Paul Goodman, editor of ConservativeHome, on why Michael Gove abandoned Boris Johnson.
Paul Goodman (@PaulGoodmanCH) - Gove's decision 1) He came to believe that @BorisJohnson was prepared to backtrack on Brexit.
Paul Goodman (@PaulGoodmanCH) - Gove's decision 2) It's claimed that Johnson refused to allow his Daily Telegraph column text to go through a campaign approval process.
Paul Goodman (@PaulGoodmanCH) - Gove's decision 3) The Justice Secretary & supporters concluded that Johnson was unlikely to defeat May.
Didn't Gove stay behind at Number 10 for talks with the Prime Minister after the post-Brexit Cabinet? Where does that fit in?
Is there something even more Machiavellian going on?... .
Yes. A combination of Boris making a complete horlicks of team building etc in his campaign team and in settling key principles. Added to Osborne whispering in Gove's ear "go for it" and Sarah Vine encouraging her husband to stick to his principles.
You mean the principle of becoming the Prime Minister. From a Labour perspective, I would prefer Gove to either May or Boris. May would be the more dangerous.
May would be a better PM, but the 400 seats won't be healthy for democracy.
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
I think the idea that article 50 won't get invoked has got to be completely dead now. All Brexit candidates will say they want it invoked, So all remainer candidates have to say it will be invoked to shut that down. If there is no snap election, and it seems like the Tories are edging away from that, then there is no chance of the party losing power to a remain coalition.
We will now see the true split between the two broad Brexit camps. Gove playing as the anti immigration one will guarantee decent support but this is the Tory party, not UKIp, and I think Theresa will go equally hard on how irresponsible it would be to leave single market etc. I still give her the edge, but it will be close.
There is a delicious schadenfreude for remainers to see Boris get destroyed like this, but on the other hand as he is a closet remainer he probably would have dealt us the most favorable , EU lite deal
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
@nunu - have a search for two posts by @Travelgall - she offered a great insight.
So wait, in the space of a month May has gone from claiming she'd scrap the ECHR to saying she'll keep it and the only significant event to happen between then and now is one that would make it far easier to scrap it?
I suppose we are about to see how gullible and easily gulled the Conservative memebership is.
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
@nunu - have a search for two posts by @Travelgall - she offered a great insight.
It's genuinely useful reading comments here. It gives me a real feel for what Ultras think and believe and it's one that is otherwise risk missing. Choices have consequences.
So wait, in the space of a month May has gone from claiming she'd scrap the ECHR to saying she'll keep it and the only significant event to happen between then and now is one that would make it far easier to scrap it?
I suppose we are about to see how gullible and easily gulled the Conservative memebership is.
So wait, in the space of a month May has gone from claiming she'd scrap the ECHR to saying she'll keep it and the only significant event to happen between then and now is one that would make it far easier to scrap it?
I suppose we are about to see how gullible and easily gulled the Conservative memebership is.
They'll say anything and do anything to hold power.
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
It kind of depends. If we want the City to be a lightly regulated offshore financial centre passporting is less important. But the risks are huge - 2008 on steroids. I am not sure that is what we or even a number of financial institutions would want.
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
@nunu - have a search for two posts by @Travelgall - she offered a great insight.
Those posts were good. There will however be some negative effect - and it is no point ignoring it. It would be better to keep the passport. But it is certainly the case that Germany and France have significant disadvantages which are not necessarily eliminated by having the passport. See my posts on the previous thread this morning.
It would be better to keep it. But there are lots of variables to consider here.
Apparently Boris has written 2 columns, One in which he is standing, and one in which he is not. He may have picked up the wrong one on his way out of the house...
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
It kind of depends. If we want the City to be a lightly regulated offshore financial centre passporting is less important. But the risks are huge - 2008 on steroids. I am not sure that is what we or even a number of financial institutions would want.
The irony in that statement is that our regulation is stronger than any of the others in Europe...
Theme from Gove camp (he himself the other day, and now Raab):
"I won't point fingers at other people"
= it was all my colleagues' fault; they are useless bastards.
Not IMO a great personality trait.
Like Boris, Gove has promised: * £350 million a week more spending on the NHS. * Tax cuts * No tax rises * No public spending cuts * All current EU grants and subsidies maintained * A selection of beneficial trade agreements * Major reductions in immigration * Ongoing, full access to the single market Like Boris, he will not be able to deliver.
gove may win the Cameroonian support from all but Cameron (who is probably backing May even if politically she's not that close to him) - Morgan backing Gove, Osborne presumably pulling strings somewhere - perhaps they've decided the EU is a price worth paying if they can continue their Cameroonian agenda?
Conservative party members will be very very angry if Boris not on final 2. Treachery of Gove won't be forgiven easily.
Honestly, the whole country has the potential to be very angry at the moment. Nearly half the country who voted Remain: angry. Labour in its entirety: angry. UKIP worried about betrayal: angry. Chavs: angry. England football supporters: angry. SNP: angry. The list is almost endless.
Thankfully, we have PB which is returning to its usual blend of insight and mordant sarcasm.
From Faisal Islam, it makes me want to back Boris, he's clearly a Remainer
My sense is core vote leavers wanted some absolute assurances from Boris on EU exit strategy - that's some of what's behind Leadsom, gove
Hello - have sent you private email.
Got it. Has been a tres hectic morning, will reply in a bit.
I can well imagine! My daughter, who is studying Ancient Rome, says that it is the perfect training for understanding today's politics. How right she is!
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
There are no planned redundancies at the Silver Circle law firm I'm at, as far as I'm aware. I'm confused why a US operation would act before it knew what the medium term was going to look like.
gove may win the Cameroonian support from all but Cameron (who is probably backing May even if politically she's not that close to him) - Morgan backing Gove, Osborne presumably pulling strings somewhere - perhaps they've decided the EU is a price worth paying if they can continue their Cameroonian agenda?
Gove must have informed Cameron his plan after the cabinet meeting. May even have showed him the knife.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
There are no planned redundancies at the Silver Circle law firm I'm at, as far as I'm aware. I'm confused why a US operation would act before it knew what the medium term was going to look like.
Everybody is going to use Brexit as the reason for any redundancies at this point. It's only human, and it may even be true.
This also brings up the serious prospect of Theresa and Boris doing a deal where he becomes chancellor under her and delivers her to the final round and brings a chunk of leave support.
How essential is it for city of London to have "passporting"? Any city experts please not mourning remainders.
There was an informed (apparently .... I’m not really qualified to judge) post yesterday which suggested that worries about the City’s position were unnecessary and overdone.
It kind of depends. If we want the City to be a lightly regulated offshore financial centre passporting is less important. But the risks are huge - 2008 on steroids. I am not sure that is what we or even a number of financial institutions would want.
The irony in that statement is that our regulation is stronger than any of the others in Europe...
Indeed. And that could give us a competitive advantage. The strength of the regulatory system and the confidence this gives clients is one of the factors which financial firms take into account.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
My friend who works at Manchester University has lost his job as a direct result of Brexit. It will affect our universities and science negatively in a big way. And no it is not all about the money we pay to the EU.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
There are no planned redundancies at the Silver Circle law firm I'm at, as far as I'm aware. I'm confused why a US operation would act before it knew what the medium term was going to look like.
Unless they were looking to make cuts anyway and this is just a good excuse.
Can anyone outline to me what appeal they think Gove would have to the general public?
Surely there is no way a Gove led Tory party could win a majority at the General Election.
Perhaps he will be PM until 2019 to oversee Brexit and then stand down in favour of someone more electable.
They aren't thinking about the GBP. IMHO, anyone who is thinking about the whole country is supporting May. Tories who vote for Gove are doing so on the basis that Corbyn cannot win a GE and so the rest of us will have to put with a Gove government and whatever comes with that.
This also brings up the serious prospect of Theresa and Boris doing a deal where he becomes chancellor under her and delivers her to the final round and brings a chunk of leave support.
Would Boris want to be Chancellor? All that detail.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
Sorry but that's planned redundencies using the current built in excuse..
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
There are no planned redundancies at the Silver Circle law firm I'm at, as far as I'm aware. I'm confused why a US operation would act before it knew what the medium term was going to look like.
Unless they were looking to make cuts anyway and this is just a good excuse.
It is of course plausible that - whilst no cuts were planned - the financials were very delicate.
This also brings up the serious prospect of Theresa and Boris doing a deal where he becomes chancellor under her and delivers her to the final round and brings a chunk of leave support.
Would Boris want to be Chancellor? All that detail.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
There are no planned redundancies at the Silver Circle law firm I'm at, as far as I'm aware. I'm confused why a US operation would act before it knew what the medium term was going to look like.
Unless they were looking to make cuts anyway and this is just a good excuse.
It is of course plausible that - whilst no cuts were planned - the financials were very delicate.
I doubt that's the case. Those sort of decisions take months at the best of times not a week...
This also brings up the serious prospect of Theresa and Boris doing a deal where he becomes chancellor under her and delivers her to the final round and brings a chunk of leave support.
Would Boris want to be Chancellor? All that detail.
Better than Minister for Brexit. He could land Gove with that job if he had power within the May administration.
There are no planned redundancies at the Silver Circle law firm I'm at, as far as I'm aware. I'm confused why a US operation would act before it knew what the medium term was going to look like.
I think it is lawyers who specialise in fund-raising or mergers and acquisitions who are likely to be hit in the short term. Everything is frozen.
This also brings up the serious prospect of Theresa and Boris doing a deal where he becomes chancellor under her and delivers her to the final round and brings a chunk of leave support.
Would Boris want to be Chancellor? All that detail.
My wife has just come off the phone to her sister, a partner in a US-based firm in the City.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
My friend who works at Manchester University has lost his job as a direct result of Brexit. It will affect our universities and science negatively in a big way. And no it is not all about the money we pay to the EU.
I assume a short term research contract dependant on an European funded program that has not been renewed?
I am surprised that there has been an effect that quickly, Horizon 2020 projects should still be secure and most Universities are expecting the science collaboration to continue even if we exit.
In general you are right though about the effect on Universities - a lot of reassuring emails were sent last Friday although its a shame to see they were unjustified.
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Just asked a notionally Boris backing MP what they are going to do now...
"I don't know. I don't f------ know."
Phew! For now ....
We will now see the true split between the two broad Brexit camps. Gove playing as the anti immigration one will guarantee decent support but this is the Tory party, not UKIp, and I think Theresa will go equally hard on how irresponsible it would be to leave single market etc. I still give her the edge, but it will be close.
There is a delicious schadenfreude for remainers to see Boris get destroyed like this, but on the other hand as he is a closet remainer he probably would have dealt us the most favorable , EU lite deal
This is tiresome to do of course, although many banks and insurers will already have local subsidiaries in the major EU countries.
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I'm now politics & media reporter at BuzzFeed!
I suppose we are about to see how gullible and easily gulled the Conservative memebership is.
Dangerous waters these.
"I won't point fingers at other people"
= it was all my colleagues' fault; they are useless bastards.
Not IMO a great personality trait.
Has Boris announced he is withdrawing ?
I'm out, check my avatar ^_~
I could have sworn..............
Leave 6.4
Leave 8.6
It would be better to keep it. But there are lots of variables to consider here.
Conservative party members will be very very angry if Boris not on final 2. Treachery of Gove won't be forgiven easily.
Chakrabarti report says there is "too much clear evidence...of minority hateful or ignorant attitudes" in Labour Party....but
Kevin Schofield
Chakrabarti review says Labour members should "resist the use of Hitler, Nazi and Holocaust metaphors". Resist?
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch · 40s41 seconds ago
Woke up and digesting Michael Gove's announcement. If there is any doubt about Boris backtracking then of course, I am switching to Gove
total & utter headbanging nutter (now back in US?)
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch · 46s47 seconds ago
Absolutely nothing matters more than Brexit. Nothing.
I backed Tory over all majority at 6.8 but reversed my position when the polls and PBers said it wasn't going to happen.
I backed LEAVE at 3.85 but reversed my position when the polls and PBers said it wasn't going to happen.
I backed Boris at 6.3 but reversed my position when the polls and PBers said it wasn't going to happen .........
* £350 million a week more spending on the NHS.
* Tax cuts
* No tax rises
* No public spending cuts
* All current EU grants and subsidies maintained
* A selection of beneficial trade agreements
* Major reductions in immigration
* Ongoing, full access to the single market
Like Boris, he will not be able to deliver.
Thankfully, we have PB which is returning to its usual blend of insight and mordant sarcasm.
First round of redundancies starts on Monday 'as a direct result of brexit'. As she says, the 'smart' Lawyers who voted Leave on the basis of reducing immigration will certainly get their wishes - they'll be doing their own cleaning whilst looking for other jobs.
Meanwhile, the French, who had been holding-up the top-end residential market in London are pulling out of housing transactions all over the leafy suburbs.
It's started. Project Reality.
Surely there is no way a Gove led Tory party could win a majority at the General Election.
Perhaps he will be PM until 2019 to oversee Brexit and then stand down in favour of someone more electable.
Has Eagle declared yet?
Is Boris on Prozac right now ?
regularly used in my group (and in the NMR community at large) to put the date on experimental data.
https://twitter.com/WalesPolitics/status/748456668074119168
It's also interesting to compare and contrast the two major parties as they have very different leadership contests.
Surely the sensible choice.
So Israel=ISIS....
Nice one Corbyn
I am surprised that there has been an effect that quickly, Horizon 2020 projects should still be secure and most Universities are expecting the science collaboration to continue even if we exit.
In general you are right though about the effect on Universities - a lot of reassuring emails were sent last Friday although its a shame to see they were unjustified.