See the Florida poll on the previous thread. If Trump is getting a third of some demographics of registered Democrats you can throw these projections in the bin.
But, of course, Hillary is getting Republicans (like @Charles' in-laws) that a Democrat normally wouldn't.
Yes but the trend (post second debate) is that Trump is consolidating Republican support and NeverTrumps are falling in line.
I'm not sure that's true of my Republican friends. Many of the middle class women Republicans I know simply aren't going to vote this time around.
I have similar. My brother's in-laws are reliable Republican voters. His father-in-law won't vote this time. His mother-in-law will vote Clinton as a one off, as she loaths Trump.
They are looking for new front pages to reset the narrative.
A Hillary collapse would do it.
Lets hope Trump doesn't provide a distraction by finally shooting someone on fifth avenue......seriously can't believe one of the two party nominees said that and it wasn't even his top ten hits.
It's almost as if we are going to end up spending a shed load more than £350 million a week on mitigating the voluntary decision we are going to take to leave the single market.
Yes, special measures for, er, pretty much everyone. The entire project undermined by a series of expensive exceptions. Who could have imagined it?
A more plausible explanation is that the government intends to remain in the customs union for a lengthy interim period.
I think it's been accepted by PB Leavers that not leaving the customs union is pretty much like not leaving the EU.
I'd have thought that maximising the publicity this story gets is unlikely to be in the Democrats interest.
I reckon it is a GOTV attempt and shove the soft Dems back into line by saying Trump as President could happen if you don't turn out and vote.
it could be, but ranting at the FBI could well put quite a few voters off.
I'm trying to find the polling, but there was some polling that showed that the law enforcement agencies and police were really distrusted by minorities (because of the the shooting of minorities by said law enforcement groups) and the failure to do prosecute the officers involved.
It might make sense if you really want to get them to vote.
I'd have thought that maximising the publicity this story gets is unlikely to be in the Democrats interest.
I reckon it is a GOTV attempt and shove the soft Dems back into line by saying Trump as President could happen if you don't turn out and vote.
it could be, but ranting at the FBI could well put quite a few voters off.
Only ones who were never going to vote for her anyway. It is perfectly reasonable to point out the FBI have got even more politically involved at a point when it would have been wiser not to. Harry Reid's hard rebuttal is good politics.
I'd have thought that maximising the publicity this story gets is unlikely to be in the Democrats interest.
I reckon it is a GOTV attempt and shove the soft Dems back into line by saying Trump as President could happen if you don't turn out and vote.
it could be, but ranting at the FBI could well put quite a few voters off.
Only ones who were never going to vote for her anyway. It is perfectly reasonable to point out the FBI have got even more politically involved at a point when it would have been wiser not to. Harry Reid's hard rebuttal is good politics.
Harry Reid's letter comes over as whining and blustering in equal measure. It's like the response of an important person who gets pulled over for a motoring offence and starts off "Do you know who I am, Constable?"
It's almost as if we are going to end up spending a shed load more than £350 million a week on mitigating the voluntary decision we are going to take to leave the single market.
Yes, special measures for, er, pretty much everyone. The entire project undermined by a series of expensive exceptions. Who could have imagined it?
A more plausible explanation is that the government intends to remain in the customs union for a lengthy interim period.
I think it's been accepted by PB Leavers that not leaving the customs union is pretty much like not leaving the EU.
It's the membership of the Customs Union that prevents the UK from negotiating trade agreements outside the EU. Staying in the CU defeats the whole point of leaving the EU in the first place, it would be a Brexit in name only.
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
It's a depressing trend. As Mark Steyn put it, 'They don't want to win the argument, they want to cancel the argument.'
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
I'd have thought that maximising the publicity this story gets is unlikely to be in the Democrats interest.
I reckon it is a GOTV attempt and shove the soft Dems back into line by saying Trump as President could happen if you don't turn out and vote.
it could be, but ranting at the FBI could well put quite a few voters off.
Only ones who were never going to vote for her anyway. It is perfectly reasonable to point out the FBI have got even more politically involved at a point when it would have been wiser not to. Harry Reid's hard rebuttal is good politics.
Harry Reid's letter comes over as whining and blustering in equal measure. It's like the response of an important person who gets pulled over for a motoring offence and starts off "Do you know who I am, Constable?"
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
It cuts both ways Sean. There are folk on the right who do the same.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
E-mailing pictures of his private parts, and asking correspondents about rape fantasies?
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
E-mailing pictures of his private parts, and asking correspondents about rape fantasies?
Add in orangutan and you've got the plot of a Tom Knox novel
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I'd have thought that maximising the publicity this story gets is unlikely to be in the Democrats interest.
I reckon it is a GOTV attempt and shove the soft Dems back into line by saying Trump as President could happen if you don't turn out and vote.
it could be, but ranting at the FBI could well put quite a few voters off.
Only ones who were never going to vote for her anyway. It is perfectly reasonable to point out the FBI have got even more politically involved at a point when it would have been wiser not to. Harry Reid's hard rebuttal is good politics.
Harry Reid's letter comes over as whining and blustering in equal measure. It's like the response of an important person who gets pulled over for a motoring offence and starts off "Do you know who I am, Constable?"
I disagree. He's pointing out that in recent history he has led a democratic caucus that has been far more willing to strike a conciliatory note over appointments than their republican counterparts. He's noting that in retrospect he regrets that and frankly seeing what's happened he's right to do so.
If these clowns are sitting on inflammatory stuff about Trump whilst doing a bit of unsubstantiated flame fanning over Hilary, then they could quite possibly go down. These are high stakes now.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
E-mailing pictures of his private parts, and asking correspondents about rape fantasies?
Add in orangutan and you've got the plot of a Tom Knox novel
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
Were you massively offensive? If you weren't. and they blocked you, then that's ridiculous - of them. I'm also very surprised. Hannan in particular likes an argument, tho he will mute people who are abusive of him (and fair enough - personal abuse is a different issue)
I merely tweeted some of Vote Leave's posters/adverts when Dan Hannan said the referendum had nothing to do with immigration and Vote Leave hadn't talked about immigration.
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
I send about 400 work emails a week on average. I don't count the number I receive but it would be around the same number.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
As someone who runs the Legal, regulatory, & compliance department, I'm used to be people CCing me in emails saying 'We're planning to do x, I trust this is fine'
It's the membership of the Customs Union that prevents the UK from negotiating trade agreements outside the EU. Staying in the CU defeats the whole point of leaving the EU in the first place, it would be a Brexit in name only.
Only for the tiny, tiny number of Leavers for whom the rather abstract (and frankly pie-in-the-sky) hope of negotiating unspecified trade deals elsewhere was the primary motivation. Why on earth would anyone who voted Leave regard that as important? The whole idea of voting Leave was predicated on the idea that it didn't much matter that we risked leaving the massive free-trade area on our doorstep.
I can see why a few of the more cerebral Leavers pretended that free trade deals elsewhere were important, but I'd always assumed that that was simply displacement activity to distract from the economic risk of leaving the one we were already in.
I'd have thought that maximising the publicity this story gets is unlikely to be in the Democrats interest.
I reckon it is a GOTV attempt and shove the soft Dems back into line by saying Trump as President could happen if you don't turn out and vote.
it could be, but ranting at the FBI could well put quite a few voters off.
Only ones who were never going to vote for her anyway. It is perfectly reasonable to point out the FBI have got even more politically involved at a point when it would have been wiser not to. Harry Reid's hard rebuttal is good politics.
Harry Reid's letter comes over as whining and blustering in equal measure. It's like the response of an important person who gets pulled over for a motoring offence and starts off "Do you know who I am, Constable?"
I disagree. He's pointing out that in recent history he has led a democratic caucus that has been far more willing to strike a conciliatory note over appointments than their republican counterparts. He's noting that in retrospect he regrets that and frankly seeing what's happened he's right to do so.
If these clowns are sitting on inflammatory stuff about Trump whilst doing a bit of unsubstantiated flame fanning over Hilary, then they could quite possibly go down. These are high stakes now.
In that last paragraph, he's implying that Comey owes him a favour for past support, as well as drawing attention to the fact Comey has no reason to show any favouritism towards Republicans.
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
Were you massively offensive? If you weren't. and they blocked you, then that's ridiculous - of them. I'm also very surprised. Hannan in particular likes an argument, tho he will mute people who are abusive of him (and fair enough - personal abuse is a different issue)
I merely tweeted some of Vote Leave's posters/adverts when Dan Hannan said the referendum had nothing to do with immigration and Vote Leave hadn't talked about immigration.
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
Is he still saying that? VoteLeave did the YouTube advert for Turkish accession and Gove spent the final month on the Mail mentioning Syrian refugees, Turkish accession and border security, and (as Dan Hodges can attest) spoke in private about it too. I'm willing to believe that LEAVE voters were majority about control, not immigration (see Ashcroft's polls) but VoteLeave were into it up to their armpits.
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
Were you massively offensive? If you weren't. and they blocked you, then that's ridiculous - of them. I'm also very surprised. Hannan in particular likes an argument, tho he will mute people who are abusive of him (and fair enough - personal abuse is a different issue)
I merely tweeted some of Vote Leave's posters/adverts when Dan Hannan said the referendum had nothing to do with immigration and Vote Leave hadn't talked about immigration.
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
Interesting, and disappointing. I go by Caitlin Moran's dictum on Twitter: always be polite to everyone. If you possibly can. Unless they block you. Then you can insult them.
I've had some nutters go on and on at me - including some seriously deranged Remainers claiming I am retarded, racist, "scum", a "mong", "an animal" etc - I ignore them or Mute them at most.
I'm not sure I've actually Blocked anyone.
The mute button is the best way, allows them to rant away.
As someone who regularly tweets polls, you get used to abuse, as Britain Elects, Mike, and Matt Singh attest too.
My high point was when a Corbynite added me to a list of 'JewishAntiCorbynPollsters'
I've only ever blocked one person on twitter, who kind of flipped out when I said I was a (very bad) Muslim.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
I send about 400 work emails a week on average. I don't count the number I receive but it would be around the same number.
Maybe Clinton and Confidante was using it as another automatic backup - forwarding all e-mails they received onto it.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
As someone who runs the Legal, regulatory, & compliance department, I'm used to be people CCing me in emails saying 'We're planning to do x, I trust this is fine'
It is called doing an 'arse covering email'
That was a real bugbear, people using CC for stuff they're expecting an action or reply on. They were always the balls that got dropped, because some idiot didn't know the difference between sending a mail to someone and sending them a copy. Meant I had to keep on top of the bloody CC box in real time, as well as the inbox. Grr...
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
Were you massively offensive? If you weren't. and they blocked you, then that's ridiculous - of them. I'm also very surprised. Hannan in particular likes an argument, tho he will mute people who are abusive of him (and fair enough - personal abuse is a different issue)
I merely tweeted some of Vote Leave's posters/adverts when Dan Hannan said the referendum had nothing to do with immigration and Vote Leave hadn't talked about immigration.
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
Is he still saying that? VoteLeave did the YouTube advert for Turkish accession and Gove spent the final month on the Mail mentioning Syrian refugees, Turkish accession and border security, and (as Dan Hodges can attest) spoke in private about it too. I'm willing to believe that LEAVE voters were majority about control, not immigration (see Ashcroft's polls) but VoteLeave were into it up to their armpits.
Yup, he really hates it when people tweet him a screen grab of the Vote Love Committee membership
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
As someone who runs the Legal, regulatory, & compliance department, I'm used to be people CCing me in emails saying 'We're planning to do x, I trust this is fine'
It is called doing an 'arse covering email'
That was a real bugbear, people using CC for stuff they're expecting an action or reply on. They were always the balls that got dropped, because some idiot didn't know the difference between sending a mail to someone and sending them a copy. Meant I had to keep on top of the bloody CC box in real time, as well as the inbox. Grr...
Those first six months in the job were stressful, then I put in new procedures.
I'm very proud of the opening to the procedure guidelines.
'Please read this document in its entirety as I know you will not do well in prison'
It's the membership of the Customs Union that prevents the UK from negotiating trade agreements outside the EU. Staying in the CU defeats the whole point of leaving the EU in the first place, it would be a Brexit in name only.
Only for the tiny, tiny number of Leavers for whom the rather abstract (and frankly pie-in-the-sky) hope of negotiating unspecified trade deals elsewhere was the primary motivation. Why on earth would anyone who voted Leave regard that as important? The whole idea of voting Leave was predicated on the idea that it didn't much matter that we risked leaving the massive free-trade area on our doorstep.
I can see why a few of the more cerebral Leavers pretended that free trade deals elsewhere were important, but I'd always assumed that that was simply displacement activity to distract from the economic risk of leaving the one we were already in.
For me, the main reasons for voting Leave were: To get away from the EU Courts and supremacy of EU Law; to be free to make trade deals with expanding parts of the world, and the money we were throwing at an unaccountable bureaucracy. Staying in the Customs Union most likely achieves none of those aims, it's not really leaving the EU at all.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
As someone who runs the Legal, regulatory, & compliance department, I'm used to be people CCing me in emails saying 'We're planning to do x, I trust this is fine'
It is called doing an 'arse covering email'
That was a real bugbear, people using CC for stuff they're expecting an action or reply on. They were always the balls that got dropped, because some idiot didn't know the difference between sending a mail to someone and sending them a copy. Meant I had to keep on top of the bloody CC box in real time, as well as the inbox. Grr...
Those first six months in the job were stressful, then I put in new procedures.
I'm very proud of the opening to the procedure guidelines.
'Please read this document in its entirety as I know you will not do well in prison'
LOL, that's a good one; might have to find a way to put that on the front page of an information security policy!
It's the membership of the Customs Union that prevents the UK from negotiating trade agreements outside the EU. Staying in the CU defeats the whole point of leaving the EU in the first place, it would be a Brexit in name only.
Only for the tiny, tiny number of Leavers for whom the rather abstract (and frankly pie-in-the-sky) hope of negotiating unspecified trade deals elsewhere was the primary motivation. Why on earth would anyone who voted Leave regard that as important? The whole idea of voting Leave was predicated on the idea that it didn't much matter that we risked leaving the massive free-trade area on our doorstep.
I can see why a few of the more cerebral Leavers pretended that free trade deals elsewhere were important, but I'd always assumed that that was simply displacement activity to distract from the economic risk of leaving the one we were already in.
Your second paragraph answers the first. The pretence matters. They have to believe in it, and they do.
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting his position. I wasn't personally offensive, I made no personal remarks, I was just eurosceptic in a robust but non controversial way.
And he blocked me.
I've noticed this increasingly on the Left, they not only don't want to hear opposing arguments, they simply REFUSE to hear any criticism or contradiction, and hide away. It's nuts. It means they get evermore lost in their deluded world of bubblethink, and it means they can't ever develop and refine their own opinions through dispute and debate, because they won't debate.
An entire generation of tiny, stupid Jeremy Corbyns is arising. Myopic and eccentric and doomed to political defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
Were you massively offensive? If you weren't. and they blocked you, then that's ridiculous - of them. I'm also very surprised. Hannan in particular likes an argument, tho he will mute people who are abusive of him (and fair enough - personal abuse is a different issue)
I merely tweeted some of Vote Leave's posters/adverts when Dan Hannan said the referendum had nothing to do with immigration and Vote Leave hadn't talked about immigration.
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
Is he still saying that? VoteLeave did the YouTube advert for Turkish accession and Gove spent the final month on the Mail mentioning Syrian refugees, Turkish accession and border security, and (as Dan Hodges can attest) spoke in private about it too. I'm willing to believe that LEAVE voters were majority about control, not immigration (see Ashcroft's polls) but VoteLeave were into it up to their armpits.
Yup, he really hates it when people tweet him a screen grab of the Vote Love Committee membership
For me, the main reasons for voting Leave were: To get away from the EU Courts and supremacy of EU Law; to be free to make trade deals with expanding parts of the world, and the money we were throwing at an unaccountable bureaucracy. Staying in the Customs Union most likely achieves none of those aims, it's not really leaving the EU at all.
It achieves the first and the third. It makes the second much less important compared with not being in the customs union.
In any case, I think you are in a tiny minority of Leavers. Immigration was clearly the most important aspect of 'taking back control', with areas such as environmental law, health and safety law, employment law, the CAP, the CFP, the mythical 'EU army', etc being top issues. Trade deals are a side-issue, nice to have (and especially important if we don't have favourable terms with our largest existing export market), but really of little importance because we'd automatically get a lot of the benefit as EU members anyway (Canada, South Korea, and so on - perhaps even TTIP). In any case, the world's most successful exporter amongst all developed economies is in the EU, so it's hard to see how we can possibly be being held back significantly by membership.
Ohio tommorow, Florida Tuesday, Arizona Wednesday, North Carolina Thursday.
She must be sick - sick of flying!
The bullshit the Trump rampers on here come up with is getting even more desperate.
On a betting site, it's a problem. Most of these pound-shop Stuart Truths never bet.
How do you know whether I bet or how much ?.As it happens I was in Houston last week and experienced the election on the ground. I wonder how many of you have?
Bit off topic, but I just got blocked on Twitter by some Guardian writer lefty, after I made two tweets contradicting hlitical defeat.
I was recently blocked by both Douglas Carswell and Dan Hannan.
Were you massively offensive? If you weren't. and they blocked you, then that's ridiculous - of them. I'm also very surprised. Hannan in particular likes an argument, tho he will mute people who are abusive of him (and fair enough - personal abuse is a different issue)
I merely tweeted some of Vote Leave's posters/adverts when Dan Hannan said the referendum had nothing to do with immigration and Vote Leave hadn't talked about immigration.
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
Is he still saying that? VoteLeave did the YouTube advert for Turkish accession and Gove spent the final month on the Mail mentioning Syrian refugees, Turkish accession and border security, and (as Dan Hodges can attest) spoke in private about it too. I'm willing to believe that LEAVE voters were majority about control, not immigration (see Ashcroft's polls) but VoteLeave were into it up to their armpits.
Yup, he really hates it when people tweet him a screen grab of the Vote Love Committee membership
In the end it comes down to this: the EU came up with a Constitution for its superstate, it got voted down in referendums by two different countries, so they simply disguised it as a new Treaty, and forced it through parliaments, thus avoiding the expressed and explicit will of the people.
The EU is a poisonous charade and a democratic fraud and it will never reform and that's why we have to leave. There is no debate to be had. There is no nuance. No argument. Everything else is trivia and footnotes. Get the fuck over it. We're OUT and I don't care if it costs us 20% of GDP.
You LOST and we're OUT because the EU is a disgrace.
I'm over it, I was just posting for Viewcode's benefit what you have to post to get blocked by Dan Hannan.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
As someone who runs the Legal, regulatory, & compliance department, I'm used to be people CCing me in emails saying 'We're planning to do x, I trust this is fine'
It is called doing an 'arse covering email'
Which no doubt leads to the "you're not being commercial " line when you block their cunning plan :-)
FFS are we back to the same bloody discussion again. The last couple of days have been great on non-Brexit stuff.
I very much fear, Mr. Max, this site has now entered terminal boredom. A small but shrinking number of people expressing the same opinions day after day gets bloody tedious after a while.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
200 per day for 10 years without routinely deleting stuff and you're there.
The FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server knew weeks ago that the thousands of emails they found in a separate investigation would be applicable to the case.
The agents waited weeks to disclose what they found in a briefing with FBI Director James Comey, according to sources familiar with the case, the Washington Post reported on Sunday.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
I heard one theory that she accidently downloaded her entire mail archives by logging in from home. Stuff goes back years.
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
200 per day for 10 years without routinely deleting stuff and you're there.
They may have spams to boot.
Had a really horrible horrible thought. We know what Weiner... likes...
We know that he has no idea of self control. Or security. So he's getting a tidal wave of spam to his email address. Spam targeted at his... interests..... Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
Trump was right to say Weiner was a "collector of information". That is a staggering number of emails. Altough I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of them related to social media, dating and adult websites.
650,000 emails is about 100 emails a day, every day, for 20 years.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Working with people who CYA-cc'ed each other a lot, I'd imagine.
Working as an IT manager, in a place where everyone would CC the world, with loads of mailing lists, numerous automated server and help desk alerts, I couldn't get it much past 250-300 a day - and that took probably a third of the day just to wade through. The really senior managers got fewer, as people didn't CC them as much.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
200 per day for 10 years without routinely deleting stuff and you're there.
They may have spams to boot.
Don't forget inbox and sent items. So you can easily half that, or third if you are the kind of person who cc's yourself on emails you send.
Comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMZsKq99hdk
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/opinion/on-clinton-emails-did-the-fbi-director-abuse-his-power.html
Think that is it, I'm at my free article limit.
Is this inciting hatred?
I realise that is not a popular view on here!
It might make sense if you really want to get them to vote.
Mind you I'm still reeling from Hillary leading by FOUR in Alaska
What. The. Actual. Fuck. Was. Weiner. Doing?
Ooh-er! Half a million! There must be something in it, then. I mean if there wasn't, there'd only be about 17 or fewer.
If these clowns are sitting on inflammatory stuff about Trump whilst doing a bit of unsubstantiated flame fanning over Hilary, then they could quite possibly go down. These are high stakes now.
http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode14.htm
As for Douglas, not sure what I did, I try and be the model of restraint on twitter.
650k emails seems implausible, unless he's never deleted so much as a round robin about office coffees from a decade ago!
It is called doing an 'arse covering email'
I can see why a few of the more cerebral Leavers pretended that free trade deals elsewhere were important, but I'd always assumed that that was simply displacement activity to distract from the economic risk of leaving the one we were already in.
As for the number of Anthony Weiner's emails, the point is that a big number is appearing in headlines that helps Trump. Trump has got the momentum.
As someone who regularly tweets polls, you get used to abuse, as Britain Elects, Mike, and Matt Singh attest too.
My high point was when a Corbynite added me to a list of 'JewishAntiCorbynPollsters'
I've only ever blocked one person on twitter, who kind of flipped out when I said I was a (very bad) Muslim.
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/campaign.html
and then a screen grab of Vote Leave's immigration posters/adverts
Not something I'd do, but it's low level but not quite as astonishingly bad as 'celebrating' the lynching of African-Americans
I'm very proud of the opening to the procedure guidelines.
'Please read this document in its entirety as I know you will not do well in prison'
Looks like its all over.
As I noted below, they've just opened a whole host of Fourth Amendment violation problems
https://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/
https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/785408832986046464
https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/785409148116725760
In any case, I think you are in a tiny minority of Leavers. Immigration was clearly the most important aspect of 'taking back control', with areas such as environmental law, health and safety law, employment law, the CAP, the CFP, the mythical 'EU army', etc being top issues. Trade deals are a side-issue, nice to have (and especially important if we don't have favourable terms with our largest existing export market), but really of little importance because we'd automatically get a lot of the benefit as EU members anyway (Canada, South Korea, and so on - perhaps even TTIP). In any case, the world's most successful exporter amongst all developed economies is in the EU, so it's hard to see how we can possibly be being held back significantly by membership.
She must be sick - sick of flying!
They schedule them at the last moment depending on where the election is close.
REMAIN 48%
A bit of googling finds this for RSVPing. Sounds pretty confirmed to me:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/view/praon2lo6tpn4cil/?utm_medium=earnedmedia&utm_source=&utm_campaign=20161018florida-comms&utm_content=f
Perhaps your tinfoil hat is on too tight.
I concluded it was Trump winning.
They may have spams to boot.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2606014/
The FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server knew weeks ago that the thousands of emails they found in a separate investigation would be applicable to the case.
The agents waited weeks to disclose what they found in a briefing with FBI Director James Comey, according to sources familiar with the case, the Washington Post reported on Sunday. I heard one theory that she accidently downloaded her entire mail archives by logging in from home. Stuff goes back years.
They have won Halloween with this costume https://t.co/m1CSXamRpa
We know that he has no idea of self control. Or security. So he's getting a tidal wave of spam to his email address. Spam targeted at his... interests..... Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3887380/Ex-FBI-assistant-director-calls-Clintons-crime-family-claims-foundation-cesspool.html