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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    Hmmmmm... Looks like yet another let-down from UKIP!
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    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the LDs are saying all parties other than Lab and UKIP have lost their deposits.

    Fucking hell I hope the Tories are ahead of the yellow peril still.

    That'd be astounding if the Tories have lost their deposit.
    Relax. Being astonished by unsubstantiated rumours from anonymous sources who can't actually know is a mugs' game!
    I pitched at 500 erstwhile Lib Dems earlier.
    I took the 5/6 under 5%. I'm quietly confident that that will cover my losses on betting on the Kippers!

    Of course the turnout bet was the real zinger.
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    Looks like Jezza has dodged the first bullet. A shame, but not entirely unexpected. Labour won't lose everywhere all the time under his leadership - just when and where it matters.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy, last thread


    Colorado, Nevada and Florida between them comprise 43 Electoral College votes, fail to win at least one of those states and it is highly likely you lose the presidency. The Republicans would have to win Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Ohio, Iowa, Virginia, New Hampshire and Michigan to win to compensate, almost impossible, so wrong. In Florida a majority of Hispanics are non-Cuban, with Cubans making up just over a third of the Hispanics there so the GOP cannot ignore the Hispanic vote there either
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/9.pdf

    In Florida mexicans are only 7.5% of the latino vote, 2/3rds of them are puerto-ricans (Puerto Rico is a US territory) and cubans.
    You have to learn to distinguish the nationality of the latino vote by country of origin.
    So when lets say Trump insults mexican illegal immigrants we know the magnitude of it's impact.
    Without Florida which is a special case (as I said Latinos there are not mexicans), Colorado and Nevada together are 15 electoral votes, less that the smallest rust belt state (Michigan 16 E.Votes).
    Obama swept non-Cuban voters in 2012 in Florida winning 66% of them to 34% for Romney, Cubans split almost equally, 49% for Obama and 47% for Romney, close to the 50% to 49% margin by which Obama won the state, had Obama not won non-Cuban Hispanics as strongly Romney would almost certainly have won Florida
    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Florida,_2012
    You have also proven what I was saying, that Cubans vote differently than Mexicans which is why we must break down the latino vote by state and nationality of origin.
    Yes they do but as I pointed out it is now the non-Cuban Hispanic vote in Florida which plays a key role in determining which way the state goes
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the LDs are saying all parties other than Lab and UKIP have lost their deposits.

    Fucking hell I hope the Tories are ahead of the yellow peril still.

    That'd be astounding if the Tories have lost their deposit.
    Relax. Being astonished by unsubstantiated rumours from anonymous sources who can't actually know is a mugs' game!
    I pitched at 500 erstwhile Lib Dems earlier.
    I took the 5/6 under 5%. I'm quietly confident that that will cover my losses on betting on the Kippers!

    Of course the turnout bet was the real zinger.
    I'm stuck £120 if the blues are behind the yellow peril to @isam !
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    Labour HOLD Boleyn (Newham).
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    Conservative HOLD Belvoir (South Kesteven).
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    Labour HOLD Boleyn (Newham).

    West Ham :)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    Danny565 said:

    chestnut said:

    The Labour percentage will be the most interesting thing.

    The big test is whether they beat the majority Dave got (633) in his first by-election defence as leader.
    Dave was leading the opinion polls in the time, Corbyn has not led in one poll since he was elected
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    Belvoir (South Kesteven) result:
    CON: 52.5% (-17.1)
    IND: 18.5% (+18.5)
    LAB: 15.2% (-15.1)
    UKIP: 13.8% (+13.8)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2015
    viewcode said:

    If Labour fake enough postal ballots to win the seat, you may wish some cheering up. The second Batman vs Superman trailer is out. Doomsday & Wonder Woman's in it.

    Oh no, not another crappy superhero movie.
    They ran out of superheroes so now they are merging the franchises.
    Star Wars vs Star Trek next.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the LDs are saying all parties other than Lab and UKIP have lost their deposits.

    Oooh really? LDs beating Tories would be nice!
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Belvoir (South Kesteven) result:

    CON: 52.5% (-17.1)
    IND: 18.5% (+18.5)
    LAB: 15.2% (-15.1)
    UKIP: 13.8% (+13.8)
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883

    @britainelects:
    Teme Valley (Malvern Hills) result:
    CON: 63.8% (-8.4)
    LAB: 22.9% (+22.9)
    UKIP: 13.3% (-14.4)

    15.5% swing to LAB

    Jezza bounce
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    edited December 2015
    Nawaz socking it to the Abbotess.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited December 2015

    Looks like Jezza has dodged the first bullet. A shame, but not entirely unexpected. Labour won't lose everywhere all the time under his leadership - just when and where it matters.

    Tories 4 Corbyn Winning In Oldham! :smiley:
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    @britainelects:
    Teme Valley (Malvern Hills) result:
    CON: 63.8% (-8.4)
    LAB: 22.9% (+22.9)
    UKIP: 13.3% (-14.4)

    15.5% swing to LAB

    Jezza bounce
    Somewhat helped by the fact they didn't have a candidate at the previous election........
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    GIN1138 said:

    Hmmmmm... Looks like yet another let-down from UKIP!

    UKIP have never expected victory here.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    isam said:

    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the LDs are saying all parties other than Lab and UKIP have lost their deposits.

    Oooh really? LDs beating Tories would be nice!
    #GivingitallbackthatIwonfromtheGEtoyou
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    Y0kel said:

    San Bernadino shootings:

    Just two questions:

    1. Al Qaeda or IS?

    2. Inspired by or directed by?

    1. Al Qaeda
    2. Inspired.
    Do i win a book or a Ladbrokes free bet?
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,951
    Abbot doesn't really seem to be taking these anti-Corbyn comments in...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2015
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Hmmmmm... Looks like yet another let-down from UKIP!

    UKIP have never expected victory here.
    25.9% on PB where.
    Anyway UKIP realistically never had a chance, it was the anti-Corbynites who where dreaming of it.

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    RobD said:

    @britainelects:
    Teme Valley (Malvern Hills) result:
    CON: 63.8% (-8.4)
    LAB: 22.9% (+22.9)
    UKIP: 13.3% (-14.4)

    15.5% swing to LAB

    Jezza bounce
    Somewhat helped by the fact they didn't have a candidate at the previous election........
    Don't confuse him
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    @britainelects:
    Teme Valley (Malvern Hills) result:
    CON: 63.8% (-8.4)
    LAB: 22.9% (+22.9)
    UKIP: 13.3% (-14.4)

    15.5% swing to LAB

    Jezza bounce
    Tories doing their bit to save Jez
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Alex Carey ‏@AlexCareyOC 3 mins3 minutes ago
    Spoken to local contacts from both parties. UKIP contact said they're not expecting a win. Labour contact says they may have 50% of vote
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    These rumours are great for betting. I just wish there were more markets for me to trade.

    Reminds me of indyref when I was able to lay 95%+ turnout @ 5/2
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,290
    All that matters is that mud sticks.

    Just even referring to Labour and terrorists / intimidation / death threats in the same sentence is going to do massive damage.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @joncraig: A Labour source at Oldham by-election count tells me: "We're fairly confident of victory now." Bold prediction this early in the evening.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    If Labour fake enough postal ballots to win the seat, you may wish some cheering up. The second Batman vs Superman trailer is out. Doomsday & Wonder Woman's in it.

    Oh no, not another crappy superhero movie.
    They ran out of superheroes so now they are merging the franchises.
    Star Wars vs Star Trek next.
    Maybe they can incorporate the Superman/Invisible Man/Wonder Woman joke.
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    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    If Labour fake enough postal ballots to win the seat, you may wish some cheering up. The second Batman vs Superman trailer is out. Doomsday & Wonder Woman's in it.

    Oh no, not another crappy superhero movie.
    They ran out of superheroes so now they are merging the franchises.
    Star Wars vs Star Trek next.
    http://itsfunny.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Superman-vs-Batman.jpg
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    If Labour fake enough postal ballots to win the seat, you may wish some cheering up. The second Batman vs Superman trailer is out. Doomsday & Wonder Woman's in it.

    Oh no, not another crappy superhero movie.
    They ran out of superheroes so now they are merging the franchises.
    Star Wars vs Star Trek next.
    Maybe they can incorporate the Superman/Invisible Man/Wonder Woman joke.
    Well there is already a Star Trek porn movie, they might have already done it.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Scott_P said:



    Predictions

    Labour offer a free vote, which Cameron wins.
    Labour squeak Oldham
    No member of the shadow cabinet resigns
    Corbyn remains in post, and those members of the PLP not deselected by Momentum get hammered by the voters

    Two down...

    Third on the way...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Turn out 40.26%
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,817

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Apparently the LDs are saying all parties other than Lab and UKIP have lost their deposits.

    Fucking hell I hope the Tories are ahead of the yellow peril still.

    That'd be astounding if the Tories have lost their deposit.
    Relax. Being astonished by unsubstantiated rumours from anonymous sources who can't actually know is a mugs' game!
    Spoil sport. Between that and racial stereotyping around the veracity of the postal vote, what else is there to do for the next 3 hours?
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    Y0kel said:

    San Bernadino shootings:

    Just two questions:

    1. Al Qaeda or IS?

    2. Inspired by or directed by?

    1. Al Qaeda
    2. Inspired.
    Do i win a book or a Ladbrokes free bet?
    You win a subscription to Dabiq, the IS in-house magazine. The lifestyle pieces are particularly popular. Glamping in the Caliphate was a great article.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited December 2015

    @britainelects:
    Teme Valley (Malvern Hills) result:
    CON: 63.8% (-8.4)
    LAB: 22.9% (+22.9)
    UKIP: 13.3% (-14.4)

    UKIPs post GE2015 record in by-elections continues to shine.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Newham London ‏@NewhamLondon 5m5 minutes ago
    A total of 1,997 votes were cast in the Boleyn Ward by-election. Veronica Oakehsott (Labour), Newham's new councillor received 1,440 votes.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @joncraig: Last-minute surge in postal votes at Oldham by-election, up from 55% to 70% in final days. UKIP sources suggest that's good news for Labour.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited December 2015

    @britainelects:
    Teme Valley (Malvern Hills) result:
    CON: 63.8% (-8.4)
    LAB: 22.9% (+22.9)
    UKIP: 13.3% (-14.4)

    15.5% swing to LAB

    Jezza bounce
    Tories doing their bit to save Jez
    I think it's time Tory supporters started lying to those pesky opinion pollsters as well... Have been getting a bit concerned that the Con lead it getting too large.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: Turn out 40.26%

    Boom !
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    @faisalislam: Bigger than expected turnout at #oldhamwest of 40.26%
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 8 secs8 seconds ago
    Oldham West & Royton turnout:
    27,795 (40.3%)
    Much higher than expected.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    The Bets I laid on here for reference peeps

    Pong LAB MARGIN 10@9 25+
    Tissue Price LAB MARGIN 20@13/2 5 to 10
    Fat Steve LAB MARGIN 10@8 0 to 5
    Fat Steve LAB MARGIN 10@6 5 to 10
    RCS LAB UO 100@5/6 u16
    FOX Con/UKIP 10@7/2
    Pulpstar Con/LD 120@1/6
    Andy JS Lab to Lose 5@8
    FOX LAB MARGIN 10@4 10 to 15
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 16s16 seconds ago
    Oldham West & Royton turnout:
    27,795 (40.3%)
    Much higher than expected.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2015
    I got turnout right, saying it would be between 40 and 42% IIRC.

    40.26% turnout with 27,795 votes means the electorate has dropped a couple of thousand since the general election.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    @faisalislam: Bigger than expected turnout at #oldhamwest of 40.26%

    Well I sold at 44.5 so a win is a win.
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    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 32s33 seconds ago
    Oldham West & Royton turnout:
    27,795 (40.3%)
    Much higher than expected.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    Scott_P said:

    @joncraig: Last-minute surge in postal votes at Oldham by-election, up from 55% to 70% in final days. UKIP sources suggest that's good news for Labour.

    LOL! Hope they check these postal votes against the register...
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    @stephenkb: What's worth watching for: in first three by-elections (Oldham E, Barnsley Central, Leicester South) of Miliband era, Labour up 10+ points.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    @faisalislam: Bigger than expected turnout at #oldhamwest of 40.26%

    Blast, that is even above my highest expectations.
    I lost that one.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    1/3 of the votes are postal...
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @joncraig: Last-minute surge in postal votes at Oldham by-election, up from 55% to 70% in final days. UKIP sources suggest that's good news for Labour.

    LOL! Hope they check these postal votes against the register...
    They did - there was a perfect 2:1 correspondence as expected. (TIC)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 32s33 seconds ago
    Oldham West & Royton turnout:
    27,795 (40.3%)
    Much higher than expected.

    1,390 needed to hold deposit for the yellow peril.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited December 2015
    Any word from Dan The Man, Re. All of this? :smiley:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    edited December 2015
    Diane Abbot is shameless isn't she :wink:
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    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @joncraig: Last-minute surge in postal votes at Oldham by-election, up from 55% to 70% in final days. UKIP sources suggest that's good news for Labour.

    LOL! Hope they check these postal votes against the register...
    What register? Labour councils don't keep registers.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    A Labour win in Oldham probably means a Tory win in London next May and horrible results for Labour in Scotland and Wales. Cameron and Osborne must be pleased.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,899
    Speedy said:

    viewcode said:

    If Labour fake enough postal ballots to win the seat, you may wish some cheering up. The second Batman vs Superman trailer is out. Doomsday & Wonder Woman's in it.

    Oh no, not another crappy superhero movie.
    They ran out of superheroes so now they are merging the franchises.
    Star Wars vs Star Trek next.
    (bites lip)
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    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton
    Lib Dem source at Oldham count predicts Labour just over 60%.

    This Lib Dem is either very well-informed or deluded!
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    MP_SE said:

    1/3 of the votes are postal...

    So few.
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    Pulpstar said:

    @faisalislam: Bigger than expected turnout at #oldhamwest of 40.26%

    Well I sold at 44.5 so a win is a win.
    Yeah, me too. I was originally expecting around 40%, so in line on that one (moral: always ignore reports on the day!)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    @stephenkb: What's worth watching for: in first three by-elections (Oldham E, Barnsley Central, Leicester South) of Miliband era, Labour up 10+ points.

    Are some projecting that Labour's vote might be up from the GE ?
    That is critical for the odds of David Herdson eating Lord Ashdowns hat.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pulpstar said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 32s33 seconds ago
    Oldham West & Royton turnout:
    27,795 (40.3%)
    Much higher than expected.

    1,390 needed to hold deposit for the yellow peril.
    They'll struggle to get 1,000 IMO.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    Pulpstar said:

    Diane Abbot is shameless isn't she :wink: D

    I remember Dr Palmer was never all that fond of Diane... I wonder how he feels now about getting into bed with her (in a strictly political sense of course) ? ;)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942

    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton
    Lib Dem source at Oldham count predicts Labour just over 60%.

    This Lib Dem is either very well-informed or deluded!

    Damn, that'll crush my Tory overs tenner.
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    Jeremy Corbyn MP ‏@jeremycorbyn 1 h1 ora fa
    With @RachaelMaskell MP, @johnmcdonnellMP & Labour members phoning people in #Oldham for @CllrJimMcMahon #IbackJim

    He tweeted at 10.30. Probably to busy phoning earlier...or they let him phone only when polls were closed
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited December 2015

    @stephenkb: What's worth watching for: in first three by-elections (Oldham E, Barnsley Central, Leicester South) of Miliband era, Labour up 10+ points.

    But could possibly still outstrip Dave's 11-point drop in his first byelection
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    AndyJS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 32s33 seconds ago
    Oldham West & Royton turnout:
    27,795 (40.3%)
    Much higher than expected.

    1,390 needed to hold deposit for the yellow peril.
    They'll struggle to get 1,000 IMO.
    Good !
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Muslim vote reacting to Syria?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883
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    Lib Dem source at Oldham count predicts Labour just over 60%.

    Jezza bounce Danczuk will be disappointed
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    A Labour win in Oldham probably means a Tory win in London next May and horrible results for Labour in Scotland and Wales. Cameron and Osborne must be pleased.

    Labour will do badly in Scotland, well in Wales, and London is too close to call.
    That's according to the opinion polls of course.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Diane Abbot is shameless isn't she :wink: D

    I remember Dr Palmer was never all that fond of Diane... I wonder how he feels now about getting into bed with her (in a strictly political sense of course) ? ;)
    Stirring Jezza's ethically produced Gluten free organic porridge?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    edited December 2015
    Rods Swing-Back model should be up and running tomorrow anyway.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2015
    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 4m4 minutes ago
    Lib Dem source at Oldham count predicts Labour just over 60%.

    David Herdson will eat Lord Ashdown's hat it seems.
    Full photographic evidence to be posted on PB, Mr.Herdson.
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    By the end of the night the LD source will claim Labour have polled 110%
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    @stephenkb: Sign of a very well-drilled ground operation if the postal vote is as high as 11k.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    The Bets I laid on here for reference peeps

    Pong LAB MARGIN 10@9 25+
    Tissue Price LAB MARGIN 20@13/2 5 to 10
    Fat Steve LAB MARGIN 10@8 0 to 5
    Fat Steve LAB MARGIN 10@6 5 to 10
    RCS LAB UO 100@5/6 u16
    FOX Con/UKIP 10@7/2
    Pulpstar Con/LD 120@1/6
    Andy JS Lab to Lose 5@8
    FOX LAB MARGIN 10@4 10 to 15

    optimum result for the fox, Lab to win by 10-15% with kippers in 3rd,

    Though I was a bit more cautious on NoJam
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Jezza's brother on This Week.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Top Gun xD
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    Golden rule of betting.

    No one ever gets rich backing spurs or ukip.
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    @stephenkb: Sign of a very well-drilled ground operation if the postal vote is as high as 11k.

    Vote early, vote often....
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    Jezza's brother on This Week.

    I've never seen him on TV before, I'll watch it.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Pulpstar said:

    @faisalislam: Bigger than expected turnout at #oldhamwest of 40.26%

    Well I sold at 44.5 so a win is a win.
    Yeah, me too. I was originally expecting around 40%, so in line on that one (moral: always ignore reports on the day!)
    Unless it's a GE exit poll.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,897
    People of Oldham love Labour, including Corbyn Labour, what a shock.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited December 2015
    Anorak said:

    Unless it's a GE exit poll.

    True
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    @stephenkb: Sign of a very well-drilled ground operation if the postal vote is as high as 11k.

    Tories usually do well on postal votes
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2015
    MP_SE said:
    That's a 25.2% lead over UKIP with the turnout of 27,795.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,883
    Early night for Southam Observer?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    Portillo agrees with me re Cameron's 'terrorist sympathiser' comment

    All is well
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    Portillo calls Cameron 'shameless' in saying his opponents backed terrorists, meant Hilary Benn stole the limelight
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    joncraigSKYVerified account
    @joncraig
    Turnout in Oldham by-election officially declared by returning officer as 40.26%, higher than some predictions & not bad for December poll.
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    @stephenkb: Sign of a very well-drilled ground operation if the postal vote is as high as 11k.

    Tories usually do well on postal votes
    We do, is why Dave hasn't restricted the use of postal voting
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Postal voting needs to be looked at. Coupled with the boundary review and Labour could be out of power for a long time.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,845
    Danny565 said:

    Jezza's brother on This Week.

    PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    isam said:

    Portillo agrees with me re Cameron's 'terrorist sympathiser' comment

    All is well

    I thought it was unbecoming of the Prime Minister.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    MP_SE said:
    That would be something like

    Lab 15500 55%
    UKIP 8500 30%
    Oth 4000 14%
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2015
    kle4 said:

    People of Oldham love Labour, including Corbyn Labour, what a shock.

    I told everyone on PB on the day that Meacher died, they voted for Meacher with large numbers for decades, of course they love Corbyn.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,942
    Postal voters always vote the same way don't they ?
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