Rob Ford saying London has some "heavy lifting" to do to save the day.
That doesn't work for national cohesion, whichever way the result goes. A stronger separation of identity for London may develop, with political consequences down the line.
I'm afraid they have to. Cameron, Osborne and co are finished and need to go asap.
Agreed, but I think we'll get a political vacuum for quite a while. Not only will it be a vacuum in terms of personalities, even more seriously there will be a vacuum in terms of policy, because no homework was done and the Leave campaign jumped on any passing populist bandwagon. The only 100% clear thing about the outcome is that it's a vote against free movement of people. So that rules out the EEA option.
I'm afraid they have to. Cameron, Osborne and co are finished and need to go asap.
Agreed, but I think we'll get a political vacuum for quite a while. Not only will it be a vacuum in terms of personalities, even more seriously there will be a vacuum in terms of policy, because no homework was done and the Leave campaign jumped on any passing populist bandwagon. The only 100% clear thing about the outcome is that it's a vote against free movement of people. So that rules out the EEA option.
Yes, EEA and acces to the single market are dead. The emergency measures taken need to be based on that.
I don't accept that. The referendum is on leaving the EU. All future options are there to be fought for.
More interesting will be FTSE 250, as FTSE 100 is full of companies with international earnings that do better in the case of Brexit. We own Wolsely, for example, which is a big US Dollar earner.
Might be some buying opportunities amidst the general sell-off. High risk, though.
As for the betting markets and the stockmarkets they were linked with little input from the outside. If the pound went up the Remain odds went up and vise versa, I think someone in the city used some software to link the two markets.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
I'm afraid they have to. Cameron, Osborne and co are finished and need to go asap.
Agreed, but I think we'll get a political vacuum for quite a while. Not only will it be a vacuum in terms of personalities, even more seriously there will be a vacuum in terms of policy, because no homework was done and the Leave campaign jumped on any passing populist bandwagon. The only 100% clear thing about the outcome is that it's a vote against free movement of people. So that rules out the EEA option.
Yes, EEA and acces to the single market are dead. The emergency measures taken need to be based on that.
I don't accept that. The referendum is on leaving the EU. All future options are there to be fought for.
Quite. The opinions of Remain voters can't be ignored just because they lost. A significant restriction on free movement is still a minority in the country, regardless of the motivations of WWC voters
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
London is going to be massive for Remain. The splits in our country are enormous. We need to make sure that whoever takes over from Cameron/Osborne is a healer, not a divider.
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
You just aren't listening to the voters, they will turn on you as an elite not clamping down on all migration. If you don't deliver this then there will be trouble.
Trouble with BBC's over fussy graphic is that they have spent a lot of effort putting the areas in the order they think they will be, but seem unable to put the actual result in context in terms of where it actually is on their scale
Britain has chosen to be the lab rat in a giant experiment, breaking with the course of Western history since WW2, and the people leading the charge seemingly have no idea of what is at stake.
Now come on sir. Look at that comment, and think how patronising it might sound. You do not have a monopoly on geopolitical analysis.
I'm just making sure Mr Meeks doesn't have the monopoly on pomposity.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Remember the IMF and IFS reports. Consider the last twenty years. Are there any developed countries that are poorer now than then?
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blew in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
They all assume that politics carries on pretty much as normal. I don't think that's possible.
Surely the betfair market should be quite accurate by now? We must have enough results for the statistical models to start making reasonably accurate projections? Which means it's still going to be very close?
The problem with this whole debate has been that it has been about 51%, not 70%. There is a solution that would garner the support of 70% of the British people, and result in minimal economic impact from leaving:
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
You just aren't listening to the voters, they will turn on you as an elite not clamping down on all migration. If you don't deliver this then there will be trouble.
I am a Leaver, and have been passionate about my views. They are shared by perhaps a third of the Leave side, and include Richard_T, Max, Casino, Cyclefree and others.
We need to come up with the solution that satisfies 70% of the population, not 51% of 51%.
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Remain FAVOURITE again!
https://twitter.com/lindsaylohan/status/746151164450865152
I'm amazed after the places which have declared how close it is.
Remain 44,987
Leave 34,271
Now I'm off again.
Sorry not to not be more eloquent, but that sums up everything
EFTA/EEA, with compulsory health insurance for migrants. Just a small sum of - say - 2k/year would eliminate almost all non-skilled migration.
Seriously though, this is depressing, and it is an experiment...
Of course it could be a drowning man clutching at any straw.
EDIT: That said, Wandsworth is a swing area I guess.
I said Sunderland 62%... and then that Remain would come back strongly in London. At 6am, there'd be six LAs still to declare and all to play for
Bloody hell.
I'm going to repeat 'nobody knows for sure' until I'm blue in the face. But we've had a wide range of models used to forecast Brexit; none lead to calamity.
Although huge Remain wins.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tRE59IkgeRREISpM75I8gR0MdkGe1diParW0hVO109Y/htmlview?sle=true#gid=881507152
Mine:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hCtN3IY76azcr_6OiFPvZI0eXi_8JJqxT7d8vNhW2Do/edit#gid=0
Andy had it at 55% Leave.
Big Muslim population there as well.
Wonder if Oldham, Rochdale, Bradford etc will follow that pattern ?
We need to come up with the solution that satisfies 70% of the population, not 51% of 51%.