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Polling analysis where you have plenty of surveys is all about direction of travel and there’s a very clear message from the latest referendum surveys – it’s getting tighter and LEAVE’s position is improving.
I just had a £200 cash bet at my local Corals at 3/1 on leave. They just took the money, no phone call to head office. I haven't been in that shop for 2 years.
For a lot of us folk in non-marginal constituencies, this is one of those rare chances where your vote really counts.
FPT, re Cameron's odd speech. Controversial claim: I reckon Cameron is a better - more "authentically" emotive - actor than Blair but a worse liar - looks less comfortable when expressing outright falsehoods. (If you didn't like Blair's super-slick smoothness, even his heartspoken truthful guff sounded suspiciously non-credible, but if you gave him a pass on that, he could segue flawlessly into equally earnest economy with l'actualité. With Cameron it is usually clearer when he thinks he is on dodgy territory.)
Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015
NOM was even shorter.
Here we almost all piled on NOM at between 1/8'and 1/10 on the morning of 7th. as OGH said in the last Thread, after Nuneaton we all realised we might be wrong!
At least with a referendum binary choice, most of us should be all green as the counting starts.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
Or maybe the private pollster lucked in. The question ordering they used was basically an example of how you shouldn't word polling questions.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
So why were the Tories only expecting 290-300? Were they lying to all the journos in their private briefings?
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
It might be a hangover from watching the England match of course.
NB - re: marginal/ non marginals. The lowest seats for share of voting are well known to be Labour safe ones. If traditional Labour voters don't come out because the know the seat is safe, but DO come out on this because they know that every vote counts, then the CDE turnout could be substantially higher than for the election.
I can't help feeling that after being compared to Neville Chamberlain on BBC1 - plus all the other brickbats from rowdy voters, his confidence has been seriously bruised.
He didn't come across as his smooth urbane self on breakfast telly and this snap press conf just confirms his emotional need to get in front of the cameras to make his case.
I think it's a mistake. When your boss is upset, he's not thinking rationally - nor will it make him a good advocate. Far too much raw feeling on display - and when that's fear, we can all see it.
I think we have two viable scenarios: 1. Private polls show that its Leave's to lose hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for mercy 2. Private polls show that Remain are a few points ahead hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for more people to help save him. "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
Why would private polling figures be different from the public ones - and if they were, which would you believe?
I believe all of the polls taken at any one time are 100% accurate in portraying a snapshot at that particular time.
That depends on methodology. If that's faulty then they won't be.
Well, it really depends on whether you believe polls are accurate predictors or not. Methodology, sample size, demographics, etc, etc, etc, it's all basically an educated guess.
Interesting that Cameron's speech hasn't even made the front page of the BBC news website. Surely if you are going to give a speech you want to give everyone enough warning that they actually report it?
I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
So why were the Tories only expecting 290-300? Were they lying to all the journos in their private briefings?
For most of the campaign they were expecting 310 ish seats. It was only in the last few weeks that the Lib Dems seats swung heavily to the Tories.
Like many they were expecting the Lib Dem incumbency to kick in
To be fair to everyone, I think because we have never had a referendum like this before, that huge mistakes have been made on tactics by both sides. I put this down to the mad panic towards the end of the Scottish referendum, when they went to "Project Fear." They clearly thought wrongly (Remain) that as this proved successful, that they would resort to these tactics straight from the starting gun. Even if Remain win, these tactics will leave a really bitter legacy in the minds of the British people.
I'm still a fan of the PM, even though he has pushed this to the absolute limit, he is still in my view a decent man. I really hope in his quieter moments, that he deeply regrets letting George Osborne set the agenda for this campaign. He really should have moved him straight after the GE but we are where we are. That punishment budget was just the last straw and deeply unedifying for a Chancellor, which after all is one of the Great Offices of State. Theresa May or Andrea Leadsom would be my choice, it would take the "machismo" out of the Treasury, which is sorely needed after Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and George Osborne.
Interesting that Cameron's speech hasn't even made the front page of the BBC news website. Surely if you are going to give a speech you want to give everyone enough warning that they actually report it?
I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
I thought the Tories were expecting 300 or so.
I think there was a lot of spin from Team Crosby after the result. > We're fab, hire us!
So maybe the death of Jo Cox caused Leavers to pause, undecideds towards Remain. The polls picked that up. But then the wall-to-wall shroud-waving got to people - and a period of several days for rational thought with no campaigning perhaps returned people to where they had previously been inclining?
The Commentariat thought Jo Fox would be good for Remain. The Commentariat have been continually wrong-footed by a campaign that should have been over weeks ago, according to them.
OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?
I live in Islwyn constituency part of Caerphilly County. High UKIP vote at Welsh Assembly election, lots of vote Leave posters, not seen any Remain. Think it will be a high leave vote here.
However I commute to Cardiff, lots more Remain posters, but also a smattering of Leave. I'd say Cardiff goes remain, Newport goes Leave. Overall, I'd say the leavers in the Valleys are the more enthused about voting.
FPT re Cameronm speech: I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.
We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:
Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?" Attlee: "No."
I think we have two viable scenarios: 1. Private polls show that its Leave's to lose hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for mercy 2. Private polls show that Remain are a few points ahead hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for more people to help save him. "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"
Perhaps he's been told that the 1922 committee now have enough MPs letters to start a contest?
Shadsy kinda pointed out Remain has the same implied probability now that Tory most seats did at 7am on May 7th 2015
NOM was even shorter.
Here we almost all piled on NOM at between 1/8'and 1/10 on the morning of 7th. as OGH said in the last Thread, after Nuneaton we all realised we might be wrong!
At least with a referendum binary choice, most of us should be all green as the counting starts.
My favourite bit of early hours on the 8th was the reaction of other bettors piling onto rather good odds as others slept. I'm so glad my adrenaline kept me awake for almost 48hrs.
Plenty. To be a leave supporter in Dore and Totley is like being a Spartan at Thermoplyae
TSE: Choose your next words carefully, Dr. Sunil. They may be your last as PB LEAVE Leader.
Sunil: [to himself: thinking] "Earth and water"? [He unsheathes and points his sword at TSE's throat]
TSE: Madman! You're a madman!
Sunil: Earth and water? You'll find plenty of both down there.[referring to the well behind TSE]
TSE: No man, LEAVER or REMAINER, no man threatens a lawyer!
Sunil: You bring the ashes and ruins of conquered economies to our city steps. You insult my farmers and fishermen. You threaten the UK with slavery and EU diktats! Oh, I've chosen my words carefully, Traitor Pig-Dog Lawyer! Perhaps you should have done the same!
TSE: This is blasphemy! This is madness!
Sunil: Madness...? This is BREXIT! [He kicks poor TSE down the well]
OK welsh pbers, predictions on how your area will vote on Thursday and which area please. Do polls over/under estimate Welsh euroscepticism?
I live in Islwyn constituency part of Caerphilly County. High UKIP vote at Welsh Assembly election, lots of vote Leave posters, not seen any Remain. Think it will be a high leave vote here.
However I commute to Cardiff, lots more Remain posters, but also a smattering of Leave. I'd say Cardiff goes remain, Newport goes Leave. Overall, I'd say the leavers in the Valleys are the more enthused about voting.
''The Commentariat thought Jo Fox would be good for Remain. The Commentariat have been continually wrong-footed by a campaign that should have been over weeks ago, according to them. ''
Whisper it. What if the commentariat is wrong about 'the poster' ??
Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters. My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.
Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
Its the lectern wot dun it. Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
Does the PM have access to private polling figures? Could that be why he looked physically ill today?
The private polling is likely to show the same as the public polling, an average lead of 1% for Remain. Anyone would be nervous in that situation.
Nah, the Tory private polling at the GE showed a vastly different picture to the published polls because of the better sample, and the question order used.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
So why were the Tories only expecting 290-300? Were they lying to all the journos in their private briefings?
For most of the campaign they were expecting 310 ish seats. It was only in the last few weeks that the Lib Dems seats swung heavily to the Tories.
Like many they were expecting the Lib Dem incumbency to kick in
They ended their campaign at Carlisle (a seat i got almost 4 to 1 on). They knew what was happening, and as good as 2010 was merely the benchmark...
Cameron's speech has distracted from what General Michael Rose said on the World at One. Rose said he was backing Leave because he was concerned at prospects for an EU army.
He said "the remorseless logic of a single state ultimately means that the British Army will be no more".
The army, by the way, is something like 80-90% pro-Leave.
Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters. My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.
The Conservative party is in far less trouble if we vote LEAVE.
Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters. My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.
The Conservative party will be in a lot more trouble if it's 53/47 to Remain.
FPT re Cameronm speech: I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.
We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:
Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?" Attlee: "No."
FPT re Cameronm speech: I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.
We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:
Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?" Attlee: "No."
I love that quote!
Ha! I'd not heard that before. Brilliant. Oh for quieter times
Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
Its the lectern wot dun it. Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
Come to think of it, the No 10 office will probably just invoice the remain campaign for any costs involved.
Finished my last GOTV delivery for the day. My last road of 16 houses had two displaying Vote Leave posters. My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.
The Conservative party is in far less trouble if we vote LEAVE.
Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
Its the lectern wot dun it. Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
Come to think of it, the No 10 office will probably just invoice the remain campaign for any costs involved.
Only fair, therefore, that Boris gets to give a speech to camera on Downing Street.
Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
Its the lectern wot dun it. Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
Come to think of it, the No 10 office will probably just invoice the remain campaign for any costs involved.
Only fair, therefore, that Boris gets to give a speech to camera on Downing Street.
FPT re Cameronm speech: I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.
We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:
Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?" Attlee: "No."
I love that quote!
Ha! I'd not heard that before. Brilliant. Oh for quieter times
Interesting that Cameron's speech hasn't even made the front page of the BBC news website. Surely if you are going to give a speech you want to give everyone enough warning that they actually report it?
I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.
PM probably praying it's not N Ireland 1 Germany 0 later because that will be a chunk of news time and would be wall to wall in N Ireland. BBC Radio Wales news had at least 20 mins of Wales 3 Russia 0 this morning in a half hour slot and the talk in the office is of little else, other than will it be the Czechs or the Croats in the next round, (what referendum!). I have little doubt the local TV will be the same this evening. Good job England didn't have Peter Bonetti in goal last night like 1970.
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The PM looked quite rattled outside Number 10.
Why is Leave still 4.1 on Betfair?
...The NOs have it"
FPT, re Cameron's odd speech. Controversial claim: I reckon Cameron is a better - more "authentically" emotive - actor than Blair but a worse liar - looks less comfortable when expressing outright falsehoods. (If you didn't like Blair's super-slick smoothness, even his heartspoken truthful guff sounded suspiciously non-credible, but if you gave him a pass on that, he could segue flawlessly into equally earnest economy with l'actualité. With Cameron it is usually clearer when he thinks he is on dodgy territory.)
His private pollster has been quite relaxed on Twitter in recent days.
Hhhmmm.
At least with a referendum binary choice, most of us should be all green as the counting starts.
The final Crosby-Textor polling had the Tories winning 329 seats.
Cameron needs a thumping win to kill Boris's chances for good.
There is nothing, literally nothing he can do now to convince me to vote tory again whilst he is leader, let alone vote remain.
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Purdah rules couldn't be clearer: "Government property should not be used for campaigning" http://order-order.com/2016/06/21/purdah-he-smote/ …
North East Derbyshire, out. (55-45)
Derbyshire, out (53-47)
In summary out, out, out !
NB - re: marginal/ non marginals. The lowest seats for share of voting are well known to be Labour safe ones. If traditional Labour voters don't come out because the know the seat is safe, but DO come out on this because they know that every vote counts, then the CDE turnout could be substantially higher than for the election.
He didn't come across as his smooth urbane self on breakfast telly and this snap press conf just confirms his emotional need to get in front of the cameras to make his case.
I think it's a mistake. When your boss is upset, he's not thinking rationally - nor will it make him a good advocate. Far too much raw feeling on display - and when that's fear, we can all see it.
1. Private polls show that its Leave's to lose hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for mercy
2. Private polls show that Remain are a few points ahead hence Dave making a Significant Announcement to beg for more people to help save him. "Don't do it for me, do it for little Georgie Boy"
I honestly don't understand the thinking behind this.
Like many they were expecting the Lib Dem incumbency to kick in
Yup.
Which could either be act of brilliance. Or a terrible misfire. Hard to know for sure.
I'm still a fan of the PM, even though he has pushed this to the absolute limit, he is still in my view a decent man. I really hope in his quieter moments, that he deeply regrets letting George Osborne set the agenda for this campaign. He really should have moved him straight after the GE but we are where we are. That punishment budget was just the last straw and deeply unedifying for a Chancellor, which after all is one of the Great Offices of State. Theresa May or Andrea Leadsom would be my choice, it would take the "machismo" out of the Treasury, which is sorely needed after Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and George Osborne.
D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N
The Commentariat thought Jo Fox would be good for Remain. The Commentariat have been continually wrong-footed by a campaign that should have been over weeks ago, according to them.
When VoteLeave gave Sky one of their own internal polls - it was obviously intended to show that they were talking common-ground and winning.
The headline numbers should be the same - or perhaps a teeny bit more accurate dependent on larger samples/same pollster methodologies.
Although I guess, technically, the street is government property.
However I commute to Cardiff, lots more Remain posters, but also a smattering of Leave. I'd say Cardiff goes remain, Newport goes Leave. Overall, I'd say the leavers in the Valleys are the more enthused about voting.
I assume it's simply news grid control. A Final Statement From the Prime Minister is going to lead the headlines, regardless of content. Insures against the Remain team screwing up in the debate.
We're a long way past that famous (and in my view rather wonderful) election eve exchange from 1945:
Excited journalist: "Mr Attlee! Have you one final message to the British people before they go to vote tomorrow?"
Attlee: "No."
Sunil: [to himself: thinking] "Earth and water"?
[He unsheathes and points his sword at TSE's throat]
TSE: Madman! You're a madman!
Sunil: Earth and water? You'll find plenty of both down there.[referring to the well behind TSE]
TSE: No man, LEAVER or REMAINER, no man threatens a lawyer!
Sunil: You bring the ashes and ruins of conquered economies to our city steps. You insult my farmers and fishermen. You threaten the UK with slavery and EU diktats! Oh, I've chosen my words carefully, Traitor Pig-Dog Lawyer! Perhaps you should have done the same!
TSE: This is blasphemy! This is madness!
Sunil: Madness...? This is BREXIT!
[He kicks poor TSE down the well]
Gipper>Gimp"Whisper it. What if the commentariat is wrong about 'the poster' ??
My feeling is that Leave will win this something like 53/47 and that the Conservative party is in very deep trouble.
Seriously, was no government resources involved in planning the use and arrangements outside number 10? Frankly I could not give a damn, but someone is having a hissy fit type of panic.
He said "the remorseless logic of a single state ultimately means that the British Army will be no more".
The army, by the way, is something like 80-90% pro-Leave.