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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,978
    Omnium said:

    Faisal Islam ruining his career.
    Gove making his.

    Don't make me laugh
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    Gove: more on our economic plan next week

    Interesting..
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016
    oh damn Gove is actually performing well PM in waiting.

    Good questions from the audience I prefer this format.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,981

    I'm actually starting to see Gove as a potential PM here

    A bit long in the tooth now, but working out who he'd like to see as next PM is I think the way to go. I think he's the most important figure in the Tory party - Leave or Remain.

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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    chestnut said:

    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Well, speaking as a floating voter in the referendum... I think Gove is coming across terribly.

    Just as belligerent as Cameron last night, and he's coming close to some of the more frothing criticisms of some of the more unhinged Eurosceptics (the EU might well be incompetent and chronically inefficient, but nobody believes it's an intentionally evil "job-killing machine").

    The high youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, etc. say different.

    Also, I remember the unemployment generated by the ERM in this country.
    The unemployment in Spain and Greece is caused by the farcical incompetence of the Eurocrats, and the fundamental flaws in trying to cram all sorts of different types of economy into one currency -- they are not intentionally trying to make people's lives misery.
    They might not have started that way Danny but they are doing it now.

    They are so determined to push integration that they will impose pension cuts, wage cuts, higher taxes and labour market reform.

    How many more years are they going to push the Greeks?
    Well the Greeks had their fun - now they have to pay for it. Pleasure Island and all.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    TOPPING said:

    Gove at his most convincing on immigration. That will of course delight and distress voters depending on their persuasion. There's no doubt, it will be immigration wot wins it.

    In discussions in my office, no one thinks 330K is an acceptable number for immigration.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,097

    I'm actually starting to see Gove as a potential PM here

    He combines the charisma of Milliband with the humility of Cameron.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    edited June 2016

    I'm actually starting to see Gove as a potential PM here

    Yes, I would agree with that.

    Putting all the EU arguments to one side - Gove comes across as highly authoritative, knowledgeable, competent, clear and direct.

    Surely, at a minimum, he is a credible candidate.
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    GeoffM said:

    Bairstow isn't happy. Can't work out why he's out.
    Yorks 69-3 and it's 136 to win off 73

    I cant work out why he is out either
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Gove's ratings are going to go through the roof after this is reported in the press.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,928
    Excellent Lions led by Donkeys analogy.

    (Note: I disagree with the accepted "lions led by donkeys" narrative.)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Leave like First World War Generals.

    Waving men over the top with no idea of the horrors they face.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    Too wee, too poor, too stupid :D
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,928
    SeanT said:

    Gove almost prime ministerial there.

    Too much slap to be PM.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Scott_P said:

    Leave like First World War Generals.

    Waving men over the top with no idea of the horrors they face.

    You know who won the First World War, right?

    Or did twitter not tell you that yet...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    Jonathan said:

    I'm actually starting to see Gove as a potential PM here

    He combines the charisma of Milliband with the humility of Cameron.
    But he's never going to get your vote
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    Scott_P said:

    Leave like First World War Generals.

    Waving men over the top with no idea of the horrors they face.

    I don't think the world war analogies help.....
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,523
    I can think of four European presidents - who/what is the fifth?
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    Gove: more on our economic plan next week

    Interesting..

    Remember all the mocking here a few weeks ago about Leave being all over the place while remain were professionally playing to their grid?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Damn. Ballance gone for 8.
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    VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412
    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Well, speaking as a floating voter in the referendum... I think Gove is coming across terribly.

    Just as belligerent as Cameron last night, and he's coming close to some of the more frothing criticisms of some of the more unhinged Eurosceptics (the EU might well be incompetent and chronically inefficient, but nobody believes it's an intentionally evil "job-killing machine").

    The high youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, etc. say different.

    Also, I remember the unemployment generated by the ERM in this country.
    The unemployment in Spain and Greece is caused by the farcical incompetence of the Eurocrats, and the fundamental flaws in trying to cram all sorts of different types of economy into one currency -- they are not intentionally trying to make people's lives misery.
    Thanks. I'll be sure to tell the young Greek family next door and the young Spaniards at my work that they weren't intentionally forced to emigrate. I'm sure that will be a great consolation to them.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Mortimer said:

    You know who won the First World War, right?

    How many died?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,097

    Jonathan said:

    I'm actually starting to see Gove as a potential PM here

    He combines the charisma of Milliband with the humility of Cameron.
    But he's never going to get your vote
    Yeah, like most people.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    The interesting thing here is that Gove has the attention of the audience.

    Look at the TV screen; they are listening to what he has to say.

    Different to Cameron yesterday, IMHO.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    TOPPING said:

    Excellent Lions led by Donkeys analogy.

    (Note: I disagree with the accepted "lions led by donkeys" narrative.)

    So do I.

    Most of the generals had to work hard to figure out from scratch how to fight that war and despite some serious mistakes innovated throughout the war.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    Suppose Leave wins.

    Who would the public trust to run the country?

    Johnson or Gove?
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    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Well, speaking as a floating voter in the referendum... I think Gove is coming across terribly.

    Just as belligerent as Cameron last night, and he's coming close to some of the more frothing criticisms of some of the more unhinged Eurosceptics (the EU might well be incompetent and chronically inefficient, but nobody believes it's an intentionally evil "job-killing machine").

    The high youth unemployment rates in Spain, Greece, etc. say different.

    Also, I remember the unemployment generated by the ERM in this country.
    The unemployment in Spain and Greece is caused by the farcical incompetence of the Eurocrats, and the fundamental flaws in trying to cram all sorts of different types of economy into one currency -- they are not intentionally trying to make people's lives misery.
    Looking at a graph of Spain's unemployment figures over the last 30 years or so, there appears to be no correlation whatsoever with Spain's adoption of the euro. If anything, the average unemployment level since Spain adopted the euro in 1999 looks lower than it was over the same time interval before that.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,523
    Ooooh - election fraud question!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    tlg86 said:

    Ooooh - election fraud question!

    the referendum will be illegal.... are remainers that desperate? :D
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    tlg86 said:

    I can think of four European presidents - who/what is the fifth?

    I think there's 7. I hear there is a breeding program.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    That was an absolutely bloody Prime Ministerial answer.

    Much, much better than Dave would ever have done.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,227
    tlg86 said:

    I can think of four European presidents - who/what is the fifth?

    Jeroen Dijsselbloem, President of the Eurogroup?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,523
    Clearly Gove didn't give Islam permission to call him Lord High Chancellor - incredibly disrespectful from him.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    weejonnie said:

    Pong said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    Faisal really is awful. You want to thump him.

    Are you serious?

    You want to thump Faisal Islam?
    Conservative MEP wanted people to 'get' Nigel Farrage - seems a fair exchange.
    I expect a judge would disagree.
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    MikeL said:

    Suppose Leave wins.

    Who would the public trust to run the country?

    Johnson or Gove?

    Gove - thats why he will be Johnsons Chancellor of the Exchequer
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    Gove: more on our economic plan next week

    Interesting..

    I wonder how they're planning to spend the imaginary £350 million per week?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    tlg86 said:

    I can think of four European presidents - who/what is the fifth?

    I think there's 7. I hear there is a breeding program.
    Like rabbits. Yes, seven.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_institutions_of_the_European_Union
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    TOPPING said:

    Excellent Lions led by Donkeys analogy.

    (Note: I disagree with the accepted "lions led by donkeys" narrative.)

    So do I.

    Most of the generals had to work hard to figure out from scratch how to fight that war and despite some serious mistakes innovated throughout the war.
    May be OTT - but http://www.nam.ac.uk/exhibitions/online-exhibitions/britains-greatest-general/douglas-haig
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,058
    RobD said:

    tlg86 said:

    Ooooh - election fraud question!

    the referendum will be illegal.... are remainers that desperate? :D
    Daft question
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    tlg86 said:

    Ooooh - election fraud question!

    That Q makes no sense - Labour supported having the EU Referendum in the vote in the Commons - it passed by a massive majority.
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    VapidBilgeVapidBilge Posts: 412
    edited June 2016

    TOPPING said:

    Gove at his most convincing on immigration. That will of course delight and distress voters depending on their persuasion. There's no doubt, it will be immigration wot wins it.

    In discussions in my office, no one thinks 330K is an acceptable number for immigration.
    Now, now, Ben.

    You Leavers have already been rebuked for using gross figures.

    You may as well use the GROSS figure for immigration rather than the NET, as you just have.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,419
    Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Mirror PoliticsVerified account ‏@MirrorPolitics 2m2 minutes ago
    "The real power rests with the people, it rests with all of you" says Gove on EUref #InOrOut http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eu-referendum-debate-live-michael-8110857

    The Daily Mirror.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    Gove almost charming there with the home in France lady
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Gove quoting Alex Salmond. Again.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,928
    Gove doing well here.

    It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.

    Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
    Head: Details of how it actually works? In.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Scott_P said:

    Mortimer said:

    You know who won the First World War, right?

    How many died?
    Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,981
    Actually SeanT summed it up I think with his 'Bravo!'

    It's refreshing to see a politician do his job well. Gove did just that.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Lots more questions than last night. No heckling either.
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,004
    Hated Gove as education secretary. But he's been very good tonight.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303

    Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!

    Oi, who is this wise man, and what have you done with the real Stark Downing?! ;-)
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,523
    I'd be tempted to chuck in a Falklands War reference here - safer in the EU? Bollox.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303

    Gove: more on our economic plan next week

    Interesting..

    I wonder how they're planning to spend the imaginary £350 million per week?
    You have been added to my 'prat' list.

    I will engage with you in future on that basis.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    SeanT said:

    I'm afraid to say I can indeed see this speccy, tiny, geekomatic twat as my prime minister, and being quite surprisingly good at it.

    Me too. I'm starting to really LIKE him.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    weejonnie said:

    Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....

    Price worth paying then...

    The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.

    Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    What Gove is doing tremendously is that he is sounding in this Q&A like the voice of reason.
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    TOPPING said:

    Gove at his most convincing on immigration. That will of course delight and distress voters depending on their persuasion. There's no doubt, it will be immigration wot wins it.

    In discussions in my office, no one thinks 330K is an acceptable number for immigration.
    Now, now, Ben.

    You Leavers have already been rebuked for using gross figures.

    You may as well use the GROSS figure for immigration rather than the NET, as you just have.
    Not gross figures. Wrong figures.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I still can't get over Faisal being so sneery about people being worse off and dismissing Gove's family experience.

    No wonder Gove slapped him back over that one
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Scott_P said:

    Mortimer said:

    You know who won the First World War, right?

    How many died?
    Urm, fewer than would have done if we had lost the war without our generals?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,416
    If Gove becomes PM, everything he did as Education Secretary will be forgotten.

    People will look at him afresh - he could easily be a successful PM and go on to win a GE as PM.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,523
    PlatoSaid said:

    I still can't get over Faisal being so sneery about people being worse off and dismissing Gove's family experience.

    No wonder Gove slapped him back over that one

    Dave could have played the dead child card last night - no way would Islam have said "lots of people have lost children".
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Amazing how the EU hating fanatical loons on here are lapping up every word Gove is saying as if they were the word of God .
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited June 2016
    Scott_P said:

    weejonnie said:

    Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....

    Price worth paying then...

    The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.

    Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
    During the 1st world war over 200 generals were killed - epic fail.

    "Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."

    It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Mortimer said:

    Urm, fewer than would have done if we had lost the war without our generals?

    Price worth paying...

    Breathtaking
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    What would have happened if the broken bit of Roots bat had hit the wicket?
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,419
    So I think everyone's agreed: Leave or Remain Gove will be our next PM. But what about Boris?Who's going to tell him he's no longer needed?
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    tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,554
    I haven't agreed with a lot of what he's said. But our politics would be richer, deeper and better if it was a bit more like Michael Gove.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,080

    Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!

    The Q+A session has been excellent. The theme of take control hit again and again on every topic.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Scott_P said:

    Mortimer said:

    Urm, fewer than would have done if we had lost the war without our generals?

    Price worth paying...

    Breathtaking
    Come back when you want to talk about WW1. Until then, toddle off back to twitter.
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    TOPPING said:

    Gove doing well here.

    It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.

    Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
    Head: Details of how it actually works? In.

    Yes, that's been the essence of the campaign as a whole. Leave have been appealing to the emotions; Remain to reason.
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    Amazing how the EU hating fanatical loons on here are lapping up every word Gove is saying as if they were the word of God .

    Yeovil
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Amazing how the EU hating fanatical loons on here are lapping up every word Gove is saying as if they were the word of God .

    Someone's fixed the wifi at your nursing home?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    TOPPING said:

    Gove doing well here.

    It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.

    Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
    Head: Details of how it actually works? In.

    I know you disagree, Mr. Topping, but I think a lot of people actively *want* to Leave and are looking for reassurance that it's safe to do so.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Scott criticising arrogance is the hoot of the day for me...

    So, back to Monty Hall...
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,058
    Gove turns down future PM role
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    Scott_P said:

    weejonnie said:

    Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....

    Price worth paying then...

    The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.

    Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
    Actually in WW1 the casualty rate in the higher ranks (officer class as opposed to enlisted men) in the GB army was much higher.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    Gove humbly recognising he's not the right image for a PM there.

    Sad that that seems to matter.
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    TOPPING said:

    Gove doing well here.

    It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.

    Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
    Head: Details of how it actually works? In.

    Yes, that's been the essence of the campaign as a whole. Leave have been appealing to the emotions; Remain to reason.
    We are animals not comptuers. We take our most important decisions, like who to marry, by instinct not reason.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,928
    edited June 2016
    tpfkar said:

    I haven't agreed with a lot of what he's said. But our politics would be richer, deeper and better if it was a bit more like Michael Gove.

    Whether you agree with his approach and method or not, Islam asked some searing questions and Gove had no answer to any of them. Gove has decided to support Leave and good for him. But his support in now way substantiates the Leave campaign.

    "Optimistic and hopeful about our future" must sound real good to say. But there is precious little substance about what would happen were we to leave the EU.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016

    Gove turns down future PM role

    Didn't have a choice, will change his mind when we win, which I now believe.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    GeoffM said:

    Amazing how the EU hating fanatical loons on here are lapping up every word Gove is saying as if they were the word of God .

    Someone's fixed the wifi at your nursing home?
    A response that matches your intelligence
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,097
    Gove "Absolutely Not" a candidate for leader.

    So he seriously wants it then.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018

    What would have happened if the broken bit of Roots bat had hit the wicket?

    He would have been out.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,306
    Make Great Britain Great again :D
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 61,058

    Gove humbly recognising he's not the right image for a PM there.

    Sad that that seems to matter.

    I do not think he wants it to be fair
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    TOPPING said:

    Gove doing well here.

    It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.

    Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
    Head: Details of how it actually works? In.

    Yes, that's been the essence of the campaign as a whole. Leave have been appealing to the emotions; Remain to reason.
    You seem to have convinced yourself that emotions are not reasons.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303

    GeoffM said:

    Amazing how the EU hating fanatical loons on here are lapping up every word Gove is saying as if they were the word of God .

    Someone's fixed the wifi at your nursing home?
    A response that matches your intelligence
    And a response that matches the sense of humour of yours.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    RobD said:

    Make Great Britain Great again :D

    Have we finally secured you for Leave Rob?
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944
    weejonnie said:

    Scott_P said:

    weejonnie said:

    Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....

    Price worth paying then...

    The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.

    Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
    During the 1st world war over 200 generals were killed - epic fail.

    "Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."

    It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
    Don't cite facts to Scott, he's too interesting in sneering.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited June 2016
    RobD said:

    Make Great Britain Great again :D

    Even Greater Britain.

    Gove just put Leave ahead.
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    Talking of Twitter. Our Stella doesn't seem very impressed by Gove
    stellacreasy
    @stellacreasy
    No idea why Gove thinks he can confirm now what other countries will do re UK residents if we leave- will be upto them not him! #inOrOut
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,080
    Very short on details, very long on passion and vision. Game on.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018

    GeoffM said:

    Amazing how the EU hating fanatical loons on here are lapping up every word Gove is saying as if they were the word of God .

    Someone's fixed the wifi at your nursing home?
    A response that matches your intelligence
    And a response that matches the sense of humour of yours.
    Some brilliant zingers on show tonight,

    Gove inspires us all to better things.

    Vote Leave. Take control.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    weejonnie said:

    Scott_P said:

    weejonnie said:

    Fewer than in the second. (38M Vs 50M). Off course if you include the flu epidemic....

    Price worth paying then...

    The arrogance of the Leave campaign in full view.

    Millions died, but only the little people. The generals (Gove and BoJo) get medals...
    During the 1st world war over 200 generals were killed - epic fail.

    "Some 12% of the British army's ordinary soldiers were killed during the war, compared with 17% of its officers. Eton alone lost more than 1,000 former pupils - 20% of those who served. UK wartime Prime Minister Herbert Asquith lost a son, while future Prime Minister Andrew Bonar Law lost two. Anthony Eden lost two brothers, another brother of his was terribly wounded, and an uncle was captured."

    It might surprise you but Blackadder Goes Forth was not a 'fly on the wall' documentary.
    Don't cite facts to Scott, he's too interesting in sneering.
    We have a duty to educate and inform the ignorant. They may be no wiser but they may know more.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sums it up for me

    Montie
    This may surprise @faisalislam but people tuned in to hear Michael Gove, not him #InOrOut
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    JamesMJamesM Posts: 221
    edited June 2016
    I don't think anything fundamentally changed here. Leave is more emotive but has a weak spot on economics. But Gove gave the Leave argument a sense of calm, control and passion. More of this in future debates and it may persuade some waverers.

    In short - Q and A really good, interview was too shouty.
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    BenedictWhiteBenedictWhite Posts: 1,944

    TOPPING said:

    Gove doing well here.

    It is the quintessential head vs heart debate.

    Heart: Touchy, feely, freedom? Out.
    Head: Details of how it actually works? In.

    Yes, that's been the essence of the campaign as a whole. Leave have been appealing to the emotions; Remain to reason.
    Problem is I've looked at remains reason and it's ill founded.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 57,303
    DavidL said:

    Not watching it myself, but Gove is my favourite politician so I'm glad to hear he played a blinder. I just hope all those who jumped on Mike Smithson's anti-Gove bandwagon last year - some nonsense about him losing the Tories the election because teachers hate him - will apologize and beg forgiveness. The man is a political giant!

    The Q+A session has been excellent. The theme of take control hit again and again on every topic.
    I'd say Cameron did better on the interrogation but Gove much better on the Q&A

    Islam session: Cameron 7/10; Gove 5/10
    Q&A: Cameron 5/10; Gove 8/10
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,097
    Never trust a politician who says they don't want to be PM. They ALL want to be PM.

    The stronger the denial, the more they are thinking about it.
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