Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
Are English citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
Clearly the former as means that decisions are taken on behalf of a smaller number of people and the decision making is closer to the people. Ideally we would go even further and devolve most governmental decisions to the local level although of course this is not practical for everything.
Whilst they had many good points and were very clever in their engineering (have you ever tried doing long division using Roman Numerals), the Romans were actually a very unpleasant people.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.
European? Moi?
I is British, thank you very much!
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.
Whilst they had many good points and were very clever in their engineering (have you ever tried doing long division using Roman Numerals), the Romans were actually a very unpleasant people.
You are talking five, eight, maybe even twelve centuries there.
The early Romans would throw slaves to their deaths off the Tarpian Rock, if required.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
Nope. It is entirely accurate.
Continental countries like France are very protectionist whilst the UK has always been a global trading nation which recognises the benefits of free trade. This is one reason for the lack of a cultural fit between the EU and the UK.
Agreed. This is one reason why we have more in relation with the Anglosphere than we do with Europe.
Mr. Llama, they had an odd and complicated view of animals. Tiberius had a pet snake he fed by hand, and when Pompey tried having domesticated elephants killed for sport in the arena, the crowd jeered him.
And I believe the FLOTUS account is only used for non partisan stuff.
Facts. What do they show?
In this instance, apparently that some people who spend their lives scouring the Internet for pro-Trump propaganda are incapable of finding Michelle Obama's Twitter account. Or so they pretend.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.
European? Moi?
I is British, thank you very much!
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.
Well yes, Europe can mean many things. It can mean the whole continent from the Urals westwards, or all except the Russian bit, or the EU, or it can mean continental Europe. It's usually clear from the context, and while there's mischief to be had in exasperating continentals by referring to continental Europe as 'Europe', only the strangest would claim that the UK alone in the world is sui generis, sitting outside of continental classification.
I wonder if the French have a word for 'all of Europe that is not France'?
Mr. Llama, they had an odd and complicated view of animals. Tiberius had a pet snake he fed by hand, and when Pompey tried having domesticated elephants killed for sport in the arena, the crowd jeered him.
Valentinian was very fond of his two pet she bears, Innocentia and Mica Aurea, to whom he would feed people who had offended him.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supranational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.
OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supernational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.
Except the direction of travel for the EU is towards a state.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
Nope. It is entirely accurate.
Continental countries like France are very protectionist whilst the UK has always been a global trading nation which recognises the benefits of free trade. This is one reason for the lack of a cultural fit between the EU and the UK.
Agreed. This is one reason why we have more in relation with the Anglosphere than we do with Europe.
Completely misreading Brexit sentiment brought pro-EU politicians to the point of being forced to call a referendum. And losing it.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.
European? Moi?
I is British, thank you very much!
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supranational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.
There's only one direction of travel though. EU-wide institutions don't hand back powers to national institutions.
OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.
I'm writing a thread, and the picture for that thread will be that Guardian 'the day the polls turned' front page.
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supernational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.
Except the direction of travel for the EU is towards a state.
People believe that. What people believe determines their judgments. In fact there is essentially no chance of the EU replacing the nation states. No-one important wants it. The EU's real problem, in a way, it is that is NOT a superstate, but is a kind of half way house. Whether you think it's a good idea, or indeed whether it works, depends on whether you think half a solution is better than no solution at all
Mr. 43, the Greek coalition that defeated the Persians became by small steps the Athenian empire. And there was only one city-state that wanted that to happen.
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.
I'm writing a thread, and the picture for that thread will be that Guardian 'the day the polls turned' front page.
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
OGH is clearly a dis-believer and thus a tory stooge...
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.
I'm writing a thread, and the picture for that thread will be that Guardian 'the day the polls turned' front page.
Mr. Llama, they had an odd and complicated view of animals. Tiberius had a pet snake he fed by hand, and when Pompey tried having domesticated elephants killed for sport in the arena, the crowd jeered him.
But then there was the poena cullei. Not one for animal lovers, however you feel about parricide.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
Are English citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
There is no such thing as a citizen of England currently. I may well die one, though.
If Clinton loses (and her support in the polls is dropping faster than Monica Lewinski on Bill) then it probably won't be the e-mails and security, it is more likely to be the news that the FBI are investigating the Clinton Foundation.
(Unless Weiner can point directly to something really nasty (involving Clinton - I am sure there is plenty of nasty stuff on that laptop) and it comes out - pretty unlikely given that due process must be observed).
The question is: can she hang on?. It is going to be a long week.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
If only that were true.
It is, sadly, a complete fantasy.
I don't think that globalism vs parochialism is the driver. It's more about self-government vs internationalism. Are British citizens best served by governing themselves in a sovereign State, or are they best served by being part of the government of a much bigger State, comprising other peoples?
You present the EU and the UK as alternative states. whereas I think most globalists would see them as complementary: the nation state and a supernational body with pooled sovereignty. So it isn't just how you answer the question, but the question itself, that determines your view. Those that see it as either/or versus those that see it as both/and.
Except the direction of travel for the EU is towards a state.
People believe that. What people believe determines their judgments. In fact there is essentially no chance of the EU replacing the nation states. No-one important wants it. The EU's real problem, in a way, it is that is NOT a superstate, but is a kind of half way house. Whether you think it's a good idea, or indeed whether it works, depends on whether you think half a solution is better than no solution at all
It is not just that people believe it, it is that in Europe it is regularly stated as an objective by politicians. It is also the fact that for the Euro to survive long term there needs to be just that sort of political union. To claim this is simply a matter of perception ignores all the basic indicators that it is still the direction of travel both by design and by necessity.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
If some racist told you you were not European, you'd agree with them. That's your problem.
European? Moi?
I is British, thank you very much!
And Britain is European. I'm afraid that's non-negotiable, Brexit or no Brexit.
Whilst Britain is in Europe it is not on the Continent of Europe (which sometimes gets cut off by fog).
Hmm. Strictly from a geological point of view that is not true. Britain is very much part of the European continent and it is only a temporary quirk of nature that has us separated geographically. We are no less part of the continent of Europe than Sicily.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He is ethnically Parsi, as a group and personally from India.
If Clinton loses (and her support in the polls is dropping faster than Monica Lewinski on Bill) then it probably won't be the e-mails and security, it is more likely to be the news that the FBI are investigating the Clinton Foundation.
(Unless Weiner can point directly to something really nasty (involving Clinton - I am sure there is plenty of nasty stuff on that laptop) and it comes out - pretty unlikely given that due process must be observed).
The question is: can she hang on?. It is going to be a long week.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Spike Milligan
He was Irish.
Strictly at the time he was born Ireland was still British.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
Whilst that'd normally have GOP strategists reaching for the sick bucket it is actually decent for Trump given his weakness with Latino voters.
A better poll for Trump but these small sample sizes irk me and more importantly is their structural weakness in polling Hispanics.
Latest Florida votes
Mail Provided (Not .. 436,754 516,412 31,045 289,185 Voted Vote-by-Mail 865,187 793,105 51,842 344,385 Voted Early in person 783,416 839,572 46,617 353,397
With the Republican lead in Voted by mail now up to 72,000 and the Democrat lead in Voted early 56,000 I think that this is better for the Republicans (who only held a net 9000 lead a couple of days ago).
However, as usual we don't know who they voted for, nor the independents.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Spike Milligan
He was Irish.
Strictly at the time he was born Ireland was still British.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
Curious bias towards the arts - or is that just the ones that we remember?
I just found a website that mentioned famous Brits born in India. It has more of course including plenty of Indian descent but that was kind of outside the scope of the discussion here.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
?? Farrokh Bulsara from Tanzania.
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
He was of Parsi descent though. And how exactly do you define "White" anyway?
I think he was genetically entirely Parsi?
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
We can't stop Indians being racist.
I am not sure it is racist to believe that Rudyard Kipling was not an Indian. I would be very surprised if he considered himself an Indian. Maybe Anglo-Indian, but that is very different.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
One cant stop Indians being racists and ethnic nationalists. We don't have to apply the same debased standards.
Brexit specifically is a decision to turn away from a global Britain to a parochial one. .
I'd argue it was a decision to turn away from the parochial (and crap) EU and face the entire globe.
.... from behind closed borders and high walls. Doesn't Brexit mean anti-immigration?
Not all countries are in the EU!
I don't follow you. Are you suggesting that Brexit is anti-immigration from the EU but not from the rest of the world? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
For some reason, Sunil seems to believe that it is racist to allow free movement for British Indians inside the EU but not for Indians who live in India.
EU countries are majority white, most non-EU countries are majority non-white.
So what? Free movement in the EU is not predicated on skin colour or ethnicity, just citizenship.
How many Polish plumbers are non-white?
How many British Indians are white?
Freddie Mercury
Interesting list:
Joanna Lumley Vivien Leigh Rudyard Kipling Paddy Ashdown Eric Blair Bob Woolmer Colin Cowdrey William Thackery Makepeace Gerald Durrell
British Indians, or British people born in India? Would Indians see them as Indians?
I have no idea. Certainly I would count an Indian born in Britain as British. I see no reason why the reverse should not be true unless there is a specific legal impediment.
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But-but-but the Russians! The KGB! Oh wait...
@HillaryClinton Left Classified Documents in China Hotel Room https://t.co/sREVhVUbnh
Just seen he's doing eight events for Hillary in the next few days/
The early Romans would throw slaves to their deaths off the Tarpian Rock, if required.
Visa conditions tightened after surge in interest from British medics"
https://www.ft.com/content/38513e9a-a029-11e6-86d5-4e36b35c3550
I wonder if the French have a word for 'all of Europe that is not France'?
He was probably the last proper emperor the West had. From memory, Majorian tried to remedy the situation, but it was too far gone.
Clearly he is deeply rattled and ignores that the current Labour polling is merely the pull-back before the electoral tsunami returns to sweep the 'refreshing' reds to glory in 2020 and beyond.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
@hugorifkind: After Trump wins & Russia invades Ukraine & Assad crushes Syria & WW3 looms the worst thing will be people saying "stop moaning" on Twitter.
@hugorifkind: "Only the metropolitan liberal elite are against the death of their children in a fiery global nuclear holocaust" they'll say."Get over it."
@hugorifkind: "But 50.001% of America voted to turn Earth into the end of Planet of The Apes," they'll say, "and thus the subject is closed, forever."
Is he pissed or on drugs ?
Clinton 41 .. Trump 45
http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5a280d25318f2afe3f311adb6&id=215d65b9fa&e=
(Unless Weiner can point directly to something really nasty (involving Clinton - I am sure there is plenty of nasty stuff on that laptop) and it comes out - pretty unlikely given that due process must be observed).
The question is: can she hang on?. It is going to be a long week.
Just returned home to read this. Insanity. The excuse given is risible.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mexican-americans-are-reshaping-the-electoral-map-in-arizona-and-the-u-s/
Cheerio...
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/793471664491114496
Interesting definition of a "white indian" there !
Joanna Lumley
Vivien Leigh
Rudyard Kipling
Paddy Ashdown
Eric Blair
Bob Woolmer
Colin Cowdrey
William Thackery Makepeace
Gerald Durrell
http://order-order.com/2016/11/01/tory-whips-saved-vaz/
And my definition of "white" was "what the common person in the street considers them" - it's a sign of the tolerance of the UK that no one cared about his heritage one way or another
Mail Provided (Not .. 436,754 516,412 31,045 289,185
Voted Vote-by-Mail 865,187 793,105 51,842 344,385
Voted Early in person 783,416 839,572 46,617 353,397
With the Republican lead in Voted by mail now up to 72,000 and the Democrat lead in Voted early 56,000 I think that this is better for the Republicans (who only held a net 9000 lead a couple of days ago).
However, as usual we don't know who they voted for, nor the independents.
This looks good for Trump to me.
Interestingly Teresa Gorman had tattooed eyebrows.