Huge vote in Scotland for tax cutting parties that oppose raising top rate to 50 pence. First time since 1955 that the Tories have won more votes than Labour there.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Ruth Davidson's next gig is for Remain. She is very astute.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Not sure why it is bizarre either?
I think Ruth is very well respected amongst the Tory membership and I can't see anyone holding that against her.
I think you're the first SNP supporter to join us today, what are your thoughts?
Some of us were at the electoral coalface, the glamour of which wears off pretty quickly.
Disappointing that the SNP looks like not getting a majority, though in a George Best 'where did it all go wrong' kinda way. Good that Andy Wightman got a list place, he'd be an asset to any parliament.
Longer term it looks like Unionism is coalescing around centre right Toryism, and Indy round centre left 'progressiveness' which clarifies things. That leaves an ever more restricted space for SLab to live in. I expect they'll do yet another reverse ferret on the policies that helped them lose their latest test and end up further confusing themselves and voters.
Fingers crossed for Coburn.
The SNP will need to start acting like a centre left party now, though, if that is to be the case.
SNP underperformed the polls. They now own the Labour lazy voters.
Serious anti-SNP tactical voting, haven't done the numbers but it looks like amazing voter efficiency for the notSNP and a serious collapse in the SNP vote efficiency from 2011.
Willie Rennie winning, blimey.
Both my constituency tips completely busted - apologies to anyone who followed me.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
SNP underperformed the polls. They now own the Labour lazy voters.
Serious anti-SNP tactical voting, haven't done the numbers but it looks like amazing voter efficiency for the notSNP and a serious collapse in the SNP vote efficiency from 2011.
Willie Rennie winning, blimey.
Both my constituency tips completely busted - apologies to anyone who followed me.
Some of us were at the electoral coalface, the glamour of which wears off pretty quickly.
Disappointing that the SNP looks like not getting a majority, though in a George Best 'where did it all go wrong' kinda way. Good that Andy Wightman got a list place, he'd be an asset to any parliament.
Longer term it looks like Unionism is coalescing around centre right Toryism, and Indy round centre left 'progressiveness' which clarifies things. That leaves an ever more restricted space for SLab to live in. I expect they'll do yet another reverse ferret on the policies that helped them lose their latest test and end up further confusing themselves and voters.
Fingers crossed for Coburn.
The SNP will need to start acting like a centre left party now, though, if that is to be the case.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Ruth Davidson's next gig is for Remain. She is very astute.
Nothing to do with being astute, she supports Remain, that's about belief not being astute.
What you're saying is if somebody agrees with you they're astute.
I'm saying I admire and respect somebody in a party I don't like - can you see the difference?
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
Some of us were at the electoral coalface, the glamour of which wears off pretty quickly.
Disappointing that the SNP looks like not getting a majority, though in a George Best 'where did it all go wrong' kinda way. Good that Andy Wightman got a list place, he'd be an asset to any parliament.
Longer term it looks like Unionism is coalescing around centre right Toryism, and Indy round centre left 'progressiveness' which clarifies things. That leaves an ever more restricted space for SLab to live in. I expect they'll do yet another reverse ferret on the policies that helped them lose their latest test and end up further confusing themselves and voters.
Fingers crossed for Coburn.
The SNP will need to start acting like a centre left party now, though, if that is to be the case.
SNP got 3 list seats in Highland last time...I think they didn't gain any constituencies there tonight. So they can confirm them They should confirm their NE seat too They got 4 in South of Scotland. Did they do any gains there?
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
I think he means it looked ridiculous you putting it into quotation marks. I doubt Wiki did.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Ruth Davidson's next gig is for Remain. She is very astute.
Nothing to do with being astute, she supports Remain, that's about belief not being astute.
What you're saying is if somebody agrees with you they're astute.
I'm saying I admire and respect somebody in a party I don't like - can you see the difference?
Just pointing out that such an astute person will be quite an asset to Remain.
I admire and respect Ruth too, though do not like her party. I am not sure that there is any difference to see.
Looks like there'll be plenty for the Stupid party's useful idiots to latch onto from the results. So Corbyn will remain in place to lead them to catastrophe in 2020.
It's looks to me like Sadiq Khan could well end up as leader of the sane wing of the labour party in the medium/long term.
40/1 to replace Corbyn....
Sadie Khan's big problem is that you have to be in Parliament to be Labour leader. Unless there's a coup immediately, he won't be.
Why make that assumption?
I know he has *said* he will step down as MP for Tooting, but I can easily see "I've consulted widely in the party and with my constituents...the overwhelming desire is that...rest assured....I will fight with every bone in my body, day and night...to stand up for the people of London and the residents of Tooting"
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Looks like there'll be plenty for the Stupid party's useful idiots to latch onto from the results. So Corbyn will remain in place to lead them to catastrophe in 2020.
It's looks to me like Sadiq Khan could well end up as leader of the sane wing of the labour party in the medium/long term.
40/1 to replace Corbyn....
Sadie Khan's big problem is that you have to be in Parliament to be Labour leader. Unless there's a coup immediately, he won't be.
Why make that assumption?
I know he has *said* he will step down as MP for Tooting, but I can easily see "I've consulted widely in the party and with my constituents...the overwhelming desire is that...rest assured....I will fight with every bone in my body, day and night...to stand up for the people of London and the residents of Tooting"
Yep, Boris finessed it. He said he wouldn't be mayor and an MP, but changed his mind.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Be dangerous territory for any UK-wide party to have a Scot as leader while the SNP are so strong as a Yes vote in a second referendum would defenestrate that leader.
Not necessarily.
The Finance minister of the Czech Republic, for example, is a Slovak.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
I think he means it looked ridiculous you putting it into quotation marks. I doubt Wiki did.
Nah, he saw my name and his instinct was to play the man.
You kids really are stupid, I praise a tory and you still have a pop.
Grow up the pair of you, you're like little boys with your yah boo nonsense
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
For starters it's listed in the "personal life" section of her wikipedia article, right at the bottom. Secondly, homosexuals haven't exactly had the easiest of times in the past, so people in influential positions being out about their sexuality can be very powerful indeed. In an ideal world, I would agree with you, sexuality shouldn't play any part in this what so ever, but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world (or, we can't make it ideal overnight by changing a few laws).
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
I think he means it looked ridiculous you putting it into quotation marks. I doubt Wiki did.
Nah, he saw my name and his instinct was to play the man.
You kids really are stupid, I praise a tory and you still have a pop.
Grow up the pair of you, you're like little boys with your yah boo nonsense
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
I think he means it looked ridiculous you putting it into quotation marks. I doubt Wiki did.
Nah, he saw my name and his instinct was to play the man.
You kids really are stupid, I praise a tory and you still have a pop.
Grow up the pair of you, you're like little boys with your yah boo nonsense
I'm not having a go at you so don't be so sensitive.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
In my experience the Shires are much more liberal about personal choices than you might expect! So long as she's discreet (to the same extent as a heterosexual would be expected to be) then no one cares.
SNP underperformed the polls. They now own the Labour lazy voters.
Serious anti-SNP tactical voting, haven't done the numbers but it looks like amazing voter efficiency for the notSNP and a serious collapse in the SNP vote efficiency from 2011.
Willie Rennie winning, blimey.
Both my constituency tips completely busted - apologies to anyone who followed me.
Red ink for you my friend !
It will be interesting to crunch the numbers on vote efficiency and how disproportionate the Glasgow effect is. Everywhere I looked initially I saw SNP vote share down, then I get to Glasgow and monstrous gains and wins.
The SNP values for the polling seems to have been badly overstated - I was expecting around 50 percent not around 45.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
I think he means it looked ridiculous you putting it into quotation marks. I doubt Wiki did.
Nah, he saw my name and his instinct was to play the man.
You kids really are stupid, I praise a tory and you still have a pop.
Grow up the pair of you, you're like little boys with your yah boo nonsense
I agree. You made a generous remark about Davidson and a reasonable point about wiki.
Enough already.
Wow! @SeanT tells someone to hold back on the snarky comments
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Gents..someones sexual preference is not even remotely important..get over it..
I'd agree generally.. but probably not for those from those communities. It's a hard balance to make, how do you show it isn't important, without making examples of successful people who are gay/lesbian?
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope sheactually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Yes, she might have been the first openly gay leader of a major party in ESW&NI. I can't think of another, offhand.
It's statistically interesting that Dugdale is gay, as well. That must make Scotland wholly unique in the world. 2 out of 3 major party leaders lesbian.
You think the SNP aren't to the left of the Cons, or to the left of 'something for nothing society' SLab in their previous iteration?
It's ironic that someone who spends much of his time bewailing the madness of Corbynite Labour suddenly comes over all faint over the SNP not being lefty & taxy enough. It must pain you that Scotland (and presumably you) voted for '40p Top Rate' New Labour for so long.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Ted Heath (probably)?
Martin Webster was the first openly gay leader of a political party, the National Front, from 1980-84.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope sheactually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Yes, she might have been the first openly gay leader of a major party in ESW&NI. I can't think of another, offhand.
It's statistically interesting that Dugdale is gay, as well. That must make Scotland wholly unique in the world. 2 out of 3 major party leaders lesbian.
And Coburn!
And Patrick Harvie.
It's quite hard to find a heterosexual Scottish party leader.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope sheactually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Just looked at her wiki page, very good, she's had proper jobs from an ordinary background.
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
Heh, why is "lesbian" in quotation marks? She most definitely is, walked in to the count proudly with her partner.
Because as I previously said, it is "bizarre" that it should even be mentioned.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
It just looked ridiculous, that's all.
Contact wiki then
The quotation marks you used looked ridiculous.
Haha! You young tory kids love trying play the man don't you, keep digging.
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Yes, she might have been the first openly gay leader of a major party in ESW&NI. I can't think of another, offhand.
It's statistically interesting that Dugdale is gay, as well. That must make Scotland wholly unique in the world. 2 out of 3 major party leaders lesbian.
And Coburn!
And Patrick Harvie.
It's quite hard to find a heterosexual Scottish party leader.
That there been any discussion of Andy Burnham's announcement. That's pretty interesting in terms of long term prospects, both for the status of the Mayoralty and for his view of Labour's near term potential for recovery
You think the SNP aren't to the left of the Cons, or to the left of 'something for nothing society' SLab in their previous iteration?
It's ironic that someone who spends much of his time bewailing the madness of Corbynite Labour suddenly comes over all faint over the SNP not being lefty & taxy enough. It must pain you that Scotland (and presumably you) voted for '40p Top Rate' New Labour for so long.
I judge the SNP on what they do, not what they say. They have spent years subsidising middle class voters at the expense of the poorest. They oppose redistributive taxation. They favour tax cuts. They are a demonstrably centre right party with centre left rhetoric.
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Ted Heath (probably)?
Martin Webster was the first openly gay leader of a political party, the National Front, from 1980-84.
Do you think it's the uniforms that first attached him?
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Ted Heath (probably)?
Martin Webster was the first openly gay leader of a political party, the National Front, from 1980-84.
One of my earliest memories of PB was off you listing the exotic sexual behaviour of the Far Right in the UK
Because it's interesting to some people, that's why it is important. Don't forget Wiki is global and globally a lesbian party leader is unusual enough to be mentioned.
Who is it interesting to?
Well you picked up on it for starters. For me, I can't think of any other gay or lesbian party leaders we've had before so its noteworthy on that basis alone as SeanT just wrote.
Ted Heath (probably)?
Such claims were only made by a gay rights lobby desperate to claim a major scalp and were never terribly convincing, like similar claims about Hugh Dalton.
On topic, another really bad night for opinion pollsters, underestimating Labour in Wales and overestimating the SNP in Scotland. If they are accurate in London perhaps it's their regional model that is broken? After all, they did OK in the Smoke last time, just were massively out everywhere that actually mattered.
Also, if Labour sneak to 28 in Wales they might just be able to hang on with Yellow support. Unless CJ does a backflip and goes in with UKIP (now that would be funny).
Delighted Andrews has lost, he's the second nastiest man in Welsh politics and was a hopeless minister. But overall an extremely unimpressive night for the Blues and Plaid.
Andrews' loss also weakens an already desperately thin Labour talent pool, which was barely bolstered by Huw Irranca-Davies returning. Whatever comes out of this will not be a good government. There may be value in bets on fresh elections within three years.
I mentioned identity politics the other day, it really is getting out of hand. Gays, Muslims, Jews, they are all people, not freaks that should be pandered to or afforded special treatment.
No party is immune from criticism, its just so childish.
You think the SNP aren't to the left of the Cons, or to the left of 'something for nothing society' SLab in their previous iteration?
It's ironic that someone who spends much of his time bewailing the madness of Corbynite Labour suddenly comes over all faint over the SNP not being lefty & taxy enough. It must pain you that Scotland (and presumably you) voted for '40p Top Rate' New Labour for so long.
I judge the SNP on what they do, not what they say. They have spent years subsidising middle class voters at the expense of the poorest. They oppose redistributive taxation. They favour tax cuts. They are a demonstrably centre right party with centre left rhetoric.
I've always liked Zac Goldsmith but I'm amazed he stooped so low in his campaign, it seems to me that his heart wasn't really in it looking at the silly staged photo of him with a pint. He's finished which is a shame.
Congratulations to Ruth Davidson, an extraordinary achievement. Standing in a safe seat is child's play, swimming upstream as she has done is challenging and she has proved her worth, the type of politician I would support.
Davidson is a potential Tory leader in London, if she ever wants the gig. Naturally gifted politician.
I really hope she isn't poached. Scotland (or Wales for that matter), shouldn't be some sort of gestation pod where politicians are developed, only to be removed once they actually achieve something.
I think she's said she'd never take the job in London. But given the opportunity to play on a much bigger stage...
Be dangerous territory for any UK-wide party to have a Scot as leader while the SNP are so strong as a Yes vote in a second referendum would defenestrate that leader.
Not necessarily.
The Finance minister of the Czech Republic, for example, is a Slovak.
SNP are currently also being reported as +3 on their seats so far, so why is there no chance?
List vote for SNP won't be high enough to pickup enough list seats to get there. Good chance they might not even get to a majority now.
Why if SNP are ahead on a like-to-like comparison so far would they not get enough list seats this time?
Suffering from wandering list votes, less people voting for them on the list on the assumption they have it locked up than last time.
Split vote Glasgow. BOTH votes SNP was correct - but literally no-one realised that till after the event
Just seen that greens puy up a constituency candidate in Edinburgh central. Did not realise that, would have totally backed Ruth there if I knew that.
The Conservative plan of convincing the electorate that the SNP has this locked up at constituency level (their election leaflets were filled with Newspaper quotes saying the SnP were going to take every seat) worked perfectly for them.
Also with the unexciting results in Wales and England as well as no news from London will dominate the news cycles. Might even keep Khan's victory (which after all we're all expecting) from giving Labour a publicity boost.
You think the SNP aren't to the left of the Cons, or to the left of 'something for nothing society' SLab in their previous iteration?
It's ironic that someone who spends much of his time bewailing the madness of Corbynite Labour suddenly comes over all faint over the SNP not being lefty & taxy enough. It must pain you that Scotland (and presumably you) voted for '40p Top Rate' New Labour for so long.
I judge the SNP on what they do, not what they say. They have spent years subsidising middle class voters at the expense of the poorest. They oppose redistributive taxation. They favour tax cuts. They are a demonstrably centre right party with centre left rhetoric.
Your kinda party then.
Nope. I am prepared to pay more tax. But I understand I am in a minority. Scotland, like England, is not a left-wing country - though it's worth noting that parties opposing tax cuts and favouring the 50 pence rate did better in England and Wales than in Scotland.
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SNP are currently also being reported as +3 on their seats so far, so why is there no chance?
Bizarrely the page mentions she's a "lesbian", I wonder if that would count against her in the Shires and certain ethnic communities.
I think Ruth is very well respected amongst the Tory membership and I can't see anyone holding that against her.
SNP underperformed the polls. They now own the Labour lazy voters.
Serious anti-SNP tactical voting, haven't done the numbers but it looks like amazing voter efficiency for the notSNP and a serious collapse in the SNP vote efficiency from 2011.
Willie Rennie winning, blimey.
Both my constituency tips completely busted - apologies to anyone who followed me.
You might be interested in people's sexuality, I'm not.
If what is to be the case?
What you're saying is if somebody agrees with you they're astute.
I'm saying I admire and respect somebody in a party I don't like - can you see the difference?
If independence is to be a left right issue.
They should confirm their NE seat too
They got 4 in South of Scotland. Did they do any gains there?
I admire and respect Ruth too, though do not like her party. I am not sure that there is any difference to see.
I know he has *said* he will step down as MP for Tooting, but I can easily see "I've consulted widely in the party and with my constituents...the overwhelming desire is that...rest assured....I will fight with every bone in my body, day and night...to stand up for the people of London and the residents of Tooting"
The page doesn't mention she has size 5 feet or brown eyes, I find it bizarre it should mention she's a lesbian, why is it important?
I've already stated I would support her, stop making yourself look like a child.
The Finance minister of the Czech Republic, for example, is a Slovak.
You kids really are stupid, I praise a tory and you still have a pop.
Grow up the pair of you, you're like little boys with your yah boo nonsense
The SNP values for the polling seems to have been badly overstated - I was expecting around 50 percent not around 45.
I come on here for erudite political analysis, and find that people are arguing with blackburn63 because he used quote marks to, er, quote something.
Huh?
Anyway, this headline is fun though...
'It's Grim': Labour Gets Thrashed In Scotland
http://news.sky.com/story/1691081/its-grim-labour-gets-thrashed-in-scotland
It's ironic that someone who spends much of his time bewailing the madness of Corbynite Labour suddenly comes over all faint over the SNP not being lefty & taxy enough. It must pain you that Scotland (and presumably you) voted for '40p Top Rate' New Labour for so long.
Disappointing.
3 CON
2 LAB
1 GRN
1 SNP
(6x SNP, 2x LD in the constituencies)
Great night for plaid I guess
It's quite hard to find a heterosexual Scottish party leader.
That there been any discussion of Andy Burnham's announcement. That's pretty interesting in terms of long term prospects, both for the status of the Mayoralty and for his view of Labour's near term potential for recovery
https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/728469809118121987
They should get Cardiff West.
In 2011 they had 2 list seat in South Wales West. So I suppose they should get 1 this time too.
Therefore finishing at 28 out of 60 seats
4 LAB
3 CON
9 x SNP constituencies
Think the Tories got the last seat this time
1. Conservative Douglas Ross
2. Labour's Rhoda Grant
3. Conservative Edward Mountain
4. Conservative Donald Cameron
5. Scottish Green Party John Finnie
6. SNP Maree Todd
7. Labour's David Stewart
Thank you.
SNP 63
Con 31
Lab 24
Green 6
LD 5
That is surely highly embarrassing for Lab!
On topic, another really bad night for opinion pollsters, underestimating Labour in Wales and overestimating the SNP in Scotland. If they are accurate in London perhaps it's their regional model that is broken? After all, they did OK in the Smoke last time, just were massively out everywhere that actually mattered.
Also, if Labour sneak to 28 in Wales they might just be able to hang on with Yellow support. Unless CJ does a backflip and goes in with UKIP (now that would be funny).
Delighted Andrews has lost, he's the second nastiest man in Welsh politics and was a hopeless minister. But overall an extremely unimpressive night for the Blues and Plaid.
Andrews' loss also weakens an already desperately thin Labour talent pool, which was barely bolstered by Huw Irranca-Davies returning. Whatever comes out of this will not be a good government. There may be value in bets on fresh elections within three years.
Labour
Richard Leonard
Monica Lennon
Mark Griffin MSP
Elaine Smith SMP
Conservatives
Margaret Mitchell MSP
Graham Simpson
Alison Harris
No party is immune from criticism, its just so childish.
Just to keep @blackburn63 happy...
The Conservative plan of convincing the electorate that the SNP has this locked up at constituency level (their election leaflets were filled with Newspaper quotes saying the SnP were going to take every seat) worked perfectly for them.
Rennie and Ruth have cost them it lol
I bought Tory seats at 21 on SPIN