Yep, and given the '99 Act he could still take the conventional hereditary Earldom while still being an MP
This "conventional hereditary Earldom"; I remember, when I was a child, being told that was the case but who was the last PM who accepted such a thing on leaving office? Macmillan didn't he only accepted elevation after the death of his son. Churchill was famously offered a dukedom by the king himself and turned it down.
So this conventional earldom, when was the convention last honoured? Does anyone know?
Anthony Eden, created Earl of Avon, although I'm not sure when. All others since (Macmillan aside) have been life peers. I think Wilson changed the rules so only life peerages would be considered for ex-PMs. Major refused one, not sure if Blair and Brown were offered them.
Presumably Cameron will say a few (more) words on leaving No 10?
If so, will he become the first PM in history to effectively announce his resignation 3 times from the steps of No 10 (8am on the 24th, Monday this week, and today)?
Presumably Cameron will say a few (more) words on leaving No 10?
If so, will he become the first PM in history to effectively announce his resignation 3 times from the steps of No 10 (8am on the 24th, Monday this week, and today)?
Blair was about 67 times, but not all were in Downing Street of course.
Yep, and given the '99 Act he could still take the conventional hereditary Earldom while still being an MP
This "conventional hereditary Earldom"; I remember, when I was a child, being told that was the case but who was the last PM who accepted such a thing on leaving office? Macmillan didn't he only accepted elevation after the death of his son. Churchill was famously offered a dukedom by the king himself and turned it down.
So this conventional earldom, when was the convention last honoured? Does anyone know?
One cabinet minister, who campaigned vigorously for Remain, admitted to me this week that he had been taken aback by how many countries were interested in making trade deals with the UK.
@Pong lay of Hammond at 1.01 was by far the best bet of the day.
Not sure where he is now with his book but it was a great lay.
I can't imagine who'd want to be on the other side of that bet.
Theresa May?
She's a vicar's daughter!
If some PBers listened to religion or their parents, they would never have gambled a penny in their life
That's why I don't gamble. I invest in the politics markets.
I'll use that line, my mother would be appalled if she found just how much I invest, she thinks I have the odd bet at a tenner a time each month.
I think my new betting strategy will be to lay the favourite on the Tory leadership market for a tenner a month once the liquidity gets going.
Keep a spreadsheet, so you can track both next Con Leader and next PM.
Laying Boris was very profitable this time around.
Laying Osborne a couple of years ago when he looked absolutely unbeatable was easy money. Thanks for that tip btw.
No probs, it dawned on me the other weekend, I've been betting on Cameron's successor since 2006.
As Tissue Price said, you could start a bonfire with my losing betting slips.
I think I backed Alan Duncan in 2007
Not as early as that for me. I think it might be like that for May though. Initial thoughts are to lay Osborne and Boris again though, it might be tough for pre-2010 MPs to get a look in next time.
@Pong lay of Hammond at 1.01 was by far the best bet of the day.
Not sure where he is now with his book but it was a great lay.
I can't imagine who'd want to be on the other side of that bet.
Theresa May?
She's a vicar's daughter!
If some PBers listened to religion or their parents, they would never have gambled a penny in their life
That's why I don't gamble. I invest in the politics markets.
I'll use that line, my mother would be appalled if she found just how much I invest, she thinks I have the odd bet at a tenner a time each month.
I think my new betting strategy will be to lay the favourite on the Tory leadership market for a tenner a month once the liquidity gets going.
Keep a spreadsheet, so you can track both next Con Leader and next PM.
Laying Boris was very profitable this time around.
Laying Osborne a couple of years ago when he looked absolutely unbeatable was easy money. Thanks for that tip btw.
No probs, it dawned on me the other weekend, I've been betting on Cameron's successor since 2006.
As Tissue Price said, you could start a bonfire with my losing betting slips.
I think I backed Alan Duncan in 2007
Not as early as that for me. I think it might be like that for May though. Initial thoughts are to lay Osborne and Boris again though, it might be tough for pre-2010 MPs to get a look in next time.
I'm not sure what to do this time, if Corbyn stays, then Labour splits, and she's there until 2025, if Jez is toppled, then that buggers up my strategy
@Pong lay of Hammond at 1.01 was by far the best bet of the day.
Not sure where he is now with his book but it was a great lay.
I can't imagine who'd want to be on the other side of that bet.
Theresa May?
She's a vicar's daughter!
If some PBers listened to religion or their parents, they would never have gambled a penny in their life
That's why I don't gamble. I invest in the politics markets.
I'll use that line, my mother would be appalled if she found just how much I invest, she thinks I have the odd bet at a tenner a time each month.
I think my new betting strategy will be to lay the favourite on the Tory leadership market for a tenner a month once the liquidity gets going.
Keep a spreadsheet, so you can track both next Con Leader and next PM.
Laying Boris was very profitable this time around.
Laying Osborne a couple of years ago when he looked absolutely unbeatable was easy money. Thanks for that tip btw.
No probs, it dawned on me the other weekend, I've been betting on Cameron's successor since 2006.
As Tissue Price said, you could start a bonfire with my losing betting slips.
I think I backed Alan Duncan in 2007
Not as early as that for me. I think it might be like that for May though. Initial thoughts are to lay Osborne and Boris again though, it might be tough for pre-2010 MPs to get a look in next time.
I'm not sure what to do this time, if Corbyn stays, then Labour splits, and she's there until 2025, if Jez is toppled, then that buggers up my strategy
Yes, my thoughts precisely, which is why it's going to be tough for some of the old guard to get a look in. Even if Corbyn is ousted and we lose to a Lab/SNP/LD rabble it's going to be tough for the likes of Boris and Osborne. The party will want to move on and present a fresh face.
If Hammond is Chancellor, he will presumably be the de facto deputy, but I was wondering if Boris might be made FSoS and Leader of the House or Party Chairman as a sop to Leavers.
Boris for DPM. Sounds important, but you don't actually have any responsibilities. Perfect for him really.
Voting for the secret ballot would have been “an active thing he could have done to demonstrate his support to colleagues taking a very difficult decision yesterday, and he wouldn’t do it. It was was the most shameful thing I have ever seen,” she said.
I thought the decision to have a secret ballot was gruesomely undemocratic. (I can understand why people would have wanted it for personal protection, but there were clearly other less wholesome reasons why people would have wanted it too.) I think it is pretty outrageous to claim that someone wanting votes to be made public was actively endorsing intimidation and violence - that's a nasty smear.
I don't know. Gladstone brought in secret ballots in national elections precisely to make them less open to bribery and bullying. It's also why Thatcher brought in secret strike ballots. I would have said those moves made them more democratic as people would then vote without fear for their lives. I can't see, by contrast, why a ballot on labour membership rules needs to be public.
I think there is a distinction to be drawn between knowing how a representative has voted - in parliament, on an NEC, at a conference etc. - when that individual might need to be held to account for their decisions, and knowing how an individual has voted at an election, referendum or vote of whatever kind, where the voter doesn't need to be accountable for their action and so should have maximum freedom.
Yes - even if one doesn't agree with it, there is a clear argument for transparency and openness in this kind of decision-making. Moreover an open ballot would have been the default (please correct me if I'm wrong) so it is deviation from this that really required an exceptional justification. I was appalled at the insinuation that anyone disagreeing with a secret ballot was directly "endorsing bullying" - that really is one from the nasty playbook.
46% (171) to vote for Jill Stein (Green) 23% (88) for Hillary Clinton 10% (38) to write Bernie Sanders in 5% (20) for Donald Trump 4% (15) for Gary Johnson (Libertarian) 11% (41) DK/WS
Amazing to think that the Republican Convention is only a few days away, and we're hardly discussing the US at all.
Not really amazing, Mr. N., considering we have just had/are going through a revolution in which the whole basis of government policy for about sixty years has just been thrown in the dustbin because of a vote by the electorate.
Who when it comes down to it gives a big rat's arse about the stuff going on in the USA, we have our own problems/theatre to be getting on with.
On the subject of Trump's VP, the hot ticket at the moment seems to be Mike Pence.
Only thing is, he'd have to renounce standing for re-election as Indiana governor - by noon on Friday. Is he really going to want to give up the governorship on the off-chance of a Trump victory?
Amazing to think that the Republican Convention is only a few days away, and we're hardly discussing the US at all.
Not really amazing, Mr. N., considering we have just had/are going through a revolution in which the whole basis of government policy for about sixty years has just been thrown in the dustbin because of a vote by the electorate.
Who when it comes down to it gives a big rat's arse about the stuff going on in the USA, we have our own problems/theatre to be getting on with.
True, Mr Llama, but you've forgotten the 'Betting' bit of 'Political Betting'.
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Gove, although divisive, was actually seemingly doing an OK job. I'd personally prefer Gove to stay in post. Not Grayling, perrrllllease!
Any guesses?
If so, will he become the first PM in history to effectively announce his resignation 3 times from the steps of No 10 (8am on the 24th, Monday this week, and today)?
As Tissue Price said, you could start a bonfire with my losing betting slips.
I think I backed Alan Duncan in 2007
The former is a regular columnist on ConHome - his most recent:
http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/06/nick-timothy-ive-already-voted-leave-but-i-cant-wait-to-get-away-from-this-bloody-referendum-campaign.html
I can serve Mrs May best from PB
What happened?
Cameron speaks.
46% (171) to vote for Jill Stein (Green)
23% (88) for Hillary Clinton
10% (38) to write Bernie Sanders in
5% (20) for Donald Trump
4% (15) for Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
11% (41) DK/WS
This is a very different distribution from what the Pew Research Centre found:
85% Clinton
9% Trump
6% DK or will vote for another candidate
Seems to me that Pew didn't list Stein as an option.
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Who when it comes down to it gives a big rat's arse about the stuff going on in the USA, we have our own problems/theatre to be getting on with.
Only thing is, he'd have to renounce standing for re-election as Indiana governor - by noon on Friday. Is he really going to want to give up the governorship on the off-chance of a Trump victory?
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-mike-pence-meeting-225472
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