I believe Vernon Bogdanor was Cameron's tutor at Oxford. I wonder whether he now wishes he had failed him in the finals and saved the country from this.
If Leavers are, say, 65% motivated by immigration and 35% anti-EU but pro Free movement, and Remainers are 90% pro free movement, then tomorrow morning there is a 65% pro-freemovement majority for Brexit negotiations. That is the problem - Remainers don't go away after they've lost.
So looks like my holiday to America is going to be cancelled.
My boss has just texted me a 40% fall in Sterling in the morning at this rate.
Sorry to hear that TSE. Was hoping there would be relaxation on that work edict.
At least Boris can offer an apology when sterling crashes, when property price crashes, when our stocks crash, when there is a flight of capital out of the UK, when leading companies invest outside the UK......
We will be a much poorer country. That'll help keep the immigrants out
While I've never voted Labour, they have had some real intellectual heavyweights in the last century. This current lot are fucking pygmies, unfit to polish Clem's boots.
They're like the Bourbons. Learned nothing, forgotten nothing. Still obsessing over Fatcha.
I believe Vernon Bogdanor was Cameron's tutor at Oxford. I wonder whether he now wishes he had failed him in the finals and saved the country from this.
Bet Cameron wishes he hadn't won in 2015. Could have gone out on a high.
The bookies aren't trying to predict the event, they're trying to get equal amounts of money on each side. The amount of money placed on remain during the campaign will hold the price.
I genuinely don't understand why people are so surprised by all this.
I have to say you are one of the few people who has been saying consistently that Leave would win.
I just couldn't see how Remain could win
Me either. If it's on immigration, leave win. If it's on anger at elite, leave win. If it's on dislike of EU leave win. If it's on economy remain could win, but the poor areas I've seen know they'll be poor regardless and are massively for leave.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Cameron didn't lose it for Remain, but it was disastrous that he was the leader of the Remain campaign. Why would Labour voters vote for him? I think he, and many in the commentariat, forget how partisan a lot of Labour areas still are. Imagine if Thatcher had been leading the Remain campaign - how many Labour voters could've made themselves vote for her? How naive we are to think they would vote for Cameron!
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
The next result from a labour regional heartland will be critical. Will others lab heartlands also outperform for leave. Tory seats in eng regions much closer to expectations so far.
We need to wait for places like Leeds and Brum but barring any big surprises in places like that it's all over bar the shouting isn't it? Looking forward to the shouting though!
Someone please indulge me... what is all this MI5 stuff that people are talking about?
The paranoia amongst an alarmingly high proportion of leavers that if they voted by pencil the secret service would apply a rubber to their vote before it was counted....
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They were expecting to come on and talk about a comfortable Remain victory.
What a damning indictment of both of them.
He manages to connect with people, listen to them, ask insightful questions...maybe the likes of Polly could learn a trick or two.
We will be a much poorer country. That'll help keep the immigrants out
They're like the Bourbons. Learned nothing, forgotten nothing. Still obsessing over Fatcha.
The bookies aren't trying to predict the event, they're trying to get equal amounts of money on each side. The amount of money placed on remain during the campaign will hold the price.
Remain: 6,907 (56.5%)
Leave: 5,315 (43.5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivaKBtZ_WvA
Turnout will be interesting though.
Remain 62% Leave 38%
So a little over £31m matched in just over 27 hrs
He's one of the best the Guardian have - why the hell they still employ Polly T is beyond me. Utterly disconnected.
looks like a very very good bet, to me.
It's bizarre. Leave seemed pretty pessimistic at the start.
Did not see that coming.
Remain 62%
Leave 38%