Have to agree with others earlier in the evening - McDonnell is much better at seeming plausible than Corbyn, even if he says the same thing or something even worse, when you think about it. More charm to him as well.
Thinking on Scotland, I feel like the SNP online brigade sometimes do their side no favours re expectations. It's not enough that they are still dominant, or that the other side be crap, it always has to be that they will have no chance, it's laughable, what pathetic people say otherwise. Now, it's not like the SNP are about to be in trouble, or that the other lot are knocking down the door, but they've exceeded expectations SNP supporters set.
It will be entertaining to look back on posts from the last couple of weeks by some of our Zoomer friends
Where are they tonight?
Preparing to shift tack. Now it's not that there are no Tories or it's pathetic to think the LDs could win any constituency seats, but shifting to the (still true) picture of SNP dominance regardless.
I'm looking forward to the SNP post mortem- too much FREEDOM!!! or not enough?
Conservative Angus Macpherson has been elected as the Wiltshire PCC.
I didn't realise they were counting any PCC elections tonight.
Wiltshire did it overnight in 2012 as well, the only place to do so. Result was never really in doubt, although the count I was at had a surprisingly strong showing for the LDs.
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
The long forecast Scottish Tory surge would be nothing next to Goldsmith somehow winning, or even losing but with head held high.
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
The long forecast Scottish Tory surge would be nothing next to Goldsmith somehow winning, or even losing but with head held high.
I had to think for a moment as to who on earth Goldsmith was...
There did appear to be some expectation management going on from London Labour earlier - talking about the differential turnout. But I don't see it being that close.
Kevin Alcock Reports that the Tories are 'Home and Dry' in Ettrick, Roxburgh & Berwickshire'. Tories will get a 7th Constituency seat.
7 constituency seats. A terrific performance but it is still difficult to predict how much this helps other than in the southern region where it obviously will.
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
The long forecast Scottish Tory surge would be nothing next to Goldsmith somehow winning, or even losing but with head held high.
Neither of which will happen. He's finished as a politician, stink of racism will accompany him forever.
If Labour go below 30% in Wales and come third in Scotland, it's difficult not to describe that as a disaster, (along with with a slight loss of council seats in England).
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
The long forecast Scottish Tory surge would be nothing next to Goldsmith somehow winning, or even losing but with head held high.
Neither of which will happen. He's finished as a politician, stink of racism will accompany him forever.
Not another one? ......Is he anti Semitic as well?
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
The long forecast Scottish Tory surge would be nothing next to Goldsmith somehow winning, or even losing but with head held high.
Neither of which will happen. He's finished as a politician, stink of racism will accompany him forever.
Not another one? ......Is he anti Semitic as well?
He's unfairly made an election issue out of the simple fact of his opponent's religion. The London electorate will rightly punish him for that catastrophic error of judgement. He is not fit.
Labour look to have done best in England oddly enough.
If by best, you mean less badly - then yes. But it is hardly a credit-worthy result for an opposition to be moving backwards when the government is so apparently unpopular.
Sure, but as a more interested than normal person, even I look at it and go 'that's it?'.
I suspect that the council results will be overshadowed by the re-shaping of the Scottish political scene and the London result
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
The long forecast Scottish Tory surge would be nothing next to Goldsmith somehow winning, or even losing but with head held high.
Neither of which will happen. He's finished as a politician, stink of racism will accompany him forever.
Not another one? ......Is he anti Semitic as well?
He's unfairly made an election issue out of the simple fact of his opponent's religion. The London electorate will rightly punish him for that catastrophic error of judgement. He is not fit.
Oh? Sorry I misunderstood I thought it was pointed out he " accidentally" shared platforms ( 9 times) with unsavoury people. Oh well.
An ironic sidenote: it's possible Corbyn's "prediction" that Labour will not lose seats in England might come true. Overall. The prediction he had to laboriously retract.
Well they already have lost seats - not yet near three figures - but they have still lost them. The first opposition to do so in 3 decades.
They might win lots and lots in the counts later this morning - but it is looking unlikely
An ironic sidenote: it's possible Corbyn's "prediction" that Labour will not lose seats in England might come true. Overall. The prediction he had to laboriously retract.
They might in the constituency section but Tories strong favourites to come second in list section.
Wrong way around. I doubt Labour will win any more constituencies so the Tories will be comfortably ahead in constituencies. Labour will win more seats on the list. Will it be enough to catch the Tory lead? Well, it will be close.
An ironic sidenote: it's possible Corbyn's "prediction" that Labour will not lose seats in England might come true. Overall. The prediction he had to laboriously retract.
Where are Labour getting back those 28 seats ?!
The more rural areas tomorrow will probably not be as good for Labour as the metropolitan councils.
An ironic sidenote: it's possible Corbyn's "prediction" that Labour will not lose seats in England might come true. Overall. The prediction he had to laboriously retract.
Well they already have lost seats - not yet near three figures - but they have still lost them. The first opposition to do so in 3 decades.
They might win lots and lots in the counts later this morning - but it is looking unlikely
Unlikely - but not impossible.
This is good as we really want Corbyn in situ.
The significant retreat in vote share in Wales and Scotland is going to hamper any possibility of Labour progress.
But Corbyn doesn't really see anything outside of his Islington blinkers
I agree that he is safe - for now.
It is a bad night for Labour - just not bad enough to encourage a challenge.
Sky News Dugdale fails to win constituency seat but may still be elected on regional list
It really ought not to be possible for people to stand for both the regional list and an individual constituency. Make a choice - and live with the democratic result.
Sky News Dugdale fails to win constituency seat but may still be elected on regional list
It really ought not to be possible for people to stand for both the regional list and an individual constituency. Make a choice - and live with the democratic result.
Sky News Dugdale fails to win constituency seat but may still be elected on regional list
It really ought not to be possible for people to stand for both the regional list and an individual constituency. Make a choice - and live with the democratic result.
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Conservative Angus Macpherson has been elected as the Wiltshire PCC.
Looks like independence has taken major step back.
SNP always balances the books and stopped the UK government raiding Scottish funds.
That should keep malky happy
That is surely a shocking figure!
It is still a bad night for Labour - even with a big win for Khan (if that is, in the end, what happens)
Reports that the Tories are 'Home and Dry' in Ettrick, Roxburgh & Berwickshire'. Tories will get a 7th Constituency seat.
Tories must be in second place now surely?
There did appear to be some expectation management going on from London Labour earlier - talking about the differential turnout. But I don't see it being that close.
Sadly.
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Alan Roden @AlanRoden 39m39 minutes ago
The Queen's two residences in Scotland are now in Tory seats. (h/t @KKeaneBBC) #sp16
Lab 23.5
Con 21.4
But seats to come are bad for Lab.
Anyone would think he had an agenda to push.
Add in Scotland and Wales and Lab has surely done worse.
" if Labour came 3rd in Scotland it would be cataclysmic"
I thought it was pointed out he " accidentally" shared platforms ( 9 times) with unsavoury people.
Oh well.
They might win lots and lots in the counts later this morning - but it is looking unlikely
Nobody's view of overall picture will have changed (in any party).
It sounds as if Anti-Corbynism is not sweeping the nation too.
Has a lot of hot air been spoken about differential turnout?
Lab should have made gains - "this is not a route back to power in 2020"
Sky News
Dugdale fails to win constituency seat but may still be elected on regional list
But Corbyn doesn't really see anything outside of his Islington blinkers
I agree that he is safe - for now.
It is a bad night for Labour - just not bad enough to encourage a challenge.
Lab is on 33% in WALES!
WALES!
Lab has no bigger heartland anywhere in the UK than Wales.
And they are on 33%. Breathtaking.