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  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    Though Sturgeon did well. Worst was Cameron.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    JGC said:

    so the BBC news leads with ED M attacking DC over the NHS, cue tory howls......

    Next they will be going to twitter to give us a demographically balanced score card of who won.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    SLAB are going to get slaughtered by an SNP led by Sturgeon, aren't they?

    They really are. 55% is possible.
    Do you think the influx of Labour supporters it will pull them too far to the left?
    Officially yes. But in power they will continue with very centrist, very liberal, very effective government. They have a rock solid Leadership Group and it's not one person - they just put the most attractive communicator as a figurehead.
    Hilarious.
    So the SNP do not believe democracy then? Have you been telling your news to the new members /voters?
    Of course no one else can criticise this solid leadership group now can they?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956

    Most landlords would love 3 year deals, as long as the terms were the same for all parties. Not sure I'd want to commit to 3 years as a tenant.

    I can't help but think Ed's going to destroy a lot of jobs with his ZHC plans, and mess up the rental sector. Nothing he proposes ever seems to have considered the potential downsides.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Peter Kellner saying at 50% of poll done Sturgeon narrowly leads Farage Ed and David are fighting over 3rd
  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29
    thought Clegg bit disappointing.
  • Plato said:

    Was it my imagination or did EdM also say he'd bring in 3yrs tenancies as well instead of 1yrs ones?

    I thought all short hold tenancies were 6 months - I can't think of anything worse than a 3yrs one.

    Freggles said:

    Not sure ZHC is the vote winner Ed thinks it is

    He has, and most tenants do not want 3 year deals.
    Most landlords would love 3 year deals, as long as the terms were the same for all parties. Not sure I'd want to commit to 3 years as a tenant.
    No the Landlords would not.
    Agreed -tenants are not keen either.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I think I am going to bed.. twitter should be ignored, worms ignored, post debate polls ignored.. in fact the debates should be ignored..

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    ITV leading with Farage HIV spat and immigration heated debate.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    BBC news a nightmare for Cameron.

    Cue the conspiracy theories.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    Farage number one for 'likes', but will have lots of 'unlikes'.
    Clegg the one who outperformed expectations most.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Clegg wins for me, his attack on Miliband was brilliant, I hope it brings some Lib Dems back into the fold.

    Leanne Wood was impressive,for Farage it was the much cliched game of two halves. Cameron did well too but Ed was as bad as his supporters must have feared, really terrible.
  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29
    Sturgeon very polished, Mill bit weird.
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Won't make the slightest difference.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    JGC said:

    so the BBC news leads with ED M attacking DC over the NHS, cue tory howls......

    But Cam getting a much better chunk of the main report.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    I didn't watch (so genuine question), but anybody think in 1-2 weeks people will remember anything in particular people said?

    Sounds like Farage did what I said he would, say something that the BBC / Guardian axis will be in uproar about but his target demographic will not mind at all.

    The rest sounded like just lots of noise.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    ComRes call it for Alanbooke

    malkcolmG accepts Salmond is a prat
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: YouGov Times poll - who won:
    Sturgeon 28.1%
    Farage 20.3%
    Cameron 17.6%
    Miliband 14.8%
    Clegg 10.4%
    Bennett 4.7%
    Wood 4.2%
    sample 1,1117
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Win for Nicola with YouGov.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,648
    Sturgeon's accent her greatest asset.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Clegg and Sturgeon were the winners for me. Sadly (for me) I had managed to trade myself into a crap position on Sturgeon at the end. Her odds never drifted out again.

    Oh well.
  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29

    I didn't watch (so genuine question), but anybody think in 1-2 weeks people will remember anything in particular people said?

    no, make zero difference.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Francis

    They will remember Frage and aids. Thats about it.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Miliband needs to change tactic.

    "Vote Labour and we will back Nicola Sturgeon as PM" (I know she isn't going to be an MP but still).
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    SNP GAIN Manchester Central
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    YouGov (winner):

    DC 18
    EM 15
    NC 10
    NF 20
    NB 5
    NS 28
    LW 4

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    No one bar us anoraks

    I didn't watch (so genuine question), but anybody think in 1-2 weeks people will remember anything in particular people said?

    Sounds like Farage did what I said he would, say something that the BBC / Guardian axis will be in uproar about but his target demographic will not mind at all.

    The rest sounded like just lots of noise.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Sturgeon wins!

    Cam beats Miliband!

    Cam happy with that.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    Very good debate. All did well. My favourite was Nicola. My least favourite Cameron
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    tlg86 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    One for the train fans, West Coast Railway Co banned from Network Rail, could stop most steam charter trains for next 2 months.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-32167724

    I would question the last paragraph's accuracy.

    Blooming heck, that's serious, especially the bit about NR not being happy with the company's response to the incident.

    It also highlights a well-known issue with AWS.

    As an old friend would have said: this is what happens if you let children play on the grown-up's railway. Perhaps a tad unfair, but understandable.
    Oh no! I've just booked my parents on the Jacobite. I hope this is all cleared up before the end of May, but Network Rail have to put safety first.
    This was almost bound to happen. I read accident reports (yes, I'm that sad), and some of the smaller operators have had a few problems recently. For instance this overspeed and SPAD:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/410723/130916_R162013_Stafford.pdf

    I hope it all gets cleared up in time for your parents' trip.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,963
    My electricity cut out for the first hour of the debate, so watching it on +1 now. From what I have seen of the first hour the format helped Cameron a little in that he was able to position himself between Sturgeon/Bennett/Miliband/Wood saying he was cutting too much and Farage saying he was cutting too little. Clegg was OK but the format did not really help him differentiate himself much from Cameron
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    MikeL said:

    YouGov (winner):

    DC 18
    EM 15
    NC 10
    NF 20
    NB 5
    NS 28
    LW 4

    Bugger.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    new thread

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Lab 270 seats
    SNP 55 seats
    Baroness Sturgeon to Lords as PM
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    My ranking - Sturgeon, Miliband, Clegg, Cameron, Farage, Wood, Bennett
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HuffPostUKPolitics ‏@HuffPostUKPol 1m1 minute ago
    YouGov poll
    Debate Result: Sturgeon wins
    Cameron: 18%
    Miliband: 15%
    Clegg: 10%
    Farage: 20%
    Bennett: 5%
    Sturgeon: 28%
    Wood: 4%
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    SLAB are going to get slaughtered by an SNP led by Sturgeon, aren't they?

    They really are. 55% is possible.
    Do you think the influx of Labour supporters it will pull them too far to the left?
    Officially yes. But in power they will continue with very centrist, very liberal, very effective government. They have a rock solid Leadership Group and it's not one person - they just put the most attractive communicator as a figurehead.
    Hilarious.
    So the SNP do not believe democracy then? Have you been telling your news to the new members /voters?
    Of course no one else can criticise this solid leadership group now can they?
    I'm not a member of the SNP.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    edited April 2015

    I didn't watch (so genuine question), but anybody think in 1-2 weeks people will remember anything in particular people said?

    Other than Farage's comment about health tourism and HIV I suspect not.
  • IOS said:

    BBC news a nightmare for Cameron.

    Cue the conspiracy theories.

    There is no theory-just a bleeding obvious observation to be made watching a summary of an event that was broadcast live.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Suprised Sturgeon polled so high. An excellent result for Nige and a poor result for the metropolitan elite.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    BBC calling it for ED!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ComResPolls: Cameron, Miliband, Farage tie. Exclusive final snap verdict for @ITVNews #LeadersDebate
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Sturgeon was 20/1 with Coral a week ago.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    BBC News doing their bit, but Cameron looks what he is, the Prime Minister.

    Miliband splendidly irrelevant, but BBC trying to talk him up - obviously they need the money.
  • FattyBolgerFattyBolger Posts: 299
    dave stabilising sane centre righties

    farage stabilising wwc

    neither lost a vote tonight

    leftie vote can only fragment,
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    The audience lost. 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    No one really blew it. Clegg was best from technical debating point of view. Farage a demented pub bore obsessed with AIDS spreading immigrants.
  • JGCJGC Posts: 64
    ICM say 50:50 between ED M and DC
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited April 2015
    Sounds like Crosby will be pleased...a mucky 7 way, Ed got nothing and the Brucey bonus of Labour's big rivals in Scotland were the winners while Farage did fine and Cameron escaped in the middle of the pack.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    1047 comments!

    I wonder what we reached on SIndy night?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Chesnut goes in with the conspiracy theory.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ComResPolls: Full @ITVNews snap verdict for #leadersdebate PERFORMED BEST
    21% Cam
    21% Mili
    9% Clegg
    21% Farage
    5% Bennett
    20% Sturgeon
    2% Wood
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    BBC to pro Ed :-) :-) LOL!!!
  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29
    any mentioning of welfare cuts? no
  • did Ed sum up well or badly?

    His worm looks like it needs some V!agra.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Everyone wins then?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: Yougov numbers are not netted by people who found them worst... sturgeon 28, Farage 20, cam 18, Mili 15
  • JGCJGC Posts: 64
    ICM call it for ED M
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    EDW2000

    YES! The BBC just showed Sturgeon monster Cameron!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Ed Milibands concedes the debate

    "F=k I'm crap I wish I was Alanbrooke, I'm going back to dicking poodles "

    You are slightly wrong there... Ed is the poodle being dicked
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    IOS said:

    BBC calling it for ED!

    Dolly Parton sleeps on her back!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,963
    OKC/Manchester Curt Selective areas like Bucks actually have above average GCSE results overall, and selection does not just have to be at 16, most grammar schools have sixth form entry and Finland selects at 16
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I wonder if the Conservatives need to drop their Labour will be backed by the SNP line. While I wouldn't want either, quite frankly I'd rather the SNP than Labour and it looks after tonight that I might not be the only one.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Sturgeon a worthy winner.

    Obviously it means it was a good debate for the SNP - and so bad for Labour in Scotland.

    Otherwise not sure it means a lot? Maybe UKIP less likely than before to get more than 1-2 seats?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    EPG said:

    Lab 270 seats
    SNP 55 seats
    Baroness Sturgeon to Lords as PM

    While that might work constitutionally, it would result in Nicola being throw out of the SNP :)
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    Sounds like Crosby will be pleased...a mucky 7 way, Ed got nothing and the Brucey bonus of Labour's big rivals in Scotland were the winners while Farage did fine and Cameron escaped in the middle of the pack.

    This. I think Cammo will be very happy.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Plato

    'I thought all short hold tenancies were 6 months - I can't think of anything worse than a 3yrs one.'

    Yes, the minimum is 6 months.

    Under Ed's plan the landlord will be stuck with the tenant for 3 years but the tenant can walk at anytime,so completely one-sided.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    After the Cleggasm....perhaps a Sturgeon Surge?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    ITV only reporting the ComRes poll.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Even the Daily Mirror don't appeared to have watched the debates :-) Front page of lottos winners and EastEnders....I mean I would have at least thought they would have called it for Ed as "breaking news".
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Itv call it for Dave, Ed and Nige.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @FrancisUrquhart
    Wouldn't that be Sturgeon spawning?...

    :)
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    Cringe - ITV doing poll of 15 random people.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Weird Gogglebox-type thing on ITV News.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    john_zims said:

    @Plato

    'I thought all short hold tenancies were 6 months - I can't think of anything worse than a 3yrs one.'

    Yes, the minimum is 6 months.

    Under Ed's plan the landlord will be stuck with the tenant for 3 years but the tenant can walk at anytime,so completely one-sided.

    How does that work? Surely what's good for the goose should be good for the gander, it should be the same for both.

    ITV News doing a weird sort-of-Gogglebox thing. Not very entertaining, not news. Stupid.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Nigel loves a conspiracy as well.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    These sofa pops are just so bad

    Cringe - ITV doing poll of 15 random people.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @stjohn

    'Sturgeon a worthy winner.'

    Probably cost Labour a few more seats in Scotland.
  • JGCJGC Posts: 64
    So the Guardian & BBC call it for Ed, ITV call a score draw and Yougov for Nicola S. Liberal conspiracy :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Edit.....sorry spoke too soon...breaking news from the Mirror...

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/583739751200641024
  • Plato said:

    Was it my imagination or did EdM also say he'd bring in 3yrs tenancies as well instead of 1yrs ones?

    I thought all short hold tenancies were 6 months - I can't think of anything worse than a 3yrs one.

    Freggles said:

    Not sure ZHC is the vote winner Ed thinks it is

    The typical assured shorthold tenancy is 6months. They can be any length up to 3 years after which the legal position changes. I've had 1 year ones in the past and have just started a 2 year renewal of a 2 year tenancy, but then i have an agreeable landlord and we have an agreed notice period if either party needs to break early after a minimum period.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    new thread
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Ed was meant to be show up by these debates and the campaign and yet he is WINNING THEM!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    IOS said:

    Chesnut goes in with the conspiracy theory.

    I'm guided by Roger, Surby and several other Labour supporters salivations over the delectable Mrs Sturgeon.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    glw said:

    I didn't watch (so genuine question), but anybody think in 1-2 weeks people will remember anything in particular people said?

    Other than Farage's comment about health tourism and HIV I suspect not.
    I did not realise that you could catch HIV from a traffic jam on the M4. Is it now official... no one understands the strange things going on in Farage's head.
    Never mind the ukip vote nationally, will this motivate tactical votes in Thanet South?

  • EDW2000EDW2000 Posts: 29
    1. Sturgeon
    2. Farage
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    SLAB are going to get slaughtered by an SNP led by Sturgeon, aren't they?

    They really are. 55% is possible.
    Do you think the influx of Labour supporters it will pull them too far to the left?
    Officially yes. But in power they will continue with very centrist, very liberal, very effective government. They have a rock solid Leadership Group and it's not one person - they just put the most attractive communicator as a figurehead.
    Hilarious.
    So the SNP do not believe democracy then? Have you been telling your news to the new members /voters?
    Of course no one else can criticise this solid leadership group now can they?
    I'm not a member of the SNP.
    And how many cheerleaders for the Dallas Cowboys come from Dallas?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Philip_Thompson

    'How does that work? Surely what's good for the goose should be good for the gander, it should be the same for both.'

    It's completely one-sided in favor of the tenant, likewise maximum annual rental increases will be tied to the consumer price index.So if Labour $uck the economy and mortgage interest rates rocket or you receive a massive maintenance bill bad luck., there's nothing you can do about it.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Even the Daily Mirror don't appeared to have watched the debates :-) Front page of lottos winners and EastEnders....I mean I would have at least thought they would have called it for Ed as "breaking news".

    They wrote their headline 2 weeks ago anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    So whats the Yougov order
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    IOS said:

    Ed was meant to be show up by these debates and the campaign and yet he is WINNING THEM!

    I used to think you were trolling, I now realise I was wrong, you are just utterly, utterly, clueless.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    isam said:

    Shame tomorrow is Good Friday as I am going out tonight for a beer whereas I would normally be all over a bit of Thursday night political tv..

    Especially as..

    Was ScottP's reply to my challenge of a bet on Farage being in the debates last January

    Wow. Good thing you didn't get all bitter and twisted about it, obsessing for months...

    I was wrong.

    Enjoy your night.
    Didn't think you would be able to admit it without a dig

    What you reap...
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited April 2015
    Watching Sky now on streaming. Why does Liz Truss have Something About Mary hair?

    Was that Humza Yousaf she was talking to?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    SLAB are going to get slaughtered by an SNP led by Sturgeon, aren't they?

    They really are. 55% is possible.
    Do you think the influx of Labour supporters it will pull them too far to the left?
    Officially yes. But in power they will continue with very centrist, very liberal, very effective government. They have a rock solid Leadership Group and it's not one person - they just put the most attractive communicator as a figurehead.
    Hilarious.
    So the SNP do not believe democracy then? Have you been telling your news to the new members /voters?
    Of course no one else can criticise this solid leadership group now can they?
    I'm not a member of the SNP.
    And how many cheerleaders for the Dallas Cowboys come from Dallas?
    I believe in Scottish Independence. That doesn't make me an SNP supporter. I would and do vote for them regularly. In 2016 my list vote will be Green to get more pro-Independence MSPs.

    I'm sure that American's Team are all very supportive of America.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    edited April 2015
    Test
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