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  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    Todays Survation - EICIPM

    We need a distinction between an EICIPM minority government, and EICIPM majority government. Any ideas?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,500

    Whilst the thread obsesses about the next parliament, which will only last for a paltry five years, we should not forget the really important story of the day, one whose effects will last for possibly a hundred years and will be visible every day:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32225276

    those pylons are just so bland.
    Yep, and far less interesting from a structural engineering viewpoint.

    (As an aside, some (ahem) associates once persuaded people that we were erecting a high-tension pylon in someone's back garden. They, and the council, were not impressed with the joke).

    Note: I am not a member of the Pylon Appreciation Society. Although they have used a couple of my pictures:

    http://www.pylons.org/
    I really liked the Iceland ones, creative engineering.

    https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A9mSs2s.3SZVpUgAXalLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsYWhiN2NvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=pylons+iceland
    Thanks! That's made my day.

    Yes, I'm that sad.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    What'll Yougov bring ?

    The Tories strike back :) ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Pulpstar said:

    What'll Yougov bring ?

    The Tories strike back :) ?

    Swingback strikes back, surely :D:D
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Considering the media interest in any post election Labour and SNP deals, this might prove to be an error when fighting for those undecided voters.

    https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/586253713825738753/photo/1

    Guardian taking a bit of a risk here given we have two polls to go today

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    EICHAM - Ed is crap, has a majority
    EICNATS - Ed is crap, needs all the Scots
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Pulpstar said:

    What'll Yougov bring ?

    The Tories strike back :) ?

    Shurely The Tories Stab Back.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    EICHAM - Ed is crap, has a majority
    EICNATS - Ed is crap, needs all the Scots

    Love it
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I stand by my comment made last month that getting excited or downhearted over an opinion poll is the equivalent of cheering or booing a throw in at a football match

    Moronic behaviour. I suppose it is at least a little more bearable on here when they favour labour
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Miss Fitalass, as a chap not necessarily overweight, I'm more concerned by that dementia headline.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited April 2015

    Whilst the thread obsesses about the next parliament, which will only last for a paltry five years, we should not forget the really important story of the day, one whose effects will last for possibly a hundred years and will be visible every day:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32225276

    those pylons are just so bland.
    Yep, and far less interesting from a structural engineering viewpoint.

    (As an aside, some (ahem) associates once persuaded people that we were erecting a high-tension pylon in someone's back garden. They, and the council, were not impressed with the joke).

    Note: I am not a member of the Pylon Appreciation Society. Although they have used a couple of my pictures:

    http://www.pylons.org/
    I really liked the Iceland ones, creative engineering.

    https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A9mSs2s.3SZVpUgAXalLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsYWhiN2NvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=pylons+iceland
    I'd like to see some with integrated man-sized hamster wheels. We could use them for community service sentences AND obesity treatment options. Win-win-win!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2015
    The Conservative message this week:

    Will not deny cuts in the 45% tax band.

    Supports non doms getting away with only £90k.

    Attacks Edward Miliband for "back stabbing" his brother. His Blairite brother apparently should have inherited the earth.
  • franklynfranklyn Posts: 322
    Driving round Bedford today, and lots of Labour posters especially in the more upmarket parts of town, and lots of Conservative in the poorer part of town (London Road, Fenlake, for those of you like Mike who know the area). No Lib Dems although they normally make quite a show in their stronghold wards. Very strange. ..and I am mainly posting because others have commented on how few posters they have seen.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Whilst the thread obsesses about the next parliament, which will only last for a paltry five years, we should not forget the really important story of the day, one whose effects will last for possibly a hundred years and will be visible every day:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32225276

    those pylons are just so bland.
    Yep, and far less interesting from a structural engineering viewpoint.

    (As an aside, some (ahem) associates once persuaded people that we were erecting a high-tension pylon in someone's back garden. They, and the council, were not impressed with the joke).

    Note: I am not a member of the Pylon Appreciation Society. Although they have used a couple of my pictures:

    http://www.pylons.org/
    I really liked the Iceland ones, creative engineering.

    https://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A9mSs2s.3SZVpUgAXalLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsYWhiN2NvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkAw--?_adv_prop=image&fr=mcafee&va=pylons+iceland
    Wow! Simply Wow! I want one!

    Time to book a holiday to Iceland.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    isam said:

    I stand by my comment made last month that getting excited or downhearted over an opinion poll is the equivalent of cheering or booing a throw in at a football match

    Moronic behaviour. I suppose it is at least a little more bearable on here when they favour labour

    Come on Sam you were forgetting your debit card 3 digit code in your rush to get on at 40s with Betfair Labour :D
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Interesting that it's leaked out that the Tories tried to organise a doctors' NHS letter, the words 'piss-up' and 'brewery' come to mind. Hopefully will be the end of letter writing from both parties, and they stop acting like 19th century simpering aristocrats and expressing everything through sodding letters.

    Dr David Wrigley @DavidGWrigley

    Good set of @guardianletters worried about the Tories record on NHS and supporting our letter earlier in week http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/righting-past-wrongs-nhs-reorganisation


    Dr Éoin Clarke @LabourEoin

    250 Fire Fighters sign a letter exposing Tory Cuts to Fire Services. Not a mention from BBC https://theutopianfirefighter.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/the-firefighter-letter/ … pic.twitter.com/dczltGGPMK

    You were saying ;-)
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    fitalass said:

    Twitter

    Tim Montgomerie ن ‏@montie 16m16 minutes ago
    Genuine question: What would you do to rejig the Tory campaign? I'm preparing a (short term political) plan.

    Tom Newton Dunn ‏@tnewtondunn 5m5 minutes ago
    @montie you're 100% sure it needs rejigging? (ps, two more polls to come tonight)

    This is the real issue. Idiot tories who have invented themselves as media cleverdicks in their own lunchtime but who will take any opportunity to peddle their own prejudice at the expense of the party. It saddens me to say that most of the headless chickens and foot in mouthers-off are right wingers.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    fitalass said:

    Considering the media interest in any post election Labour and SNP deals, this might prove to be an error when fighting for those undecided voters.

    https:// twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/586253713825738753/photo/1

    Guardian taking a bit of a risk here given we have two polls to go today

    I think you have a serious case of wishful thinking.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    I stand by my comment made last month that getting excited or downhearted over an opinion poll is the equivalent of cheering or booing a throw in at a football match

    Moronic behaviour. I suppose it is at least a little more bearable on here when they favour labour

    Be fair, 3 good polls in a row must be the equivalent of a dangerous free-kick. They rarely go in, but the anticipation is there.

    Being 5% up in the exit poll is a penalty kick, presumably.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Todays Survation - EICIPM

    LOL
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    This is the real issue. Idiot tories who have invented themselves as media cleverdicks in their own lunchtime but who will take any opportunity to peddle their own prejudice at the expense of the party. It saddens me to say that most of the headless chickens and foot in mouthers-off are right wingers.

    @Tim Montgomerie
    Genuine question: What would you do to rejig the Tory campaign? I'm preparing a (short term political) plan.

    How about you STFU Tim?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714

    JamesM said:

    Evening all.

    First a disclaimer - I am Conservative member and voter. I am also something of a political animal, following things closely, yet I have struggled to get caught up in the campaign; it is hard to see what is taking place.

    I do follow polls, but I also base a lot on my gut, which I why I would be a poor gambler probably!! I am convinced not many people are really thinking about the election at all yet. I am sure there will be a tipping point, but when Easter holidays are still ongoing I am not convinced it is yet.

    ...
    ...
    ...

    There is too much hyperventilating about polls, especially over easter. The trends of polls can be significant but given the admitted margin for error then with what is effectively a 4 party system at the moment I wonder what it is the polls are picking up.
    Plus we have all the adjustments and the method of collecting polls. (Do telephone polls differentiate between mobile and land line?) and the fact that some are self selecting panels.
    I know this has all been discussed before but its then ignored. Is it the public that are more volatile or the polls. If the public are as you suggest actually less interested (or maybe more cynical) then the polls may be inventing volatility.

    In terms of campaigning tactics I do wonder, what is the best choice - to treat the public as intelligent or gormless?
    There's been a media-led, mini-Zeitgeist in recent days that has nurtured the notion that Ed isn't quite the hopeless dud that everyone suspected. Therefore a few respondents, wanting to appear groovy, have fallen in step behind the journo-think. This is no surprise as the media have clearly been itching to toy with this narrative for some time. A similar thing happened to a far larger degree with the Cleggasm. It won't last.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Scott_P said:


    This is the real issue. Idiot tories who have invented themselves as media cleverdicks in their own lunchtime but who will take any opportunity to peddle their own prejudice at the expense of the party. It saddens me to say that most of the headless chickens and foot in mouthers-off are right wingers.

    @Tim Montgomerie
    Genuine question: What would you do to rejig the Tory campaign? I'm preparing a (short term political) plan.

    How about you STFU Tim?
    I assume you've seen TND's tweet?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Saw some Labour signs in Stroud, a couple of huge posters in Totnes for Tory, two LD in Bristol West in last 60 hours.

    Still waiting for that Labour dog whistle mug, just in case I need to offer a Lab canvasser a mug of tea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Frankly Certainly a lot of Tory posters around here strategically placed
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    What happened to Dan Hodges' game changing Tory tax announcement this week?
    Was he referring to the reheated stuff about the 40p rate or was it a Hodges special
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Dear, dear. A few Tory supporters have made themselves look a bit silly this afternoon. Threatening to leave the country, wanting to cash out their equities, railing against ignorant voters, and so on. And just because of two polls, one of which is a Panelbase!!!

    This election is close. Labour is facing wipeout in Scotland and needs 35 plus gains elsewhere just to stand still. The chances are the Tories will get most seats; they could, just possibly, squeak an overall majority.

    The Tory campaign has been dreadful, but Dave is still favourite to be PM come June.

    Being excited by polls is part and parcel of being a PB Tory :)
    The most consistent poll finding is the LDs on 7-8, and with the lowest certainty to vote. This is about 1/3 of the 22% in 2010. No amount of personal vote will help in that tsunami.

    Jacks ARSE predicts 30, Newsnight 28, I tipped 28 a month ago, but now I am thinking SLAB type losses. Mid teens of seats most likely.

    And I am an LD member...
    LD will not get more than 22.Maybe, just maybe only 1 in Scotland [ I mean Kennedy ]. But SLAB could creep up to 16
    I'm going to go out on a limb here.

    LibDem wipe out in SW England (holding Yeovil, and maybe one or two others)
    And in SW London (holding maybe one seat there)

    But much better than anticipated results on Scotland (3 seats, Orkney, Viscount Thurso, one other)
    And where facing labour (Bradford East, Cambridge, Hornsey & Wood Green)


  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB

    3 more polls to go today

    ComRes/Phone for Mail at 10pm
    YouGov/Times Scotland at 10pm
    YouGov/Sun national at about 10.30

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Freggles said:

    What happened to Dan Hodges' game changing Tory tax announcement this week?
    Was he referring to the reheated stuff about the 40p rate or was it a Hodges special

    The Hodges works in mysterious ways.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB

    3 more polls to go today

    ComRes/Phone for Mail at 10pm
    YouGov/Times Scotland at 10pm
    YouGov/Sun national at about 10.30

    #SUperthursday
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/status/586253713825738753/photo/1

    Guardian taking a bit of a risk here given we have two polls to go today

    Guardian going to strongly endorse Labour this time round.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    I stand by my comment made last month that getting excited or downhearted over an opinion poll is the equivalent of cheering or booing a throw in at a football match

    Moronic behaviour. I suppose it is at least a little more bearable on here when they favour labour

    Come on Sam you were forgetting your debit card 3 digit code in your rush to get on at 40s with Betfair Labour :D
    Haha yeah playing the market!!

    That's fair enough but too many people see a poll that backs up their opinion (formed mainly by their partisan bias) and say 'this just confirms what I always said...'

    Them have to back away from their hyperbole the following day
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Oh dear - fibber...


    @TelegraphNews: Ed Miliband was dating senior BBC economics journalist Stephanie Flanders when he was at the Treasury http://t.co/qOF33fH33Q

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Miss Fitalass, as a chap not necessarily overweight, I'm more concerned by that dementia headline.

    It does sound interesting, but there are many confounding variables. Dementia is associated with other diseases of ageing, and many of these are associated with weight loss. So maybe being thin is a feature rather than a cause.

    Hand grip strength is one of the better predictors of dementia for much the same reason.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,393
    fitalass said:

    I wouldn't bother with the usual wings spin on this, I was actually around on twitter last night and saw this whole sorry but totally predictable nasty witch hunt unfold in real time. Didn't we see enough of this during the Independence Referendum?!

    Carnyx said:

    I haven't been around today. Have the nats here apologised for perpetuating the lies and bullying about that girl who asked the question in the scottish debate?

    Have a look at Wings over Scotland for a rather different story.



    That's right, it was and is an offence to question the Unionist Weltanschauung. Remember all the death threats against pro-indy supporters, and the physical attacks?

    What is so interesting about thw article by Wings - who always gives his, often Unonist, sources - is that you can see precisely such an anti=indy witchhunt, of the kind you rightly decry, develop in real time. How he got blamed personally for attacking a woman who was outed bu the LDs in the first place.


  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    What happened to Dan Hodges' game changing Tory tax announcement this week?
    Was he referring to the reheated stuff about the 40p rate or was it a Hodges special

    The Hodges works in mysterious ways.
    The fact that people pay him to think stuff, write it down, then share it with others, is further evidence that capitalism is broken.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    If Dan Hodges is right (Yes, I know, but bear with me a moment) this is helpful to the Tory campaign in the same way the YouGov outlier was helpful in the IndyRef campaign

    What Tory campaign?

    They've attacked Ed, announced some nonsense about porn and done a lot of puff pieces with Sam Cam...

    Is that a "campaign"? :smiley:

    Of course DH scores the campaigns so far 4-3 to the Tories LOL
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    :) Now what does this EICIPM mean, I get the Ed is crap bit?

    EICHAM - Ed is crap, has a majority
    EICNATS - Ed is crap, needs all the Scots

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    I stand by my comment made last month that getting excited or downhearted over an opinion poll is the equivalent of cheering or booing a throw in at a football match

    Moronic behaviour. I suppose it is at least a little more bearable on here when they favour labour

    Be fair, 3 good polls in a row must be the equivalent of a dangerous free-kick. They rarely go in, but the anticipation is there.

    Being 5% up in the exit poll is a penalty kick, presumably.
    Three good polls in a row is the equivalent of three successive throw ins!

    Yes maybe a penalty kick the exit poll you speak of... Maybe even a good lbw shout that was given out and gone to review!
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154

    Miss Fitalass, as a chap not necessarily overweight, I'm more concerned by that dementia headline.

    It does sound interesting, but there are many confounding variables. Dementia is associated with other diseases of ageing, and many of these are associated with weight loss. So maybe being thin is a feature rather than a cause.

    Hand grip strength is one of the better predictors of dementia for much the same reason.
    Strange as this sounds but my mother has dementia and has virtually no grip with her right hand but her left one can be so tight that it leaves bruise marks on my biceps.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    edited April 2015
    ARSE looking good!

    Believe BJESUS
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    fitalass said:

    :) Now what does this EICIPM mean, I get the Ed is crap bit?

    EICHAM - Ed is crap, has a majority
    EICNATS - Ed is crap, needs all the Scots

    Is Prime Minister
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534
    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    If Labour get in any position of power, interest rates will go up.

    The general population will not only face higher taxes from Labour, but also see their mortgages significantly cost more.

    Are they really that stupid?
  • marktheowlmarktheowl Posts: 169

    Interesting that it's leaked out that the Tories tried to organise a doctors' NHS letter, the words 'piss-up' and 'brewery' come to mind. Hopefully will be the end of letter writing from both parties, and they stop acting like 19th century simpering aristocrats and expressing everything through sodding letters.

    Dr David Wrigley @DavidGWrigley

    Good set of @guardianletters worried about the Tories record on NHS and supporting our letter earlier in week http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/09/righting-past-wrongs-nhs-reorganisation


    Dr Éoin Clarke @LabourEoin

    250 Fire Fighters sign a letter exposing Tory Cuts to Fire Services. Not a mention from BBC https://theutopianfirefighter.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/the-firefighter-letter/ … pic.twitter.com/dczltGGPMK

    You were saying ;-)
    Oh for God's sake, everyone knows fire fighters are fuming (pardon the pun) about cuts to the fire service, they may well be right, but it's hardly enlightening. Letters are the new petitions. Can we sign a letter advising silence on the part of 'Dr' Eoin Clarke I wonder?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    fitalass said:

    :) Now what does this EICIPM mean, I get the Ed is crap bit?

    EICHAM - Ed is crap, has a majority
    EICNATS - Ed is crap, needs all the Scots

    is Prime Minister
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    That Grauniad headline is pure hubris. Dewey beats Truman and all that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    What happened to Dan Hodges' game changing Tory tax announcement this week?
    Was he referring to the reheated stuff about the 40p rate or was it a Hodges special

    The Hodges works in mysterious ways.
    The fact that people pay him to think stuff, write it down, then share it with others, is further evidence that capitalism is broken.
    If it gets clicks....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    On 22 April last year YouGov had labour winning the euros
    On 11 May ICM had the Conservatives winning
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    @DJack_Journo: Friday's @TimesBusiness front: Sterling buffeted by fears for poll result. @thetimes http://t.co/L9nBboPwaK
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Foxinsox, ah, a very interesting point.

    Reminds me of university, and PMS [ahem, not first hand experience of course]. The signs include depression and insomnia, but depression's incredibly common and one of its most common results is insomnia, so the two things may be entirely unrelated to a lady's cycle.

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), unless that overlaps with the period during which he was courting his future wife, I don't think that'll really matter.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Dear, dear. A few Tory supporters have made themselves look a bit silly this afternoon. Threatening to leave the country, wanting to cash out their equities, railing against ignorant voters, and so on. And just because of two polls, one of which is a Panelbase!!!

    This election is close. Labour is facing wipeout in Scotland and needs 35 plus gains elsewhere just to stand still. The chances are the Tories will get most seats; they could, just possibly, squeak an overall majority.

    The Tory campaign has been dreadful, but Dave is still favourite to be PM come June.

    Being excited by polls is part and parcel of being a PB Tory :)
    The most consistent poll finding is the LDs on 7-8, and with the lowest certainty to vote. This is about 1/3 of the 22% in 2010. No amount of personal vote will help in that tsunami.

    Jacks ARSE predicts 30, Newsnight 28, I tipped 28 a month ago, but now I am thinking SLAB type losses. Mid teens of seats most likely.

    And I am an LD member...
    LD will not get more than 22.Maybe, just maybe only 1 in Scotland [ I mean Kennedy ]. But SLAB could creep up to 16
    I'm going to go out on a limb here.

    LibDem wipe out in SW England (holding Yeovil, and maybe one or two others)
    And in SW London (holding maybe one seat there)

    But much better than anticipated results on Scotland (3 seats, Orkney, Viscount Thurso, one other)
    And where facing labour (Bradford East, Cambridge, Hornsey & Wood Green)


    That is how it looks to me too. There may well be AudreyAnne type Tory gains.

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour to put up petrol taxes

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 38m38 minutes ago
    Harriet Harman opened up new attack line for Tories on LBC tonight- refused to rule out fuel duty hike. Labour raised 12 times before 2010

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    If Labour get in any position of power, interest rates will go up.

    The general population will not only face higher taxes from Labour, but also see their mortgages significantly cost more.

    Are they really that stupid?

    But increased interest GOOD NEWS for savers who have been stuffed rotten over past few years.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    When is ComRes's Tory lead coming out?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044
    Danny565 said:

    When is ComRes's Tory lead coming out?

    Expectations management? ;)
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    But increased interest GOOD NEWS for savers who have been stuffed rotten over past few years.

    Rubbish news for young, aspirational home owners though
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    If Labour get in any position of power, interest rates will go up.

    The general population will not only face higher taxes from Labour, but also see their mortgages significantly cost more.

    Are they really that stupid?

    They'll go up whoever wins the election.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Smithson, it's fair to say those who rely on savings have suffered since the credit crisis. On the other hand, the majority are elderly, and pensions have been largely protected.

    If interest rates rise and the economy tanks, and more austerity is needed (the edge unblunted by the blessed whetstone of growth) then we could have those who aren't reliant on savings having a recession, high [relatively] interest rates and cuts to the services they use, whilst pensioners may be seen to have it cushy.

    There's a risk of a significant chasm in the electorate, not on a left/right basis, but on a young/old basis.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    What happened to Dan Hodges' game changing Tory tax announcement this week?
    Was he referring to the reheated stuff about the 40p rate or was it a Hodges special

    The Hodges works in mysterious ways.
    The fact that people pay him to think stuff, write it down, then share it with others, is further evidence that capitalism is broken.
    I actually think Hodges is a pretty decent writer, and he can take some interesting and bold stances on some issues when he gets away from his niche of the last few years. It's just that he has established himself as that Labour(former Labour) chap who says the things Tories want to hear, and no-one can write that as many times as he has without getting ridiculous or repetitive. Crazy predictions, mysterious quotes and policy announcements claimed to have been heard, are ways to keep interest up I suspect.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Top Gear news [I know you're all interested]:
    Clarkson won't, it seems, present Have I Got News For You after all. And Sue Perkins is now favourite to replace him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591


    Clarkson won't, it seems, present Have I Got News For You after all.

    Boo. That would have been great fun.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    DH gives today to the Tories 5 to 3 now so far

    DH is very amusing
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    chestnut said:

    Labour to put up petrol taxes

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 38m38 minutes ago
    Harriet Harman opened up new attack line for Tories on LBC tonight- refused to rule out fuel duty hike. Labour raised 12 times before 2010

    Again, that is negative. The Tories need to have a positive vision for Britain, not just say, "well Labour would do this". That is not going to win them the election and get them to 36-38% they need to be the largest party.

    Mike has been flashing up warning signs for weeks that the Tories are not doing well enough in England to make it happen for them and they aren't painting a picture of what life under the Tories would be like from 2015-2020, just that it would be bad under Labour.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited April 2015

    Top Gear news [I know you're all interested]:
    Clarkson won't, it seems, present Have I Got News For You after all. And Sue Perkins is now favourite to replace him.

    And your thoughts on sue perkins,you can see mine down thread ;-)

    She's so bloody PC.

  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552

    Top Gear news [I know you're all interested]:
    Clarkson won't, it seems, present Have I Got News For You after all. And Sue Perkins is now favourite to replace him.

    Kennedy shot in Dallas.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    If Labour get in any position of power, interest rates will go up.

    The general population will not only face higher taxes from Labour, but also see their mortgages significantly cost more.

    Are they really that stupid?

    They'll go up whoever wins the election.
    Interest rates need to go up; and when they do it will be a long overdue sign that the economy is fixed and returning to normality.

    I note my UK stocks are at an all time high today...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,044

    DH gives today to the Tories 5 to 3 now so far

    DH is very amusing

    Im never sure, can I be a PB Tory and a PB Hodges at the same time? I know PB B***** is a banned phrase.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015

    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    If Labour get in any position of power, interest rates will go up.

    The general population will not only face higher taxes from Labour, but also see their mortgages significantly cost more.

    Are they really that stupid?

    But increased interest GOOD NEWS for savers who have been stuffed rotten over past few years.

    This is one of the most bizarre media claims that exists.

    Long term savers do not invest in cash, the interest rate is (virtually) irrelevant to them. Short term and cash savers do not really care whether their £10k makes an extra £10 over a couple of years or not. It;s meaningless to the average person.

    Even assuming that most people are "savers". The vast majority of working age people aren't even saving for pensions, let alone cash savings accounts. That died when middle incomes died during the mid 90s.
  • Speaking from a political betting point of view.

    An Ed Miliband government dependent on every vote on the Nats, whilst the Tories and Lib Dems have leadership elections would be the best thing ever.

    The FTPA buggered up the fun/betting on when the year of the next election betting.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,500

    Top Gear news [I know you're all interested]:
    Clarkson won't, it seems, present Have I Got News For You after all. And Sue Perkins is now favourite to replace him.

    The BBC can have Sue Perkins host Top Gear if ITV have Jim Davidson host Loose Women. ;-)

    It's not really a fit, is it? Imagine if they did a mashup of Top Gear and Great British Bake-off ...
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,569
    chestnut said:

    This is all very reminiscent of the Sunday before last.

    GIN1138 said:

    chestnut said:

    This is all very reminiscent of the Sunday before last.

    Clocks running down rapidly now though...

    Both comments are right, in my opinion. We don't have enough evidence yet that there has been a huge shift to Labour. And there doesn't need to be a huge shift to Labour for Labour to gain power in 4 weeks' time. A tie will do.

    What I think is noticeable in conversations at all levels is that Ed's stock is rising, and that's diminishing the "OMG you'd get Miliband" Tory argument.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Ishmael_X said:

    fitalass said:

    :) Now what does this EICIPM mean, I get the Ed is crap bit?

    EICHAM - Ed is crap, has a majority
    EICNATS - Ed is crap, needs all the Scots

    Is Prime Minister
    According to one regular poster!!
  • Eh_ehm_a_ehEh_ehm_a_eh Posts: 552
    Scott_P said:

    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    @DJack_Journo: Friday's @TimesBusiness front: Sterling buffeted by fears for poll result. @thetimes http://t.co/L9nBboPwaK
    Paging Sean T.
  • From the Pol Editor of the Mail, and someone who has seen the ComRes poll

    https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/586269299737763840
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited April 2015
    surbiton said:

    The Conservative message this week:

    Will not deny cuts in the 45% tax band.

    Supports non doms getting away with only £90k.

    Attacks Edward Miliband for "back stabbing" his brother. His Blairite brother apparently should have inherited the earth.

    Your usual drivel.
    We have the benefit of a fixed term parliament - even Ed Balls knew the date of polling day 3 months ago when he clearly said that it would be bad for the UK to abolish non dom status, ie not taxing people who come here from overseas on money they earn overseas. Bearing in mind that money might have already been taxed even the sole tame labour party 'expert' had to say it might actually cost the country money.
    Don't tell me you would not like to be rich enough to 'only' pay 90k in tax?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2015
    chestnut said:

    Labour to put up petrol taxes

    steve hawkes ‏@steve_hawkes 38m38 minutes ago
    Harriet Harman opened up new attack line for Tories on LBC tonight- refused to rule out fuel duty hike. Labour raised 12 times before 2010

    Wait, is this an attack on the Conservative fuel duty escalator?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Miss Fitalass, as a chap not necessarily overweight, I'm more concerned by that dementia headline.

    It does sound interesting, but there are many confounding variables. Dementia is associated with other diseases of ageing, and many of these are associated with weight loss. So maybe being thin is a feature rather than a cause.

    Hand grip strength is one of the better predictors of dementia for much the same reason.
    "Hand grip strength is one of the better predictors of dementia for much the same reason"

    In which way ? My father died last June, aged 90. He suffered from dementia for about the last 7/8 years. He was quite weak and fragile near the end.

    But an incredibly strong handshake !
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Scott_P said:

    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    @DJack_Journo: Friday's @TimesBusiness front: Sterling buffeted by fears for poll result. @thetimes http://t.co/L9nBboPwaK
    Paging Sean T.
    He could make £30k in one weekend by moving £50k.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Miss Fitalass, as a chap not necessarily overweight, I'm more concerned by that dementia headline.

    It does sound interesting, but there are many confounding variables. Dementia is associated with other diseases of ageing, and many of these are associated with weight loss. So maybe being thin is a feature rather than a cause.

    Hand grip strength is one of the better predictors of dementia for much the same reason.
    Really? I have an incredibly weak hand grip - the tight jar lid is the bane of my existence - I hope I have other factors which outweigh that.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Jessop, doesn't seem a fit to me.

    Mind you, whether Hammond and May stay matters quite a bit regarding who replaces Clarkson. If both of them stay, it should be someone if not Clarksonesque, at least blokey.

    If they all go, then they don't need 3 individual, they need 1 team (perhaps excepting Clarkson, none of the three presenters were especially big names prior to Top Gear).

    Mr. Johnno, must admit, I didn't see any of that comedy. Did see some trailers. Lots of comedy now (on TV) doesn't really entice me.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    One question for you, who actually went off and hunted for this wee lassie on twitter until they found her? And please stop trying to peddle the myth of death threats and physical attacks against pro-indy supporters every time the bad behaviour from cybernats is exposed as if it can somehow mitigate their bad behaviour now! As I pointed earlier in the thread, didn't we see enough of this behaviour during the Indy Ref? I wouldn't touch that Wings site with a barge pole.
    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:

    I wouldn't bother with the usual wings spin on this, I was actually around on twitter last night and saw this whole sorry but totally predictable nasty witch hunt unfold in real time. Didn't we see enough of this during the Independence Referendum?!

    Carnyx said:

    I haven't been around today. Have the nats here apologised for perpetuating the lies and bullying about that girl who asked the question in the scottish debate?

    Have a look at Wings over Scotland for a rather different story.



    That's right, it was and is an offence to question the Unionist Weltanschauung. Remember all the death threats against pro-indy supporters, and the physical attacks?

    What is so interesting about thw article by Wings - who always gives his, often Unonist, sources - is that you can see precisely such an anti=indy witchhunt, of the kind you rightly decry, develop in real time. How he got blamed personally for attacking a woman who was outed bu the LDs in the first place.


  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    FWIW I think LAB might have edged into the lead but I do notthink its 3,4 or 6.


    Maybe 1% IMO

    Still enough for EICIPM though
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Stephanie Flanders is on the front page of The Telegraph, surely not a kiss and tell story...
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,992
    Evening all :)

    So, four weeks tonight, will it be the end of Cameronism or the beginning of Milibandism ?

    We'll see...lots of excitement from the usual suspects and the usual over-reaction to polls from all and sundry. Not so long ago, the Conservatives led 36-32 in an ICM billed as "the most significant poll of the year".

    I don't share the view the sky will fall in under Miliband - it may not be as comfortable for some and it may be slightly better for others. We have operated an artificial monetary policy for some time under QE so a return to normality would mean interest rates rising from 0.5% but no one imagines that would happen too soon - next year perhaps.

    Unlike some, I'm not going to head for the hills or some other country if Labour get in or put all my cash under the mattress or on the favourite in the 3.30 at Lingfield.

    In any case, this election is an absurd distance from being won or lost.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Expecting some over excited Labour poll twitterers to go a bit quiet at ten.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Owls, but EICHAM or EICNATS?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    edited April 2015

    saddo said:

    The gilts market is starting to stutter.

    If Labour get in any position of power, interest rates will go up.

    The general population will not only face higher taxes from Labour, but also see their mortgages significantly cost more.

    Are they really that stupid?

    They'll go up whoever wins the election.
    Interest rates need to go up; and when they do it will be a long overdue sign that the economy is fixed and returning to normality.

    I note my UK stocks are at an all time high today...
    Did you say last night Jacks ARSE was looking good?

    Is you DH?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    Dear, dear. A few Tory supporters have made themselves look a bit silly this afternoon. Threatening to leave the country, wanting to cash out their equities, railing against ignorant voters, and so on. And just because of two polls, one of which is a Panelbase!!!

    This election is close. Labour is facing wipeout in Scotland and needs 35 plus gains elsewhere just to stand still. The chances are the Tories will get most seats; they could, just possibly, squeak an overall majority.

    The Tory campaign has been dreadful, but Dave is still favourite to be PM come June.

    Being excited by polls is part and parcel of being a PB Tory :)
    Absolutely! I still recall with unfaded joy those evenings on here during the run up to the 2010 election:

    Wibbly wobbly Tory bottoms!

    Cameron. Promise an EU referendum. NOW.

    Osborne has to go.

    That Michael Crick really is a ...
    The Tories didn't win in 2010. They do not have a majority. If Dave had axed George in favour of Ken or Hammond they would have eked over the line with ~330.
    Yes they do. That it happens to include Lib Dems is beside the point. Winning is about ending up in power; not with most votes, not with most seats and not necessarily with a majority.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Stodge, those two options are the same thing.

    I think Miliband's ruthless but weak, not unlike Honorius.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole · 2 mins2 minutes ago
    Expecting some over excited Labour poll twitterers to go a bit quiet at ten

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    fitalass said:

    One question for you, who actually went off and hunted for this wee lassie on twitter until they found her? And please stop trying to peddle the myth of death threats and physical attacks against pro-indy supporters every time the bad behaviour from cybernats is exposed as if it can somehow mitigate their bad behaviour now! As I pointed earlier in the thread, didn't we see enough of this behaviour during the Indy Ref? I wouldn't touch that Wings site with a barge pole.

    What, you prefer the French or Norwegian model for collaborators ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    #Super Thursday part 2 coming up !
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    dr_spyn said:

    Stephanie Flanders is on the front page of The Telegraph, surely not a kiss and tell story...

    Milibands girlfriend 10 yrs ago it seems
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Milibands girlfriend 10 yrs ago it seems

    Old news, surely?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Guardian seems to be suffering from premature poll-jacuation
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole · 2 mins2 minutes ago
    Expecting some over excited Labour poll twitterers to go a bit quiet at ten

    Comedy Results.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    surbiton said:

    The Conservative message this week:

    Will not deny cuts in the 45% tax band.

    Supports non doms getting away with only £90k.

    Attacks Edward Miliband for "back stabbing" his brother. His Blairite brother apparently should have inherited the earth.

    Your usual drivel.
    We have the benefit of a fixed term parliament - even Ed Balls knew the date of polling day 3 months ago when he clearly said that it would be bad for the UK to abolish non dom status, ie not taxing people who come here from overseas on money they earn overseas. Bearing in mind that money might have already been taxed even the sole tame labour party 'expert' had to say it might actually cost the country money.
    Don't tell me you would not like to be rich enough to 'only' pay 90k in tax?
    Ed Balls did NOT clearly say that it would be bad for the UK to end non dom status . The Conservative edited video of his only suggested that it COULD cost the UK treasury some money .
    I know truth and yourself are strangers but you cant get away with it on here .
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    RobD said:

    Todays Survation - EICIPM

    We need a distinction between an EICIPM minority government, and EICIPM majority government. Any ideas?
    well as all the lefties told us the Tories actually lost the last election (and MaxPB on this thread), a minority government is EICLEIPM and a majority would be EICWEIPM.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole · 2 mins2 minutes ago
    Expecting some over excited Labour poll twitterers to go a bit quiet at ten

    Why the f*ck is he on the embargo list and Tissue Price and Pong aren't !
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