I'm actually starting to see Gove as a potential PM here
A bit long in the tooth now, but working out who he'd like to see as next PM is I think the way to go. I think he's the most important figure in the Tory party - Leave or Remain.
Well, speaking as a floating voter in the referendum... I think Gove is coming across terribly.
Just as belligerent as Cameron last night, and he's coming close to some of the more frothing criticisms of some of the more unhinged Eurosceptics (the EU might well be incompetent and chronically inefficient, but nobody believes it's an intentionally evil "job-killing machine").
The high youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, etc. say different.
Also, I remember the unemployment generated by the ERM in this country.
The unemployment in Spain and Greece is caused by the farcical incompetence of the Eurocrats, and the fundamental flaws in trying to cram all sorts of different types of economy into one currency -- they are not intentionally trying to make people's lives misery.
They might not have started that way Danny but they are doing it now.
They are so determined to push integration that they will impose pension cuts, wage cuts, higher taxes and labour market reform.
How many more years are they going to push the Greeks?
Well the Greeks had their fun - now they have to pay for it. Pleasure Island and all.
Gove at his most convincing on immigration. That will of course delight and distress voters depending on their persuasion. There's no doubt, it will be immigration wot wins it.
In discussions in my office, no one thinks 330K is an acceptable number for immigration.
Well, speaking as a floating voter in the referendum... I think Gove is coming across terribly.
Just as belligerent as Cameron last night, and he's coming close to some of the more frothing criticisms of some of the more unhinged Eurosceptics (the EU might well be incompetent and chronically inefficient, but nobody believes it's an intentionally evil "job-killing machine").
The high youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, etc. say different.
Also, I remember the unemployment generated by the ERM in this country.
The unemployment in Spain and Greece is caused by the farcical incompetence of the Eurocrats, and the fundamental flaws in trying to cram all sorts of different types of economy into one currency -- they are not intentionally trying to make people's lives misery.
Thanks. I'll be sure to tell the young Greek family next door and the young Spaniards at my work that they weren't intentionally forced to emigrate. I'm sure that will be a great consolation to them.
Well, speaking as a floating voter in the referendum... I think Gove is coming across terribly.
Just as belligerent as Cameron last night, and he's coming close to some of the more frothing criticisms of some of the more unhinged Eurosceptics (the EU might well be incompetent and chronically inefficient, but nobody believes it's an intentionally evil "job-killing machine").
The high youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, etc. say different.
Also, I remember the unemployment generated by the ERM in this country.
The unemployment in Spain and Greece is caused by the farcical incompetence of the Eurocrats, and the fundamental flaws in trying to cram all sorts of different types of economy into one currency -- they are not intentionally trying to make people's lives misery.
Looking at a graph of Spain's unemployment figures over the last 30 years or so, there appears to be no correlation whatsoever with Spain's adoption of the euro. If anything, the average unemployment level since Spain adopted the euro in 1999 looks lower than it was over the same time interval before that.
Gove at his most convincing on immigration. That will of course delight and distress voters depending on their persuasion. There's no doubt, it will be immigration wot wins it.
In discussions in my office, no one thinks 330K is an acceptable number for immigration.
Now, now, Ben.
You Leavers have already been rebuked for using gross figures.
You may as well use the GROSS figure for immigration rather than the NET, as you just have.
Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!
Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!
Oi, who is this wise man, and what have you done with the real Stark Downing?! ;-)
Gove at his most convincing on immigration. That will of course delight and distress voters depending on their persuasion. There's no doubt, it will be immigration wot wins it.
In discussions in my office, no one thinks 330K is an acceptable number for immigration.
Now, now, Ben.
You Leavers have already been rebuked for using gross figures.
You may as well use the GROSS figure for immigration rather than the NET, as you just have.
Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....
Price worth paying then...
The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.
Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
During the 1st world war over 200 generals were killed - epic fail.
"Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."
It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!
The Q+A session has been excellent. The theme of take control hit again and again on every topic.
I haven't agreed with a lot of what he's said. But our politics would be richer, deeper and better if it was a bit more like Michael Gove.
Whether you agree with his approach and method or not, Islam asked some searing questions and Gove had no answer to any of them. Gove has decided to support Leave and good for him. But his support in now way substantiates the Leave campaign.
"Optimistic and hopeful about our future" must sound real good to say. But there is precious little substance about what would happen were we to leave the EU.
Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....
Price worth paying then...
The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.
Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
During the 1st world war over 200 generals were killed - epic fail.
"Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."
It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
Don't cite facts to Scott, he's too interesting in sneering.
Talking of Twitter. Our Stella doesn't seem very impressed by Gove stellacreasy @stellacreasy No idea why Gove thinks he can confirm now what other countries will do re UK residents if we leave- will be upto them not him! #inOrOut
Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....
Price worth paying then...
The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.
Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
During the 1st world war over 200 generals were killed - epic fail.
"Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."
It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
Don't cite facts to Scott, he's too interesting in sneering.
We have a duty to educate and inform the ignorant. They may be no wiser but they may know more.
I don't think anything fundamentally changed here. Leave is more emotive but has a weak spot on economics. But Gove gave the Leave argument a sense of calm, control and passion. More of this in future debates and it may persuade some waverers.
In short - Q and A really good, interview was too shouty.
Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!
The Q+A session has been excellent. The theme of take control hit again and again on every topic.
I'd say Cameron did better on the interrogation but Gove much better on the Q&A
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Interesting..
Good questions from the audience I prefer this format.
Putting all the EU arguments to one side - Gove comes across as highly authoritative, knowledgeable, competent, clear and direct.
Surely, at a minimum, he is a credible candidate.
(Note: I disagree with the accepted "lions led by donkeys" narrative.)
Waving men over the top with no idea of the horrors they face.
Or did twitter not tell you that yet...
Look at the TV screen; they are listening to what he has to say.
Different to Cameron yesterday, IMHO.
Most of the generals had to work hard to figure out from scratch how to fight that war and despite some serious mistakes innovated throughout the war.
Who would the public trust to run the country?
Johnson or Gove?
Much, much better than Dave would ever have done.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_institutions_of_the_European_Union
You Leavers have already been rebuked for using gross figures.
You may as well use the GROSS figure for immigration rather than the NET, as you just have.
"The real power rests with the people, it rests with all of you" says Gove on EUref #InOrOut http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu-referendum-debate-live-michael-8110857 …
The Daily Mirror.
It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.
Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
Head: Details of how it actually works? In.
It's refreshing to see a politician do his job well. Gove did just that.
I will engage with you in future on that basis.
The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.
Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
No wonder Gove slapped him back over that one
People will look at him afresh - he could easily be a successful PM and go on to win a GE as PM.
"Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."
It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
Breathtaking
So, back to Monty Hall...
Sad that that seems to matter.
"Optimistic and hopeful about our future" must sound real good to say. But there is precious little substance about what would happen were we to leave the EU.
So he seriously wants it then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSjLHsiP9mo
Gove just put Leave ahead.
stellacreasy
@stellacreasy
No idea why Gove thinks he can confirm now what other countries will do re UK residents if we leave- will be upto them not him! #inOrOut
Gove inspires us all to better things.
Vote Leave. Take control.
Montie
This may surprise @faisalislam but people tuned in to hear Michael Gove, not him #InOrOut
In short - Q and A really good, interview was too shouty.
Islam session: Cameron 7/10; Gove 5/10
Q&A: Cameron 5/10; Gove 8/10
The stronger the denial, the more they are thinking about it.