Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?
Was William Thackery Makepeace involved in the arts?
Clinton leads Trump by 3 percentage points in an average of live-interview telephone polls conducted over the last three weeks. In the same nine polls, Trump is carrying independent voters by an average of 7 points.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Because he was white? :-)
No, because he was a fantastic singer and a flamboyant entertainer
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
We can't stop Indians being racist.
I am not sure it is racist to believe that Rudyard Kipling was not an Indian. I would be very surprised if he considered himself an Indian. Maybe Anglo-Indian, but that is very different.
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.
Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.
It's about (a) respecting the principle that each party is allocated certain committee slots and they don't screw around with the people selected by the other side (in the same way that Labour doesn't press whoever in Government is being embarrassing onto a Tory slot) and (b) the view that as he hasn't been convicted or indeed charged with anything, it's unfair to do more than has already been done, i.e. getting him to stand down as chair. If all MPs who have behaved with poor judgment in their personal lives were to be blocked from committee work, the committees would suffer more than MPs. This is not a paid position and nobody argues that he is not reasonably well-informed about the issue, so likely to play a useful part.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
I have no idea. Certainly I would count an Indian born in Britain as British. I see no reason why the reverse should not be true unless there is a specific legal impediment.
I am not sure I agree. I would certainly see anyone of Indian descent born here as British, but Brits born in India tended not to be members of families that had emigrated there to build new lives and to settle permanently, but to take part - in one way or another - in an unelected government of occupation.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?
Was William Thackery Makepeace involved in the arts?
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
I am not sure I agree. I would certainly see anyone of Indian descent born here as British, but Brits born in India tended not to be members of families that had emigrated there to build new lives and to settle permanently, but to take part - in one way or another - in an unelected government of occupation.
Sorry but if anyone said that about a second generation Indian in the UK they would rightly be attacked for it. I am afraid you are trying to draw distinctions which are both invalid and rather offensive just to suit your argument.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?
Was William Thackery Makepeace involved in the arts?
Is Vanity Fair politics or art?
It's art, indubitably, but written by William Makepeace Thackeray.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Because he was white? :-)
No - he was Parsi of Parsi descent.
One of the ironies of Brexit is that both Hannan and Carswell were born abroad - in Peru and Uganda, respectively.
And Farage is of Huguenot descent.
Both know the world is much bigger than just the EU. Very sensible.
Whilst that'd normally have GOP strategists reaching for the sick bucket it is actually decent for Trump given his weakness with Latino voters.
A better poll for Trump but these small sample sizes irk me and more importantly is their structural weakness in polling Hispanics.
Latest Florida votes
Mail Provided (Not .. 436,754 516,412 31,045 289,185 Voted Vote-by-Mail 865,187 793,105 51,842 344,385 Voted Early in person 783,416 839,572 46,617 353,397
With the Republican lead in Voted by mail now up to 72,000 and the Democrat lead in Voted early 56,000 I think that this is better for the Republicans (who only held a net 9000 lead a couple of days ago).
However, as usual we don't know who they voted for, nor the independents.
Yeah, yesterday Republican lead in mail increased 8K while the Democrats only won the in-person vote by 575...
At this rate the Republicans could go into election day with a slim lead in the early vote. Compared to 2008 where Dems had an almost 9% lead.
O/T Mean result of all 31 national VI polls reported by Britain Elects taken since Theresa May became PM:
Con 40.5% Lab 28.9 % LD 7.9% Ukip 12.2%
The current position appears almost unchanged from that in mid-July. The Tories may have benefitted by a net movement of 1pt from Ukip and 1-2pts from Labour. The Lib Dem poll share is essentially static.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
Depends if they had a right to citizenship and if they availed themselves of it. That would be deemed by many a racist question if asked of a naturalized Brit of Indian or other ethnic origin.
I grant that the issue is somewhat different when a colonial power is involved, but we have to be careful of double standards here. Should white South Africans not be considered South African?
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
Lawn signs have been abandoned by presidential campaigns over the last few cycles as they dont give any value.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?
Was William Thackery Makepeace involved in the arts?
Is Vanity Fair politics or art?
It's art, indubitably, but written by William Makepeace Thackeray.
I assumed it was a typo on the list @RichardTyndall pinched off the web
In two earlier trials in 2014, codenamed Operation Brooke, 14 men were jailed for more than 100 years. The three convicted defendants in Operation Button - Sheikh and Abdulahi and Dahir - were also found guilty in Operation Brooke.
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
I saw a national poll yesterday which said Hillary was actually LESS popular than Trump (who was wildly unpopular)
Quite a feat.
Also true in UK at Election time. I think people are showing their colours online these days.
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.
Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.
It's about (a) respecting the principle that each party is allocated certain committee slots and they don't screw around with the people selected by the other side (in the same way that Labour doesn't press whoever in Government is being embarrassing onto a Tory slot) and (b) the view that as he hasn't been convicted or indeed charged with anything, it's unfair to do more than has already been done, i.e. getting him to stand down as chair. If all MPs who have behaved with poor judgment in their personal lives were to be blocked from committee work, the committees would suffer more than MPs. This is not a paid position and nobody argues that he is not reasonably well-informed about the issue, so likely to play a useful part.
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.
Even from a politicking point of view I simply don't understand this decision. It seems completely perverse.
Can anyone provide a reasonable explanation as to what the hell the Tories were playing at? So much for trying to improve their already poor image.
It's about (a) respecting the principle that each party is allocated certain committee slots and they don't screw around with the people selected by the other side (in the same way that Labour doesn't press whoever in Government is being embarrassing onto a Tory slot) and (b) the view that as he hasn't been convicted or indeed charged with anything, it's unfair to do more than has already been done, i.e. getting him to stand down as chair. If all MPs who have behaved with poor judgment in their personal lives were to be blocked from committee work, the committees would suffer more than MPs. This is not a paid position and nobody argues that he is not reasonably well-informed about the issue, so likely to play a useful part.
So what you are saying is the fault that Jim the washing machine salesman has disgracefully got the job is 100% down to Labour....
''If there is any Shy Trumper/Brexiteer effect then he could win this. ''
If you were an office worker in the US, full of sharp elbowed sharp tongued career women, would you admit you were going to vote for Trump?
F8ck no.
You were outcompeted by a woman I assume. If you were a worker surrounded by thick, sexist, fat white males polishing their weapons and claiming Trump is their saviour.... sounds unpleasant doesn't it.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I find myself unable to stop thinking about those eyebrows. Wondering what happens when she's surprised.
She is into amateur dramatics. She has a dramatic presence and a great voice. When elected, she will make a star MP. Farron watch out!
You've just described Leonard Nimoy. Although she has more Vulcan-esque eyebrows.
Can she do anything other than the party line? FX: what is the party line?
I've just tweeted Betfair suggesting they put her on the list of next LibDem leader. You heard it here first.
EDIT You need to get used to her eyebrows. You are going to see a lot more of them.
I think she'll make a great Lib Dem leader, after SLASHING Zac's majority to 2501 votes, she'll go forward as the PPC for Sheffield Hallam after Nick steps down in 2020 - and win the leadership election when Tim stands down in 2023
Hillary's national lead over Trump falls to just 2.2% in the latest Realclearpolitics poll average. If replicated at the election it would be closer than the 2.4% by which Bush beat Kerry in 2004 and would be the fifth closest election in terms of the popular vote since WW2
I am not sure I agree. I would certainly see anyone of Indian descent born here as British, but Brits born in India tended not to be members of families that had emigrated there to build new lives and to settle permanently, but to take part - in one way or another - in an unelected government of occupation.
Sorry but if anyone said that about a second generation Indian in the UK they would rightly be attacked for it. I am afraid you are trying to draw distinctions which are both invalid and rather offensive just to suit your argument.
But no-one could say it about a second generation Indian in the UK. The Indians did not invade the UK and govern it without consent for over 100 years.
In terms of seeking out value for money, Laddies' "Clinton Firewall Finder" may be worth a look. This is based on finding the first State to vote for Clinton, working down from the top of the bookie's list as follows:
Texas 12/1 Montana 16/1 Georgia 7/1 Arizona 9/4 Iowa 6/1 Ohio 12/1 North Carolina 9/2 Florida 25/1 etc, etc.
Of the above 8 states, the first six, i.e. Texas through to Ohio, are all coloured Red or Pink on 538's map and therefore expected to vote for Trump. Assuming they all do so, next on the list comes North Carolina coloured light blue, therefore leaning towards Clinton. If however she were to lose this state but win Florida, also rated a light blue by 538.com, then the 25/1 bet is landed! Yes it's something of a longshot, but by no means impossible and it could provide a bit of excitement on the night!
Do your own research.
Peter - thanks for the tip. I'm on for Florida (at 25/1) and Nevada (at 16/1) with reasonable amounts.
The firewall bet also gives a better way of betting than BF that Clinton will take Texas (at 12/1 on the firewall chart) but only 9/1 on BF. If I have understand it correctly.
That's absolutely right, but unfortunately still no sort of value imho.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
I find myself unable to stop thinking about those eyebrows. Wondering what happens when she's surprised.
She is into amateur dramatics. She has a dramatic presence and a great voice. When elected, she will make a star MP. Farron watch out!
You've just described Leonard Nimoy. Although she has more Vulcan-esque eyebrows.
Can she do anything other than the party line? FX: what is the party line?
I've just tweeted Betfair suggesting they put her on the list of next LibDem leader. You heard it here first.
EDIT You need to get used to her eyebrows. You are going to see a lot more of them.
Of course once she loses a peach target she'll never get another run.
I suspect Farron is setting her up for a fall
Farron didn't choose her. He's just met her. She only joined the LibDems in May 2015 and has emerged as a local star, chosen by acclamation by local LibDems.
I think the polling data on voting intention that it's based on must clearly be over-optimistic for Clinton, as far as voting since the FBI intervention is concerned. On the other hand, presumably the analysis should still pick up any relevant changes in turnout.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
I said last week when I saw Mcternan and Dugdale were over to canvas for Hillary that it was curtains for her. McTernan is an absolute Jonah, every election he has been involved in has led to disaster for his candidates.
I am not sure I agree. I would certainly see anyone of Indian descent born here as British, but Brits born in India tended not to be members of families that had emigrated there to build new lives and to settle permanently, but to take part - in one way or another - in an unelected government of occupation.
Sorry but if anyone said that about a second generation Indian in the UK they would rightly be attacked for it. I am afraid you are trying to draw distinctions which are both invalid and rather offensive just to suit your argument.
But no-one could say it about a second generation Indian in the UK. The Indians did not invade the UK and govern it without consent for over 100 years.
Oi! That's my great-great-great and great-great grandpas you're talking about!
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
I said last week when I saw Mcternan and Dugdale were over to canvas for Hillary that it was curtains for her. McTernan is an absolute Jonah, every election he has been involved in has led to disaster for his candidates.
I'm not sure why British politicians are interfering with a US election.
Just had a look back at the Primary totals, Kentucky is an odd outlier, has much higher Democrat turnout than republican for it's primary but is obviously very safe GOP.
Mr. D, neither am I. It's as ludicrous as the Westminster debate lambasting Trump.
Mr. T, slightly unfair comparison as the female sample size is much smaller. Empress Zoe of Byzantium was not good, and Queen Matilda (had a civil war with King Stephen) was so-so at best. And don't forget Isabella [he says, hoping he got the name right], Edward III's mother who had an affair with the man who (possibly) killed her husband and was stealing power from her son (possibly with an eye to murdering him).
That said, my cover artist is a lady, and very easy to work with.
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
Perhaps it reveals how reluctant the electorate are to be open about their loyalties and voting preference?
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Cheer up. Trump's one-man demolition of the US's two rotten ruling political dynasties has been inspirational.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
In two earlier trials in 2014, codenamed Operation Brooke, 14 men were jailed for more than 100 years. The three convicted defendants in Operation Button - Sheikh and Abdulahi and Dahir - were also found guilty in Operation Brooke.
I think its important to know the "community" (I hate that word), have spoken out against it, because people often say " why is no one condemning it"
In a statement issued through police, the Bristol Somali community said it was “deeply appalled” by the case. “Our deepest sympathy wholeheartedly goes out to the victims and their families who are undoubtedly experiencing extreme pain at the moment,” it said. “Our community, a Muslim and black minority ethnic community, in Bristol would like to underline that we sincerely condemn the nature of these crimes.”
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
Japanese nationalists are also looking forward to Trump.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
Perhaps it reveals how reluctant the electorate are to be open about their loyalties and voting preference?
Which isn't particularly surprising, given the narrative of extreme polarisation running for the past few months. It may not be true, but enough people fear what will happen if they show their colours openly in public.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
You are predicting riots if he is elected?
"could"
:-)
Hm? Southam said "undoubtedly".. unless I am missing something obvious!
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
Perhaps it reveals how reluctant the electorate are to be open about their loyalties and voting preference?
Poster support at elections in Britain has been getting progressively less overt since the 80s in my view.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
You are predicting riots if he is elected?
The period in between his election and his inauguration is likely to be incredibly fractious as the fear factor is ramped up and the US establishment tries to blame each other for the outcome.
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
You are predicting riots if he is elected?
"could"
:-)
Hm? Southam said "undoubtedly".. unless I am missing something obvious!
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
I've gone back to thinking Trump won't do much. He's still a New York liberal billionaire. He'll get tough on migration and Mexicans, but he won't do much that will damage big business.
He will be nasty to the EU though. Who cares.
PS I still don't think he can possibly win. But I said the same of LEAVE
SCOTUS is the big one, and he'll stick a very social conservative in there I think. (He personally couldn't give a hoot whether they're liberal or conservative - so it'll basically be Pence's choice)
The Trump surge continues, now up to 29.4% on 538 (polls+forecast)!
Its getting exciting.
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
Getting nervous, but holding on. Demographics.
The wave might be so big that demographics get washed away. That's what I fear.
Hispanics may save the day. 69% absolutely certain to vote according to Luntz (quoting Pew).
But 20% of them are breaking for Trump, so it might not be as positive as we hope.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I am getting that familiar sinking feeling. It looks like Trump could do it. And that would be a catastrophe for the US and, by extension, us.
Not for us necessarily, Trump's trade adviser has said he would do a trade deal with Brexit UK ahead of the EU in contrast to the pro-EU Hillary. The main beneficiaries of a Trump presidency would be Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel, the rest of the world would be better off under Hillary. I still think a Trump popular vote win is more likely than an electoral college win though
I am not sure being one of Trump America's three friends is going to do us a huge amount of good. Any trade deal would have to be negotiated and then signed off by Congress. A long process. In the meantime, there is no knowing what he might do and what might unfold in the US itself. I so think it will be worth avoiding for a while after he is inaugurated. There will undoubtedly be significant trouble in the cities.
You are predicting riots if he is elected?
"could"
:-)
Hm? Southam said "undoubtedly".. unless I am missing something obvious!
Not really. I actually prefer women bosses. No testosterone. No 'mine's bigger than yours'. Much easier.
I have women bosses - my editors and my agent, in journalism and thriller-writing, nearly all women. Very easy to work for.
My agent has a theory that women make better leaders and men make better entrepreneurs. A glance at English royal history might say that's true, we've had three great queens out of seven or eight (depending how you define).
Elizabeth One and Two, and Victoria.
The percentage of great kings is much lower.
What makes QE2 'great', other than her longevity? No question about the other two, natch.
Comments
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/independent-voters-are-overrated/
Clinton leads Trump by 3 percentage points in an average of live-interview telephone polls conducted over the last three weeks. In the same nine polls, Trump is carrying independent voters by an average of 7 points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Maino
The correct answer is "No"
The answer to the unspoken question is that nationality and ethnicity are seperate "things" (Though not so much when you get to Japan
Are any of the Clinton lumpers getting the heeby jeebies yet ?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/791370808945889280/video/1
Just drove from home to a coffee shop - 8 miles through 4 villages and a mid-sized town. I passed many hundreds of homes. This is rural and exurbia. High-school football (very serious business - the local team won on Friday, pulling their first string team part way through the second quarter with a 48-0 lead in the bag), hunting and farming country. Should be solid Trump.
The most notable thing is the almost complete dearth of lawn signs. One Trump, one Johnson, not a single Hillary. No US House or Senate signs. One Montgomery County Executive Board sign, 5 Education Board election signs. All the other lawn signs were for landscaping services, tutoring or day school.
Yesterday, in Bethesda, which should be overwhelmingly Clinton, a similar story, but rather more signs than here.
This has to be the lowest enthusiasm election ever - for both sides.
Odd question. Context? (The biological answer is no)
Ah! Now I see the context from other posts.
At this rate the Republicans could go into election day with a slim lead in the early vote. Compared to 2008 where Dems had an almost 9% lead.
Con 40.5%
Lab 28.9 %
LD 7.9%
Ukip 12.2%
The current position appears almost unchanged from that in mid-July. The Tories may have benefitted by a net movement of 1pt from Ukip and 1-2pts from Labour. The Lib Dem poll share is essentially static.
Can she do anything other than the party line? FX: what is the party line?
I grant that the issue is somewhat different when a colonial power is involved, but we have to be careful of double standards here. Should white South Africans not be considered South African?
In two earlier trials in 2014, codenamed Operation Brooke, 14 men were jailed for more than 100 years. The three convicted defendants in Operation Button - Sheikh and Abdulahi and Dahir - were also found guilty in Operation Brooke.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3894200/Three-members-Somali-sex-gang-trafficked-raped-subjected-British-schoolgirls-violent-horrible-abuse-jailed-32-years.html
If you were an office worker in the US, full of sharp elbowed sharp tongued career women, would you admit you were going to vote for Trump?
F8ck no.
EDIT You need to get used to her eyebrows. You are going to see a lot more of them.
The logic of that is that Hispanics are pro mass immigration and want the US to become more like Latin America.
I'm not sure at all that that is the case.
Thankfully the decent residents of Richmond do not care much for Farron's oddball brand of Europhilia.
If Hillary was even 10% better we would already be in the clear. Bloody DNC idiots. They tied it up for her and now she's close to losing to the worst GOP candidate of all time.
I suspect Farron is setting her up for a fall
That'll be the big takeaway from this election
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-three-state-union-may-be-answer-to-brexit-1.2734041#.WBBsqz0WxxS.mailto
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html
@BetfairCS
@Barnesian2 Sure thing, we are raising this request to our traders
Of course, unexpected results occasionally happen in politics.
Even Andrew Neil likes her.
at 12:05 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b080xt7r/daily-politics-26102016
You can hear the voice and examine the eyebrows again.
Not really. I actually prefer women bosses. No testosterone. No 'mine's bigger than yours'. Much easier.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/north-carolina-early-vote-tracker.html?_r=0
I think the polling data on voting intention that it's based on must clearly be over-optimistic for Clinton, as far as voting since the FBI intervention is concerned. On the other hand, presumably the analysis should still pick up any relevant changes in turnout.
@nypost: Podesta told Clinton team to ‘dump’ emails after use of private server emerged
https://t.co/5RFTNe8JHd
Mr. T, slightly unfair comparison as the female sample size is much smaller. Empress Zoe of Byzantium was not good, and Queen Matilda (had a civil war with King Stephen) was so-so at best. And don't forget Isabella [he says, hoping he got the name right], Edward III's mother who had an affair with the man who (possibly) killed her husband and was stealing power from her son (possibly with an eye to murdering him).
That said, my cover artist is a lady, and very easy to work with.
I'm struggling to find it right now.
A referendum on Hillary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox#x80px_The_Commonwealth_of_English-speaking_States_and_Territories
In a statement issued through police, the Bristol Somali community said it was “deeply appalled” by the case. “Our deepest sympathy wholeheartedly goes out to the victims and their families who are undoubtedly experiencing extreme pain at the moment,” it said. “Our community, a Muslim and black minority ethnic community, in Bristol would like to underline that we sincerely condemn the nature of these crimes.”
I know more needs to be done but a first step.
:-)
I'll get my coat