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  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255
    EPG said:

    RodCrosby said:

    hunchman said:

    BBC establishment suddenly starting to realise just how far removed they are from the ordinary man, woman and child in this country.

    If we get our country back, they're next...
    Unpleasant tone there.
    Say hi to your new friends. They won it for LEAVE and they want some people out of the country.

    Really, the PB Tory establishment is so far removed from why the ordinary LEAVEr wants LEAVE ;D
    Not my friends politically speaking - I'm for Remain. I partially agree on your second point, however.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    rcs1000 said:

    Swindon good for Leave, but not amazing

    Swindon is another place with a huge car factory. But still massively Leave. Remain is not in a good place.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352
    edited June 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Now tightened up again nationally after Swindon

    In 51% Leave 49%

    The national number is surely useless until it gets to about 50% of votes counted (as it is so close)?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    surbiton said:

    Swindon not so overwhelming for Leave. Maybe Tories not so angry.

    That's right, this isn't over.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Swindon 54.7% LEAVE

    Get in THERE

    Bang in line with 50/50 for England.
    That's not good enough is it? Need England to be 51/52 at least ...
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    BBC clinging to Swindon.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Swindon 54.7% LEAVE

    Get in THERE

    Bang in line with 50/50 for England.
    Better for Leave than par. According to the spreadsheet par was 47.9% Remain.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Bit like 2015

    NE outlier

    Remain have won
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Broxbourne: Leave landslide.

    (NB: NOT Broxtowe!!!)
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Broxboune strong for leave!
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    55% Leave from Swindon.

    Is that good for Leave?
    Slightly above Prediction 47.86 52.14
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    Broxbourne good: 66 for Leave against 61 in the model
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Broxbourne LEAVE cakewalk.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    Broxbourne.

    This is on.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.

    BBC
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,018

    Wales going leave. It must be all over now. And as a remainer I will accept the will of the people, congratulate leave, and hope we can all come together for the good of our Country. Glad I bought my euros last week.

    Well done for you, Big_G, you might well have saved yourself a few quid.

    I can't quite believe what I am reading on here this evening though.
    It is an amazing night and raises huge questions for all our politicians and I think labour have far more problems than the conservatives. I would be amazed if leave do not win and I am off for a good night sleep before what must be a historic day tomorrow
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Referendum on Cameron?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Broxbourne solidly Leave. Only London can save Remain.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    How on earth is BF not crossing over
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Broxbourne 66% leave, outperforms par by about 6%
  • JennyFreemanJennyFreeman Posts: 488

    And Trump is going to land in the middle of all of the chaos and exploit it for the US audience... :(

    but uppose the British people do stick up two fingers to the establishment and they do vote Leave, doesnt Trump have every right to say, 'see'? Trumps 'I'm for You' response to Hillary's 'I'm for Her' was one of the smartest pieces of politicking I've seen. And I say that as someone who can't stand trump.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    weejonnie said:

    MP_SE said:

    RobD said:

    55% Leave from Swindon.

    Is that good for Leave?
    Slightly above Prediction 47.86 52.14
    Cheers.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Would someone please put Jeremy Vine out of his misery?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,172
    edited June 2016
    Broxbourne looks very good for leave.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    So Leave have been above par in all English seats so far.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,637
    Broxbourne 66:34 LEAVE
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Broxbourne 66 out, 34 in, good or bad for leave?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    EPG said:

    RodCrosby said:

    hunchman said:

    BBC establishment suddenly starting to realise just how far removed they are from the ordinary man, woman and child in this country.

    If we get our country back, they're next...
    Unpleasant tone there.
    Say hi to your new friends. They won it for LEAVE and they want some people out of the country.

    Really, the PB Tory establishment is so far removed from why the ordinary LEAVEr wants LEAVE ;D
    Not my friends politically speaking - I'm for Remain. I partially agree on your second point, however.
    I mean the UK!

    They will run it now!
  • RealBritainRealBritain Posts: 255

    Could a big turn out in London still do it for Remain?

    I think that would be the worst possible result. Slim Remain and a London vs ... type scenario.

    This is what I'm, still, wondering about. That Lewisham figure was extraordinary.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,513
    Swindon has Honda which has been at some risk of closure - should have helped Remain.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    People in Sunderland voting "for the first time since 1983".
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    Chameleon said:

    Broxbourne 66 out, 34 in, good or bad for leave?

    Good. Spreadsheet was 61 out.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352
    :o < my face
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RodCrosby said:

    Swindon the first result that's better for REMAIN, but with the CI...

    It was 3% worse with my figures FWIW.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,513
    Leave is 3.2 at Betfair ?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Broxbourne better for LEAVE
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    Chameleon said:

    Broxbourne 66 out, 34 in, good or bad for leave?

    Leave, highish turnout too
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,013
    Broxbourne 66% Leave
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Swindon = C1's going leave

    Fairly good turnout.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,469
    Mortimer said:

    How on earth is BF not crossing over

    Because those in the know, know that there is a good load of "spare" ballot at Finchley Road ready to go just in case.
  • Leave need a better percentage than expected around south England and Midlands as I'm convinced that Remain will be greatly above par in London. Nailbiting stuff.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    Artist said:

    So Leave have been above par in all English seats so far.

    Swindon only par. But otherwise yes.
    Newham the only radically more pro-Remain than expected result.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    TGOHF said:

    Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.

    BBC

    Wow.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,352
    I would laugh if this still ended up as Remain 55 Leave 45 lol
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    Jeremy not sure what the hell is going on...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,819

    And Trump is going to land in the middle of all of the chaos and exploit it for the US audience... :(

    but uppose the British people do stick up two fingers to the establishment and they do vote Leave, doesnt Trump have every right to say, 'see'? Trumps 'I'm for You' response to Hillary's 'I'm for Her' was one of the smartest pieces of politicking I've seen. And I say that as someone who can't stand trump.
    Trump is very, very smart, and I think in many ways he's been a breath of fresh air in US politics. But this is not his fight.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,172
    BBC running the line that this is a referendum on Cameron now. Heaven forfend that people could reject their precious EU.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    Lewisham 83% for Remain. Holy f*ck the other way.

    My Serbian Princess forgot to vote (but she is unwell atm)! I am home and will review these stats: I doubt that they are true.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    Chameleon said:

    Broxbourne 66 out, 34 in, good or bad for leave?

    Par was 40.3 So good for Leave
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Leave need a better percentage than expected around south England and Midlands as I'm convinced that Remain will be greatly above par in London. Nailbiting stuff.

    The gossip from the Midlands towns suggests heavy wins for Leave.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    The spreadsheet has Birmingham at 58% - the best I expect is 50-50.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,017
    surbiton said:

    Broxbourne solidly Leave. Only London can save Remain.

    London will be excellent for Remain, but it won't be enough.

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Starting to say london turnout is lower
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
    TGOHF said:

    Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.

    BBC

    Portsmouth good (but not amazing) for Leave
    Southampton would be fantastic.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    TGOHF said:

    Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.

    BBC

    Wasn't expecting those to be as good as that for leave.

    Believe. Be LEAVE.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    rcs1000 said:

    Artist said:

    So Leave have been above par in all English seats so far.

    Swindon only par. But otherwise yes.
    Newham the only radically more pro-Remain than expected result.
    Yes, and we're beginning to get a reasonable spread of different types of seat. It's hard to see Remain winning from here.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,165
    Cameron's legacy!
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    And now it's the weather to blame in London.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    Still almost 3 at BF
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    All gone a bit quiet at Meeks towers.
  • LowlanderLowlander Posts: 941
    London turnout is LOW according to BBC and Curtice.
  • Curtis - london turnout worse than expected
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    London turnout lower than expected. Bad news for Remain.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,469
    All this talk of above and below par sounds like we are talking about a round of golf....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    John Curtis saying London t/o 2-3% below expectations
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Come on Guardinistas (I am a proud subscriber), come on Oxford and Cambridge, Come on London, and Come on you Tories in the shires......
  • GravitationGravitation Posts: 287
    Prof Curtice reckons that the weather and floods has affected the turnout in London.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited June 2016

    Could a big turn out in London still do it for Remain?

    I think that would be the worst possible result. Slim Remain and a London vs ... type scenario.

    This is what I'm, still, wondering about. That Lewisham figure was extraordinary.
    London can't outweigh the whole of the rest of England. What other English region is looking good for Remain?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    On another note, I'm enjoying the subplot of the obvious tension between Dimbleby and Curtice.
  • surbiton said:

    Broxbourne solidly Leave. Only London can save Remain.

    Curtis saying TO in london maybe a few % down
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Southampton 60% Leave seems very high surely?
  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 78
    Wanderer said:

    Could a big turn out in London still do it for Remain?

    I think that would be the worst possible result. Slim Remain and a London vs ... type scenario.

    This is what I'm, still, wondering about. That Lewisham figure was extraordinary.
    London can't outweigh the whole of the rest of England. What other English region is looking good for Remain?
    Cornwall.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Curtice thinks turnout might be down 2% in London.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Swindon the first result that's better for REMAIN, but with the CI...

    It was 3% worse with my figures FWIW.
    I am using your figures so I do hope you are right Andy :-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    edited June 2016

    rcs1000 said:

    Artist said:

    So Leave have been above par in all English seats so far.

    Swindon only par. But otherwise yes.
    Newham the only radically more pro-Remain than expected result.
    Yes, and we're beginning to get a reasonable spread of different types of seat. It's hard to see Remain winning from here.
    It's the likes of Pat the work cleaner that will win this for "leave".
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    Alistair Campbell on BBC now.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,795
    Mad Al alert
  • HYUFD said:

    Isles of Scilly votes Remain

    803 Remain 621 Leave

    Get a huge amount of EU aid
    You mean UK taxpayers money.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Cameron Toasters now being taken out of the attic. Dusted down; fuse checked; fired up.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,370
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,819
    edited June 2016

    All this talk of above and below par sounds like we are talking about a round of golf....

    We'll have the Leave albatrosses hung around our necks for a long time.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    London turnout depressed says curtice.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Curtice is the grim reaper
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    DavidL said:

    BBC running the line that this is a referendum on Cameron now. Heaven forfend that people could reject their precious EU.

    Based on some of the discussions on here, one half of the country finds the other incomprehensible. We're not speaking the same language any longer.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    "Hasn't been any good news for the remain side so far this evening"
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Prof Curtice reckons that the weather and floods has affected the turnout in London.

    haha. I was on the f**king beach, after voting. 25C.
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    tlg86 said:

    Alistair Campbell on BBC now.

    Switched over to Sky.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,222
    Surely the GOP can't dump Trump now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,469
    John_M said:

    DavidL said:

    BBC running the line that this is a referendum on Cameron now. Heaven forfend that people could reject their precious EU.

    Based on some of the discussions on here, one half of the country finds the other incomprehensible. We're not speaking the same language any longer.
    And then you have got Scotland....
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    tlg86 said:

    Alistair Campbell on BBC now.

    I get all my TV via satellite - it's about a minute behind!
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Southampton 60% Leave seems very high surely?

    That's what I thought with the big Polish community here.
  • GideonWiseGideonWise Posts: 1,123
    Already spinning the result as being nothing to do with the EU.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,637

    HYUFD said:

    Isles of Scilly votes Remain

    803 Remain 621 Leave

    Get a huge amount of EU aid
    You mean UK taxpayers money.
    There is no such thing as "EU money". There is only taxpayers' money!
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Southampton 60% Leave seems very high surely?

    That would be extraordinary.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    Wow. John McDonnell is tiny
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited June 2016
    GBPUSD is looking steady at $1.45/6 for the pound.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302
    Yes, this is definitely the Labour line. It's about Cameron not Brussels.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,283
    TGOHF said:

    Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.

    BBC

    Southampton, Sheffield, Leicester, and Nottingham are my bellwethers.

    They all go Leave, Leave have a clear win.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,513
    taffys said:

    All gone a bit quiet at Meeks towers.

    He's setting up the 'Independence for London' organisation :wink:
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