This is going to be very close and that really cannot be good news for the country. We really have not collectively been able to make our minds up about this.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
Wonder if Oldham, Rochdale, Bradford etc will follow that pattern ?
As part of the John Harris thing in Stoke he interviewed some Asians and they were out...it was a combination of I ain't scared and the establishment don't do s##t for us.
I'm afraid they have to. Cameron, Osborne and co are finished and need to go asap.
Agreed, but I think we'll get a political vacuum for quite a while. Not only will it be a vacuum in terms of personalities, even more seriously there will be a vacuum in terms of policy, because no homework was done and the Leave campaign jumped on any passing populist bandwagon. The only 100% clear thing about the outcome is that it's a vote against free movement of people. So that rules out the EEA option.
Yes, EEA and acces to the single market are dead. The emergency measures taken need to be based on that.
I don't accept that. The referendum is on leaving the EU. All future options are there to be fought for.
Well now you know what happens when voters don't believe you are listening. This was made into a referendum on immigration, so you can't now escape the consequences of that.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
You just aren't listening to the voters, they will turn on you as an elite not clamping down on all migration. If you don't deliver this then there will be trouble.
I am a Leaver, and have been passionate about my views. They are shared by perhaps a third of the Leave side, and include Richard_T, Max, Casino, Cyclefree and others.
We need to come up with the solution that satisfies 70% of the population, not 51% of 51%.
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
You just aren't listening to the voters, they will turn on you as an elite not clamping down on all migration. If you don't deliver this then there will be trouble.
I am a Leaver, and have been passionate about my views. They are shared by perhaps a third of the Leave side, and include Richard_T, Max, Casino, Cyclefree and others.
We need to come up with the solution that satisfies 70% of the population, not 51% of 51%.
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
Does that include ones where Corbyn became PM?
Lemme check . Still not convinced Leave have won this.
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
Does that include ones where Corbyn became PM?
Lemme check . Still not convinced Leave have won this.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
You just aren't listening to the voters, they will turn on you as an elite not clamping down on all migration. If you don't deliver this then there will be trouble.
I am a Leaver, and have been passionate about my views. They are shared by perhaps a third of the Leave side, and include Richard_T, Max, Casino, Cyclefree and others.
We need to come up with the solution that satisfies 70% of the population, not 51% of 51%.
Quite right, Mr. Robert. If, and as far as I am concerned it is still if, Leave wins tonight, then tomorrow is the start of the work.
I'm afraid they have to. Cameron, Osborne and co are finished and need to go asap.
Agreed, but I think we'll get a political vacuum for quite a while. Not only will it be a vacuum in terms of personalities, even more seriously there will be a vacuum in terms of policy, because no homework was done and the Leave campaign jumped on any passing populist bandwagon. The only 100% clear thing about the outcome is that it's a vote against free movement of people. So that rules out the EEA option.
Yes, EEA and acces to the single market are dead. The emergency measures taken need to be based on that.
I don't accept that. The referendum is on leaving the EU. All future options are there to be fought for.
Well now you know what happens when voters don't believe you are listening. This was made into a referendum on immigration, so you can't now escape the consequences of that.
I'm a voter myself. If we are leaving the EU I vote for EEA.
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
Does that include ones where Corbyn became PM?
Labour policy from now on has to be Anti-austerity. Enough of Blairite nonsense. The shadow cabinet can jump into the Serpentine. Otherwise, we will lose the Northern voters like we did in Central Scotland.
Surely remain needs something more than just London seeing as its flopping just about everywhere else. We haven't heard much from the Midlands yet and maybe they can overperform in other cities I guess..
I feel the Tory shires may not go for Leave as expected.
Home counties will go slightly remain... but the hardcore shires (Worcestershire, Shropshire, Devon, SOMERSET, etc) will be Leave. And their populations are not small.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
You just aren't listening to the voters, they will turn on you as an elite not clamping down on all migration. If you don't deliver this then there will be trouble.
I am a Leaver, and have been passionate about my views. They are shared by perhaps a third of the Leave side, and include Richard_T, Max, Casino, Cyclefree and others.
We need to come up with the solution that satisfies 70% of the population, not 51% of 51%.
So you used them then. They will come for you if they so much as get an inkling of that,
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
Does that include ones where Corbyn became PM?
Labour policy from now on has to be Anti-austerity. Enough of Blairite nonsense. The shadow cabinet can jump into the Serpentine. Otherwise, we will lose the Northern voters like we did in Central Scotland.
It's not anti austerity that they want. It is get rid of the migrants...that has been unleashed in this campaign.
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This is going to be very close and that really cannot be good news for the country. We really have not collectively been able to make our minds up about this.
If so then all over.
Clearly a lot of pissed off poor people.
Who have voted to be a lot poorer.
Will Labour be blaming Plaid for that?
Tense.
Looks like the shires won't ride to Remain's rescue. It's up to London.
57.6% to 42.4%
That looks like an evens shot to me. Maybe 2/1, to be cautious.
What happened to those predictions of 55-60 to remain.
WTF
This is the biggest 'up yours' from the electorate I've ever seen.
Memo to self - must get postal vote in future
(That's a binary index, 0 for Leave.)
Huge Leave win in Barking and Greenwich reported close.
Leave should win in Havering, Hillingdon, Bexley, Bromley and Sutton as well.
Thanks Andy
It's not anti austerity that they want. It is get rid of the migrants...that has been unleashed in this campaign.