

    If any of the above is inaccurate, somebody on here will say

    There's two envelopes. Only the outer envelope is checked before the ballots close to check they match up. (Verification stage)

    The second envelope, with the ballot paper, isn't opened until the ballots close.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,601
    viewcode said:

    @isam, re postal vote sampling

    The election experts on here can explain it better than I can, but I think the theory goes like this:

    * Postal votes are sent in in an envelope.
    * Both the ballot paper and the envelope have a number on them
    * To verify it's a valid vote, the ballot paper is removed from the envelope and the numbers are compared
    * This takes place before the polls close (is that still the case?)
    * The party election agents are allowed to witness this process and they make guesstimates.
    * They are not allowed to discuss this (before the poll closes)
    * It's a good forward indicator of the election result, and correctly predicted ScotInd14 and EUREF16.

    If any of the above is inaccurate, somebody on here will say

    As I said below, the papers are supposed to be kept face down. Of course, if the opening is sloppy, the occasional paper may briefly be held face up, but usually you only get to see one end of it and only for an instant. At a well managed PV verification you might come away having glimpsed a small handful of votes. You might persuade yourself that a potentially skewed sample of a handful of votes is meaningful, and it is of course human nature to want to tell your mates you have privileged inside information (so Chinese whispers exaggerates the meaningfulness of the info as it gets passed around) but the bottom line is that, unless the counters are incompetent, a party activist attending a PV verification will come away with next to no useful information.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Sensible Labour source says game over in Copeland but confident Ukip could come third in Stoke - don't shoot the messenger.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    If this Hodges-like speculation is likely to continue for hours, I might turn in. I either wake up tomorrow quids-in, or Corbyn is surely gone. Win-win.
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    RobD said:

    Popcorn!

    UKIP’s only MP dramatically conceded the Stoke by-election – saying the party’s new leader had lost to Labour. Douglas Carswell said it was “likely” Labour had held the seat just 45 minutes after the polls closed.

    UKIP’s Douglas Carswell shocked Question Time audiences when he claimed it was ‘likely’ Labour had held the Stoke seat It sparked an immediate bout of infighting, with claims he personally blocked a knighthood for Nigel Farage – which he denied. But it sets the stage for a fresh civil war today if the result is confirmed.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2943022/ukips-douglas-carswell-concedes-defeat-in-stoke-central-as-its-claimed-leader-paul-nuttall-could-finish-third/

    It takes a certain chutzpah, for a single member party to have a back bench rebellion.
    It takes a particular type of idiocy to think that the single MP of a minor party could '"personally block" a knighthood.
    Actually it is possible.

    A letter from an MP/Peer can delay/block an honour.

    They can explain why or if a further investigation is needed before awarding an honour.
    TSE, it sounds as though you speak from experience. Your hereditary peerage blocked again?
    No. But I had heard this rumour a few weeks ago and I had been told how it is possible.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    My prediction for Copeland (made last December): Tories to win by 3,500.

    Erm... at least I *might* have got the winning side right...?
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    Dromey claiming a Labour victory in Stoke is turning the tide ....

    in stoke central

    stoke.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Dan Hodges saying Tories are ahead, Adam Bienkov saying Labour are ahead

    ?!?!?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Ann Widdicombe and New Order....too weird....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,030

    RobD said:

    Popcorn!

    UKIP’s only MP dramatically conceded the Stoke by-election – saying the party’s new leader had lost to Labour. Douglas Carswell said it was “likely” Labour had held the seat just 45 minutes after the polls closed.

    UKIP’s Douglas Carswell shocked Question Time audiences when he claimed it was ‘likely’ Labour had held the Stoke seat It sparked an immediate bout of infighting, with claims he personally blocked a knighthood for Nigel Farage – which he denied. But it sets the stage for a fresh civil war today if the result is confirmed.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2943022/ukips-douglas-carswell-concedes-defeat-in-stoke-central-as-its-claimed-leader-paul-nuttall-could-finish-third/

    It takes a certain chutzpah, for a single member party to have a back bench rebellion.
    It takes a particular type of idiocy to think that the single MP of a minor party could '"personally block" a knighthood.
    Actually it is possible.

    A letter from an MP/Peer can delay/block an honour.

    They can explain why or if a further investigation is needed before awarding an honour.
    TSE, it sounds as though you speak from experience. Your hereditary peerage blocked again?
    No. But I had heard this rumour a few weeks ago and I had been told how it is possible.
    Ah I see. Someone clearly has it in for our JohnO!
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883
    The fat lady is singing in Copeland on Betfair.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960

    Dromey claiming a Labour victory in Stoke is turning the tide ....

    in stoke central

    stoke.

    Hilarious.

    Especially if (please please for the sake of my SPIN account) the Tories sneak 2nd....
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    Popcorn!

    UKIP’s only MP dramatically conceded the Stoke by-election – saying the party’s new leader had lost to Labour. Douglas Carswell said it was “likely” Labour had held the seat just 45 minutes after the polls closed.

    UKIP’s Douglas Carswell shocked Question Time audiences when he claimed it was ‘likely’ Labour had held the Stoke seat It sparked an immediate bout of infighting, with claims he personally blocked a knighthood for Nigel Farage – which he denied. But it sets the stage for a fresh civil war today if the result is confirmed.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2943022/ukips-douglas-carswell-concedes-defeat-in-stoke-central-as-its-claimed-leader-paul-nuttall-could-finish-third/

    It takes a certain chutzpah, for a single member party to have a back bench rebellion.
    It takes a particular type of idiocy to think that the single MP of a minor party could '"personally block" a knighthood.
    Actually it is possible.

    A letter from an MP/Peer can delay/block an honour.

    They can explain why or if a further investigation is needed before awarding an honour.
    https://twitter.com/IsabelOakeshott/status/834915346763157504
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    Artist said:

    The fat lady is singing in Copeland on Betfair.

    Can you explain to someone who doesnt bet please
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Dromey claiming a Labour victory in Stoke is turning the tide ....

    in stoke central

    stoke.

    Presumably crowing over the state if Ukip?

    This is what Labour has been reduced to. They can't even contemplate mounting a serious challenge to the Conservatives.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Express say v close Ukip and Labour w Tories distant 3rd

    https://twitter.com/charliebayliss_/status/834913314299863040
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,307
    Danny565 said:

    Dan Hodges saying Tories are ahead, Adam Bienkov saying Labour are ahead

    ?!?!?

    https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/834915201728327681
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    edited February 2017
    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, re postal vote sampling

    The election experts on here can explain it better than I can, but I think the theory goes like this:

    * Postal votes are sent in in an envelope.
    * Both the ballot paper and the envelope have a number on them
    * To verify it's a valid vote, the ballot paper is removed from the envelope and the numbers are compared
    * This takes place before the polls close (is that still the case?)
    * The party election agents are allowed to witness this process and they make guesstimates.
    * They are not allowed to discuss this (before the poll closes)
    * It's a good forward indicator of the election result, and correctly predicted ScotInd14 and EUREF16.

    If any of the above is inaccurate, somebody on here will say

    As I said below, the papers are supposed to be kept face down. Of course, if the opening is sloppy, the occasional paper may briefly be held face up, but usually you only get to see one end of it and only for an instant. At a well managed PV verification you might come away having glimpsed a small handful of votes. You might persuade yourself that a potentially skewed sample of a handful of votes is meaningful, and it is of course human nature to want to tell your mates you have privileged inside information (so Chinese whispers exaggerates the meaningfulness of the info as it gets passed around) but the bottom line is that, unless the counters are incompetent, a party activist attending a PV verification will come away with next to no useful information.
    Labour List (or Uncut?) had a story during the 2015 GE campaign about party staff gleaning info from pen marks visible through the ballot papers. Their sources predicted Labour doing poorly.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited February 2017
    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    It is in part the age mix. Certainly in Leics, the County is demographically older and richer, and whiter too though I think ethnicity not an issue in Copeland.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/834778157123244033

    Daily Mail outsourcing its bar charts to the Lib Dem graphic design team.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited February 2017
    Alan Johnson joining the Justin Short Straws club re: polling lead for the Tories, on This Week.
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    Everyone has stopped hedging on Twitter and claiming that the Tories have taken Copeland.

    UKIP possible third in Stoke?
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    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Its 'enemy of my enemy' - posh urban leftists and poor rural voters.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    If Corbyn contrives to lose Copeland he has no-one to blame but himself and his laughable acolytes from the insane Hard Left wing of the party. Let him blame the 'Blairites', the Old Right, the Soft Left, the Union Right: he will just expose himself as a clown. I fucking hate the PBism 'popcorn' but if there is any time to grazing on saccharine superheated maize kernels, this is likely to be it.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    The mood music is very good for us blues in Copeland, isnt it...
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,601
    edited February 2017

    viewcode said:

    @isam, re postal vote sampling

    The election experts on here can explain it better than I can, but I think the theory goes like this:

    * Postal votes are sent in in an envelope.
    * Both the ballot paper and the envelope have a number on them
    * To verify it's a valid vote, the ballot paper is removed from the envelope and the numbers are compared
    * This takes place before the polls close (is that still the case?)
    * The party election agents are allowed to witness this process and they make guesstimates.
    * They are not allowed to discuss this (before the poll closes)
    * It's a good forward indicator of the election result, and correctly predicted ScotInd14 and EUREF16.

    If any of the above is inaccurate, somebody on here will say

    There's two envelopes. Only the outer envelope is checked before the ballots close to check they match up. (Verification stage)

    The second envelope, with the ballot paper, isn't opened until the ballots close.
    That isn't right.

    For the real anoraks, the full instructions are here: (page 36)

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/141983/LGEW-MAY-RO-Part-D-Absent-voting.pdf
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    That is a good question, as the farmland is not lush Leicestershire Wolds or East Anglian cereal fields.

    The hill farms will be small and poor, and the farmers not very well off.
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    edited February 2017
    If anyone wants to get on Conservatives in Copeland, much better odds at Smarkets (jumping around, 1.27 now vs 1.19 at Betfair, but I got on at quite a bit higher - sufficiently so that I suspect a "malfunction" will be declared.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,068
    isam said:

    Express say v close Ukip and Labour w Tories distant 3rd

    https://twitter.com/charliebayliss_/status/834913314299863040

    Express long ago ceased to be at all serious.
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    9000 postal votes in Copeland which are likely to favour conservatives
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Mortimer said:

    The mood music is very good for us blues in Copeland, isnt it...

    Phil , is that you?
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    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    Copeland turnout 40-50%
    9,000 postal votes
    - Sky
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    If UKIP are third then as I've thought post-referendum the party is deceased and void of purpose. Time to shut up shop, disband and celebrate Article 50 and a mission accomplished.
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    dixiedean said:

    isam said:

    Express say v close Ukip and Labour w Tories distant 3rd

    https://twitter.com/charliebayliss_/status/834913314299863040

    Express long ago ceased to be at all serious.
    Express have been saying UKIP would win with massive majority
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Scott_P said:

    Mortimer said:

    The mood music is very good for us blues in Copeland, isnt it...

    Phil , is that you?
    LOL.

    Took me a while, but I got there in the end....
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    Copeland - all boxes in result 3.00 or earlier
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iankatz1000: Interesting strategy: if Lab loses one of bylelections Corbyn team planning concerted attack on Blairites reports @nicholaswatt #newsnight

    @Jake_Wilde: I heard they asked Ken to draw up the strategy and he called it Codename Final Solution twitter.com/iankatz1000/st…
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,601
    NeilVW said:

    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    @isam, re postal vote sampling

    The election experts on here can explain it better than I can, but I think the theory goes like this:

    * Postal votes are sent in in an envelope.
    * Both the ballot paper and the envelope have a number on them
    * To verify it's a valid vote, the ballot paper is removed from the envelope and the numbers are compared
    * This takes place before the polls close (is that still the case?)
    * The party election agents are allowed to witness this process and they make guesstimates.
    * They are not allowed to discuss this (before the poll closes)
    * It's a good forward indicator of the election result, and correctly predicted ScotInd14 and EUREF16.

    If any of the above is inaccurate, somebody on here will say

    As I said below, the papers are supposed to be kept face down. Of course, if the opening is sloppy, the occasional paper may briefly be held face up, but usually you only get to see one end of it and only for an instant. At a well managed PV verification you might come away having glimpsed a small handful of votes. You might persuade yourself that a potentially skewed sample of a handful of votes is meaningful, and it is of course human nature to want to tell your mates you have privileged inside information (so Chinese whispers exaggerates the meaningfulness of the info as it gets passed around) but the bottom line is that, unless the counters are incompetent, a party activist attending a PV verification will come away with next to no useful information.
    Labour List (or Uncut?) had a story during the 2015 GE campaign about party staff gleaning info from pen marks visible through the ballot papers. Their sources predicted Labour doing poorly.
    Maybe, but I doubt it was meaningful.

    You're the party activist who decides (or who is sent) to watch the opening (noting that there are usual several different openings with papers opened in batches). When you get back to base everyone is desperate to hear how things are going (disregarding that telling them isn't legal anyway). You haven't seen that much but the pressure to say something like "well I only saw a few votes but party X seemed to be doing well" is heavy. Three persons down the conversation chain and this turns into "Fred went to the PV count and party X was winning them".
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @iainjwatson: Ok for what it's worth well placed Labour source who felt #Copeland was neck and neck earlier now expects a Conservative win
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 726
    edited February 2017
    delete - SNAFU
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    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642

    Artist said:

    The fat lady is singing in Copeland on Betfair.

    Can you explain to someone who doesnt bet please
    He means that the Tory price is now so short and Labour's so long that the Tory victory looks certain, as far as the betting markets are concerned (not that they were right in the EU Ref)
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    Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    RobD said:

    Popcorn!

    UKIP’s only MP dramatically conceded the Stoke by-election – saying the party’s new leader had lost to Labour. Douglas Carswell said it was “likely” Labour had held the seat just 45 minutes after the polls closed.

    UKIP’s Douglas Carswell shocked Question Time audiences when he claimed it was ‘likely’ Labour had held the Stoke seat It sparked an immediate bout of infighting, with claims he personally blocked a knighthood for Nigel Farage – which he denied. But it sets the stage for a fresh civil war today if the result is confirmed.


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2943022/ukips-douglas-carswell-concedes-defeat-in-stoke-central-as-its-claimed-leader-paul-nuttall-could-finish-third/

    It takes a certain chutzpah, for a single member party to have a back bench rebellion.
    It takes a particular type of idiocy to think that the single MP of a minor party could '"personally block" a knighthood.
    Actually it is possible.

    A letter from an MP/Peer can delay/block an honour.

    They can explain why or if a further investigation is needed before awarding an honour.
    TSE, it sounds as though you speak from experience. Your hereditary peerage blocked again?
    No. But I had heard this rumour a few weeks ago and I had been told how it is possible.
    If true then Carswell has gone up in my estimation. It would be an outrage for a man as dishonourable as Farage to be given any sort of honour
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    HYUFD said:
    Looks like I might lose my bet with @isam but should be a nice little profit overall.
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    Bojabob said:

    Artist said:

    The fat lady is singing in Copeland on Betfair.

    Can you explain to someone who doesnt bet please
    He means that the Tory price is now so short and Labour's so long that the Tory victory looks certain, as far as the betting markets are concerned (not that they were right in the EU Ref)
    Thanks for that
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Close second in Stoke and Nuttall just about lives to fight another day.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: Stoke Central seeming more and more likely to be a Labour hold, possibly with a majority of a few thousand
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,587

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    Also far fewer public sector workers.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tories 200 in Stoke
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,934
    Coin toss in Copeland.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jessicaelgot: Labour saying it looks like Ukip are second in Stoke, there was some early rumours the Tories could have beaten them.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    @jessicaelgot: Labour saying it looks like Ukip are second in Stoke, there was some early rumours the Tories could have beaten them.

    Well, I got that one right, at least.
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    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    And Labour often don't even try - though some surprising council areas were Labour in the days when agricultural labourers existed in significant numbers. Now there's barely anyone in the party who can point out why an article called "Britain’s Future Must Speak For Both Englands - The Towns And The Cities" is missing a large proportion of the population out. (I'm looking at you, Lisa Nandy).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    Recount territory?
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    DanSmith said:

    Close second in Stoke and Nuttall just about lives to fight another day.

    The knives will be out imo, his media image has taken one hell of a bashing.
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    38% turnout in Stoke, apparently.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    38% turnout in Stoke, apparently.

    Wow that's a lot more than people were predicting
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    38% turnout in Stoke, apparently.

    Does that favour UKIP or Labour?
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    And Labour often don't even try - though some surprising council areas were Labour in the days when agricultural labourers existed in significant numbers. Now there's barely anyone in the party who can point out why an article called "Britain’s Future Must Speak For Both Englands - The Towns And The Cities" is missing a large proportion of the population out. (I'm looking at you, Lisa Nandy).
    What proportion of the population do you think lives outside towns and cities?
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    Turnout in Stoke is 38%

    At Stoke Fiona Ledden, the acting returning officer, has just announced the turnout figures.

    There were 21,200 ballots cast - 4,335 postal votes and 16,865 polling station votes.

    That amounts to a turnout of 38.16%.

    That’s is reasonably good for a byelection held on the day of a severe storm.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,322
    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,048
    Blimey glad I didn't bet on turnout in Stoke. Sub 34% looked like an absolute rick.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,030
    MikeL said:

    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.

    What party wouldn't want such a highly decorated man at the helm? :smiley:
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Stoke turnout: 38.16%. Reports of 20% total nonsense.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Bojabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    And Labour often don't even try - though some surprising council areas were Labour in the days when agricultural labourers existed in significant numbers. Now there's barely anyone in the party who can point out why an article called "Britain’s Future Must Speak For Both Englands - The Towns And The Cities" is missing a large proportion of the population out. (I'm looking at you, Lisa Nandy).
    What proportion of the population do you think lives outside towns and cities?
    Back with another new name????
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    38% turnout in Stoke, apparently.

    Higher than Sleaford, amazingly.
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    MikeL said:

    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.

    Yes, by the media, who assumed that because he was working class, other working class people would naturally vote for him...
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    AndyJS said:

    Stoke turnout: 38.16%. Reports of 20% total nonsense.

    20% of the votes were Postal votes.. what does that tell us?

    Have you got a spreadsheet that means I don't have to think???!!
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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Mortimer said:

    Bojabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    And Labour often don't even try - though some surprising council areas were Labour in the days when agricultural labourers existed in significant numbers. Now there's barely anyone in the party who can point out why an article called "Britain’s Future Must Speak For Both Englands - The Towns And The Cities" is missing a large proportion of the population out. (I'm looking at you, Lisa Nandy).
    What proportion of the population do you think lives outside towns and cities?
    Back with another new name????
    Ish. I explain upthread!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    Bojabob said:

    Mortimer said:

    Bojabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    And Labour often don't even try - though some surprising council areas were Labour in the days when agricultural labourers existed in significant numbers. Now there's barely anyone in the party who can point out why an article called "Britain’s Future Must Speak For Both Englands - The Towns And The Cities" is missing a large proportion of the population out. (I'm looking at you, Lisa Nandy).
    What proportion of the population do you think lives outside towns and cities?
    Back with another new name????
    Ish. I explain upthread!
    If you keep losing letters at the current rate your username will be BoB before the next Labour government.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    That is a good question, as the farmland is not lush Leicestershire Wolds or East Anglian cereal fields.

    The hill farms will be small and poor, and the farmers not very well off.
    the avreage farmer only earns £25,000
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    Bojabob said:

    MikeL said:

    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.

    Yes, by the media, who assumed that because he was working class, other working class people would naturally vote for him...

    It was always a very patronising, middle class view that a Scouse accent would have erstwhile working class Labour voters flocking to UKIP.

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    BojabobBojabob Posts: 642
    Mortimer said:

    Bojabob said:

    Mortimer said:

    Bojabob said:

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    why are rurual areas so Tory? Some areas are very wealthy but aren't most rurual areas avreage?

    Because most rural areas are culturally conservative.
    They tend to be older, whiter, and see less visible benefit from public spending - big buildings go in the most urban areas on a "bang for your buck" principles, whereas the mere fact it costs more to deliver services like social care when you have to drive for miles to do it goes unnoticed.
    Rural areas don't have same history of being unionised, generally speaking.
    And Labour often don't even try - though some surprising council areas were Labour in the days when agricultural labourers existed in significant numbers. Now there's barely anyone in the party who can point out why an article called "Britain’s Future Must Speak For Both Englands - The Towns And The Cities" is missing a large proportion of the population out. (I'm looking at you, Lisa Nandy).
    What proportion of the population do you think lives outside towns and cities?
    Back with another new name????
    Ish. I explain upthread!
    If you keep losing letters at the current rate your username will be BoB before the next Labour government.
    B at best :)
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    AndyJS said:

    Stoke turnout: 38.16%. Reports of 20% total nonsense.

    Well it was Faisal Islam - says it all really
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    Bojabob said:

    MikeL said:

    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.

    Yes, by the media, who assumed that because he was working class, other working class people would naturally vote for him...
    Overlooking the track record of Jeffrey Archer style invented back story and false claims over Hillsborough. People love that.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960

    Bojabob said:

    MikeL said:

    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.

    Yes, by the media, who assumed that because he was working class, other working class people would naturally vote for him...

    It was always a very patronising, middle class view that a Scouse accent would have erstwhile working class Labour voters flocking to UKIP.

    By your own definition, does this count as virtue signalling?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,030

    AndyJS said:

    Stoke turnout: 38.16%. Reports of 20% total nonsense.

    Well it was Faisal Islam - says it all really
    Surprised the news wasn't broken in a nine-part tweet ;)
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,601
    edited February 2017
    viewcode said:
    There is tons of documentation on the Electoral Commission website, covering every aspect of the electoral process with separate guidance aimed at and written for candidates, agents, and returning officers, as well as stuff for voters. They are generally exceptionally clear, concise and well written; a model for other public services.

    I wish they would market themselves out to write instruction manuals for DVD players and double ovens.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,329
    Bojabob said:

    MikeL said:

    It's worth recalling that when Nuttall was elected UKIP leader he was seen as a huge electoral plus for UKIP.

    Yes, by the media, who assumed that because he was working class, other working class people would naturally vote for him...
    It's unfair on Big G but I still love this comment:

    I do not support UKIP at all but I do think Paul Nuttall will devastate labour in their heartlands with his scouse accent and appeal to the WWC vote.

    http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1359669/#Comment_1359669
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