David Dimbleby just said Labour have held Copeland, if the Tories win it can we finally send him off to a dignified retirement and get Andrew Neil on, especially given his coverage of the by elections has not even started yet!!
You made it back from Stoke then Sunil? @JackW was very concerned about you earlier.
Oh? I'm fine if a little chilled
I was at Doncaster, Knottingley, Wakefield Kirkgate and Leeds stations today. Grand Central train due at Donny at 1224 towards Pontefract, Wakefield and Bradford didn't turn up by 1.30, so I returned to Leeds
Now the National’s sales have collapsed. ..... In 2015 the paper sold an average of 12,124 per edition. In 2016 that fell to 8,496.
With Nationalists keen to talk up the supposed inevitability of a second referendum, and to claim that there is some great clamour for another vote when there isn’t, it is interesting that the National is tanking and is outsold by the Greenock Telegraph local newspaper.
I really hope Labour don't overdo it if, as I expect, they win both. It really should not be difficult in these seats, and I think the leadership seem to know that, but the online Corbynistas may well explode at the 'triumph'.
Now the National’s sales have collapsed. ..... In 2015 the paper sold an average of 12,124 per edition. In 2016 that fell to 8,496.
With Nationalists keen to talk up the supposed inevitability of a second referendum, and to claim that there is some great clamour for another vote when there isn’t, it is interesting that the National is tanking and is outsold by the Greenock Telegraph local newspaper.
Well that was nice to be able to back the Tories at over Evens in Copeland.
Pile the money in there, pretty sure Dimbleby has got this wrong.
Well this gaffe is made for 'Have I got News for You' if wrong, could finally end Dimbleby's career. He should have handed over to Neil and you can be sure Neil will not be calling Copeland until he is pretty certain of the result
Adam Payne ✔ @adampayne26 Labour source: activists got positive feedback in an area that was strong-UKIP in 2015. Turnout holding up too. More positive for Labour.
If there is enough preliminary signs and mood music to state Labour have held Copeland with such confidence, then it surely isn't even close? I'd hope that was not the case at least, since as much as I didn't think the Tories would win, and that a lot of people wanted it to be more exciting than it was, it would be depressing for so much commentary to be even more wasted than it usually is.
Adam Payne ✔ @adampayne26 Labour source: activists got positive feedback in an area that was strong-UKIP in 2015. Turnout holding up too. More positive for Labour.
Christ. Labour activists keep mistaking people being nice to them for actual support. When will they learn?
Sounds like Dimblebum talking out of his bum to me.
Amazing that so many punters actually listen to the old duffer.
We saw it on general election. Con held Nuneaton with an increased majority, I called Tory majority, but the BBC/Sky/ITV still had a big banner on screen saying 'Hung Parliament'
Lib Dems are doing very well in locals and if the conservatives do not win Copeland, the NHS has to become number one with Theresa May once she has served A50
Let's hope @Danny565 is right and a defeat in Copeland is enough to see off Corbyn. The PLP should guarantee nominations to Rebecca Long-Bailey. Think Nandy would beat her. Took the 11/4 on the Labour double a few days back but neither hope nor expect to win it. Labour will hold Stoke by about 1,000 votes I think.
Sounds like Dimblebum talking out of his bum to me.
Amazing that so many punters actually listen to the old duffer.
We saw it on general election. Con held Nuneaton with an increased majority, I called Tory majority, but the BBC/Sky/ITV still had a big banner on screen saying 'Hung Parliament'
So Tory majority on Betfair was close to 2/1
Kerching.
Dimbleby's guff (Which I wasn't even watching) allowed me to get the Tories from -160 odd to + 70 on Betfair at around 1.9 or so though :>
Probably. But even accepting this is a by-election and not a GE, will Corbyn's negative impact show itself at parliamentary level at some point at all? If the holds are fairly comfortable, then despite all the panic the seats were not really in danger, and Corbyn has more ammunition to suggest people are talking bollocks when they say he will lead them to disaster, and the Tories may well look hubristic.
Adam Payne ✔ @adampayne26 Labour source: activists got positive feedback in an area that was strong-UKIP in 2015. Turnout holding up too. More positive for Labour.
Christ. Labour activists keep mistaking people being nice to them for actual support. When will they learn?
Haha.
I remember my first time telling outside a polling box. The other tellers were always very nice indeed.
Always get the odd voter who thinks having someone (even as diminutive as me) outside a poll booth with a rosette on is a massive affront to democracy. Always worth a collective teller laugh.
Let's hope @Danny565 is right and a defeat in Copeland is enough to see off Corbyn. The PLP should guarantee nominations to Rebecca Long-Bailey. Think Nandy would beat her. Took the 11/4 on the Labour double a few days back but neither hope nor expect to win it. Labour will hold Stoke by about 1,000 votes I think.
Lib Dems are doing very well in locals and if the conservatives do not win Copeland, the NHS has to become number one with Theresa May once she has served A50
And to be more accurate social care as that impacts on local government and directly affects the NHS
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Labour should be romping home in midterm by-elections in seats they've held since the 1930s, IMO.
I confess, I thought Carswell would have been out of UKIP by now.
I voted in that by election.
In 2015, the Tories polled 600 more than the entire turnout for today's by election.
I was at Doncaster, Knottingley, Wakefield Kirkgate and Leeds stations today. Grand Central train due at Donny at 1224 towards Pontefract, Wakefield and Bradford didn't turn up by 1.30, so I returned to Leeds
Wouldn't happen in a general...
Now the National’s sales have collapsed. ..... In 2015 the paper sold an average of 12,124 per edition. In 2016 that fell to 8,496.
With Nationalists keen to talk up the supposed inevitability of a second referendum, and to claim that there is some great clamour for another vote when there isn’t, it is interesting that the National is tanking and is outsold by the Greenock Telegraph local newspaper.
https://reaction.life/oops-sales-snp-propaganda-newspaper-national-plummet-30/
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/834903385992110082
which part of stoke did BNP win in?
I thought it's normally recorded at about 7pm?
I'd rather read a quality paper with an editorial line I disagree with than buy the National.
Unless this episode was for some reason live? I always imagined it was not live because the odd unpredictable comment might have to be cut out....
Some compensation even if Lab lose Copeland
Off to bed now
Labour source: activists got positive feedback in an area that was strong-UKIP in 2015. Turnout holding up too. More positive for Labour.
Amazing that so many punters actually listen to the old duffer.
A misunderstanding between journos i recon
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/834906224185470976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017
So Tory majority on Betfair was close to 2/1
Kerching.
I remember my first time telling outside a polling box. The other tellers were always very nice indeed.
Always get the odd voter who thinks having someone (even as diminutive as me) outside a poll booth with a rosette on is a massive affront to democracy. Always worth a collective teller laugh.
Market jumping all over the place on Copeland - Stoke is on only going up for Labour they are now at 90%