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  • Ed just collapsed on the worm to below Farage
    What did he do?

    Blow a kiss at Nicola??
  • I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2015
    Is Farage getting all UKIP /racist.. surprise surprise,,...
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    They clapped Wood saying Farage should be ashamed of himself
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Ed a bit more impassioned.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    dr_spyn said:

    why was there clapping - was it for Farage or Wood?

    I assume for Farage... but Farage is scoring very, very poorly on the worm.
  • Farage has tanked on the Sun worm after his HIV attack
  • Are his HIV stats true or not? If they are, then it's a perfectly reasonable point to raise.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956

    No profits in the NHS?

    Yes that idea is bollocks, unless the government is going to produce everything used by the NHS. Judging by what I saw in the ambulance and in A&E on Tuesday evening a lot of big companies are making a lot of money supplying the NHS.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Sturgeon coming in on Betfair.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Stafford.

  • dr_spyn said:

    why was there clapping - was it for Farage or Wood?

    Wood
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Farage sweating like a rapist and getting increasingly desperate. All he is doing now is teeing it up for the others. I's a game of "I want to go next after Farage says something outrageous".
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    edited April 2015
    I've finally cracked it, Ed is the bastard child of Hughie Green.

    "We really mean it folks"
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited April 2015
    Farage is just a pub bore.. let him speak.. he will be seen for what he is.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Leanne and I agree from Cameron!!!
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Mid Staffs drinking from water vase myth.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Blueberry said:

    William Hill ‏@sharpeangle 3m3 minutes ago
    To win Debate?(ComRes poll); 8/13 Farage;7/2 Cameron;6 Miliband;12 Clegg;12Sturgeon;33Wood;50 Bennett.#leadersdebate

    Not sure Farage is doing quite *that* well. However, I'd agree Bennett is doing poorly.

    surely if the worm actually reflects peoples responses to the candidates then these odds are all over the place.
    "We use a cutting edge analysis tool that captures and measures honest and uncensored Twitter conversations.

    By combining measures of volume of tweeting and sentiment, it generates a positive and negative score that can be tracked in almost real time and retrospectively."

    make of that what you will.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    edited April 2015
    Green book on Betfair :D +0.30 Farage +3.82 the field +355.78 Bennett xD
  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29
    HIV? What is the problem with lorry drivers?
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Are his HIV stats true or not? If they are, then it's a perfectly reasonable point to raise.

    Either you think HIV victims coming here is an imposition or not, the exact numbers won't change many minds
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP
    The BNP made up 2% of the total number of votes in the last election. I am sure there are better targets.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP
    And the WWC.

    I'm a Kipper and I really don't like the way he is performing here.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Sturgeon now 2nd fav
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    dr_spyn said:

    why was there clapping - was it for Farage or Wood?

    Wood
    Absolute certainty.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Ed Miliband is getting fired up over Mid Staffs attack
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I can't see how Sturgeon could win under the polling format, she'd need to romp it unanimously amongst non partisans.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Farage drifting - now 1.9
  • No wonder Carswell has been avoiding Farage and UKIP this week. He knew this vileness was coming.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Miliband is getting away with his NHS Wales record.

    BTW remember there's a ~5 minute delay on Sun Worm.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    MikeL said:

    Sturgeon now 2nd fav

    MikeL said:

    Sturgeon now 2nd fav

    She's far far too short now. She was 20/1 minutes ago.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Artist said:

    I can't see how Sturgeon could win under the polling format, she'd need to romp it unanimously amongst non partisans.

    Or supporters with partisanly say she's come number 1.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    As a supporter of a Labour led government I was hoping UKIP would take a chunk of Tory votes but looks like that ship has sailed
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    Emma's through.
    Ranvir's through.
    Mark's out.
    Lin's out.

    Fair result.

    What should I live blog now? The Twilight Saga: breaking dawn Pt 2?
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    I thought the NHS was meant to be a vote winner for labour. Ed doing worse everyone apart from Farage on this
  • @GaryLineker: Always reluctant to offer a political view, but Farage is a dick!
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Emma's through.
    Ranvir's through.
    Mark's out.
    Lin's out.

    Fair result.

    What should I live blog now? The Twilight Saga: breaking dawn Pt 2?

    Spoiler alert!!!!
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    It's an entertaining format but very hard to moderate and very hard to really distil winners and losers
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    BenM said:

    Mid Staffs drinking from water vase myth.

    It comes from the Healthcare Commission report and was endorsed by the Francis inquiry. some myth.

    Mid Staffs, Wales, weaponise. This is a disaster for ed - losing on the NHS. Again.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Cameron was very frustrated that Ed shoved the last word in there. We might get a flashman moment if this continues
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Immigration next. I think Farage thought the last two questions were on that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    Pulpstar said:

    Green book on Betfair :D +0.30 Farage +3.82 the field +355.78 Bennett xD

    Scary as it is - I think your Bennett bet might be a good one...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Dave, Ed and Nick getting more time.

    Is this the GB wide major party status kicking in?
  • Jug ears Lineker speaks for a nation
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    It's an entertaining format but very hard to moderate and very hard to really distil winners and losers

    You mean your man is getting stuffed.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On the second round it was more balanced with no clear winner, but one clear loser, Farage.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Ed's mugging up on immigration.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Nothing great from anyone.

    Clegg the calmest and coolest.

    Farage just looks ill...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Dave did very well on the NHS I think. Better than Ed.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    MikeL said:

    Sturgeon now 2nd fav

    MikeL said:

    Sturgeon now 2nd fav

    She's far far too short now. She was 20/1 minutes ago.
    High heels might help
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Ed did really well then.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP

    I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP
    Yes. And I worry he might lose us BOO'ers the EU referendum vote with that approach.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,859
    Glad I decided not to watch. It seems Nigel has blown it. What a great, great pity.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Immigration next. I think Farage thought the last two questions were on that.

    He's burst his bubble. He's used immigration for the last two and now the immigration topic is toxic for him.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    This is entertaining stuff. Shame Dave will want to torpedo it if he gets a next time
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Dair said:

    Farage sweating like a rapist and getting increasingly desperate. All he is doing now is teeing it up for the others. I's a game of "I want to go next after Farage says something outrageous".

    Please don't use that expression please Adair.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    IOS said:

    Ed did really well then.

    IOS said:

    Ed did really well then.

    repeat ad nauseam if it makes you feel better./
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    I've got my money on Nicola but I think Natalie is shading it. Farage is losing it now. His petticoat is finally showing and it's not a pretty sight.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Ed just collapsed on the worm to below Farage
    What did he do?

    Blow a kiss at Nicola??

    Rubbish on the NHS. His strongest subject. Dave probably shaded the argument vs Ed, but Sturgeon was the most impressive overall.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    Speedy said:

    On the second round it was more balanced with no clear winner, but one clear loser, Farage.

    Farage is clearly more stressed than he ought to be, he looks under-prepared, while Milliband looks like he's spent the last two weeks in debate camp.

    But the debate is a completely ridiculous format - lots of shouting, hard to see it shifting many votes.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    So far, Wood is winning the debate.
    PB did a prophesy on Wood winning this and it's becoming real.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    The problem for Farage and UKIP is that they think immigration is a problem when the problem is multi-culturalism. They just sound stupid about it because they are too stupid to understand the basic argument.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Ed did really well then.

    :)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,913
    Speedy said:

    On the second round it was more balanced with no clear winner, but one clear loser, Farage.

    I think Farage is doing quite well.

    Policy aside I'd go LD, PC, UKIP, and then I can't decide about the others. The SNP are on the wire though, and I've no idea what English hatred may do for them.

  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    edited April 2015
    RodCrosby said:

    Nothing great from anyone.

    Clegg the calmest and coolest.

    Farage just looks ill...

    Too many pre match G&T's? Reading the comments your belief Farage, is an impediment to Ukip, has been vindicated.

    Edit, bugger, saw the avatar and mistook you for Richard T.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Here comes the ugly question.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    It's an entertaining format but very hard to moderate and very hard to really distil winners and losers

    You mean your man is getting stuffed.
    Not really. My politics are basically anti tory so I have 6 horses to your 1
  • Grandiose said:

    Are his HIV stats true or not? If they are, then it's a perfectly reasonable point to raise.

    Either you think HIV victims coming here is an imposition or not, the exact numbers won't change many minds
    Clearly it is a burden (acceptable or otherwise) but if he were significantly exaggerating the cost then that would be unreasonable (and subsequently jumped on with glee by the fact checkers).

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Should be a difficult issue for Cameron.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Let's all laugh at ed's dog-whistling.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    The fuddy duddies getting their knickers in a twist about Farage.
    Gratifying.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    For those who aren't extremists watching the debate I think Farage is looking poor, but for those who aren't watching the debate I think Farage attacking HIV patients is the clip from this relatively boring debate that will be shown on News Highlights/Facebook/Gogglebox etc

    It's the "Hell yeah!" so far from this debate.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Just the back prices

    Farage 1.87
    Cameron 6.0
    Miliband 14.0
    Clegg 16.0
    Sturgeon 5.2

    Sturgeon doing very well. Disaster for Miliband - according to Betfair.
  • FYI - If Nicola performs like this in the 5 way debate in a fortnight, then Labour are going to be absolutely hammered in Scotland in May.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Ed is still playing the "if i'm PM", he's not running for president.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Going to be tough for Ed and Dave here.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,859
    edited April 2015
    Dair said:

    The problem for Farage and UKIP is that they think immigration is a problem when the problem is multi-culturalism. They just sound stupid about it because they are too stupid to understand the basic argument.

    Farage understands this very well.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648

    For those who aren't extremists watching the debate I think Farage is looking poor, but for those who aren't watching the debate I think Farage attacking HIV patients is the clip from this relatively boring debate that will be shown on News Highlights/Facebook/Gogglebox etc

    It's the "Hell yeah!" so far from this debate.

    I think it was an excellent point - and was the first line Farage delivered without looking stressed and overly excited.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Leanne Wood: more immigration is required to bring further enrichment to the country.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Freggles said:

    This is entertaining stuff. Shame Dave will want to torpedo it if he gets a next time

    Since he won't stand for a 3rd term he will not be having to worry about this indeed Sturgeon is probably the only one that will be be around in 5 years time if Cameron is still PM after the election
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    The fuddy duddies getting their knickers in a twist about Farage.
    Gratifying.

    He's been way OTT so far
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Big picture - hard to see this moving many votes.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    Grandiose said:

    Emma's through.
    Ranvir's through.
    Mark's out.
    Lin's out.

    Fair result.

    What should I live blog now? The Twilight Saga: breaking dawn Pt 2?

    Spoiler alert!!!!
    Spoiler alert: The Twlight Saga is a load of ****. I don't care who blooming well wins; werewolves or vampires: they should just get a sodding room and get on with it. The fans would love that.

    Oh, they did. And the bas*ard lovechild was Fifty Shades of Grey.

    And Mrs J is making me watch this. Could I use this in a divorce court as cruel and unusual punishment? Or would the fact the alternative's the debate temper that argument?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Roger said:

    I've got my money on Nicola but I think Natalie is shading it. Farage is losing it now. His petticoat is finally showing and it's not a pretty sight.

    BenM said:

    Here comes the ugly question.

    How ungallant of you...
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    This is quite dull.

    However, Farage looks really rough. Remind me how old he is - 60's?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    Jack

    "Dave, Ed and Nick getting more time."

    It's not helping them. The women are walking away with it.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    MikeL said:

    Big picture - hard to see this moving many votes.

    The most I could see is maybe Plaid Cymru gaining some votes.

    Sturgeon is done extremely well but the SNP are surely at their ceiling anyway. Bennett has been a bit of a non-factor.
  • I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP

    I'm not sure foreigners with HIV on the NHS is quite the right tone for Farage.

    He's not attempting to woo sensible, moderate Con to UKIP switchers like you anymore.

    He's going for Nick Griffin's mob.

    No wonder Britain First are backing UKIP
    Yes. And I worry he might lose us BOO'ers the EU referendum vote with that approach.
    Agreed-and you can be sure that I will be pushing that point VERY strongly over the next 5 weeks on the door step.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Farage is going to overreach in 3,2,1...
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    The problem for Farage and UKIP is that they think immigration is a problem when the problem is multi-culturalism. They just sound stupid about it because they are too stupid to understand the basic argument.

    Farage understands this very well.

    Then he doesn't express it well.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Women rule ok. They are nailing it
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    This is quite dull.

    However, Farage looks really rough. Remind me how old he is - 60's?

    He's Nick Clegg's age.
  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29
    Farage on fire
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Roger said:

    Jack

    "Dave, Ed and Nick getting more time."

    It's not helping them. The women are walking away with it.

    So, it is helping one of them.

    You just have to work out the long game.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Speedy
    "Ed is still playing the "if i'm PM"......"

    Word pairing, they all do it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    Farage is much better on the EU and immigration.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Farage managed to control himself more there.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    I never thought I'd hear myself saying this.. I thought Cameron came across better on immigration than Farage.
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