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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Cameron doing OK.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Everyone versus Cameron. Yet to be seen whether thar works for him.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Cameron coming under heavy fire tonight
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Toms said:

    Marf's somewhat right listening on 5 live at least. Full marks to the MC, however.

    What's cutting the debt in half mean when it has nearly doubled?

    http://www.debtbombshell.com/


    debt <> deficit

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644
    Farage is not having a great debate...
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Farage is doing well.
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Farage will get a lot of votes for this.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Farage on Scotland - fantastic!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    And Paul's out!

    Big shock!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    rcs1000 said:

    Farage is not having a great debate...

    Freggles said:

    Farage is doing well.

    IOS said:

    Farage will get a lot of votes for this.

    Who says there aren't a broad range of opinions on PB :-)
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    Miliband is getting it from the minor parties now, as I expect the Tories hoped he would.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2015
    Yes, better for Cam than Ed. Reason:

    Cam is speaking far more. Ed is doing OK but he's just churning out the same stuff as all the others (except Farage).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644

    Farage's odds have massively shortened on Betfair. Touching 1.4

    I am no Milliband fan; but I think he's easily winning this, and I think Farage may end up below Clegg.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    rcs1000 said:

    Farage is not having a great debate...

    Freggles said:

    Farage is doing well.

    IOS said:

    Farage will get a lot of votes for this.

    Who says there aren't a broad range of opinions on PB :-)
    The point is he is delighting the demo - the people who matter to Ukip's vote.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:

    IOS. Shameless but Cameron is definitely trailing and it's largely thanks to the fifth columnist Clegg

    Roge,

    just dicking two babes in a threesome in downtown Ludlow, could you lay off the posting as it's a bit distracting, Will catch up later lots of luv.

    ta

    Alanbrooke xxx
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766

    I'm not watching but I can't work out from the commentary on here whether it's great entertainment or dull.

    It's so so so boring. Dullest thing on tv in a long time. No idea who's winning or losing. Farage probably best but he looks ill & sometimes that's what counts.

    About to switch off & watch Masterchef. Suspect most of Britain doing likewise.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Sturgeon losing the plot!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Ed plummetting on the Worm after Sturgeon's attack.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    I hope people don't buy this anti-austerity rubbish.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Sun Nation worm is basically "f##k the lot of them".
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Wood coat-tailing Nicola very nicely there, helping both, hurting LibLabConKip.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    And Paul's out!

    Big shock!

    Paul?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Debate highlighting how stunted our national conversation is and skewed to unrepresentative minority Tory opinion.

    More people want failing austerity ended and this shows it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Sky News just cut out!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,710
    Cameron has a patient, temper and confidence problem when it comes to debates. Lucky for him he looks and sounds very Prime Ministerial.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Bennett speaking slowly - makes more impact.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Anyone else feel like when Nathalie speaks everyone is just awkwardly ignoring her and wondering why she is there?
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Bennett doing well according to the BBC worm
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Sun Nation worm is basically "f##k the lot of them".

    All except the ladies.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,710
    Betfair seems to think Farage has knocked this out the park. Only guy I lose money on. Damn.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    The women of the debate are winning this by a mile.
    They look cool and sound reasonable while the men are all shouting at each other.

    Problem is they're all strange-talking foreigners...
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    BenM

    Cameron might regret demanding this is stuffed with left wing alternatives.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    This back and forth is far more entertaining now, its starting to work as a debate.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644
    Sun worm is not good news for Farage...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Sturgeon fluent in nonsense re growth, what will promote growth? Spending heavily on welfare doesn't address the problem and she knows it.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Cameron look uncomfortable.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Surely the odds on Farage are way too short.
  • Artist said:

    I hope people don't buy this anti-austerity rubbish.

    I fear they will. there are more anti than pro voices.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Cameron is getting haggis thrown on his face
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    If ONLY Sturgeon was Labour leader.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,710
    MP_SE said:

    Surely the odds on Farage are way too short.

    He is. But Betfair love him. I'm topping up on Miliband and Cameron, constantly.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    edited April 2015
    Cameron nul points. He's being screwed. Miliband also nul points. Farage is depressingly good as is Natalie.
  • EastwingerEastwinger Posts: 354
    When does the lady come round with the choc ices.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Farage needs to talk about something else than foreign aid and EU
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Cam shortens - in to 5.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928

    Betfair seems to think Farage has knocked this out the park. Only guy I lose money on. Damn.

    The point is that there is a section of the electorate that doesn't have anyone else batting for them. Other than maybe Cameron who sounds like he's being pummeled.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    Artist said:

    I hope people don't buy this anti-austerity rubbish.

    I fear they will. there are more anti than pro voices.
    Yet Cameron looks like the unified right wing candidate.

    Nobody agrees on here do they!
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    I can't quite work out how a country so massively in debt can " end austerity". Borrow more? It's like going to the CAB for debt advice because you owe so much money and them telling you the way forward is "fuck it borrow more money"
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    I think Bennett's ok. Perhaps she's not particularly numerate?
    I must admit that that was something that set Thatcher apart: she was numerate and had a decent basic knowledge of science.

    Mostly we just have leaders who are etiolated classicists and hardly know one end of a screwdriver from the other.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    This was the first question?
    Half an hour for one question?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688

    rcs1000 said:

    Farage is not having a great debate...

    Freggles said:

    Farage is doing well.

    IOS said:

    Farage will get a lot of votes for this.

    Who says there aren't a broad range of opinions on PB :-)
    Interesting that none of them are UKIP supporters and the one who is most sympathetic to UKIP usually on here is the one who thinks Farage is doing worst. Doesn't bode well for UKIP.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Roger said:

    Cameron nul points. He's being screwed.

    Glad you said that, you never called anything right, being a hypocrite clouds your judgement.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    I think you've got to remember subliminals as some are. If 6 people attack 1 the subliminal is that the 1 is the real leader. It's how selection conferences for leaders work.

    Probably best to step back and avoid the froth. Wait 2, 3, 4 days then see how the land lies.

    But I'm out. It's so boring.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    Cameron lost the first round badly.
    The ladies won it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Speedy said:

    This was the first question?
    Half an hour for one question?

    Four questions I think.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    BenM said:

    Debate highlighting how stunted our national conversation is and skewed to unrepresentative minority Tory opinion.

    More people want failing austerity ended and this shows it.

    It highlights how skewed the panel is, Ben.

    Wood, Bennett, Sturgeon - three percenters.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Speedy said:

    This was the first question?
    Half an hour for one question?

    Yes it is a 2 hour program with only 4 questions
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    Why is this debate being run by a dental hygienist?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    edited April 2015
    Speedy

    Cameron really should be winning the first round when its on the deficit
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Farage playing a 12% core vote strategy. Not looking good for him just recycling the usual buzzwords. Nicola strolling it. Wood surprisingly good.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Only another 90 mins to go lads....

    Not bothering with anymore of this rubbish
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Artist said:

    I hope people don't buy this anti-austerity rubbish.

    They will because people are stupid.
    This "debate" is bollocks. Hopefully there's a Top Gear repeat on somewhere.
  • It's amazing how often Sturgeon can trot out the "we pay more taxation revenues than the rest of the UK" line without anyone pointing out that we also receive far more in spending. In 12 of the last 16 years we've had a larger deficit than the rest of the UK (and those are the figures published by the Scottish government).
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    MP_SE said:

    Surely the odds on Farage are way too short.

    He is. But Betfair love him. I'm topping up on Miliband and Cameron, constantly.
    They both look like real good value.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Speedy said:

    Cameron lost the first round badly.
    The ladies won it.

    Not according to Betfair.

    He's solid 2nd favourite at 5.2.

    Mili 9.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Huge win for Farage.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Farage looking sweaty.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483

    And Paul's out!

    Big shock!

    Paul?
    I'm simu-blogging the only thing worth watching on TV at the moment: Masterchef.

    The judges are last year's final three, including the lovely Ping. Could be a tough crowd.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Cameron's big question. He needs to come out fighting on the NHS.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Farage with the highest ratings so far with his answer on nhs
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Not convinced fillet of pork is special enough to get through to the next round
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323

    rcs1000 said:

    Farage is not having a great debate...

    Freggles said:

    Farage is doing well.

    IOS said:

    Farage will get a lot of votes for this.

    Who says there aren't a broad range of opinions on PB :-)
    Interesting that none of them are UKIP supporters and the one who is most sympathetic to UKIP usually on here is the one who thinks Farage is doing worst. Doesn't bode well for UKIP.
    For me (as a Tory) I think this is a UKIP core (predominantly exTory) vote. He's given up on Scotland and Im not sure the NHS is enough.

    Sturgeon is my winner so far
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015
    Well, this will be a test of whether "centre ground" actually exists. Miliband has literally been in the centre of the two "extremes" on spending in this debate. Could be that he seems the most "in line" with Joe Public, but my prediction is he'll be dismissed as not saying anything very strong or distinctive atall.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Bennett quietly impressing me. Cameron just looks petulant. Farage not quite impressing like I thought he might. Clegg doing Ok..
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Nicola's face is orange whilst the her neck is white and her dress is orange.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Casino

    "Betfair seems to think Farage has knocked this out the park."

    I'm afraid they're right. No wonder Cameron was scared of him.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,956
    currystar said:

    I can't quite work out how a country so massively in debt can " end austerity". Borrow more? It's like going to the CAB for debt advice because you owe so much money and them telling you the way forward is "fuck it borrow more money"

    Indeed, it is blindingly obvious that at least five of the people on stage — and Clegg is wobbling — are peddling a fantasy.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Green party are nuts.

  • I cant watch the TV but from the worm Ed just tanked and Surgeon soared???
    Cameron up and down a lot-but he is getting some high peaks.

    Bennett seems to be doing well.

    Is this a fair reflection??
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    In the real world an outline agreement has been reached with Iran about its nuclear programme.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Greens digging a whole, huge huge commitments, but no ideas on how to address them.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    I think Cam will be happy so far.

    Main reason - Farage isn't dominating massively. Farage may win the post debate polls but he's not getting a knock-out.

    Cam is sweeping up all the Centre Right, responsible vote.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    IOS said:

    Speedy

    Cameron really should be winning the first round when its on the deficit

    He was attacked by everyone on all fronts and he clearly looked very stressed by the barrage.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    dr_spyn said:

    Greens digging a whole, huge huge commitments, but no ideas on how to address them.

    Feels like a balloon waiting to pop.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    I don't know if Bennett can win this but 150-1 is a bit long.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Bennett quietly impressing me. Cameron just looks petulant. Farage not quite impressing like I thought he might. Clegg doing Ok..

    Bennett is barking mad whatever she says tonight.. think about previous interviews.. would you want a loon like that influencing Govt???????
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Artist said:

    Could be a long night for Cameron if even Clegg is picking him first.

    Or will people feel sorry for him?

    Are people allowed to feel sorry for tories?

  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642


    Green party are nuts.

    Two of my friends who were considering voting for them have said the same thing. One is now voting the Labour the other noone.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    glw said:

    currystar said:

    I can't quite work out how a country so massively in debt can " end austerity". Borrow more? It's like going to the CAB for debt advice because you owe so much money and them telling you the way forward is "fuck it borrow more money"

    Indeed, it is blindingly obvious that at least five of the people on stage — and Clegg is wobbling — are peddling a fantasy.
    Austerity is a fantasy.

    "Paying down debt" is a fantasy.

    Study some macro economics and find out why.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    Bennett quietly impressing me. Cameron just looks petulant. Farage not quite impressing like I thought he might. Clegg doing Ok..

    Seriously? Bennett is coming across as a proper loony lefty.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Leanne is a hottie
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    glw said:

    currystar said:

    I can't quite work out how a country so massively in debt can " end austerity". Borrow more? It's like going to the CAB for debt advice because you owe so much money and them telling you the way forward is "fuck it borrow more money"

    Indeed, it is blindingly obvious that at least five of the people on stage — and Clegg is wobbling — are peddling a fantasy.
    The key question is will the British people believe the fantasy
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    MikeL said:

    I think Cam will be happy so far.

    Main reason - Farage isn't dominating massively. Farage may win the post debate polls but he's not getting a knock-out.

    Cam is sweeping up all the Centre Right, responsible vote.

    Right now Cameron stands as the only pro-austerity candidate. He will do very well with the 45% of the country that think we need it.
  • In the real world an outline agreement has been reached with Iran about its nuclear programme.

    Now that IS important and if true bodes well on many fronts.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    One Tory.
    Two Liberals.
    Four Socialists.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Saltire said:

    Speedy said:

    This was the first question?
    Half an hour for one question?

    Yes it is a 2 hour program with only 4 questions
    A true debate only askes one question. That's why it's a debate.
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    BenM said:

    glw said:

    currystar said:

    I can't quite work out how a country so massively in debt can " end austerity". Borrow more? It's like going to the CAB for debt advice because you owe so much money and them telling you the way forward is "fuck it borrow more money"

    Indeed, it is blindingly obvious that at least five of the people on stage — and Clegg is wobbling — are peddling a fantasy.
    Austerity is a fantasy.

    "Paying down debt" is a fantasy.

    Study some macro economics and find out why.
    What's your suggestion then?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2015
    MikeL said:

    I think Cam will be happy so far.

    Main reason - Farage isn't dominating massively. Farage may win the post debate polls but he's not getting a knock-out.

    Cam is sweeping up all the Centre Right, responsible vote.

    I joined late so it may have already been covered but immigration is not an area I see Dave doing well in.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Q3 will be immigration

    Q4 is constitution - ie EU, Scotland
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't know if Bennett can win this but 150-1 is a bit long.

    7 runners, doesn't that mean a place bet on 2 for each way?
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