Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
It's a pretty unusual constituency. You have Totnes, and the Dart Valley leading up to Buckfastleigh, which as Marquee Mark puts it, is now twinned with Narnia. It's also the European centre of witchcraft.
The South coast, leading from Dartmouth round to Thurlstone, has perhaps the most beautiful coastal scenery in England.
Agatha Christie's favourite part of the country. David Dimbleby also has a house there.
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
Who was the person who cleaned their moat on expenses, or had the duck house? Will these be what they're remembered for? What an outcome for years of public service, as Cameron reminded us at lunchtime.
@bigjohnowls You should be able to work out quite quickly by elimination who voted which way in the NEC meetings on the various votes. Then the membership can act accordingly.
There are a range of exciting options: death threats, bricks through windows, hate-filled emails, co-ordinated Twitter attacks, and so on.
One member of the NEC, think it was Johanna Baxter, was just being interviewed on Radio 4 and was literally in tears at the abuse she had received and Corbyn's blasé response to it.
This is not the way a democratic party should behave.
Voting for the secret ballot would have been “an active thing he could have done to demonstrate his support to colleagues taking a very difficult decision yesterday, and he wouldn’t do it. It was was the most shameful thing I have ever seen,” she said.
I thought the decision to have a secret ballot was gruesomely undemocratic. (I can understand why people would have wanted it for personal protection, but there were clearly other less wholesome reasons why people would have wanted it too.) I think it is pretty outrageous to claim that someone wanting votes to be made public was actively endorsing intimidation and violence - that's a nasty smear.
I don't know. Gladstone brought in secret ballots in national elections precisely to make them less open to bribery and bullying. It's also why Thatcher brought in secret strike ballots. I would have said those moves made them more democratic as people would then vote without fear for their lives. I can't see, by contrast, why a ballot on labour membership rules needs to be public.
I think there is a distinction to be drawn between knowing how a representative has voted - in parliament, on an NEC, at a conference etc. - when that individual might need to be held to account for their decisions, and knowing how an individual has voted at an election, referendum or vote of whatever kind, where the voter doesn't need to be accountable for their action and so should have maximum freedom.
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
Who was the person who cleaned their moat on expenses, or had the duck house? Will these be what they're remembered for? What an outcome for years of public service, as Cameron reminded us at lunchtime.
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
Who was the person who cleaned their moat on expenses, or had the duck house? Will these be what they're remembered for? What an outcome for years of public service, as Cameron reminded us at lunchtime.
Douglas Hogg claimed for cleaning his moat; Peter Viggers for his Duck House; James Arbuthnot for his helipad.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
I can see why you might be concerned but what's his religion got to do with it?
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
Who was the person who cleaned their moat on expenses, or had the duck house? Will these be what they're remembered for? What an outcome for years of public service, as Cameron reminded us at lunchtime.
Douglas Hogg - but he didn't. One of those urban myths that are so damaging.
I liked Gerald Kaufman's attempt to spend £9000 on a TV. He blamed his OCD...
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
It's a pretty unusual constituency. You have Totnes, and the Dart Valley leading up to Buckfastleigh, which as Marquee Mark puts it, is now twinned with Narnia. It's also the European centre of witchcraft.
The South coast, leading from Dartmouth round to Thurlstone, has perhaps the most beautiful coastal scenery in England.
The 'alternative' part accounts for about 15% of the electorate. Brixham, Dartmouth and Kingsbridge are more conventional blue rinse retirement areas.
@DecrepitJohnL It's because no one else decent really wants the job, to be quite frank. The England job is a poisoned chalice. I still remember there were people who thought that this England team could do 'well' this year and even win the tournament....
Almost any team can win the Euros now - we had quite enough talent to do so this year. Aside from Ronaldo and possibly Nani/Pepe you'd take the England players. Except Sterling. Definitely not Sterling.
I don't think the squad was anywhere near as talented as many thought. Essentially the people who were expected to lead England to glory were a bunch of Spurs bottlers and players from an 8th place team (Liverpool). I think there are several differences between Portugal and England tbh. First, is that Portugal (especially after the group stages) played far more like a team than England did. They really ironed out much of the defensive weaknesses we saw during the Hungary game. While Portugal had their fair share of players who weren't particularly rated, Cristiano Ronaldo is obviously head and shoulders above anyone in an England shirt. As is Pepe, Nani, and Patricio after his performance in this tournament. Perhaps even Sanches.
Looking at the kind of captain Ronaldo has been for Portugal all this tournament - especially when he turned manager in the final - who in the England squad as anywhere close to his mettle and bottle? No one. Certainly not Rooney, who I've never seen take control of games in an international tournament the way Ronaldo did versus Hungary.
While Sterling was poor, they were many others who were also just as poor. Adam Lallana has been practically useless for England for two international tournaments in a row now. Wilshere should have never been picked, as the last time he played 90 minutes for Arsenal was back in 2014. Harry Kane is potentially in the discussion for one of the worst players of the tournament. Like with England U21s last year, he pretty much did nothing in this tournament. Dele Alli was underwhelming. Rooney is simply not effective in midfield, and is no longer good enough to be England's main striker. Arguably for the sake of everyone he should retire. Joe Hart is total joke and you can compare and contrast his performance in this tournament all day long with Rui Patricio. The only players who I think come out with any credit is Marcus Rashford who for the short spells we saw in the tournament was impressive, and Eric Dier.
Rashford came on in 86th minute vs Iceland and 73rd minute vs Wales! Nuff said!
And in that short time period versus Iceland had more of an impact than many of the players who had been playing most of the match.
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
It's a pretty unusual constituency. You have Totnes, and the Dart Valley leading up to Buckfastleigh, which as Marquee Mark puts it, is now twinned with Narnia. It's also the European centre of witchcraft.
The South coast, leading from Dartmouth round to Thurlstone, has perhaps the most beautiful coastal scenery in England.
I think large chunks of the borough of Torbay (including for example Paignton and Brixham) are actually in the Totnes seat rather than in the Torbay seat...
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
In a parallel universe she might consider appointing Larry the Cat as prime minister.
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
Who was the person who cleaned their moat on expenses, or had the duck house? Will these be what they're remembered for? What an outcome for years of public service, as Cameron reminded us at lunchtime.
Douglas Hogg - but he didn't. One of those urban myths that are so damaging.
I liked Gerald Kaufman's attempt to spend £9000 on a TV. He blamed his OCD...
The duck house was owned by Peter Viggers, tory MP for Gosport.
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
Yes, Graham Brady has confirmed her as leader of the Conservatives and the party is able to command a majority in the HoC.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Anyone? Jack W? Sean F? David H?
Yes. Technically the whole government resigns as well.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Anyone? Jack W? Sean F? David H?
I'm 90% sure that the Cabinet continues, since they are all technically appointed by the Queen.
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
One wonders if Liz is sometimes tempted to dismiss all the politicians and "rule" herself.
I've got to be honest, with politicians held in such low public regard, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the public approved of such a thing were it to happen...
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Anyone? Jack W? Sean F? David H?
Yes. Technically the whole government resigns as well.
Oh right, but if they weren't to tender their resignation (I take it Cameron resigned for the entire government?)
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.
He still knew there were bergs about and that they'd be difficult to spot but carried on anyway.
You can't blame one man for it. If blame lies anywhere it's with asshats in Parliament who thought they could devise a smarter safety formula than "lifeboats for all"...
I certainly wouldn't blame one man for it - but by the same token, I wouldn't absolve the captain simply because others ran similar risks or because others were at fault for insufficient lifeboat capacity.
You could argue that had the maths been done correctly, Andrews would have realised that she needed a bigger rudder.
In accidents where people were not deliberately trying to cause harm, it is simply unhelpful to focus on blame, and particularly so if it leads you to stop the accident investigation at the human behaviour that was the proximate cause of the accident. A more pertinent question is always 'what aspects of the system set the person up to fail, rather than succeed.' Even if the 'human error' is down to poor decision-making of one individual, which it almost never is, you should ask what contributed to the poor decision-making.
Focus on blame is a bad way to proceed - it will never achieve safety, just silence and cover up.
In the case of the Titanic, you might as well blame those who labelled it unsinkable as the Captain.
She was never labelled "unsinkable", but "practically unsinkable."
And that was accurate. I would estimate the catastrophic encounter with the iceberg to be of the order of a 5-sigma event.
She almost survived it too. A few yards of plating missed by the berg and she might not have sunk.
Other large ships with far less damage went to the bottom in minutes.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Anyone? Jack W? Sean F? David H?
Yes. Technically the whole government resigns as well.
Oh right, but if they weren't to tender their resignation (I take it Cameron resigned for the entire government?)
If the PM resigns, I believe constitutionally they are also resigning on behalf of the entire government.
When Cameron resigns at 5 pm do all the cabinet lose their jobs with him or does Osborne, for instance, remain C of E until May appoints his replacement?
Anyone? Jack W? Sean F? David H?
Yes. Technically the whole government resigns as well.
Oh right, but if they weren't to tender their resignation (I take it Cameron resigned for the entire government?)
Cameron resigns for the government, ministers send their resignations in to May as the new PM.
However, they usually remain in office until successors are appointed. Exceptions would be Seely in 1913, Asquith taking that Ministry himself (silly decision, left the War Office completely rudderless when a Civil War was threatening and the whole of Europe was seething with tension) and 1834, when Melbourne and all his ministers were forced to quit by the King and Wellington had to temporarily hold every office until Peel returned from Italy to form a new government.
The Evening Standard had a peek into the office in the Palace of Westminster where he will start his new life as a backbench MP and discovered that it boasts a medieval-style stone staircase, oak panelling and painted ceilings.
Staff were sprucing up the hastily emptied suite in St Stephen’s Tower for its new occupant, cleaning a stain from the green carpet, after four Tory MPs were kicked out to make way for him.
Crates with Mr Cameron’s name on were stacked outside, while the names of three of his key staff were written on notes attached to some of the desks.
The suite, which is 20ft wide and 24ft long, has commanding views of Westminster Abbey and the ancient Jewel House — part of the original Royal Palace.
Until yesterday it was home to at least four Welsh MPs who, colleagues say, were given 24 hours’ notice to move out.
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.
He still knew there were bergs about and that they'd be difficult to spot but carried on anyway.
You can't blame one man for it. If blame lies anywhere it's with asshats in Parliament who thought they could devise a smarter safety formula than "lifeboats for all"...
I certainly wouldn't blame one man for it - but by the same token, I wouldn't absolve the captain simply because others ran similar risks or because others were at fault for insufficient lifeboat capacity.
You could argue that had the maths been done correctly, Andrews would have realised that she needed a bigger rudder.
In accidents where people were not deliberately trying to cause harm, it is simply unhelpful to focus on blame, and particularly so if it leads you to stop the accident investigation at the human behaviour that was the proximate cause of the accident. A more pertinent question is always 'what aspects of the system set the person up to fail, rather than succeed.' Even if the 'human error' is down to poor decision-making of one individual, which it almost never is, you should ask what contributed to the poor decision-making.
Focus on blame is a bad way to proceed - it will never achieve safety, just silence and cover up.
In the case of the Titanic, you might as well blame those who labelled it unsinkable as the Captain.
She was never labelled "unsinkable", but "practically unsinkable."
And that was accurate. I would estimate the catastrophic encounter with the iceberg to be of the order of a 5-sigma event.
She almost survived it too. A few yards of plating missed by the berg and she might not have sunk.
Other large ships with far less damage went to the bottom in minutes.
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
@bigjohnowls You should be able to work out quite quickly by elimination who voted which way in the NEC meetings on the various votes. Then the membership can act accordingly.
There are a range of exciting options: death threats, bricks through windows, hate-filled emails, co-ordinated Twitter attacks, and so on.
One member of the NEC, think it was Johanna Baxter, was just being interviewed on Radio 4 and was literally in tears at the abuse she had received and Corbyn's blasé response to it.
This is not the way a democratic party should behave.
Voting for the secret ballot would have been “an active thing he could have done to demonstrate his support to colleagues taking a very difficult decision yesterday, and he wouldn’t do it. It was was the most shameful thing I have ever seen,” she said.
I thought the decision to have a secret ballot was gruesomely undemocratic. (I can understand why people would have wanted it for personal protection, but there were clearly other less wholesome reasons why people would have wanted it too.) I think it is pretty outrageous to claim that someone wanting votes to be made public was actively endorsing intimidation and violence - that's a nasty smear.
What the hell is gruesomely undemocratic about a secret ballot? Your concept of democracy seems seriously flawed.
There is an argument that where you are representing many people that you should justify your choices to those you represent. It's the reason why MPs votes are open .
@JohnRentoul: Kremlinologist watching #PMQs says Amber Rudd seemed to take special interest in SNP Q re Brain family deportation. Headed for Home Office?
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
It's a pretty unusual constituency. You have Totnes, and the Dart Valley leading up to Buckfastleigh, which as Marquee Mark puts it, is now twinned with Narnia. It's also the European centre of witchcraft.
The South coast, leading from Dartmouth round to Thurlstone, has perhaps the most beautiful coastal scenery in England.
I think large chunks of the borough of Torbay (including for example Paignton and Brixham) are actually in the Totnes seat rather than in the Torbay seat...
Yes, Torbay loses parts of Paignton (a big council estate) and round to Brixham which fall within Totnes.
Torbay USED to be twinned with Narnia, for several years, but the council finally got annoyed and painted over it.
She was never labelled "unsinkable", but "practically unsinkable."
And that was accurate. I would estimate the catastrophic encounter with the iceberg to be of the order of a 5-sigma event.
She almost survived it too. A few yards of plating missed by the berg and she might not have sunk.
Other large ships with far less damage went to the bottom in minutes.
The builder said 'practically' the advertisers left it out. So you are both right.
Agree with the rest, although it is worth noting the Great Eastern suffered far more significant damage than the Titanic without sinking, because it was constructed with a double hull. If that had been applied to all ships, the Titanic would not have been lost.
It is also very sobering to think that it is less than 30 years since all oil tankers has to be double hulled, and how many oil spills we would have been spared if they had been built that way from the start.
@JohnRentoul: Kremlinologist watching #PMQs says Amber Rudd seemed to take special interest in SNP Q re Brain family deportation. Headed for Home Office?
Can't they apply for their visa online ? Dragging them to London seems harsh.
@bigjohnowls You should be able to work out quite quickly by elimination who voted which way in the NEC meetings on the various votes. Then the membership can act accordingly.
There are a range of exciting options: death threats, bricks through windows, hate-filled emails, co-ordinated Twitter attacks, and so on.
One member of the NEC, think it was Johanna Baxter, was just being interviewed on Radio 4 and was literally in tears at the abuse she had received and Corbyn's blasé response to it.
This is not the way a democratic party should behave.
Voting for the secret ballot would have been “an active thing he could have done to demonstrate his support to colleagues taking a very difficult decision yesterday, and he wouldn’t do it. It was was the most shameful thing I have ever seen,” she said.
I thought the decision to have a secret ballot was gruesomely undemocratic. (I can understand why people would have wanted it for personal protection, but there were clearly other less wholesome reasons why people would have wanted it too.) I think it is pretty outrageous to claim that someone wanting votes to be made public was actively endorsing intimidation and violence - that's a nasty smear.
What the hell is gruesomely undemocratic about a secret ballot? Your concept of democracy seems seriously flawed.
There is an argument that where you are representing many people that you should justify your choices to those you represent. It's the reason why MPs votes are open .
Everyone involved in the most senior ranks of the Labour party are either mendacious or thick as a brick though.
One wonders if Liz is sometimes tempted to dismiss all the politicians and "rule" herself.
I've got to be honest, with politicians held in such low public regard, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the public approved of such a thing were it to happen...
.. until the first decision.
Politicians are held in low public regard only because they can't please everyone all the time. In fact, they can't please everyone any of the time. That's in the nature of governing; all the easy decisions, which no one much disagrees with, hardly get noticed in the first place.
(update) Et al’ – any idea when the procession to No10 is likely to start ?
Sky are suggesting that Cameron's appointment with HM is at 5pm, followed by May at 6pm, so could be a long night waiting for the phone to ring, for a number of ministers.
What's the vote this evening? Will we see Dave back for it? Could seriously interrupt the phone-watching.
"... has commanding views of Westminster Abbey and the ancient Jewel House — part of the original Royal Palace ..."
Mr. Flaming Picky, would like to point out that the Jewel tower was built in the mid fourteenth century and could not therefore have been part of the original Palace of Westminster which was built about three centuries earlier.
Out of interest is there any OFFICIAL reason to believe Theresa May will be the next Prime minister. Has the Palace said anything? It's all well and good the Tories choosing a new leader but it's up to her Majesty to decide who she thinks can command the authority of the House.
In a parallel universe she might consider appointing Larry the Cat as prime minister.
I wouldn't trust him not to use Trident on the mice....
I don't usually think of people as "impactful", but if I had to give the label to somebody it would probably be Edward John Smith, RD, RNR (27 January 1850 – 15 April 1912).
The poor bastard wasn't even on the bridge at the time...
No, but the ship was still sailing under his orders i.e. too fast in an area known to contain icebergs.
Standard procedure for the time. And he had altered course. Just not enough. The bergs were unusually far south that year.
He still knew there were bergs about and that they'd be difficult to spot but carried on anyway.
You can't blame one man for it. If blame lies anywhere it's with asshats in Parliament who thought they could devise a smarter safety formula than "lifeboats for all"...
I certainly wouldn't blame one man for it - but by the same token, I wouldn't absolve the captain simply because others ran similar risks or because others were at fault for insufficient lifeboat capacity.
You could argue that had the maths been done correctly, Andrews would have realised that she needed a bigger rudder.
In accidents where people were not deliberately trying to cause harm, it is simply unhelpful to focus on blame, and particularly so if it leads you to stop the accident investigation at the human behaviour that was the proximate cause of the accident. A more pertinent question is always 'what aspects of the system set the person up to fail, rather than succeed.' Even if the 'human error' is down to poor decision-making of one individual, which it almost never is, you should ask what contributed to the poor decision-making.
Focus on blame is a bad way to proceed - it will never achieve safety, just silence and cover up.
In the case of the Titanic, you might as well blame those who labelled it unsinkable as the Captain.
She was never labelled "unsinkable", but "practically unsinkable."
And that was accurate. I would estimate the catastrophic encounter with the iceberg to be of the order of a 5-sigma event.
She almost survived it too. A few yards of plating missed by the berg and she might not have sunk.
Other large ships with far less damage went to the bottom in minutes.
(update) Et al’ – any idea when the procession to No10 is likely to start ?
Sky are suggesting that Cameron's appointment with HM is at 5pm, followed by May at 6pm, so could be a long night waiting for the phone to ring, for a number of ministers.
What's the vote this evening? Will we see Dave back for it? Could seriously interrupt the phone-watching.
"His hair may be thinning, but French President Francois Hollande employs a barber on a fat salary of £99,000 a year, it has emerged.
The revelation in the weekly newspaper, Le Canard Enchaîné, on Wednesday sparked jibes about “shampoo socialism” — and speculation that the president has had implants to stop his hairline receding further."
There's another aspect to May - she's from a slightly older generation than the Bullingdon boys - no 'effortless superiority' - just hard work....I wonder what her opinion of that clique is.........not very high, if I had to guess.....
A grown-up Prime Minister and an utterly irrelevant opposition hopefully mean that we are going to see the end of JCR politics - no more traps and japes designed solely to catch the other side out. Wouldn't that be good?
He confidently said Corbyn wouldn't be on the ballot yesterday.
ITV must be so regretting his hire. He is absolutely terrible. That Sunday morning show he does is unwatchable. I bet the BBC could not believe its luck.
Why is Sarah Wollaston a Tory? What does she believe in apart from the NHS? What makes her a Conservative?
You was chosen via an open primary as a way of getting rid of a stubborn incumbent LibDem.
The plan worked. Albeit, she's half way between a Conservative and a LibDem.
Wollaston? MP for Totnes, succeeding the Tory Anthony Steen, implicated in the expenses scandal if I remember right (prompting the open primary.) Looks like the Lib Dems have often come close, but never won there.
Steen said his house looked like Balmoral...
Who was the person who cleaned their moat on expenses, or had the duck house? Will these be what they're remembered for? What an outcome for years of public service, as Cameron reminded us at lunchtime.
The moat cleaning was never claimed for, and the duck house claim was refused.
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EC1M - Currently gauging investment interest in central London property at a low LTV.
I liked Gerald Kaufman's attempt to spend £9000 on a TV. He blamed his OCD...
Nothing is confirmed until its confirmed.
CLP's being closed for duration due to the above.
Labour mp's talking on TV quite clearly pointing fingers as to where the blame lies.
RIP Labour.
Hope you Corbynites think it was all worth it.
I've got to be honest, with politicians held in such low public regard, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the public approved of such a thing were it to happen...
And that was accurate. I would estimate the catastrophic encounter with the iceberg to be of the order of a 5-sigma event.
She almost survived it too. A few yards of plating missed by the berg and she might not have sunk.
Other large ships with far less damage went to the bottom in minutes.
However, they usually remain in office until successors are appointed. Exceptions would be Seely in 1913, Asquith taking that Ministry himself (silly decision, left the War Office completely rudderless when a Civil War was threatening and the whole of Europe was seething with tension) and 1834, when Melbourne and all his ministers were forced to quit by the King and Wellington had to temporarily hold every office until Peel returned from Italy to form a new government.
Bloody missed it though.
The Evening Standard had a peek into the office in the Palace of Westminster where he will start his new life as a backbench MP and discovered that it boasts a medieval-style stone staircase, oak panelling and painted ceilings.
Staff were sprucing up the hastily emptied suite in St Stephen’s Tower for its new occupant, cleaning a stain from the green carpet, after four Tory MPs were kicked out to make way for him.
Crates with Mr Cameron’s name on were stacked outside, while the names of three of his key staff were written on notes attached to some of the desks.
The suite, which is 20ft wide and 24ft long, has commanding views of Westminster Abbey and the ancient Jewel House — part of the original Royal Palace.
Until yesterday it was home to at least four Welsh MPs who, colleagues say, were given 24 hours’ notice to move out.
Do you think she might send for Corbyn.?
In the period between Cameron resigning and May being appointed, she is in charge
Well it had a nice ring to it, I missed the call and now we'll never know.
Torbay USED to be twinned with Narnia, for several years, but the council finally got annoyed and painted over it.
http://legacymedia.localworld.co.uk/275798/Article/images/17246809/4284313.jpg
Then for a while it got twinned with Area 51...
Agree with the rest, although it is worth noting the Great Eastern suffered far more significant damage than the Titanic without sinking, because it was constructed with a double hull. If that had been applied to all ships, the Titanic would not have been lost.
It is also very sobering to think that it is less than 30 years since all oil tankers has to be double hulled, and how many oil spills we would have been spared if they had been built that way from the start.
Clinton 42 .. Trump 39
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article89192652.html
National - YouGov/Economist
Clinton 40 .. Trump 37
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/sqfo3wfe7o/weekly_presidential_election_tracking_report.pdf
Politicians are held in low public regard only because they can't please everyone all the time. In fact, they can't please everyone any of the time. That's in the nature of governing; all the easy decisions, which no one much disagrees with, hardly get noticed in the first place.
Are appointments being confirmed prior to May being PM? Seems a little out of order [quite literally].
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmagenda/ob160713.htm
Mr. Flaming Picky, would like to point out that the Jewel tower was built in the mid fourteenth century and could not therefore have been part of the original Palace of Westminster which was built about three centuries earlier.
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:Epic sad face:
She can be a merchantman or a man-o'-war.
But always a she...
Rumour mill...
Chancellor: Hammond
Home: Rudd
Foreign: Osborne
Brexit: Grayling
Party chair: Priti Patel
EDIT: If @Pulpstar's post is right we may have to swap faces.
and Hammond.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/13/hollande-accused-of-shampoo-socialism-as-it-is-revealed-he-spend/
"His hair may be thinning, but French President Francois Hollande employs a barber on a fat salary of £99,000 a year, it has emerged.
The revelation in the weekly newspaper, Le Canard Enchaîné, on Wednesday sparked jibes about “shampoo socialism” — and speculation that the president has had implants to stop his hairline receding further."
I'm on at 20/1 on Rudd for Home Sec
A grown-up Prime Minister and an utterly irrelevant opposition hopefully mean that we are going to see the end of JCR politics - no more traps and japes designed solely to catch the other side out. Wouldn't that be good?
Not sure some Brexiters would be happy though.
He was the one who told me, and I shared it on here, that Gove would retain Osborne as Chancellor, several hours before the media reported it.
50/1
Even more remain than the last cabinet? discuss.
Rudd. Jeez. There go two million votes. The tory Harman.
Some of us have a bet on "Mr spreadsheet"
And she isn't Hammond.
It is getting ridiculous