Anecdotally I mentioned that our couple of dozen closer friends shall be voting "remain", with one possible exception. I now discover that this one too is strong "remainer", but that his Polish immigrant wife will vote "leave" as she is upset by the degree of house building around them, driven she says by all this dangerous immigration. Hmmmm.
In compensation, my sharp Muslim immigrant taxi driver today---has voted to stay.
Just got some bullshit Remain leaflet through the door personally addressed to me. It has some nonsense about 'don't let Farage speak for you' accompanied by scary writing.
It also appeals to me to put it up as a Remain poster in the window.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
Do you have a pack of moistened floor wipes.
Those worked for me.
But I accept no responsibility if it makes things worse
Anecdotally I mentioned that our couple of dozen closer friends shall be voting "remain", with one possible exception. I now discover that this one too is strong "remainer", but that his Polish immigrant wife will vote "leave" as she is upset by the degree of house building around them, driven she says by all this dangerous immigration. Hmmmm.
In compensation, my sharp Muslim immigrant taxi driver today---has voted to stay.
Just got some bullshit Remain leaflet through the door personally addressed to me. It has some nonsense about 'don't let Farage speak for you' accompanied by scary writing.
It also appeals to me to put it up as a Remain poster in the window.
They'll be lucky if I wipe my shoes with it.
My partner also had that. It seemed rather arrogant that it just assumed he was voting remain. Maybe they used some sort of mosaic profiling.
The good news is that when Leave lose next week, thanks to free movement of workers across the EU, they can all piss off to eastern Europe and leave us all in peace.
Yes, we were saying earlier that Orlando is having an annus horribilis. The poor parents, they must be going out of their minds .
In this era of health and safety the idea that someone could go to a category one theme park and be eaten by an alligator hiding in a pond is quite mind boggling.
Florida is not the Blackpool Pleasure beach. Gators and all sorts of poisonous snakes and spiders etc are everywhere in the South.
a) it's hardly a pond, - it's a huge expanse of water as large as the magic Kingdom itself - and b) alligators are native to Florida (and Georgia come to that).
Anyone on a golf course here knows that you never go into long grass or bushes without a club for protection, (snakes), and you NEVER put your hand into a lake / pond to retrieve a ball. Always assume that there is a gator in every pond. I've seen several sunning themselves or walking lazily across fairways. It's second nature when you live here. They can move quite fast across land when they are chasing.
Unfortunately this family were from Nebraska and knew nothing of gators. The water was well posted with 'no swimming' signs though.
I was at the resort about three weeks ago. The hotel I was in had fake beaches everywhere with pretty clear "no swimming" signs as you would expect in a Floridian lake filled with all sorts of creatures, primarily alligators. Kids were still splashing about at the waters edge which seemed barmy. Very sad.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
White wine gets out red wine.
Best not tried the other way around.
It does appear to be doing something....I'm on white wine, salt, and vanish, soap and water
BTW- I have restricted myself to only one bowl of rice crispies, my goto favourite night time munchie, since your rat warning.
On another's forum, there are a bunch of French and German posters who claim the UK is widely seen on the continent as a nation of whiners, nostalgic for empire, who have spent the last 40 years demanding special treatment. They say that if we leave the EU we won't be missed, and if we stay we'll be expected to become good European citizens, abandoning all opt-outs.
Of course, the opinion of random internet commentators is not a reliable guide to the majority view in France or Germany, but this does suggest that after a British exit, populist politicians trying to whip up anti-UK sentiment might find fertile ground.
Quite so. Things have gone much too far now for us to stay.
We must Leave and see this through.
Judging by the betting markets you could well be in the minority come the 24th. If you lose don't be too despondent- there are plenty other nihilistic causes you can cling to...Donald Trump, Le Pen, fracking, exposing the great climate change myth...just a few spring to kind. You can always continue to blame the immigrants for everything, and become even more hateful of Muslims as they flee for their lives from war torn countries. Or hope that the seas off Libya become a bit stormy. Loads of luscious, nihilistic stuff to salivate on.
I think that post says much more about you than it does me, tyson.
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
Just got some bullshit Remain leaflet through the door personally addressed to me. It has some nonsense about 'don't let Farage speak for you' accompanied by scary writing.
It also appeals to me to put it up as a Remain poster in the window.
They'll be lucky if I wipe my shoes with it.
It is part of their shit microtargeting strategy. I had one saying I should vote Remain for my family. Why the fuck would you send a leaflet pushing family related arguments to a 20 something year old.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
Sounds like the 30 min warning of our youth.
Sit against the wall, put your head between your knees - and kiss your ass goodbye.
That's exactly how she makes me feel. I've tried to explain this flashback to childhood terror that she can induce in me, but she doesn't get it.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
Do you have a pack of moistened floor wipes.
Those worked for me.
But I accept no responsibility if it makes things worse
Good luck.
Yes....I have them. I have moistened floor wipes. Thank you.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
White wine gets out red wine.
Best not tried the other way around.
It does appear to be doing something....I'm on white wine, salt, and vanish, soap and water
BTW- I have restricted myself to only one bowl of rice crispies, my goto favourite night time munchie, since your rat warning.
Have them with raw milk (widely available in Italy I understand) and we'll call it quits.
On another's forum, there are a bunch of French and German posters who claim the UK is widely seen on the continent as a nation of whiners, nostalgic for empire, who have spent the last 40 years demanding special treatment. They say that if we leave the EU we won't be missed, and if we stay we'll be expected to become good European citizens, abandoning all opt-outs.
Of course, the opinion of random internet commentators is not a reliable guide to the majority view in France or Germany, but this does suggest that after a British exit, populist politicians trying to whip up anti-UK sentiment might find fertile ground.
Quite so. Things have gone much too far now for us to stay.
We must Leave and see this through.
Judging by the betting markets you could well be in the minority come the 24th. If you lose don't be too despondent- there are plenty other nihilistic causes you can cling to...Donald Trump, Le Pen, fracking, exposing the great climate change myth...just a few spring to kind. You can always continue to blame the immigrants for everything, and become even more hateful of Muslims as they flee for their lives from war torn countries. Or hope that the seas off Libya become a bit stormy. Loads of luscious, nihilistic stuff to salivate on.
Stop being a dick, Tyson. Casino is one of the most civilized and upstanding commenters on here. He gets a lot of abuse and usually resists replying in kind. I sometimes find his restraint perplexing.
If you want a nasty quasi fascist drunken hooligan to argue with, have a go at me.
Just got some bullshit Remain leaflet through the door personally addressed to me. It has some nonsense about 'don't let Farage speak for you' accompanied by scary writing.
It also appeals to me to put it up as a Remain poster in the window.
They'll be lucky if I wipe my shoes with it.
I.got one personally addressed in the post yesterday with Martyn Lewis being quoted and a poster on the back going on about switching on the lights before diviing or something like that.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
White wine gets out red wine.
Best not tried the other way around.
It does appear to be doing something....I'm on white wine, salt, and vanish, soap and water
BTW- I have restricted myself to only one bowl of rice crispies, my goto favourite night time munchie, since your rat warning.
Anecdote alert. My friend the Vet and my neighbour the (Easy Jet!) Pilot and his Labour voting wife said they were for Leave. Vet voted by post and thinks were out by some margin. ABs for Leave!
I have family in Hampshire, actively involved in Conservative local government. Like me, core vote old school Tories (ex in my case). If their feelings about Cameron and Osborne (communicated today) are in any way representative of the party, then Dave and Gideon are dead men walking.
Calling a temporary truce on the minor thing of the EU far more important matters have arisen.......how does one get a very fine, full glass of chianti off a beige sofa? I've got about thirty minutes before my superior being returns home.
Sounds like the 30 min warning of our youth.
Sit against the wall, put your head between your knees - and kiss your ass goodbye.
That's exactly how she makes me feel. I've tried to explain this flashback to childhood terror that she can induce in me, but she doesn't get it.
Enough about Sturgeon, just concentrate on the sofs
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Um, or reducing the size of the EU and making it more efficient?
I've been away at a funeral today, so missed much of the pre-referendum japes. Almost too much to catch up on!
I've been tweaking some numbers in my model, and can announce that today's MORTAR (Mortimer's Original Regional Tally Assumptions Recorder), which incorporates some swingback to Remain for those scared of Osborne, points to the following result:
50/50 - with MOE tipping it to Leave by just over one hundred thousand votes nationally.
With the following party vote splits input:
Party, R/L
CON 0.48 0.52 LAB 0.6 0.4 LIB DEM 0.67 0.33
APNI 0.95 0.05 BNP 0.5 0.5 DUP 0.2 0.7 GREEN 0.95 0.5 INDPT 0.5 0.5 PC 0.75 0.25 SF 0.95 0.05 SDLP SNP 0.65 0.35 UUP 0.6 0.4 UKIP 0.05 0.95
Close it may on the headline numbers, but that breakdown put into MORTAR produce 402 LEAVE constituencies to 248 REMAIN
On another's forum, there are a bunch of French and German posters who claim the UK is widely seen on the continent as a nation of whiners, nostalgic for empire, who have spent the last 40 years demanding special treatment. They say that if we leave the EU we won't be missed, and if we stay we'll be expected to become good European citizens, abandoning all opt-outs.
Of course, the opinion of random internet commentators is not a reliable guide to the majority view in France or Germany, but this does suggest that after a British exit, populist politicians trying to whip up anti-UK sentiment might find fertile ground.
Quite so. Things have gone much too far now for us to stay.
We must Leave and see this through.
Judging by the betting markets you could well be in the minority come the 24th. If you lose don't be too despondent- there are plenty other nihilistic causes you can cling to...Donald Trump, Le Pen, fracking, exposing the great climate change myth...just a few spring to kind. You can always continue to blame the immigrants for everything, and become even more hateful of Muslims as they flee for their lives from war torn countries. Or hope that the seas off Libya become a bit stormy. Loads of luscious, nihilistic stuff to salivate on.
Stop being a dick, Tyson. Casino is one of the most civilized and upstanding commenters on here. He gets a lot of abuse and usually resists replying in kind. I sometimes find his restraint perplexing.
If you want a nasty quasi fascist drunken hooligan to argue with, have a go at me.
You are in remarkably high spirits tonight seanT. I didn't want to piss on your parade, but I like the way you have stuck up for Casino...incidentally one of the best posters on this site.
I have more important things to worry about now......
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Not Florida
Sardinia, Sicily etc likely to be too hot unless you're a huge sun fan.
Garda is lovely, but the Lake was freezing when I went in September. Perhaps somewhere on the Adriatic coast?
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Wriggling again Dr Fox. It does not affect the negotiations and the decision on those is taken by QMV. And if we have not reached a settlement after 2 years via the Article 50 process then we leave anyway and subsequent negotiations are again decided under QMV.
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
Anecdote alert. My friend the Vet and my neighbour the (Easy Jet!) Pilot and his Labour voting wife said they were for Leave. Vet voted by post and thinks were out by some margin. ABs for Leave!
I have family in Hampshire, actively involved in Conservative local government. Like me, core vote old school Tories (ex in my case). If their feelings about Cameron and Osborne (communicated today) are in any way representative of the party, then Dave and Gideon are dead men walking.
Sounds positive.
My anecdote alert for the day: retired public sector management level Uncle and his retired social worker partner for Leave. I was really quite shocked - Uncle is a Tory, his partner a firm Labourite.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Not Florida
I may be a dumb Remainiac but even I know that Florida is not in Italy Paul.
Anecdote alert. My friend the Vet and my neighbour the (Easy Jet!) Pilot and his Labour voting wife said they were for Leave. Vet voted by post and thinks were out by some margin. ABs for Leave!
I have family in Hampshire, actively involved in Conservative local government. Like me, core vote old school Tories (ex in my case). If their feelings about Cameron and Osborne (communicated today) are in any way representative of the party, then Dave and Gideon are dead men walking.
Sounds positive.
My anecdote alert for the day: retired public sector management level Uncle and his retired social worker partner for Leave. I was really quite shocked - Uncle is a Tory, his partner a firm Labourite.
Doesn't that just reflect their age?
I want to be optimistic, but I still think Remain will take it.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Not Florida
Sardinia, Sicily etc likely to be too hot unless you're a huge sun fan.
Garda is lovely, but the Lake was freezing when I went in September. Perhaps somewhere on the Adriatic coast?
Thanks. I hear crowds are a major factor too, in Sicily, Sardinia, in August?
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
But to be fair to Gove, he is very good at delivering a lie.
'The most important quality for a politician to have is sincerity - and if you can fake that well you've got it made'. But in Gove's case he IS sincere. He put himself through serious grief to take on the Blob at Education for no obvious personal gain. He believes in a small state and putting the consumer before the producer. He'd make a fine PM.
He certainly does not believe in putting the consumer before the producer. He believes in limiting the consumer's choice in services, for example: plumbing, plastering, building etc.
And if he really believes that the government will not use its veto to prevent Turkey joining the EU then he believes that David Cameron is a liar. Thus meaning he wants a liar and someone we cannot trust to be our leader.
Or he believes Cameron won't be PM when the decision is made.
No, he specifically said this government will not use its veto because this government backs Turkish EU membership.
Gove has turned out to be the most dishonest of all the leaders in this referendum.Which is disappointing as I previously put him down as having his heart in the right place, even if an impractical politician. The other leaders may spout nonsense, but we get to decide how many bucket loads of salt to take with it. Gove goes in for clear statements of fact that are false and which he, as intelligent and informed man, would know to be false.
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
I'm. not. laughing. at this.
I'm a simple soul and usually just own up in such cases.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Wriggling again Dr Fox. It does not affect the negotiations and the decision on those is taken by QMV. And if we have not reached a settlement after 2 years via the Article 50 process then we leave anyway and subsequent negotiations are again decided under QMV.
Richard are there any easily digestible articles/sites that explain how WTO members deal with the single market? I'm assuming that not every EU trading partner has a bilateral trade agreement. Correct?
Anecdote alert. My friend the Vet and my neighbour the (Easy Jet!) Pilot and his Labour voting wife said they were for Leave. Vet voted by post and thinks were out by some margin. ABs for Leave!
I have family in Hampshire, actively involved in Conservative local government. Like me, core vote old school Tories (ex in my case). If their feelings about Cameron and Osborne (communicated today) are in any way representative of the party, then Dave and Gideon are dead men walking.
Sounds positive.
My anecdote alert for the day: retired public sector management level Uncle and his retired social worker partner for Leave. I was really quite shocked - Uncle is a Tory, his partner a firm Labourite.
Doesn't that just reflect their age?
I want to be optimistic, but I still think Remain will take it.
Perhaps, but it is probably the first time I've ever heard them agree politically. Shocked.
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
I'm. not. laughing. at this.
I'm a simple soul and usually just own up in such cases.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
I would suggest Lake Trasimeno in Umbria. Will be a bit warmer than the lakes in Lombardy.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
Interesting. Thank you Charles. We have been looking at Dalmatia.
The man who wanted to be prime minister because "he thought he'd be quite good at it", will, if he loses (now likelier than not) go down in history as the worst prime minister in 100 years, or maybe ever.
BoZo will outdo him, possibly in less than a month
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Now, he's just a sad old sack.
In Organising Live/Band Aid he demonstrably did more good than most if not all of us will do in our lifetime. It was the original lets not forget. So I'll give him a pass.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
I second Dalmatia. Our kids loved it. Cheaper and less crowded.
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
I am in suburban Bedfordshire and am puzzled by the caution of SeanT and others whose opinions I respect. My bell weather voters are going Leave and when I look at the indications from the Stokes and Nottinghamshire towns and villages I struggle to see how it will even be that close.
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
I'm. not. laughing. at this.
I'm a simple soul and usually just own up in such cases.
You do not know my wife.
You could always cut yourself (not seriously of course!) and bleed over the sofa. This has the dual advantage of hiding the original stain and perhaps winning some sympathy. Your good lady might even bring you another glass of wine to fortify your spirits.
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
Are the shops still open?
How quickly can they deliver a new sofa?
Even John Lewis are going to struggle to deliver to Italy before supper time...
Tyson - when you're recovered, could you recommend a decent Chianti. I've had some very mediocre examples in the UK...
@Tyson salt, salt, salt. Lots of it – sucks up the wine through capillary action. Then fairy liquid, water, and pray.
I've done salt, loads of salt, white wine, vanish, soap, water and floor moisturisers- the sofa is completely drenched and am using the hair dryer now and the dogs towels to hide the scene of this terrible crime. The clock is ticking.
Get a shedload of fairy liquid and rub it in with your fingers, leave it for a couple of minutes, then scrub with warm water. Then rinse with cold. Then dry with a hairdryer.
But to be fair to Gove, he is very good at delivering a lie.
'The most important quality for a politician to have is sincerity - and if you can fake that well you've got it made'. But in Gove's case he IS sincere. He put himself through serious grief to take on the Blob at Education for no obvious personal gain. He believes in a small state and putting the consumer before the producer. He'd make a fine PM.
He certainly does not believe in putting the consumer before the producer. He believes in limiting the consumer's choice in services, for example: plumbing, plastering, building etc.
And if he really believes that the government will not use its veto to prevent Turkey joining the EU then he believes that David Cameron is a liar. Thus meaning he wants a liar and someone we cannot trust to be our leader.
Or he believes Cameron won't be PM when the decision is made.
No, he specifically said this government will not use its veto because this government backs Turkish EU membership.
Gove has turned out to be the most dishonest of all the leaders in this referendum.Which is disappointing as I previously put him down as having his heart in the right place, even if an impractical politician. The other leaders may spout nonsense, but we get to decide how many bucket loads of salt to take with it. Gove goes in for clear statements of fact that are false and which he, as intelligent and informed man, would know to be false.
Gove's Dad says that his business did not go bust because of EU red tape contrary to Gove's claim. I had thought of Gove as being an honest person but his scaremongering over Turkey using false and incomplete information has destroyed his credibility for me.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
Interesting. Thank you Charles. We have been looking at Dalmatia.
My uncle has a place out there and absolutely loves it
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Now, he's just a sad old sack.
In Organising Live/Band Aid he demonstrably did more good than most if not all of us will do in our lifetime. It was the original lets not forget. So I'll give him a pass.
But in wanting to Remain in the EU with its Common Agricultural Policy that does more damage to African farmers than all the good Band Aid ever did he is helping undo that legacy.
Scrapping the CAP and letting Africa trade with us on the same terms as Europe can will do more good than Band Aid ever could.
Anecdote alert. Mrs Monksfield was at Cereals today, the show for arable farmers. They had a token poll, where people could put tokens into cylinders for in, out and undecided. She said out was about 25-30% ahead of in but that undecided was itself only slightly lower than in, hence the way the undecideds break could make a difference.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
Interesting. Thank you Charles. We have been looking at Dalmatia.
My uncle has a place out there and absolutely loves it
All pebble beaches though, I am told? (possibly wrongly)
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
Interesting. Thank you Charles. We have been looking at Dalmatia.
I keep on trying to reply to your post, despite dealing with my ordeal here. Sardinia is perfect, stunning, beautiful...we go to Chia very year. The wine, the scenery, the people, the food, the light, the colours.....But not August....not because it is too hot, it is just too busy.
The beginning of October or mid May- the end or the start of the season. I'd give Italy a miss in August to be honest....it is just too full.
On another forum, there are a bunch of French and German posters who claim the UK is widely seen on the continent as a nation of whiners, nostalgic for empire, who have spent the last 40 years demanding special treatment. They say that if we leave the EU we won't be missed, and if we stay we'll be expected to become good European citizens, abandoning all opt-outs.
Of course, the opinion of random internet commentators is not a reliable guide to the majority view in France or Germany, but this does suggest that after a British exit, populist politicians trying to whip up anti-UK sentiment might find fertile ground.
But you can also find LOTS of European commenters who admire Britain for standing up to Brussels, for having the guts to hold a referendum, for always fighting our corner, etc
Some of them actively want OUT to win, to screw Brussels. Italians in particular think this. And swedes.
You might even find the same person being pulled both ways.
Ideally, I would want this referendum to be a vote of confidence in the EU. That is, we can say we have no confidence in the current arrangement, but we'll give you one last chance to mend your ways. But, that's not on offer.
So, as I said earlier, it comes down to what world do you want? A world of nation states, traditions, and sovereignty, or a world of supranational institutions, with capital and people moving wherever they wish.
I choose the former.
Agreed. I'd like to give the EU one more chance. A yellow card, but one they really understand means: Last Chance, not just another close or lost vote they can conveniently ignore
But that's not available. With great trepidation and some sadness I am forced to vote OUT.
I am in suburban Bedfordshire and am puzzled by the caution of SeanT and others whose opinions I respect. My bell weather voters are going Leave and when I look at the indications from the Stokes and Nottinghamshire towns and villages I struggle to see how it will even be that close.
Don't hope. It's the hope that kills you.
Sean enumerated the reasons earlier. With few exceptions, the great and good have commanded the electorate to vote Remain. They've been threatened economically, bludgeoned as racists by the bien pensant metropolitan luvvies (#dontfuckourfuture) and warned of the subsequent holocaust if they disobey. How can Brexit win?
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
I second Dalmatia. Our kids loved it. Cheaper and less crowded.
I was there last year and am going back to Croatia this summer. Highly recommended.
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Now, he's just a sad old sack.
In Organising Live/Band Aid he demonstrably did more good than most if not all of us will do in our lifetime. It was the original lets not forget. So I'll give him a pass.
But in wanting to Remain in the EU with its Common Agricultural Policy that does more damage to African farmers than all the good Band Aid ever did he is helping undo that legacy.
Scrapping the CAP and letting Africa trade with us on the same terms as Europe can will do more good than Band Aid ever could.
If you say so Philip, although I don't think Bozo and his pet lizard have African farmers in mind in making their pitch for out.
I am in suburban Bedfordshire and am puzzled by the caution of SeanT and others whose opinions I respect. My bell weather voters are going Leave and when I look at the indications from the Stokes and Nottinghamshire towns and villages I struggle to see how it will even be that close.
Reasons for pessimism:
1) Expats
2) Northern Ireland
3) Gibraltar
4) People bottling it on the day
5) Undecideds plumping for what they know
6) Unusually high youth turnout
7) Uncertainty whether previous working-class non-voters make it to the polls
8) The Remain reservoirs of inner London and Scotland, where they will score 60-80%
I am in suburban Bedfordshire and am puzzled by the caution of SeanT and others whose opinions I respect. My bell weather voters are going Leave and when I look at the indications from the Stokes and Nottinghamshire towns and villages I struggle to see how it will even be that close.
Reasons for pessimism:
1) Expats
2) Northern Ireland
3) Gibraltar
4) People bottling it on the day
5) Undecideds plumping for what they know
6) Unusually high youth turnout
7) Uncertainty whether previous working-class non-voters make it to the polls
8) The Remain reservoirs of inner London and Scotland, where they will score 60-80%
Apart from that, everything's fine
Of those 4-5 and 7 look the most critical. If Leave continue to get leads like they have in recent days, I think they will be safe.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Como or Dalmatia (not Italy but similar and much cheaper)
Interesting. Thank you Charles. We have been looking at Dalmatia.
I keep on trying to reply to your post, despite dealing with my ordeal here. Sardinia is perfect, stunning, beautiful...we go to Chia very year. The wine, the scenery, the people, the food, the light, the colours.....But not August....not because it is too hot, it is just too busy.
The beginning of October or mid May- the end or the start of the season. I'd give Italy a miss in August to be honest....it is just too full.
Thanks Tyson. Understood. Will take a look at Dalmatia.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Not Florida
Sardinia, Sicily etc likely to be too hot unless you're a huge sun fan.
Garda is lovely, but the Lake was freezing when I went in September. Perhaps somewhere on the Adriatic coast?
Thanks. I hear crowds are a major factor too, in Sicily, Sardinia, in August?
Italy virtually shuts down in August and everyone heads to the Beach. The main beach resorts are packed and very regimented. I dislike them intensely and I'm Italian. Costa Smerelda in Sardinia is truly magical but will be very expensive. Lake Trasimento is lovely , but a little quiet for an extended stay perhaps. Can be combined with visiting some of Tuscany's highlights though. Personally I wouldn't goto Italy for a beach holiday , Croatia much cheaper same coastline.
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Now, he's just a sad old sack.
In Organising Live/Band Aid he demonstrably did more good than most if not all of us will do in our lifetime. It was the original lets not forget. So I'll give him a pass.
I've always been led to believe that the bulk of the drive behind Band Aid and Live Aid came from Midge Ure and that Geldof pushed himself into the forefront despite being the minor partner in the project.
As far as I am aware Ure has never played up his involvement in Band Aid and never profited from it or used it to self-publicise. The same can most definitely not be said about Geldof.
Anecdote alert. My friend the Vet and my neighbour the (Easy Jet!) Pilot and his Labour voting wife said they were for Leave. Vet voted by post and thinks were out by some margin. ABs for Leave!
I have family in Hampshire, actively involved in Conservative local government. Like me, core vote old school Tories (ex in my case). If their feelings about Cameron and Osborne (communicated today) are in any way representative of the party, then Dave and Gideon are dead men walking.
Sounds positive.
My anecdote alert for the day: retired public sector management level Uncle and his retired social worker partner for Leave. I was really quite shocked - Uncle is a Tory, his partner a firm Labourite.
Anecdotes from Hants 1. Have just finished delivering 240 leaflets for LEAVE tonight and also handed over 350 to a new delivery volunteer that attended a weekend stall. No sign of REMAIN leaflets in a solid LD area. 2. Relative in 80s lifelong Labour voted LEAVE - without prompting. 3. Trades people grabbing leaflets out of hands and saying thanks. C1s and C2s are going LEAVE. 4. In one last bastion of the Lib Dems they are only delivering "thank you for voting us in at the local election" leaflets.... wtf - dont they know there is a referendum on! These LD cllrs are there for the £10k + expenses pa (some are on £20k) so no reason to upset LEAVE voters. 5. Only correx boards for LEAVE are up in areas that only have LD councillors....
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Not Florida
Sardinia, Sicily etc likely to be too hot unless you're a huge sun fan.
Garda is lovely, but the Lake was freezing when I went in September. Perhaps somewhere on the Adriatic coast?
Thanks. I hear crowds are a major factor too, in Sicily, Sardinia, in August?
Try to avoid the Ferragosto weekend around 15th August when absolutely all Italians are on holiday - although a lot people stretch this to the whole month. Maybe inland is less oversubscribed than the seaside, but I don't have particular recommendations including swimming.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
Are we in a position to tell member states what their positions will be on Brexit and what they'll want in exchange for voting in favour of any deal that is done? I could easily see some member states saying we will not agree a deal unless such and such happens. And that such and such could well include future funding issues.
I know that patent-related agreements have been secured on the basis of concessions being granted around agricultural subsidies in the past.
Hmm, well Osborne is toast if they lose the referendum anyway might as well nail the resultant chaos firmly on the Brexiters. It might even help turn around the polls.
As long as they insist they will refuse to cut spending and raise taxes in the event of Brexit, then the markets will react accordingly with each poll that gives the Brexiters a lead. If there is a clear lead in the last few days before the vote the pound and the markets could be in free fall , with bank after bank announcing relocation plans and potential job cuts. Lots of headlines on the loss of tax revenue etc.
If the markets do slip and they will be asked what they will do to steady them. They either say cuts and tax rises (oops maybe osborne might be right) or the say no way and the markets plunge with each statement from the Brexit camp. At the moment no one really believes the British will do it, but if it seems likely then could then market chaos could drive remain ahead. Brexit really need to present an alternative government platform. After the heart of the current government . Osborne and Cameron will be driven from Government, considering the sentiments expressed by the Brexiters they'll be lucky not to have their heads on pikes.
So any idea they'll form a transitional government or manage Brexit for their opponents so they can manage a smooth succession is for the birds. After all they have been convinced they can do better than Cameron for years now, I'm sure they have it all sorted out.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Not Florida
Sardinia, Sicily etc likely to be too hot unless you're a huge sun fan.
Garda is lovely, but the Lake was freezing when I went in September. Perhaps somewhere on the Adriatic coast?
Thanks. I hear crowds are a major factor too, in Sicily, Sardinia, in August?
Italy virtually shuts down in August and everyone heads to the Beach. The main beach resorts are packed and very regimented. I dislike them intensely and I'm Italian. Costa Smerelda in Sardinia is truly magical but will be very expensive. Lake Trasimento is lovely , but a little quiet for an extended stay perhaps. Can be combined with visiting some of Tuscany's highlights though. Personally I wouldn't goto Italy for a beach holiday , Croatia much cheaper same coastline.
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Now, he's just a sad old sack.
In Organising Live/Band Aid he demonstrably did more good than most if not all of us will do in our lifetime. It was the original lets not forget. So I'll give him a pass.
I've always been led to believe that the bulk of the drive behind Band Aid and Live Aid came from Midge Ure and that Geldof pushed himself into the forefront despite being the minor partner in the project.
As far as I am aware Ure has never played up his involvement in Band Aid and never profited from it or used it to self-publicise. The same can most definitely not be said about Geldof.
The right like nothing more than to tear down and destroy those who deviate from the true path of righteousness, no?
I must congratulate bob geldof on contributing to the leave campaign today. That moment perfectly encapsulated just how out of touch our ruling class is with the ordinary people of Britain.
It's quite something for a legend of the punk revolution, general agitator and Irishman to boot to be classed as a ruler. But hey, whatever fits your meme.
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Now, he's just a sad old sack.
In Organising Live/Band Aid he demonstrably did more good than most if not all of us will do in our lifetime. It was the original lets not forget. So I'll give him a pass.
Agreed. I regret Sir Bob's later oddities, but he was a good egg in his time. And he did lose a daughter, horribly.
Let us be charitable.
Anecdotal but was discussing in work today (housekeeping so working class). Lady said her 85-year old mother who doesn't leave the house much has organised her transport to the polling booth as she's absolutely determined to vote in this. Her, the brother and the mother are all strong Leavers.
I am in suburban Bedfordshire and am puzzled by the caution of SeanT and others whose opinions I respect. My bell weather voters are going Leave and when I look at the indications from the Stokes and Nottinghamshire towns and villages I struggle to see how it will even be that close.
Reasons for pessimism:
1) Expats
2) Northern Ireland
3) Gibraltar
4) People bottling it on the day
5) Undecideds plumping for what they know
6) Unusually high youth turnout
7) Uncertainty whether previous working-class non-voters make it to the polls
8) The Remain reservoirs of inner London and Scotland, where they will score 60-80%
Apart from that, everything's fine
The Leave leads are more likely to firm up soft Remainers and increase Remain turnout.
If that starts to happen significantly the polls will start to converge without the Leave vote changing at all.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Wriggling again Dr Fox. It does not affect the negotiations and the decision on those is taken by QMV. And if we have not reached a settlement after 2 years via the Article 50 process then we leave anyway and subsequent negotiations are again decided under QMV.
Any new budget, (or treaty) can be vetoed by any member, though as I pointed out the EU tends only to put it to the vote when a strong consensus has been agreed in advance.
Only a few EU countries are major net exporters to the UK. The others may not prioritise a deal that they see as benefiting Germany more than themselves.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Wriggling again Dr Fox. It does not affect the negotiations and the decision on those is taken by QMV. And if we have not reached a settlement after 2 years via the Article 50 process then we leave anyway and subsequent negotiations are again decided under QMV.
Any new budget, (or treaty) can be vetoed by any member, though as I pointed out the EU tends only to put it to the vote when a strong consensus has been agreed in advance.
Only a few EU countries are major net exporters to the UK. The others may not prioritise a deal that they see as benefiting Germany more than themselves.
All but three are net exporters to the UK. The three being Ireland, Malta and Luxembourg. Ireland would never veto a deal as they need it too and want to keep the common travel area. Malta won't veto it, we have good relations with them. That leaves only Luxembourg and if you think Luxembourg would veto a deal that the other 26 nations have agreed to and that BMW (or should I say Germany) wants then you've not been paying attention.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
Extension does indeed require unanimity. But the actual agreement is by QMV not by unanimity. The budget is not an issue as that would be decided by the remaining states after we had left and does not play a part in the agreement between the UK and EU.
The UK leaving requires a new budgetary settlement, with the richer countries paying more, the poorer countries getting less or a combination of both. This would be a big part of any internal EU discussion and would impact upon negotiations with the UK, particularly if financial contributions were required from the UK for single market access.
Wriggling again Dr Fox. It does not affect the negotiations and the decision on those is taken by QMV. And if we have not reached a settlement after 2 years via the Article 50 process then we leave anyway and subsequent negotiations are again decided under QMV.
Any new budget, (or treaty) can be vetoed by any member, though as I pointed out the EU tends only to put it to the vote when a strong consensus has been agreed in advance.
Only a few EU countries are major net exporters to the UK. The others may not prioritise a deal that they see as benefiting Germany more than themselves.
Neither the Article 50 agreement nor any trade deal can be vetoed. Both are decided by QMV .
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It also appeals to me to put it up as a Remain poster in the window.
They'll be lucky if I wipe my shoes with it.
Those worked for me.
But I accept no responsibility if it makes things worse
Good luck.
Any new budget can be rejected by any new member state, and extending the article 50 deadline requires unanimity.
However, the EU is a consensual organisation so I think any new deal would not go to a vote unless the support was thought to be unanimous.
BTW- I have restricted myself to only one bowl of rice crispies, my goto favourite night time munchie, since your rat warning.
https://twitter.com/adbritton/status/743166449351598082
And yes he's always been a bit of a knob.
Yes....I have them. I have moistened floor wipes. Thank you.
Rolled up and being chewed by the dog.
I have family in Hampshire, actively involved in Conservative local government. Like me, core vote old school Tories (ex in my case). If their feelings about Cameron and Osborne (communicated today) are in any way representative of the party, then Dave and Gideon are dead men walking.
Question for @Tyson and @SeanT and other Italy experts. If I go in August (I have to, having school age children) and need a beach/lake/swimming, where should I go?
I know little about Italy, but when I have been, I have enjoyed it very much (except the driving).
Oh no, sorry, what am I saying?
I've been tweaking some numbers in my model, and can announce that today's MORTAR (Mortimer's Original Regional Tally Assumptions Recorder), which incorporates some swingback to Remain for those scared of Osborne, points to the following result:
50/50 - with MOE tipping it to Leave by just over one hundred thousand votes nationally.
With the following party vote splits input:
Party, R/L
CON 0.48 0.52
LAB 0.6 0.4
LIB DEM 0.67 0.33
APNI 0.95 0.05
BNP 0.5 0.5
DUP 0.2 0.7
GREEN 0.95 0.5
INDPT 0.5 0.5
PC 0.75 0.25
SF 0.95 0.05
SDLP
SNP 0.65 0.35
UUP 0.6 0.4
UKIP 0.05 0.95
Close it may on the headline numbers, but that breakdown put into MORTAR produce 402 LEAVE constituencies to 248 REMAIN
Woah.
I have more important things to worry about now......
Garda is lovely, but the Lake was freezing when I went in September. Perhaps somewhere on the Adriatic coast?
My anecdote alert for the day: retired public sector management level Uncle and his retired social worker partner for Leave. I was really quite shocked - Uncle is a Tory, his partner a firm Labourite.
I want to be optimistic, but I still think Remain will take it.
I'm a simple soul and usually just own up in such cases.
Some lovely hill towns nearby such as Orvieto
Are the shops still open?
How quickly can they deliver a new sofa?
Tyson - when you're recovered, could you recommend a decent Chianti. I've had some very mediocre examples in the UK...
Clear spoof. As if we would end up with these comedians on QT – and Eddie Izzard.
Scrapping the CAP and letting Africa trade with us on the same terms as Europe can will do more good than Band Aid ever could.
NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
The beginning of October or mid May- the end or the start of the season. I'd give Italy a miss in August to be honest....it is just too full.
Sean enumerated the reasons earlier. With few exceptions, the great and good have commanded the electorate to vote Remain. They've been threatened economically, bludgeoned as racists by the bien pensant metropolitan luvvies (#dontfuckourfuture) and warned of the subsequent holocaust if they disobey. How can Brexit win?
1) Expats
2) Northern Ireland
3) Gibraltar
4) People bottling it on the day
5) Undecideds plumping for what they know
6) Unusually high youth turnout
7) Uncertainty whether previous working-class non-voters make it to the polls
8) The Remain reservoirs of inner London and Scotland, where they will score 60-80%
Apart from that, everything's fine
Costa Smerelda in Sardinia is truly magical but will be very expensive.
Lake Trasimento is lovely , but a little quiet for an extended stay perhaps. Can be combined with visiting some of Tuscany's highlights though.
Personally I wouldn't goto Italy for a beach holiday , Croatia much cheaper same coastline.
As far as I am aware Ure has never played up his involvement in Band Aid and never profited from it or used it to self-publicise. The same can most definitely not be said about Geldof.
1. Have just finished delivering 240 leaflets for LEAVE tonight and also handed over 350 to a new delivery volunteer that attended a weekend stall. No sign of REMAIN leaflets in a solid LD area.
2. Relative in 80s lifelong Labour voted LEAVE - without prompting.
3. Trades people grabbing leaflets out of hands and saying thanks. C1s and C2s are going LEAVE.
4. In one last bastion of the Lib Dems they are only delivering "thank you for voting us in at the local election" leaflets.... wtf - dont they know there is a referendum on! These LD cllrs are there for the £10k + expenses pa (some are on £20k) so no reason to upset LEAVE voters.
5. Only correx boards for LEAVE are up in areas that only have LD councillors....
I know that patent-related agreements have been secured on the basis of concessions being granted around agricultural subsidies in the past.
As long as they insist they will refuse to cut spending and raise taxes in the event of Brexit, then the markets will react accordingly with each poll that gives the Brexiters a lead. If there is a clear lead in the last few days before the vote the pound and the markets could be in free fall , with bank after bank announcing relocation plans and potential job cuts. Lots of headlines on the loss of tax revenue etc.
If the markets do slip and they will be asked what they will do to steady them. They either say cuts and tax rises (oops maybe osborne might be right) or the say no way and the markets plunge with each statement from the Brexit camp. At the moment no one really believes the British will do it, but if it seems likely then could then market chaos could drive remain ahead. Brexit really need to present an alternative government platform. After the heart of the current government . Osborne and Cameron will be driven from Government, considering the sentiments expressed by the Brexiters they'll be lucky not to have their heads on pikes.
So any idea they'll form a transitional government or manage Brexit for their opponents so they can manage a smooth succession is for the birds. After all they have been convinced they can do better than Cameron for years now, I'm sure they have it all sorted out.
If that starts to happen significantly the polls will start to converge without the Leave vote changing at all.
Only a few EU countries are major net exporters to the UK. The others may not prioritise a deal that they see as benefiting Germany more than themselves.