Anyone who rules out an Islamic extremist motivation behind this mornings attack.in London is premature.
The Met is being very clear to direct people to look at mental health as the cause - which makes me suspicious.
We are clearly not being told everything.
Or could actually be mental health issues......
Then name him. It's been 13hrs since the attack. They didn't fanny about like this over Jo Cox - he was identified as a lone nutter within a few hours.
A problem we have is that - who knows - 10%? of the population has serious mental health issues and if there is an increase in violence from such people it has to be asked what is triggering it. Whether it's radicalisation, indoctrination or copycat-ism, none of these reasons lets ideology off the hook.
Lets not forgot the attempted abduction of a squaddie but "two men". It took 2 weeks to release the photofits, when there is no way they wouldn't have done them on the day.
And the hardly at all reported casing of Aldershot soldiers the other week. The Norfolk photo-fits were risible.
They looked like almost every kebab shop worker I've ever said 'large doner, no pickles' to.
I wonder what the PMIs of the USA would have looked like six weeks after the Emancipation Proclamation. And what conclusions we would draw about the merits of the Proclamation if we knew, either way.
Are you really comparing the EU to slavery?
I so little regard the EU as akin to slavery, that I voted to stay in it. I am saying that it is gibberish to think that macropolitical decisions should be assessed on noise in the financial data six weeks out.
Think about the PMIs six weeks after the Declaration of Independence if you are happier with that.
To be honest, I'm ignoring all the economic indicators at the moment.
I'm waiting to see what the economic indicators show once we've got our Brexit deal sorted out.
I can see various hues of Brexit being implemented
50 shades of Brexit
I got a 50 Shades of Grey reference into a thread header last year. So proud.
Are you still on your hols or have I lost the plot?
I'm between holidays.
Suicide Squad tonight then head to the SouthWest tomorrow for a week.
So looking forward to Suicide Squad despite all the reviews. Sometimes we just need lazy Hollywood popcorn movies.
Interesting policy by Corbyn today on providing free universal childcare. Could be a very popular policy with middle England, not that he has any idea how to pay for it.
What about his plan to recruit 1 million people to build new infrastructure? I don't think we have 1 million unemployed builders and associated trades just looking for jobs.
So he wants to borrow £500bn to bring in more workers to work on white elephant projects.
The man is utterly mad.
I did some bag of the proverbial fag packet calculations. That £500 billion is 27% of current GDP, or about 28 years of UK economic growth assuming the state take grows to 50% (rather than the current 44%).
Given his love of all things Venezuelan, we would be heading to forced labour and mass starvation under a Corbyn administration - and he would be thinking he was going a great job of making his 'socialist' dreams come true.
Perhaps Corbyn has the 'famine road' model in mind for this scheme, or perhaps the People's Volunteer Corps that did such sterling work in Siberia.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
''Then name him. It's been 13hrs since the attack. They didn't fanny about like this over Jo Cox - he was identified as a lone nutter within a few hours. ''
And there was no mention of mental health issues there. Oh No. It was all the fault of 'the atmosphere created by Brexiteers. '
Rank double standards from the establishment.
Dave in germany was also misreported as right wing extremist ala brevik. Certain media who when suits them says we don't speculate, were busy speculating.
The Munich shooting must be one of the oddest versions of a story the BBC has ever run with. Their ‘breaking news’ of the incorrect name of the youth, several hours after every other news outlet had reported it more accurately, was utterly bizarre.
They also misreported what the authorities said & also who said what between balcony man and dave, despite there being video & full transitions in the public domain.
The Times did exactly the same - they totally misattributed the conversation. TBH, I've got sick of correcting of them. Their coverage of the POTUS elections is pathetic.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are openly hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
That' just rubbish, which Remainers on PB are "hoping for the UK to fall to bits?" Please name names.
These sort of comments are no more than thinly-veiled attempts to stifle criticism of the consequences of Brexit. People are extremely touchy given that we are still in the honeymoon period that comes before deciding what Brexit is actually going to mean.
How long before the Mail/Express start telling us how unpatriotic it is to criticise Brexit.
I wonder what the PMIs of the USA would have looked like six weeks after the Emancipation Proclamation. And what conclusions we would draw about the merits of the Proclamation if we knew, either way.
Are you really comparing the EU to slavery?
I so little regard the EU as akin to slavery, that I voted to stay in it. I am saying that it is gibberish to think that macropolitical decisions should be assessed on noise in the financial data six weeks out.
Think about the PMIs six weeks after the Declaration of Independence if you are happier with that.
To be honest, I'm ignoring all the economic indicators at the moment.
I'm waiting to see what the economic indicators show once we've got our Brexit deal sorted out.
I can see various hues of Brexit being implemented
50 shades of Brexit
I got a 50 Shades of Grey reference into a thread header last year. So proud.
Are you still on your hols or have I lost the plot?
I'm between holidays.
Suicide Squad tonight then head to the SouthWest tomorrow for a week.
So looking forward to Suicide Squad despite all the reviews. Sometimes we just need lazy Hollywood popcorn movies.
They are doing a Marvel and we get an extra scene during the credits.
I'm going to love this film no matter what. It has the future Mrs Eagles in it, Margot Robbie in it.
@ThreeQuidder I advised a simple cost-benefit analysis - Britain would be worse off culturally, morally and economically by following the lead of xenophobes, monomaniacs and nutjobs rather than remaining in the EU. So it is proving so far, as Leavers daily demonstrate that they are clueless, feckless, charmless and visionless.
I object to that, I happen to think I have some charm.
Indeed you are ! What about clueless, feckless, and visionless ? :-)
I think leaving the EU was a mistake, in direct economic terms, but also psychological terms because Leavers' rejection of globalisation, however understandable, makes it harder for the UK to find its way in the world. Nevertheless I am fascinated by how the huge mess will resolve itself, if indeed it will, and for that you have to hear the views of all sides of the argument.
I'll plead guilty to occasional fecklessness. But obviously, consider myself charming and clueful . I'm not sure I necessarily have to have a vision though. That's a bit of a burden for an ordinary mortal.
If we wanted to do a biased compare and contrast with EU economies Spain would be last on the list. It's practically German these days. Best Q2 economic growth in Europe iirc.
Italy is the sick man of Europe. Everybody looks good next to her.
Apart from Greece
Greece is a relative minnow. Italy was the world's fourth largest economy as recently as 1991. She's similar to the UK in that there's a prosperous core with a 2nd world hinterland.
Yes, Miland and Venice are still fine, it is Naples and Sicily which are the real problems
Northern Italy runs a large current account surplus and has unemployment around 6-7%. It has demographic problems, but there is pretty low private sector indebtedness. On productivity measures, it is among the top four or five regions in Europe,
Anyone who rules out an Islamic extremist motivation behind this mornings attack.in London is premature.
If it helps the investigation to temporarily mislead the media I am happy for this line to be pursued. But thanks for the hint.
My biggest concern is that the public aren't stupid and are increasingly mistrusting of the media and police.
When the chap shot his wife and daughter in Spalding - it was confirmed as domestic incident within 4hrs or so. Ditto the sex party bungalow shooting. We collectively assess the circumstances of an event and conclude what's most likely.
Spalding and Surrey Bungalow looked like domestic/drunken misadventures almost immediately. When the news won't tell us about the incident, don't ask for help finding witnesses, identify the suspects, release CCTV... we all smell cover-up/terrorism/Muslim related.
They have to look at their media operations - it's failing massively and every attempt to shut incidents down breeds exactly the wrong impression.
24 hours at most to give opportunity to follow up anonymously would be my maximum. So we should get details tonight. But you may be right and the PC brigade are at work.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are openly hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
That' just rubbish, which Remainers on PB are "hoping for the UK to fall to bits?" Please name names.
These sort of comments are no more than thinly-veiled attempts to stifle criticism of the consequences of Brexit. People are extremely touchy given that we are still in the honeymoon period that comes before deciding what Brexit is actually going to mean.
How long before the Mail/Express start telling us how unpatriotic it is to criticise Brexit.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
Anyone who rules out an Islamic extremist motivation behind this mornings attack.in London is premature.
If it helps the investigation to temporarily mislead the media I am happy for this line to be pursued. But thanks for the hint.
My biggest concern is that the public aren't stupid and are increasingly mistrusting of the media and police.
When the chap shot his wife and daughter in Spalding - it was confirmed as domestic incident within 4hrs or so. Ditto the sex party bungalow shooting. We collectively assess the circumstances of an event and conclude what's most likely.
Spalding and Surrey Bungalow looked like domestic/drunken misadventures almost immediately. When the news won't tell us about the incident, don't ask for help finding witnesses, identify the suspects, release CCTV... we all smell cover-up/terrorism/Muslim related.
They have to look at their media operations - it's failing massively and every attempt to shut incidents down breeds exactly the wrong impression.
24 hours at most to give opportunity to follow up anonymously would be my maximum. So we should get details tonight. But you may be right and the PC brigade are at work.
We do expect too much info from the police. We expect them to tell us who did what and why, and hope somehow that none of that will prejudice the trial!
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
I'm sure Remain would have been far more magnanimous had the outcome been reversed.
''Then name him. It's been 13hrs since the attack. They didn't fanny about like this over Jo Cox - he was identified as a lone nutter within a few hours. ''
And there was no mention of mental health issues there. Oh No. It was all the fault of 'the atmosphere created by Brexiteers. '
Rank double standards from the establishment.
Dave in germany was also misreported as right wing extremist ala brevik. Certain media who when suits them says we don't speculate, were busy speculating.
The Munich shooting must be one of the oddest versions of a story the BBC has ever run with. Their ‘breaking news’ of the incorrect name of the youth, several hours after every other news outlet had reported it more accurately, was utterly bizarre.
They also misreported what the authorities said & also who said what between balcony man and dave, despite there being video & full transitions in the public domain.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
No.
They have to accept that they lost and work for the best possible Leave.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
Not in the slightest, but there is an element within the PB remainders who appear to relish bad economic news, whilst ignoring or trashing anything positive.
We obviously have some way to go before those disappointed with the EU result, get it out of their system. Even though PB.Com has become particularly dull as a result imho, on the whole I’m happy to sit back and wait for it to pass.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
Not in the slightest, but there is an element within the PB remainders who appear to relish bad economic news, whilst ignoring or trashing anything positive.
We obviously have some way to go before those disappointed with the EU result, get it out of their system. Even though PB.Com has become particularly dull as a result, imho on the whole I’m happy to sit back and wait for it to pass.
For balance, there are some Brexiteers who are determined to ignore bad news, query basic facts and generally act in a suspicious and paranoid fashion. The world is not black and white.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
Not in the slightest, but there is an element within the PB remainders who appear to relish bad economic news, whilst ignoring or trashing anything positive.
We obviously have some way to go before those disappointed with the EU result, get it out of their system. Even though PB.Com has become particularly dull as a result, imho on the whole I’m happy to sit back and wait for it to pass.
For balance, there are some Brexiteers who are determined to ignore bad news, query basic facts and generally act in a suspicious and paranoid fashion. The world is not black and white.
Indeed there is Mr M.
[edit] Scott_P - there is fault on both sides, I agree.
On the topic of Corbyn, I'm off to Berlin this weekend (any tourist tips do let me know), and it got me thinking about the cold war.
Had the Russian's ever invaded Britain, I wonder what side Corbyn would've taken? I cant think of any other leader of the opposition where there would've been doubt in the answer to that question. Even Foot was fiercely patriotic. Yet with Corbyn I have genuine doubt.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are openly hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
That' just rubbish, which Remainers on PB are "hoping for the UK to fall to bits?" Please name names.
These sort of comments are no more than thinly-veiled attempts to stifle criticism of the consequences of Brexit. People are extremely touchy given that we are still in the honeymoon period that comes before deciding what Brexit is actually going to mean.
How long before the Mail/Express start telling us how unpatriotic it is to criticise Brexit.
Scott and Paste.
I think you will find that Scott simply reports links that are, shall we say, inconvenient from a Brexit POV. I seriously doubt he actively wishes the country ill, he's a Tory for heaven's sake!
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Anyone who rules out an Islamic extremist motivation behind this mornings attack.in London is premature.
The Met is being very clear to direct people to look at mental health as the cause - which makes me suspicious.
We are clearly not being told everything.
Or could actually be mental health issues......
Then name him. It's been 13hrs since the attack. They didn't fanny about like this over Jo Cox - he was identified as a lone nutter within a few hours.
A problem we have is that - who knows - 10%? of the population has serious mental health issues and if there is an increase in violence from such people it has to be asked what is triggering it. Whether it's radicalisation, indoctrination or copycat-ism, none of these reasons lets ideology off the hook.
Quite - the sort of random horror event committed by a seriously unwell person has always been mercifully rare. They stuck in our minds because they were so blue-moon. I tried to think of the last couple that were completely random - and discovered on Googling they were a few years ago.
One was a pensioner chopped down with an axe in the street, another in a park. The attackers were clearly out of their tree/off their medication - these incidents were connected with release from treatment centres or left without the necessary psychiatric care.
What we're seeing now seems quite different rather too often.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
The country was quite evenly split but will likely become less so as time passes. If the UK remains as the UK and we prosper I would expect those favouring Brexit to become a large majority. If Scotland breaks away and/or the UK falters economically then buyers remorse may kick in. It is perfectly valid for anyone to point out economic straws in the wind, but it will be a while before things become clear. To accuse those who are unconvinced by Brexit of talking down the economy when they point out the negative results that are so far apparent is unfair.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
I'm sure Remain would have been far more magnanimous had the outcome been reversed.
If Remain had won the Kippers would have been back campaigning for another referendum within a week.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are openly hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
That' just rubbish, which Remainers on PB are "hoping for the UK to fall to bits?" Please name names.
These sort of comments are no more than thinly-veiled attempts to stifle criticism of the consequences of Brexit. People are extremely touchy given that we are still in the honeymoon period that comes before deciding what Brexit is actually going to mean.
How long before the Mail/Express start telling us how unpatriotic it is to criticise Brexit.
Scott and Paste.
I think you will find that Scott simply reports links that are, shall we say, inconvenient from a Brexit POV. I seriously doubt he actively wishes the country ill, he's a Tory for heaven's sake!
He's not like any Tory I know, and I know a lot. Notice how TSE is being sensible and just ignoring the indicators until we have a plan? Or other previous Remain Tories who are just getting on with the job? Scott and Paste seems to relish each bit of bad news (most of it sentiment based as well) and ignore any good news (usually hard cash investments).
He is the epitome of what another poster outlined as someone who wants the country to fall to bits to prove they were right and we were wrong. FF43 and, unfortunately for someone normally quite sensible, TOPPING have moved towards this category as well.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Oman used to be my run, but it looks like that has ended, I am told it is Abu Dhabi now.
@ThreeQuidder I advised a simple cost-benefit analysis - Britain would be worse off culturally, morally and economically by following the lead of xenophobes, monomaniacs and nutjobs rather than remaining in the EU. So it is proving so far, as Leavers daily demonstrate that they are clueless, feckless, charmless and visionless. If you want to understand why confidence has taken a battering, understand that.
We could excuse such unhinged rantings because of your personal circumstances. But you were spouting this elitist nonsense many months ago.
I don't mind an elitist anti-Leave view, but I expect some new analysis or insight with interesting points of view and possible courses of action. That's what pb is famed for.
Saying, 'I was right, you are all idiots.. I told you so, pillocks etc.', is just boring.
To be fair it's pretty much what you have said about a number of 'Remainers' myself included.
Don't play the victim. The treatment you've received from other posters has been based on your behaviour on this site, not on your opinions.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Charles is the highest possible tier on British airways, Gold Guest List. On a recent return to the US, he booked economy. He went one way in Club and the other in First. Being GGL has real benefits.
But not so great, I think, as to justify wasting a week doing unnecessary travel.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Oman used to be my run, but it looks like that has ended, I am told it is Abu Dhabi now.
Have you decided to move to Switzerland - or are you staying put?
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
I'm sure Remain would have been far more magnanimous had the outcome been reversed.
If Remain had won the Kippers would have been back campaigning for another referendum within a week.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
I'm sure Remain would have been far more magnanimous had the outcome been reversed.
If Remain had won the Kippers would have been back campaigning for another referendum within a week.
Probably. But only because the deck was heavily stacked in favour of Remain.
A small Remain win is not equivalent to a small Leave win.
52-48 is actually quite a big win for Leave given all the establishment and authorities lined up against them.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Oman used to be my run, but it looks like that has ended, I am told it is Abu Dhabi now.
Have you decided to move to Switzerland - or are you staying put?
Waiting for the paperwork to come through, but it looks like I'm going.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
No.
They have to accept that they lost and work for the best possible Leave.
Don't be a (2).
I accept we lost but I didn't get the memo about being required to "work for the best possible Leave"
Is that a bit like UKIP working for the best possible EU for the last 10 years?
When we were in the EU many people said they were alienated from Britain because of the EUSSSR etc etc Well now we are heading out, guess what, many people feel equally disengaged and disaffected with the direction the country is going in.
Kippers would never ever reconcile to being in the EU whatever happened, a number of Remainers are not going to reconcile to the Brexit vision of the UK's future. That is something you need to accept.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Charles is the highest possible tier on British airways, Gold Guest List. On a recent return to the US, he booked economy. He went one way in Club and the other in First. Being GGL has real benefits.
But not so great, I think, as to justify wasting a week doing unnecessary travel.
Did they first enquire why "Sir" was intending to travel pleb class....
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
The country was quite evenly split but will likely become less so as time passes. If the UK remains as the UK and we prosper I would expect those favouring Brexit to become a large majority. If Scotland breaks away and/or the UK falters economically then buyers remorse may kick in. It is perfectly valid for anyone to point out economic straws in the wind, but it will be a while before things become clear. To accuse those who are unconvinced by Brexit of talking down the economy when they point out the negative results that are so far apparent is unfair.
Before I schlep off, just wanted to say: I have zero emotional attachment to the Union. A united Ireland and an independent Scotland sound like beneficial side effects of Brexit to me. If there's a democractic mandate for both, it makes sense.
Otherwise, completely agree. Bad news is bad news. Nothing has happened so far that wasn't predicted by the IFS report. The only plus side is that the Treasury forecast and GO's punishment budget have both been shown to be utter bollocks.
I run up about 3,500 tier points a year, which is a lot, but is a long way from Charles's GGL. To get GGL you need 5,000 which means you need to fly Club Class London to LA roughly every 10 days. That's a serious amount of flying.
Have they taken away the 3000 points two years running way of getting in? I used to have it when I was at Sony and doing return trips to Tokyo a couple of times a month. I'm trying to work my way up to lifetime gold status, but that's a lot of points away.
They have. It went about two years ago.
Well there goes my chance of getting GGL again.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
I have heard stories of these guys who when it comes to the end of the year for this kind of stuff spend days flying to the far ends of the earth to ensure that they keep their top tier.
Oman used to be my run, but it looks like that has ended, I am told it is Abu Dhabi now.
Have you decided to move to Switzerland - or are you staying put?
Waiting for the paperwork to come through, but it looks like I'm going.
I remain jealous. We were very close to moving there a few years ago - I love the place - but not Zurich et al, then again I'm quite a bit older/rural sort so not after the buzz lifestyle.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
No.
They have to accept that they lost and work for the best possible Leave.
Don't be a (2).
As it goes - in a democracy people really don't have to do anything because you tell them to. Just as Farage said the fight would go on if he lost. I certainly wish the UK well - it pays my pension after all - but if many of the predictions of the impact of Brexit occur then pointing it out is neither wrong nor unpatriotic.
@ThreeQuidder I advised a simple cost-benefit analysis - Britain would be worse off culturally, morally and economically by following the lead of xenophobes, monomaniacs and nutjobs rather than remaining in the EU. So it is proving so far, as Leavers daily demonstrate that they are clueless, feckless, charmless and visionless. If you want to understand why confidence has taken a battering, understand that.
We could excuse such unhinged rantings because of your personal circumstances. But you were spouting this elitist nonsense many months ago.
I don't mind an elitist anti-Leave view, but I expect some new analysis or insight with interesting points of view and possible courses of action. That's what pb is famed for.
Saying, 'I was right, you are all idiots.. I told you so, pillocks etc.', is just boring.
To be fair it's pretty much what you have said about a number of 'Remainers' myself included.
Don't play the victim. The treatment you've received from other posters has been based on your behaviour on this site, not on your opinions.
We Remainers are the victims of those who want Brexit no matter what the cost will be to the economy of this country . You voted for Brexit . Man up and accept the blame when it all goes belly up .
I accept we lost but I didn't get the memo about being required to "work for the best possible Leave"
Is that a bit like UKIP working for the best possible EU for the last 10 years?
When we were in the EU many people said they were alienated from Britain because of the EUSSSR etc etc Well now we are heading out, guess what, many people feel equally disengaged and disaffected with the direction the country is going in.
Kippers would never ever reconcile to being in the EU whatever happened, a number of Remainers are not going to reconcile to the Brexit vision of the UK's future. That is something you need to accept.
I actually understand that and have no problem with it. If you want to campaign to rejoin the EU or to maintain as close a relationship with the EU as possible then that is entirely your choice. What I have a problem with is people taking a couple of economic indicators and using them as evidence for a recession then saying, look this indicator I'd never heard of is bad according to Twitter #brexitfail. Etc...
There are going to be people who can't reconcile themselves to leaving, I have no doubt about it. Surely instead of moaning about the result it would be better to campaign for re-entry or EEA membership?
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
Not in the slightest, but there is an element within the PB remainders who appear to relish bad economic news, whilst ignoring or trashing anything positive.
We obviously have some way to go before those disappointed with the EU result, get it out of their system. Even though PB.Com has become particularly dull as a result imho, on the whole I’m happy to sit back and wait for it to pass.
Personally I don't comment on any of the economic stories because it's way too soon to form a judgement - we are at least 2 years from actually even being out.
I still firmly believe it was a mistake but whilst I am not actively hoping that that proves to be the case I am certainly not going to hold back it it becomes apparent that it was.
Of course on the subject of making "the best leave possible", worth noting that first rank cheerleader for Brexit Dan Hannan is doing his bit. He is putting all of his efforts into restoring blue passports.
@ThreeQuidder I advised a simple cost-benefit analysis - Britain would be worse off culturally, morally and economically by following the lead of xenophobes, monomaniacs and nutjobs rather than remaining in the EU. So it is proving so far, as Leavers daily demonstrate that they are clueless, feckless, charmless and visionless. If you want to understand why confidence has taken a battering, understand that.
We could excuse such unhinged rantings because of your personal circumstances. But you were spouting this elitist nonsense many months ago.
I don't mind an elitist anti-Leave view, but I expect some new analysis or insight with interesting points of view and possible courses of action. That's what pb is famed for.
Saying, 'I was right, you are all idiots.. I told you so, pillocks etc.', is just boring.
To be fair it's pretty much what you have said about a number of 'Remainers' myself included.
Don't play the victim. The treatment you've received from other posters has been based on your behaviour on this site, not on your opinions.
Oh dear you just cannot stop yourself can you. I think you even admitted once how unstable you were regarding the EU and you chide me on my 'behaviour'. And forget other posters you are about as unpleasant as it gets on here.
I slipped and bruised my knee this morning. Bloody Brexit! Where will it all end?
I'm amused by it really. How many things can you pin on a vote which has yet to be acted upon?
The contents of my fridge salad drawer are evolving. I keep putting off the increasingly urgent need to zap it before it learns how to operate the TV remote and watch E4.
Kippers would never ever reconcile to being in the EU whatever happened, a number of Remainers are not going to reconcile to the Brexit vision of the UK's future.
Yes, there's a word for people like that, but in deference to their feelings I refer to them as (2)s.
@ThreeQuidder I advised a simple cost-benefit analysis - Britain would be worse off culturally, morally and economically by following the lead of xenophobes, monomaniacs and nutjobs rather than remaining in the EU. So it is proving so far, as Leavers daily demonstrate that they are clueless, feckless, charmless and visionless. If you want to understand why confidence has taken a battering, understand that.
We could excuse such unhinged rantings because of your personal circumstances. But you were spouting this elitist nonsense many months ago.
I don't mind an elitist anti-Leave view, but I expect some new analysis or insight with interesting points of view and possible courses of action. That's what pb is famed for.
Saying, 'I was right, you are all idiots.. I told you so, pillocks etc.', is just boring.
To be fair it's pretty much what you have said about a number of 'Remainers' myself included.
Don't play the victim. The treatment you've received from other posters has been based on your behaviour on this site, not on your opinions.
We Remainers are the victims of those who want Brexit no matter what the cost will be to the economy of this country . You voted for Brexit . Man up and accept the blame when it all goes belly up .
Kippers would never ever reconcile to being in the EU whatever happened, a number of Remainers are not going to reconcile to the Brexit vision of the UK's future.
Yes, there's a word for people like that, but in deference to their feelings I refer to them as (2)s.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are openly hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
That' just rubbish, which Remainers on PB are "hoping for the UK to fall to bits?" Please name names.
These sort of comments are no more than thinly-veiled attempts to stifle criticism of the consequences of Brexit. People are extremely touchy given that we are still in the honeymoon period that comes before deciding what Brexit is actually going to mean.
How long before the Mail/Express start telling us how unpatriotic it is to criticise Brexit.
Scott and Paste.
I think you will find that Scott simply reports links that are, shall we say, inconvenient from a Brexit POV. I seriously doubt he actively wishes the country ill, he's a Tory for heaven's sake!
He's not like any Tory I know, and I know a lot. Notice how TSE is being sensible and just ignoring the indicators until we have a plan? Or other previous Remain Tories who are just getting on with the job? Scott and Paste seems to relish each bit of bad news (most of it sentiment based as well) and ignore any good news (usually hard cash investments).
He is the epitome of what another poster outlined as someone who wants the country to fall to bits to prove they were right and we were wrong. FF43 and, unfortunately for someone normally quite sensible, TOPPING have moved towards this category as well.
To be honest it just sounds as though the thinks he points out irritate you.
What a shame your childish and petulant behaviour is still unchanged 6 weeks later.
I had hoped your time off (albeit for deeply unpleasant reasons) would have provided you with some needed perspective.
We had about a fortnight of financial turbulence, following the vote on 23rd June, which has now subsided.
Yeah, I just thought we'd all moved on from the point scoring, finger pointing and early stages of grief, now, and we're moving into acceptance now with a focus on what happens next/should happen next.
Clearly, I was mistaken.
I find it incredibly depressing how some people are opening hoping, both on PB and elsewhere, for the UK to fall to bits just so that they can virtue signal their IN vote.
Yes, they haven't quite got their head round the fundamental fact of democracy: sometimes you lose.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
I'm sure Remain would have been far more magnanimous had the outcome been reversed.
If Remain had won the Kippers would have been back campaigning for another referendum within a week.
Probably. But only because the deck was heavily stacked in favour of Remain.
A small Remain win is not equivalent to a small Leave win.
52-48 is actually quite a big win for Leave given all the establishment and authorities lined up against them.
Only in your head I'm afraid. In the real world a 3.8% win is the same whoever won it.
He's not like any Tory I know, and I know a lot. Notice how TSE is being sensible and just ignoring the indicators until we have a plan? Or other previous Remain Tories who are just getting on with the job? Scott and Paste seems to relish each bit of bad news (most of it sentiment based as well) and ignore any good news (usually hard cash investments).
He is the epitome of what another poster outlined as someone who wants the country to fall to bits to prove they were right and we were wrong. FF43 and, unfortunately for someone normally quite sensible, TOPPING have moved towards this category as well.
For the record, I absolutely don't want the country to fall to bits. I don't actually expect it to fall to bits economically, although it might in terms of the Union. I am also not in the slightest bit interested in proving myself right. I am perfectly comfortable with my own prejudices without needing them to be confirmed. I am however interested in the debate. It is a complex, not to say, messy subject.
@ThreeQuidder I advised a simple cost-benefit analysis - Britain would be worse off culturally, morally and economically by following the lead of xenophobes, monomaniacs and nutjobs rather than remaining in the EU. So it is proving so far, as Leavers daily demonstrate that they are clueless, feckless, charmless and visionless. If you want to understand why confidence has taken a battering, understand that.
We could excuse such unhinged rantings because of your personal circumstances. But you were spouting this elitist nonsense many months ago.
I don't mind an elitist anti-Leave view, but I expect some new analysis or insight with interesting points of view and possible courses of action. That's what pb is famed for.
Saying, 'I was right, you are all idiots.. I told you so, pillocks etc.', is just boring.
To be fair it's pretty much what you have said about a number of 'Remainers' myself included.
Don't play the victim. The treatment you've received from other posters has been based on your behaviour on this site, not on your opinions.
Oh dear you just cannot stop yourself can you. I think you even admitted once how unstable you were regarding the EU and you chide me on my 'behaviour'. And forget other posters you are about as unpleasant as it gets on here.
And yet you persist in pointing out the failings of others, and remembering the slights you feel you've suffered yourself, whilst being totally blind to your own.
@Peston: The 3-year cost of Brexit is 2.5 percentage points of lost GDP or national income, even with its exceptional stimulus, says Bank of England
I have never felt so in control. Bathed in the warm glow of Sovereignty
That warm glow you are bathed in is actually the piss running down your leg as you're now beginning to really fear that leaving the EU is going to be a roaring success.
Lets not forgot the attempted abduction of a squaddie but "two men". It took 2 weeks to release the photofits, when there is no way they wouldn't have done them on the day.
And the hardly at all reported casing of Aldershot soldiers the other week. The Norfolk photo-fits were risible.
They looked like almost every kebab shop worker I've ever said 'large doner, no pickles' to.
Stop right there. no pickles. Really? Really? Give your head a wobble. No pickles is just wrong. @PlatoSaid I am very disappointed in you.
@Peston: The 3-year cost of Brexit is 2.5 percentage points of lost GDP or national income, even with its exceptional stimulus, says Bank of England
I have never felt so in control. Bathed in the warm glow of Sovereignty
That warm glow you are bathed in is actually the piss running down your leg as you're now beginning to really fear that leaving the EU is going to be a roaring success.
I accept we lost but I didn't get the memo about being required to "work for the best possible Leave"
Is that a bit like UKIP working for the best possible EU for the last 10 years?
When we were in the EU many people said they were alienated from Britain because of the EUSSSR etc etc Well now we are heading out, guess what, many people feel equally disengaged and disaffected with the direction the country is going in.
Kippers would never ever reconcile to being in the EU whatever happened, a number of Remainers are not going to reconcile to the Brexit vision of the UK's future. That is something you need to accept.
I actually understand that and have no problem with it. If you want to campaign to rejoin the EU or to maintain as close a relationship with the EU as possible then that is entirely your choice. What I have a problem with is people taking a couple of economic indicators and using them as evidence for a recession then saying, look this indicator I'd never heard of is bad according to Twitter #brexitfail. Etc...
There are going to be people who can't reconcile themselves to leaving, I have no doubt about it. Surely instead of moaning about the result it would be better to campaign for re-entry or EEA membership?
Bit of schadenfreude there given you constantly witter on about mince indicators. Take your head out your erchie and realise other people have opinions and also you may not be as smart as you think you are.
I wonder what the PMIs of the USA would have looked like six weeks after the Emancipation Proclamation. And what conclusions we would draw about the merits of the Proclamation if we knew, either way.
Are you really comparing the EU to slavery?
I so little regard the EU as akin to slavery, that I voted to stay in it. I am saying that it is gibberish to think that macropolitical decisions should be assessed on noise in the financial data six weeks out.
Think about the PMIs six weeks after the Declaration of Independence if you are happier with that.
To be honest, I'm ignoring all the economic indicators at the moment.
I'm waiting to see what the economic indicators show once we've got our Brexit deal sorted out.
I can see various hues of Brexit being implemented
50 shades of Brexit
I got a 50 Shades of Grey reference into a thread header last year. So proud.
Are you still on your hols or have I lost the plot?
I'm between holidays.
Suicide Squad tonight then head to the SouthWest tomorrow for a week.
So looking forward to Suicide Squad despite all the reviews. Sometimes we just need lazy Hollywood popcorn movies.
They are doing a Marvel and we get an extra scene during the credits.
I'm going to love this film no matter what. It has the future Mrs Eagles in it, Margot Robbie in it.
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They looked like almost every kebab shop worker I've ever said 'large doner, no pickles' to.
I'll have to work my way up to lifetime gold membership I guess.
These sort of comments are no more than thinly-veiled attempts to stifle criticism of the consequences of Brexit. People are extremely touchy given that we are still in the honeymoon period that comes before deciding what Brexit is actually going to mean.
How long before the Mail/Express start telling us how unpatriotic it is to criticise Brexit.
I'm going to love this film no matter what. It has the future Mrs Eagles in it, Margot Robbie in it.
Southern Italy doesn't do quite so well.
So losing a referendum by a margin of 3.8% means that 48% of the population are required to remain silent for ever more on the consequences of Brexit? Some democracy.
Fuck off. Please. Just fuck off.
Quick, call in the psychiatrist squad.
http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article157477536/Anwohner-nach-Balkon-Wutrede-angezeigt.html
They have to accept that they lost and work for the best possible Leave.
Don't be a (2).
We obviously have some way to go before those disappointed with the EU result, get it out of their system. Even though PB.Com has become particularly dull as a result imho, on the whole I’m happy to sit back and wait for it to pass.
They can whistle a happy tune, while the realists get on with solving the problems
[edit] Scott_P - there is fault on both sides, I agree.
Had the Russian's ever invaded Britain, I wonder what side Corbyn would've taken? I cant think of any other leader of the opposition where there would've been doubt in the answer to that question. Even Foot was fiercely patriotic. Yet with Corbyn I have genuine doubt.
One was a pensioner chopped down with an axe in the street, another in a park. The attackers were clearly out of their tree/off their medication - these incidents were connected with release from treatment centres or left without the necessary psychiatric care.
What we're seeing now seems quite different rather too often.
I like that forum, because it makes most PBers look positively normal.
If Scotland breaks away and/or the UK falters economically then buyers remorse may kick in.
It is perfectly valid for anyone to point out economic straws in the wind, but it will be a while before things become clear. To accuse those who are unconvinced by Brexit of talking down the economy when they point out the negative results that are so far apparent is unfair.
No wonder he is pro-Corbyn
If Remain had won the Kippers would have been back campaigning for another referendum within a week.
He is the epitome of what another poster outlined as someone who wants the country to fall to bits to prove they were right and we were wrong. FF43 and, unfortunately for someone normally quite sensible, TOPPING have moved towards this category as well.
But not so great, I think, as to justify wasting a week doing unnecessary travel.
I post topical news. if you are too blinkered to read it, that's your problem.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
Probably. But only because the deck was heavily stacked in favour of Remain.
A small Remain win is not equivalent to a small Leave win.
52-48 is actually quite a big win for Leave given all the establishment and authorities lined up against them.
I accept we lost but I didn't get the memo about being required to "work for the best possible Leave"
Is that a bit like UKIP working for the best possible EU for the last 10 years?
When we were in the EU many people said they were alienated from Britain because of the EUSSSR etc etc Well now we are heading out, guess what, many people feel equally disengaged and disaffected with the direction the country is going in.
Kippers would never ever reconcile to being in the EU whatever happened, a number of Remainers are not going to reconcile to the Brexit vision of the UK's future. That is something you need to accept.
Otherwise, completely agree. Bad news is bad news. Nothing has happened so far that wasn't predicted by the IFS report. The only plus side is that the Treasury forecast and GO's punishment budget have both been shown to be utter bollocks.
TTFN.
LOL
I'm amused by it really. How many things can you pin on a vote which has yet to be acted upon?
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There are going to be people who can't reconcile themselves to leaving, I have no doubt about it. Surely instead of moaning about the result it would be better to campaign for re-entry or EEA membership?
I still firmly believe it was a mistake but whilst I am not actively hoping that that proves to be the case I am certainly not going to hold back it it becomes apparent that it was.
Key priority, obviously...
I blame my procrastination on Brexit.
You're a (2).
Only in your head I'm afraid. In the real world a 3.8% win is the same whoever won it.
I think that says a lot about you.
I discount the content of your posts accordingly.
Give your head a wobble.
No pickles is just wrong.
@PlatoSaid I am very disappointed in you.