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As we saw after last week’s Iowa caucuses this stage in the White House race everything is all about expectations. So although Cruz won last week all the attention went on Rubio who did a fair bit better than expected.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
Off topic, WTF is this? Just fired up youtube to listen to some music and the "ad" stream forced this on me, which I assume the Guardian have paid for:
True, by contrast if he wins comfortably he will be well placed for the nomination, especially if Kasich beats Cruz and Rubio for second place. Trump would then have big momentum to take to South Carolina which he should win
True, by contrast if he wins comfortably he will be well placed for the nomination, especially if Kasich beats Cruz and Rubio for second place. Trump would then have big momentum to take to South Carolina which he should win
Trump strikes me as someone who really shouldn't win - the rubicon for me was very definitely crossed with the "bring back waterboarding and much worse" comment - but it looks like he just may, in a very long, slow and sluggish fight, edge it out.
True, by contrast if he wins comfortably he will be well placed for the nomination, especially if Kasich beats Cruz and Rubio for second place. Trump would then have big momentum to take to South Carolina which he should win
If Bloomberg wants to run he should be running in the Republican race against the Donald. I don't really see how he gets to buy himself a seat in the big game without putting his head above the parapet and showing that he has broad support. I think there would be serious issues of whether he would be allowed to take part in the debates etc.
As an independent I struggle to see what State he wins. New York is possibly the favourite but Hilary got 70% of the vote the last time she stood there, state wide. His running would undoubtedly distort the race in lots of interesting ways but I really struggle to see how he could possibly think there could be a breakthrough to electoral votes.
I just don't think it will happen.
Are you betting on Bloomberg?
Edit - sorry david, I quoted the wrong post - question meant for @rcs1000
I thought I was going to be accused of talking my book or something! If only.....
lol, no accusations like that from me!
You're one of the most objective and self aware posters on here.
Anyway, I mostly agree with you re; Bloomberg.
The talk about a possible bid certainly buys the guy some additional influence he wouldn't otherwise have - I can see no incentive for him to quash the speculation.
I'd be highly surprised if Michael Bloomberg ran. He seems like a man who wants to be president but without the bother of actually running to be president.
@britainelects On the junior doctors' strike: Support: 66% (-) Oppose: 22% (+6) [So long as emergency care is still provided] (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute: The Government: 64% The Junior Doctors: 13% Neither - equally at fault: 18% (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On the junior doctors' strike: Support: 66% (-) Oppose: 22% (+6) [So long as emergency care is still provided] (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute: The Government: 64% The Junior Doctors: 13% Neither - equally at fault: 18% (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On the junior doctors' strike: Support: 66% (-) Oppose: 22% (+6) [So long as emergency care is still provided] (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute: The Government: 64% The Junior Doctors: 13% Neither - equally at fault: 18% (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
I hate to say I told you so but...
Changes to go through, Hunt to be reshuffled.
That'd be seen as a Government defeat. Won't happen, unless someone "hard" replaces him. Grayling? Pickles?
I've been asleep for the last few hours, have I missed much?
N.Korea started up a nuclear reactor and upset a lot of peeps. It's ok though we have it covered apparently. Lady Colonel Nugee says we have lots of spitfires to hold them back.
True, by contrast if he wins comfortably he will be well placed for the nomination, especially if Kasich beats Cruz and Rubio for second place. Trump would then have big momentum to take to South Carolina which he should win
Trump strikes me as someone who really shouldn't win - the rubicon for me was very definitely crossed with the "bring back waterboarding and much worse" comment - but it looks like he just may, in a very long, slow and sluggish fight, edge it out.
True, by contrast if he wins comfortably he will be well placed for the nomination, especially if Kasich beats Cruz and Rubio for second place. Trump would then have big momentum to take to South Carolina which he should win
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
@britainelects On the junior doctors' strike: Support: 66% (-) Oppose: 22% (+6) [So long as emergency care is still provided] (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute: The Government: 64% The Junior Doctors: 13% Neither - equally at fault: 18% (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
I hate to say I told you so but...
No, this was the strike that was going to destroy doctors and raise Hunt to sainthood.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
He winds me up no end. His cause his not just nor noble.
There's real injustice in the world, he should focus on that.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
He winds me up no end. His cause his not just nor noble.
There's real injustice in the world, he should focus on that.
I think Sean Fear summed him up best: a monkey masturbating furiously in the centre of his cage in the zoo, desperate for attention.
Nate Silver's take on how Kasich might fare post New Hampshire, depending on his share of the vote there today:
"My guess is that there’s a difference between Kasich doing pretty well and doing really well. If Kasich replicates Jon Huntsman’s 17 percent of the vote from four years ago, he might be a good story for a few days but not have much impact beyond that. If he gets to 20 percent or more of the vote, however, finishing well ahead of the other “establishment lane” candidates and even threatening to win here, that’s a different story."
@britainelects On the junior doctors' strike: Support: 66% (-) Oppose: 22% (+6) [So long as emergency care is still provided] (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute: The Government: 64% The Junior Doctors: 13% Neither - equally at fault: 18% (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
I hate to say I told you so but...
Changes to go through, Hunt to be reshuffled.
That'd be seen as a Government defeat. Won't happen, unless someone "hard" replaces him. Grayling? Pickles?
So long as the changes go through I'd take that as a win. Similar to Gove being reshuffled from Education but his reforms going ahead.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
Because he's a narcissist. Privileged people who complain about how hard done by they are will always arouse strong feelings.
I'd be highly surprised if Michael Bloomberg ran. He seems like a man who wants to be president but without the bother of actually running to be president.
Yup, if the people of America were to ask nicely, he may graciously ascend.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
He winds me up no end. His cause his not just nor noble.
There's real injustice in the world, he should focus on that.
I think Sean Fear summed him up best: a monkey masturbating furiously in the centre of his cage in the zoo, desperate for attention.
He is in a country that lets non whites attend Oxford University, a country that gives him equality, fairness and opportunities that many would die for, and all he does is moan and bitch about how racist we are.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
I've almost fully sold down my position on Rubio for Next President (covered in case of "accidents" with my 14/1 with Hills from July) and laid him as Republican Nominee.
I don't expect him to win or come second, and for his price to start to drift on Betfair apres NH ski.
@britainelects On the junior doctors' strike: Support: 66% (-) Oppose: 22% (+6) [So long as emergency care is still provided] (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute: The Government: 64% The Junior Doctors: 13% Neither - equally at fault: 18% (via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
I hate to say I told you so but...
No, this was the strike that was going to destroy doctors and raise Hunt to sainthood.
Very few people will change their votes off the back of a pay dispute.
Especially when the Labour Party is in its current state.
@Speedy - I'm waiting for Rubio to say that Donald Trump has acted in a reckless and provocative manner and call for him to put aside the rhetoric, and get around the negotiating table, to stop this happening again.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I found it quite funny.
Back to school for Taki - Colleges do not award Rhodes Scholarships
@Speedy - I'm waiting for Rubio to say that Donald Trump has acted in a reckless and provocative manner and call for him to put aside the rhetoric, and get around the negotiating table, to stop this happening again.
It is indeed time to get around the negotiating table. The government have acted in a reckless and provocative manner. This must not happen again.
Jeez Louise....I cannot believe it is 8 years ago when Hilary snatched NH from that upstart Obama, and, my god 12 years ago when Howard Dean went yelping.
Before a blink of an eye I'm going to be dribbling, sat in a care home in Abingdon, wearing pads and talking shyte.
Jeez Louise....I cannot believe it is 8 years ago when Hilary snatched NH from that upstart Obama, and, my god 12 years ago when Howard Dean went yelping.
Before a blink of an eye I'm going to be dribbling, sat in a care home in Abingdon, wearing pads and talking shyte.
Amazing isn't it.
NH 08 was my first political bet; and a massive loser. Went for Obama at dreadful odds at about 8pm. And then went to the college Bar and thence to Bed, to sleep the sleep of the righteous. Only to wake to the today programme announcing Hilary's victory!
Trump is really entertaining. He's funny...I mean he is genuinely funny. The most entertaining politician of my lifetime- and we've had some corkers, Alan Clarke and George Gallaway spring to mind.
Rubio comes across as the child of a Stepford wife....a bit before your time young Pulps, but scary nevertheless.
Trump is really entertaining. He's funny...I mean he is genuinely funny. The most entertaining politician of my lifetime- and we've had some corkers, Alan Clarke and George Gallaway spring to mind.
Rubio comes across as the child of a Stepford wife....a bit before your time young Pulps, but scary nevertheless.
Rubio is the only candidate that actually scares me.
Reading AC's diaries again at the moment - he makes a fantastic point that at the beginning of a term of govt, ministerial organisation, rather than communication/messaging, is more important. I'm guessing that is why Hunt and Gove were in their positions in the beginning of terms.
Trump is really entertaining. He's funny...I mean he is genuinely funny. The most entertaining politician of my lifetime- and we've had some corkers, Alan Clarke and George Gallaway spring to mind.
Rubio comes across as the child of a Stepford wife....a bit before your time young Pulps, but scary nevertheless.
@FraserNelson: Taki: I'll offer Oriel College a six-figure donation - but ONLY if they withdraw Ntokozo Qwabe's Rhodes scholarship: https://t.co/3UXlzeBX5l
So we should withdraw academic funding from those who say things we don't like. I think Fraser Nelson is behaving as badly as Ntokozo Qwabe.
I agree. Qwabe is a muppet who could benefit from a course in critical thinking but that is just boorish.
I don't understand the hostility he rouses in some people. He's a passionate young man with a strong belief in his cause.
He winds me up no end. His cause his not just nor noble.
There's real injustice in the world, he should focus on that.
I think Sean Fear summed him up best: a monkey masturbating furiously in the centre of his cage in the zoo, desperate for attention.
He is in a country that lets non whites attend Oxford University, a country that gives him equality, fairness and opportunities that many would die for, and all he does is moan and bitch about how racist we are.
Withdraw his scholarship, and give it to a more deserving South African. Someone who will use it to do good for others, rather than a whining narcissist.
Looking at SCOTUS, if Rubio or Cruz get in then liberals best start praying for Breyer and Ginsburg's health !
That's hopeless, I think. They are not both going to see the sun rise in 2024. From the liberal point of view the Democrats simply have to win.
Indeed, the next President could end up appointing three or four justices.
OTOH Scalia and Kennedy are both 79 too...
Yes, but as Kennedy swings both ways you are really looking at 1.5 conservatives and 2.5 liberals on the glide path.
Some of these Justices should think seriously about retiring before Obama becomes even more ineffectual (we will notice when he has actually left office won't we?)
I thought he showed a version of himself in the last debate that would have Hillary in serious trouble. He can do reasonable very well when he wants to. Mind you "who is he really?" could be a dangerous question for him.
Looking at SCOTUS, if Rubio or Cruz get in then liberals best start praying for Breyer and Ginsburg's health !
That's hopeless, I think. They are not both going to see the sun rise in 2024. From the liberal point of view the Democrats simply have to win.
Indeed, the next President could end up appointing three or four justices.
OTOH Scalia and Kennedy are both 79 too...
Yes, but as Kennedy swings both ways you are really looking at 1.5 conservatives and 2.5 liberals on the glide path.
Some of these Justices should think seriously about retiring before Obama becomes even more ineffectual (we will notice when he has actually left office won't we?)
As I understand it people have pleaded with Ginsburg about this but she won't have it.
Looking at SCOTUS, if Rubio or Cruz get in then liberals best start praying for Breyer and Ginsburg's health !
That's hopeless, I think. They are not both going to see the sun rise in 2024. From the liberal point of view the Democrats simply have to win.
Indeed, the next President could end up appointing three or four justices.
OTOH Scalia and Kennedy are both 79 too...
Yes, but as Kennedy swings both ways you are really looking at 1.5 conservatives and 2.5 liberals on the glide path.
Some of these Justices should think seriously about retiring before Obama becomes even more ineffectual (we will notice when he has actually left office won't we?)
Would Obama be able to get a confirmation through the Senate in time though? The GOP could stall until after the election and if they win then just continue stalling until it is too late.
I thought he showed a version of himself in the last debate that would have Hillary in serious trouble. He can do reasonable very well when he wants to. Mind you "who is he really?" could be a dangerous question for him.
Oh Everyone knows who Trump is, and you know what you're getting with Cruz. Rubio is the moderate sounding true believer.
In terms of political characters there is Alan Clarke and then there is the rest. AC combines the charisma of B Clinton, the sex appeal of Kennedy, the intellect of (E) Powell, the jaw of Ike, the style of Jagger, the sense of humour of Richard Pryor, the joie de vivre of Depardieu..... Everything about AC was fun.
Trump is really entertaining. He's funny...I mean he is genuinely funny. The most entertaining politician of my lifetime- and we've had some corkers, Alan Clarke and George Gallaway spring to mind.
Rubio comes across as the child of a Stepford wife....a bit before your time young Pulps, but scary nevertheless.
Rubio is the only candidate that actually scares me.
Reading AC's diaries again at the moment - he makes a fantastic point that at the beginning of a term of govt, ministerial organisation, rather than communication/messaging, is more important. I'm guessing that is why Hunt and Gove were in their positions in the beginning of terms.
Trump is really entertaining. He's funny...I mean he is genuinely funny. The most entertaining politician of my lifetime- and we've had some corkers, Alan Clarke and George Gallaway spring to mind.
Rubio comes across as the child of a Stepford wife....a bit before your time young Pulps, but scary nevertheless.
Rubio is the only candidate that actually scares me.
Me too. It's inexplicable that people thought he had a chance. The senate committee hearing where he tried to ambush John Kerry and instead looked an absolute fool should have been devastating enough.
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He has the dough, the ego and the votes to plough on. His opponents are mostly pygmies, jostling for 15% of the vote each...
FourthFifth(?) like Bush/Rubio/Kasich/Christie.I still think - in a divided field - Trump edges it for now. He's less disliked by the base than Bush/Kasich who'd be the only other ones to benefit.
Cruz really does seem an acquired taste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NhRc_Depzw
Why? And how much did it cost them?
It's embarrassing.
Current Google Trends in NH using candidate names:
Trump 27
Kasich 20
Cruz 14
Rubio 13
Bush 9
Christie 8
6:48 PM - 9 Feb 2016
Based on the above, Kasich looks good value to win Ladbrokes New Hampshire Primary "without Trump" bet currently on offer at odds of 5/4.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/presidential-election/2016-presidential-election-winner/216136503/
DYOR
Trump 27
Kasich 20
Cruz 14
Rubio 13
Bush 9
Christie 8
that is the result, Kasich will find it tough in South Carolina I think, and it'd be a poor result for Rubio and Bush too.
Cruz might be happiest medium term with the above tbh.
Not sure Google trends is the best way to work out the polling mind.....
You're one of the most objective and self aware posters on here.
Anyway, I mostly agree with you re; Bloomberg.
The talk about a possible bid certainly buys the guy some additional influence he wouldn't otherwise have - I can see no incentive for him to quash the speculation.
For now.
Are you lot serious - were they any good as an Iowa predictor ?
@NickPalmer I've managed to get a bit longer for on Kasich myself today but I wasn't using Google Trends
Support: 66% (-)
Oppose: 22% (+6)
[So long as emergency care is still provided]
(via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
@britainelects On who is at fault for the dispute:
The Government: 64%
The Junior Doctors: 13%
Neither - equally at fault: 18%
(via Ipsos Mori / 05-07 Feb)
I hate to say I told you so but...
Saw your post thread before last and thought it very good and very true. I will certainly put it to good use.
Serves you right if you vote Remain.
https://t.co/A3hKlaWoK2
There's real injustice in the world, he should focus on that.
"My guess is that there’s a difference between Kasich doing pretty well and doing really well. If Kasich replicates Jon Huntsman’s 17 percent of the vote from four years ago, he might be a good story for a few days but not have much impact beyond that. If he gets to 20 percent or more of the vote, however, finishing well ahead of the other “establishment lane” candidates and even threatening to win here, that’s a different story."
West Ham lead Liverpool in downtown Newham
I said hello to Nick Clegg at Waterloo Station - he was meeting a couple of old friends and didn't seem to have a care in the world.
I might lay him more
This democracy stuff is overrated.
Result, Trump and Sanders lose N.H.
I don't expect him to win or come second, and for his price to start to drift on Betfair apres NH ski.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBX0Z1MkDyQ
Even if he gets the republican nomination, he will be laughed at all the way to defeat.
Especially when the Labour Party is in its current state.
Before a blink of an eye I'm going to be dribbling, sat in a care home in Abingdon, wearing pads and talking shyte.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Braman
At least we know Trump is self funding and Cruz/Hilary are in the pocket of Golden Sacks.
How many people know about Norman Braman or his motives !
Indeed, the next President could end up appointing three or four justices.
NH 08 was my first political bet; and a massive loser. Went for Obama at dreadful odds at about 8pm. And then went to the college Bar and thence to Bed, to sleep the sleep of the righteous. Only to wake to the today programme announcing Hilary's victory!
You see normally one can be a lefty democrat voter but not registered as a democrat, independents can vote both ways in primaries.
Rubio comes across as the child of a Stepford wife....a bit before your time young Pulps, but scary nevertheless.
Why? You think he'll nuke Iran?
Trump called Ted Cruz a pussy today.
So it validates some of your thoughts.
But voting wont end for another 2 hours at least.
AC combines the charisma of B Clinton, the sex appeal of Kennedy, the intellect of (E) Powell, the jaw of Ike, the style of Jagger, the sense of humour of Richard Pryor, the joie de vivre of Depardieu..... Everything about AC was fun.
I honestly have no words.