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Ash South and Tongham on Guildford (Con defence) Result of council at last election (2015): Conservatives 35, Liberal Democrats 9, Guildford Greenbelt 3, Labour 1 (Conservative majority of 22) Result of ward at last election (2015):
This is a seat UKIP shouldn't be even close to winning, but Corbyn has done his best to try and lose this by election.
Sources on the ground be damned! Are they saying, "That Llama bloke from down South had this called correctly right from the word go"? Johnny come latelys who wait until forty minutes before the close and then come up with a prediction. Call that punditry? They are the sort of chaps who at first light predict that the sun will rise in the East. They are the sort of fellows we used to describe at school as utter ..... *exits left muttering into his glass*
I put some money on Labour @1.22 for the by-election about 3 hours ago. They are now in to 1.14 - has there been news as to why?
Farage has been getting his excuses in early.
Tory source on the ground, not even close..... Labour comfortable hold.
Corbynism sweeping the nation...
UKIP are probably more loathed than Labour in Oldham.
Still, it doesn't stop Farage getting his excuses in early, and blaming the 'foreigners' and their 'dodgy voting'.
Great stuff! He hasn't 'said' any of 'those things'
We can assume you don't think that the muslim vote has won it for Labour as the Times reports? It's the reason anyone half shrewd didn't think UKIP could win
Or not a factor?
No I don't think Labour will win a majority exclusively from the so called Muslim vote.
I put some money on Labour @1.22 for the by-election about 3 hours ago. They are now in to 1.14 - has there been news as to why?
Farage has been getting his excuses in early.
Tory source on the ground, not even close..... Labour comfortable hold.
Corbynism sweeping the nation...
UKIP are probably more loathed than Labour in Oldham.
Still, it doesn't stop Farage getting his excuses in early, and blaming the 'foreigners' and their 'dodgy voting'.
Great stuff! He hasn't 'said' any of 'those things'
We can assume you don't think that the muslim vote has won it for Labour as the Times reports? It's the reason anyone half shrewd didn't think UKIP could win
Or not a factor?
No I don't think Labour will win a majority exclusively from the so called Muslim vote.
This is a seat UKIP shouldn't be even close to winning, but Corbyn has done his best to try and lose this by election.
Sources on the ground be damned! Are they saying, "That Llama bloke from down South had this called correctly right from the word go"? Johnny come latelys who wait until forty minutes before the close and then come up with a prediction. Call that punditry? They are the sort of chaps who at first light predict that the sun will rise in the East. They are the sort of fellows we used to describe at school as utter ..... *exits left muttering into his glass*
They are, they said always trust the opinions of that English Gentleman Hurst Llama, and that the RAF are the finest thing this country has ever produced.
This is a seat UKIP shouldn't be even close to winning, but Corbyn has done his best to try and lose this by election.
Sources on the ground be damned! Are they saying, "That Llama bloke from down South had this called correctly right from the word go"? Johnny come latelys who wait until forty minutes before the close and then come up with a prediction. Call that punditry? They are the sort of chaps who at first light predict that the sun will rise in the East. They are the sort of fellows we used to describe at school as utter ..... *exits left muttering into his glass*
They are, they said always trust the opinions of that English Gentleman Hurst Llama, and that the RAF are the finest thing this country has ever produced.
Don't you start me on Crab Air either, Young Eagles, bunch of posing Kevins who have been wrong about every strategic decision bar one in the past 97 years - didn't even know where Australia was.
Anyway I am not going to let you wind me up. I am off until nearer result time.
It's rare to have a by-election after a 45-year incumbency. You would have to go back to Caernarvon in 1945 or Liverpool Scotland in 1929 for anything similar. In nether case was that seat (fully) contested though.
You'll forgive me if I continue to believe that UKIP will win OW&R
Any possible doubt that Labour would win disappeared when Southam predicted a UKIP gain this morning.
;-)
Which means that Corbyn is safe until next May's local elections resulting in serious damage to Labour around the country. Followed by Labour's civil war.
Constituency betting brings a lot better return than any bank account.
I put some money on Labour @1.22 for the by-election about 3 hours ago. They are now in to 1.14 - has there been news as to why?
Farage has been getting his excuses in early.
Tory source on the ground, not even close..... Labour comfortable hold.
Corbynism sweeping the nation...
UKIP are probably more loathed than Labour in Oldham.
Still, it doesn't stop Farage getting his excuses in early, and blaming the 'foreigners' and their 'dodgy voting'.
Great stuff! He hasn't 'said' any of 'those things'
We can assume you don't think that the muslim vote has won it for Labour as the Times reports? It's the reason anyone half shrewd didn't think UKIP could win
Or not a factor?
No I don't think Labour will win a majority exclusively from the so called Muslim vote.
Who asked you?!!??!?
Nobody but I saw a comment I wanted to reply to so did. It is generally how publicly open websites work, is that news to you?
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
I doubt the parody act went down too well. Taking the piss out of the locals, is never going to be a vote winner.
We can all look forward to a By Election in the West Country, where they'll ponce about dressed in smocks like the Worzels, and wonder why they lose again.
I put some money on Labour @1.22 for the by-election about 3 hours ago. They are now in to 1.14 - has there been news as to why?
Farage has been getting his excuses in early.
Tory source on the ground, not even close..... Labour comfortable hold.
Corbynism sweeping the nation...
UKIP are probably more loathed than Labour in Oldham.
Still, it doesn't stop Farage getting his excuses in early, and blaming the 'foreigners' and their 'dodgy voting'.
Great stuff! He hasn't 'said' any of 'those things'
We can assume you don't think that the muslim vote has won it for Labour as the Times reports? It's the reason anyone half shrewd didn't think UKIP could win
Or not a factor?
No I don't think Labour will win a majority exclusively from the so called Muslim vote.
Who asked you?!!??!?
Nobody but I saw a comment I wanted to reply to so did.
Just crazy enough to work.
On the by-election, I fear PB may have been a bit over optimistic about UKIP's chances of a close result out of desire for it to be interesting. But they apparently love Labour, and had a hard left MP for yonks, even losing a sizable chunk of support thanks to recent events was not going to impact the result enough to make it less than comfortable to Labour, probably.
We'll see if that makes me look silly in the morning.
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
I put some money on Labour @1.22 for the by-election about 3 hours ago. They are now in to 1.14 - has there been news as to why?
Farage has been getting his excuses in early.
Tory source on the ground, not even close..... Labour comfortable hold.
Corbynism sweeping the nation...
UKIP are probably more loathed than Labour in Oldham.
Still, it doesn't stop Farage getting his excuses in early, and blaming the 'foreigners' and their 'dodgy voting'.
Great stuff! He hasn't 'said' any of 'those things'
We can assume you don't think that the muslim vote has won it for Labour as the Times reports? It's the reason anyone half shrewd didn't think UKIP could win
Or not a factor?
No I don't think Labour will win a majority exclusively from the so called Muslim vote.
Who asked you?!!??!?
Nobody but I saw a comment I wanted to reply to so did. It is generally how publicly open websites work, is that news to you?
Yes it is, people don't normally answer questions posed to others as if they were asked themselves
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
I truly doubt they all decided to treck up and down the country in crappy weather to take the piss out of the locals.
You'll forgive me if I continue to believe that UKIP will win OW&R
Any possible doubt that Labour would win disappeared when Southam predicted a UKIP gain this morning.
;-)
Which means that Corbyn is safe until next May's local elections resulting in serious damage to Labour around the country. Followed by Labour's civil war.
Constituency betting brings a lot better return than any bank account.
The only accurate indicators of the 2015 General Election were the political leader's personal ratings (for which RodCrosby&L&N were unjustly crucified) and the Labour Uncut article discussing disappointing postal vote returns 7-10 days before the election. All the others differed only in their degree of wrongness. Given Corbyn's ginormous disapproval index, no local polling, and not even decent gossip, a UKIP win is still possible. I am open to persuasion that postal votes filled by others render OW&R unlosable by Labour, but other than that...
I put some money on Labour @1.22 for the by-election about 3 hours ago. They are now in to 1.14 - has there been news as to why?
Farage has been getting his excuses in early.
Tory source on the ground, not even close..... Labour comfortable hold.
Corbynism sweeping the nation...
UKIP are probably more loathed than Labour in Oldham.
Still, it doesn't stop Farage getting his excuses in early, and blaming the 'foreigners' and their 'dodgy voting'.
Great stuff! He hasn't 'said' any of 'those things'
We can assume you don't think that the muslim vote has won it for Labour as the Times reports? It's the reason anyone half shrewd didn't think UKIP could win
Or not a factor?
No I don't think Labour will win a majority exclusively from the so called Muslim vote.
Who asked you?!!??!?
Nobody but I saw a comment I wanted to reply to so did.
Just crazy enough to work.
On the by-election, I fear PB may have been a bit over optimistic about UKIP's chances of a close result out of desire for it to be interesting. But they apparently love Labour, and had a hard left MP for yonks, even losing a sizable chunk of support thanks to recent events was not going to impact the result enough to make it less than comfortable to Labour, probably.
We'll see if that makes me look silly in the morning.
A close run by-election would have been entertaining. Corbyn would remain safe (for now) and the loony left would continue their takeover. Meanwhile moderate MPs would live in fear of deselection or losing safe seats in 2020.
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
I doubt the parody act went down too well. Taking the piss out of the locals, is never going to be a vote winner.
We can all look forward to a By Election in the West Country, where they'll ponce about dressed in smocks like the Worzels, and wonder why they lose again.
Taking the piss is an assumption. It's apparently been raining all day there - maybe they invested in the local headgear because of that.
Down here, I doubt if they'd be able to find a place to buy a Wurzel smock. I've never seen one in a shop.
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
I truly doubt they all decided to treck up and down the country in crappy weather to take the piss out of the locals.
A significant part of the Labour Establishment thought the EdStone was a good idea! Just saying.
I will look shrewd and it means UKIP wont become an ee-by-gum whippets and hotpot party
Essex and Kent is our heartland!
To be fair though, Sam, it's not exactly a heartland when you have a single seat.
The north is where there are votes going begging.
And mining there means you also get Tory governments. Which is in everyone's interest.
After how long mining Essex and Kent UKIP have what? One seat from a defector? One seat that was surprisingly close this time. UKIP are probably going to have zero seats in the so called heartland after the 2020 election.
OTOH one of the closest times UKIP have come to actually winning a seat of their own was Heywood and Middleton. That was pre Corbyn too before Labour went into meltdown and did as much as possible to ostracise voters. If UKIP were to be serious about winning seats then looking down your nose at whippets and hotpot is not the answer.
I will look shrewd and it means UKIP wont become an ee-by-gum whippets and hotpot party
Essex and Kent is our heartland!
To be fair though, Sam, it's not exactly a heartland when you have a single seat.
The north is where there are votes going begging.
And mining there means you also get Tory governments. Which is in everyone's interest.
After how long mining Essex and Kent UKIP have what? One seat from a defector? One seat that was surprisingly close this time. UKIP are probably going to have zero seats in the so called heartland after the 2020 election.
OTOH one of the closest times UKIP have come to actually winning a seat of their own was Heywood and Middleton. That was pre Corbyn too before Labour went into meltdown and did as much as possible to ostracise voters. If UKIP were to be serious about winning seats then looking down your nose at whippets and hotpot is not the answer.
I always remember the Dunfermline by-election where everyone thought Labour was going to win, even as the candidates walked onto the stage for the result.
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
Having seen the pictures of kippers gurning in flat caps it looks to me they are on a piss take not an election campaign. Until seeing it I was not much bothered who won, but now I hope UKIP lose.
I doubt the parody act went down too well. Taking the piss out of the locals, is never going to be a vote winner.
We can all look forward to a By Election in the West Country, where they'll ponce about dressed in smocks like the Worzels, and wonder why they lose again.
Taking the piss is an assumption. It's apparently been raining all day there - maybe they invested in the local headgear because of that.
I fear you talk too much common sense for the bleaters.
@DMcCaffreySKY: FROM OLDHAM: Senior UKIP sources tell me party had strong showing today, probably beating Labour but postal ballots may count against them.
I always remember the Dunfermline by-election where everyone thought Labour was going to win, even as the candidates walked onto the stage for the result.
Labour were 1.01 at this stage in Heywood and Middleton I think
My Lab MP said last week that his feeling was actually that the Labour vote was holding up reasonably well, but that the reasons for thinking it might be close were (a) Tory voters tactically going UKIP, and (b) the possibility of a low turnout meaning even those people who were saying on the doorstep that they were satisfied enough with Labour not showing on the day.
@DMcCaffreySKY: FROM OLDHAM: Senior UKIP sources tell me party had strong showing today, probably beating Labour but postal ballots may count against them.
Inshallah, Friday postal votes for Labour, peace be upon the returning officer
I always remember the Dunfermline by-election where everyone thought Labour was going to win, even as the candidates walked onto the stage for the result.
Mentioned in OGH's book, complete with comments from PB at the time!
I've just watched the Hilary Benn speech on YouTube. From his visits to town here I've always thought him competent and clever. Now I think he has the punch to lead the party. And he's Labour through & through.
This is a seat UKIP shouldn't be even close to winning, but Corbyn has done his best to try and lose this by election.
So Mr Corbyn has done his best to lose this by-election, yet Labour are still thought to be holding it comfortably.
That's good news for the Corbynites then, surely? It undermines the claims that he's an election-loser.
The Tooting by election is what will seal Mr Corbyn's fate
I didn't think there would be one - didn't Khan say he'd stay as MP?
He changed his mind and said he would step down iff he became Mayor.
Ah, thanks for that Mr. Eagles.
I think you might be right, then.
Loads of mates live in tooting. It's turned from dodgy to yummy-mummy central in the last 5 years. Isn't the council Walthamstow pretty blue, too?
Wandsworth not Walthamstow.
Of course - thanks for correcting Sunil.
Hilarious conversations with mates in Earlsfield recently - they all love what the Tories are doing for council tax but wouldn't dream of voting blue in the general.
Earlsfield is Yummy Mummy central TSE - I think you'd like it!
@DMcCaffreySKY: FROM OLDHAM: Senior UKIP sources tell me party had strong showing today, probably beating Labour but postal ballots may count against them.
"It was going to happen regardless" to quote an official at the Heywood and Middleton by-election.
The senior UKIP sources better be right otherwise they are not close to managing expectations properly.
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Except the more I think about it, the analogy doesn't work.
I will look shrewd and it means UKIP wont become an ee-by-gum whippets and hotpot party
Essex and Kent is our heartland!
This is a seat UKIP shouldn't be even close to winning, but Corbyn has done his best to try and lose this by election.
That was what I was trying to avoid laying at first, but wwhen UKIP shortened so much, I had to push it out
That said, Ill take it!
That's good news for the Corbynites then, surely? It undermines the claims that he's an election-loser.
The north is where there are votes going begging.
And mining there means you also get Tory governments. Which is in everyone's interest.
A loss of this seat for Labour and Benn's speech yesterday would be the death knell for Corbyn's leadership.
Except they will probably keep the seat, even on a reduced margin, and blame everyone else but themselves.
Failed Corbyn => More Corbyn.
@foxinsoxuk Thanks for the reply.
To pass time here is a 30 minute version of the Matrix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPOXR4dXxDQ
Clacton, Thurrock, South Thanet, Rochester, Dagenham, Hornchurch, etc etc
https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/
There are large swathes of the semi-urban north where there will be less opposition and a good amount of the can't be arsed party vote to tap into...
Anyway I am not going to let you wind me up. I am off until nearer result time.
;-)
Which means that Corbyn is safe until next May's local elections resulting in serious damage to Labour around the country. Followed by Labour's civil war.
Constituency betting brings a lot better return than any bank account.
Well, 22 now
I think you might be right, then.
Loads of mates live in tooting. It's turned from dodgy to yummy-mummy central in the last 5 years. Isn't the council Walthamstow pretty blue, too?
We can all look forward to a By Election in the West Country, where they'll ponce about dressed in smocks like the Worzels, and wonder why they lose again.
However Khan might decide to keep his seat and be MP and Mayor like Boris.
On the by-election, I fear PB may have been a bit over optimistic about UKIP's chances of a close result out of desire for it to be interesting. But they apparently love Labour, and had a hard left MP for yonks, even losing a sizable chunk of support thanks to recent events was not going to impact the result enough to make it less than comfortable to Labour, probably.
We'll see if that makes me look silly in the morning.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/oldham-west-and-royton/winning-party
Maybe they're on to something.
Or maybe not.
Down here, I doubt if they'd be able to find a place to buy a Wurzel smock. I've never seen one in a shop.
But let us not forget, counting hasn't even started.
Have you seen Hitler versus Khan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Su12yhLT2o
http://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/results/2015/42/
Labour have won all nine wards in the constituency in each election from 2010 onwards.
OTOH one of the closest times UKIP have come to actually winning a seat of their own was Heywood and Middleton. That was pre Corbyn too before Labour went into meltdown and did as much as possible to ostracise voters. If UKIP were to be serious about winning seats then looking down your nose at whippets and hotpot is not the answer.
Betting markets seem convinced Labour has won #OldhamWest . Just taken a £1,000 bet at 1/12.
http://www.nrm.org.uk/flyingscotsman/see/photos.aspx
@DMcCaffreySKY: FROM OLDHAM: Senior UKIP sources tell me party had strong showing today, probably beating Labour but postal ballots may count against them.
Time will tell if it was optimistic spin.
Prediction: Lab: 8,912 (41.9%) / UKIP 7,780 (36.6%) / Con 3,381 (15.9%) / LD 801 (3.8%) / Greens 373 (1.8%). Make that a 14.5% swing. 1/2
Either this weekend or next weekend, I'm doing a thread on David Hasselhoff
I've backed the tories above 250/1, although the value is pretty marginal.
It's a bit like a buy-one-get-one-free on lottery tickets, or something.
Just for fun.
I've just watched the Hilary Benn speech on YouTube. From his visits to town here I've always thought him competent and clever. Now I think he has the punch to lead the party. And he's Labour through & through.
Hilarious conversations with mates in Earlsfield recently - they all love what the Tories are doing for council tax but wouldn't dream of voting blue in the general.
Earlsfield is Yummy Mummy central TSE - I think you'd like it!
The senior UKIP sources better be right otherwise they are not close to managing expectations properly.
Lab 11,633 (40.9%)
UKIP 11,016 (38.7)
Con 3,496 (12.3)
LD 1,457 (5.1)
Grn 870 (3.1)
Swing 18.5% Lab - UKIP
Turnout 36.0%