Has the Remain Campaign now officially usurped Andy Burnham's 2015 leadership bid as the worst election campaign in history?
The Leave campaign was really terrible.
As a Leaver I will admit that the Leave campaign was not great. And Farage's poster with the migrants... deary me. If Leave lose nationally by a percent or so, well..
I detested both campaigns.
For me, Leave identified the correct diagnosis, had a prescription that was garbled and -to whatever extent it was coherent - incorrect, but redeemed themselves by getting the prognosis right. In some form or another Britain's destiny is disengagement from a European system that is approaching greater integration (and currently making a foul-up of it).
They might lose on the night, but on much of the big picture they are basically right.
I'm not convinced Remain got the prescription any better. But this isn't a vote for who gets to implement their prescription. And besides, Cameron's vision for the EU is different to Corbyn's vision of the EU is different to Farron's - and not one of them has the prospect of the power, even if Prime Minister, to reshape the EU in their image.
Some kind of disentanglement is inevitable - tonight merely dictates the pace and the circumstances.
The establishment continues to patronise little England.
If Leave do win, that Little Englander comment will be a huge own goal. I am said this several times, that was on par with Mrs Bucket and her white van / England flag stuff....coded language for racist...and people have had enough of being labelled that shit.
Wales going leave. It must be all over now. And as a remainer I will accept the will of the people, congratulate leave, and hope we can all come together for the good of our Country. Glad I bought my euros last week.
South Norfolk Turnout Figs..... 80148 out of electorate 102398 Turnout 79pc
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Very High Turnout in a district with a combination of Leafy Norwich Fringe suburbs [look like strongly remain 'on the table'] and more rural areas in Waveney Valley towards Diss [look to be strongly Brexit.
In aggregate we expect Brexit to poll more than Remain anyway but difficult at this stage to see whether more than anticipated
"Bridget Phillipson, the Labour MP for Houghton and Sunderland South, said she is “naturally disappointed” with the result but says it reflects the “real sense of anger” in the region about low wages and other issues."
BBC establishment suddenly starting to realise just how far removed they are from the ordinary man, woman and child in this country.
But remember it is not London in a bubble, it is those outside the SE that are....said London metro elite, who pops at weekends to hang out with other London metro elites in Derbyshire...
The political class are responsible for fostering the split over the last 15 years. They've spent gargantuan amounts of money on London projects while letting small towns in the provinces stagnate.
Immigration is HUGE.
The working classes have had to bear it, and the privileged classes who foisted it upon them would never have been as tolerant about it, yet continually labelled the working classes bigoted and racist whenever they griped.
Tonight the working classes bit back.
It was Labour's fault. Tony Blair's (lack of) immigration policy was disastrous.
I'd repaired to my boudoir for a nap. However, my trusty laptop keyboard has broken, and the indicative results so far have woken me right up. So here I am. Let's rock and roll UK.
Wales going leave. It must be all over now. And as a remainer I will accept the will of the people, congratulate leave, and hope we can all come together for the good of our Country. Glad I bought my euros last week.
Well done for you, Big_G, you might well have saved yourself a few quid.
I can't quite believe what I am reading on here this evening though.
Maybe the explanation for a Leave win, should it occur, being missed by the polls is straightforward.
Few are really EU enthusiasts beyond the political class, some apparently big brains and people who perhaps have a particular affinity to certain parts of Europe. Many more though don't like it it all. Even more I suspect many accept it has pros and cons but are deeply suspicious of the whole show and that feeling they really don't have a say, its all being done over their heads.
That gives an inclination to Leave that is instinctive and gut compared to the financial self-interest line pedalled as hard a late night TV advert for a juicer. Come polling day that instinct might be decisive.
Add that to the fact that you might just get branded as a bit of dumb ass, uneducated and vaguely racist person if you favour Leave, what would you do?
You'd keep your counsel, get the polling station and stick two fingers up to that kind of demonisation in the privacy of the ballot box.
The political class are responsible for fostering the split over the last 15 years. They've spent gargantuan amounts of money on London projects while letting small towns in the provinces stagnate.
Immigration is HUGE.
The working classes have had to bear it, and the privileged classes who foisted it upon them would never have been as tolerant about it, yet continually labelled the working classes bigoted and racist whenever they griped.
Tonight the working classes bit back.
It was Labour's fault. Tony Blair's (lack of) immigration policy was disastrous.
I read an article a week or so ago about Rochdale et al - they've taken almost 80% of asylum seekers - Cameron's council has taken Nil.
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For me, Leave identified the correct diagnosis, had a prescription that was garbled and -to whatever extent it was coherent - incorrect, but redeemed themselves by getting the prognosis right. In some form or another Britain's destiny is disengagement from a European system that is approaching greater integration (and currently making a foul-up of it).
They might lose on the night, but on much of the big picture they are basically right.
I'm not convinced Remain got the prescription any better. But this isn't a vote for who gets to implement their prescription. And besides, Cameron's vision for the EU is different to Corbyn's vision of the EU is different to Farron's - and not one of them has the prospect of the power, even if Prime Minister, to reshape the EU in their image.
Some kind of disentanglement is inevitable - tonight merely dictates the pace and the circumstances.
The worrying thing is why it's been brought forwards so much: I hope they're both okay.
Remain: 32,064 (78.3%)
Leave: 8,905 (21.7%)
803 Remain 621 Leave
Heh.
Remain: 803 (56.4%)
Leave: 621 (43.6%)
80148 out of electorate 102398 Turnout 79pc
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Very High Turnout in a district with a combination of Leafy Norwich Fringe suburbs [look like strongly remain 'on the table'] and more rural areas in Waveney Valley towards Diss [look to be strongly Brexit.
In aggregate we expect Brexit to poll more than Remain anyway but difficult at this stage to see whether more than anticipated
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/23/eu-referendum-result-live-counting-leave-remain-brain-in-europe
That disastrous.
We really need to see how the other big English metropolitan areas (Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham) vote.
Populus 55/45 remain today...
FFS!!!!
The working classes have had to bear it, and the privileged classes who foisted it upon them would never have been as tolerant about it, yet continually labelled the working classes bigoted and racist whenever they griped.
Tonight the working classes bit back.
It was Labour's fault. Tony Blair's (lack of) immigration policy was disastrous.
In related news, Ed Miliband is still a dickhead.
But the way things are going....!!
Remain 51,220 Leave 61,745
Remain: 51,220 (45.3%)
Leave: 61,745 (54.7%)
Was expecting 48% Remain. Hanretty was 41%.
In: 51,220
Out: 61,745
Get in THERE
Really, the PB Tory establishment is so far removed from why the ordinary LEAVEr wants LEAVE ;D
I can't quite believe what I am reading on here this evening though.
Few are really EU enthusiasts beyond the political class, some apparently big brains and people who perhaps have a particular affinity to certain parts of Europe. Many more though don't like it it all. Even more I suspect many accept it has pros and cons but are deeply suspicious of the whole show and that feeling they really don't have a say, its all being done over their heads.
That gives an inclination to Leave that is instinctive and gut compared to the financial self-interest line pedalled as hard a late night TV advert for a juicer. Come polling day that instinct might be decisive.
Add that to the fact that you might just get branded as a bit of dumb ass, uneducated and vaguely racist person if you favour Leave, what would you do?
You'd keep your counsel, get the polling station and stick two fingers up to that kind of demonisation in the privacy of the ballot box.
In 51% Leave 49%
I think that would be the worst possible result. Slim Remain and a London vs ... type scenario.