Labour's campaign team has been exposed as being useless - they very nearly lost this. What on earth makes you think that they can turn that round to win a General?
Sorry I am a tory but that is ridiculous. Labour has run 2 campaigns in tandem. They have run BT reaching well outside their comfort zone into tory territory and they have run a Labour campaign to keep their traditional vote onside at the same time. And they have won.
One of the professionals I was out with tonight made the comment that this campaign has been about the Labour party in Scotland teaching a new generation of tories how to fight an election and I for one think there is a lot of truth in that.
Thanks, David. I lost my very talented marginal seat organiser for 3 months to the Scottish effort and I'd be sorry to hear she'd been wasting her time!
Any news whether Tories are using Merlin software or is it still in the garage?
We have had to help out a very long standing friend today by trying to get the relevant information and advice on this very issue. When he and his whole family turned up to vote at their local polling station in Edinburgh today, one of his children ( a first time voter), found that their name had already been scored out as having voted already.
Labour's campaign team has been exposed as being useless - they very nearly lost this. What on earth makes you think that they can turn that round to win a General?
Sorry I am a tory but that is ridiculous. Labour has run 2 campaigns in tandem. They have run BT reaching well outside their comfort zone into tory territory and they have run a Labour campaign to keep their traditional vote onside at the same time. And they have won.
One of the professionals I was out with tonight made the comment that this campaign has been about the Labour party in Scotland teaching a new generation of tories how to fight an election and I for one think there is a lot of truth in that.
Thanks, David. I lost my very talented marginal seat organiser for 3 months to the Scottish effort and I'd be sorry to hear she'd been wasting her time!
I was out this afternoon with a Labour staff member who was catching the late train back to London. Labour have pulled the stops out for this but a lot of the paddling have been under the water as they obviously did not want to highlight the contribution being made from south of the border. No doubt your organiser is an example of this.
When I was out on Saturday handing out Labour leaflets it was the only time that the Yes campaign was challenged in the streets in the whole campaign. Many voters said to me that "at last you are handing out the right material". It was certainly a lot better received than the BT stuff which is why I was happy to hand it out.
What SLAB have finally learned in this campaign is that the SNP are the enemy, not the tories. If they accurately and properly focus their efforts on the SNP I would expect a Labour victory in the next Scottish elections.
Morning everyone! I decided to work late in the lab - just in case I have to get up late tomorrow - or is it later today LOL!
Have I missed any results?
Inadvertently, due to staying in Birmingham tonight, I caught the penultimate train from Coventry which happened to go via Stechford to Aston to Perry Bar to Soho depot and back round to New Street. Nearly doubled the journey time but pleased I managed to do this rare route
Welcome Sunil!
No results yet but plenty of rumour.
Gordon Wilson on BBC Parliament / BBC Scotland now.
Thanks Hunchman! Looks like turnout will handsomely exceed my 81.56% prediction!
Labour's campaign team has been exposed as being useless - they very nearly lost this. What on earth makes you think that they can turn that round to win a General?
Sorry I am a tory but that is ridiculous. Labour has run 2 campaigns in tandem. They have run BT reaching well outside their comfort zone into tory territory and they have run a Labour campaign to keep their traditional vote onside at the same time. And they have won.
One of the professionals I was out with tonight made the comment that this campaign has been about the Labour party in Scotland teaching a new generation of tories how to fight an election and I for one think there is a lot of truth in that.
Thanks, David. I lost my very talented marginal seat organiser for 3 months to the Scottish effort and I'd be sorry to hear she'd been wasting her time!
Why the F weren't you in Scotland, for the last four weeks??
He cares about Scandinavia not the UK
And he believes in referendums everywhere except UK. Even if he put it in his manifesto.
Labour have thrown the world at this. For a long long time now. Fair play to Cameron and Clegg though. They basically accepted the Labour line that we should take the lead and they should assist.
Cameron and Clegg put their egos behind them and fair play to them for that.
Why the F weren't you in Scotland, for the last four weeks??
Maybe NPXMP bought the new BBC mantra: we care more about Burundi than Birmingham (sic) - so let's say Blantyre (Sco not Malawi!).
Or perhaps he has to earn a living, he is not an MP at present!
Yep. Got five weeks' leave and am saving them for April/May. Going to Broxtowe at weekends works - going to Glasgow wouldn't. I'm not convinced I'd have done more good in Scotland.
In any case, Sean, as you were reminding me a few hundred times, I had a word with two Labour MPs 6 months ago and they said it'd be fine. You seemed a bit nervous for some reason? :-)
Or the ballots have just been put on the table in bundles and have not been sorted yet. The tables will have YES & NO ready for when they start to get counted.
Sky coverage starting to resemble paint drying [yawn]
We could do with a result now. It's getting to that part of the night where we need some information to keep us going..
Its a more generic problem with Sky. Give them an outside broadcast and they flog the issue to death. It doesn't matter if its disaster's, war's or politics. They'll end up dissecting the hairs on flies leg if they get a chance. They are basically just practised at producing mind numbingly boring mediocre TV News!
FACTS ==== Turnout in Dundee 78.8% Alan Roden @AlanRoden 43s says turnout at Clackmannanshire is 88.6%. Total ballots 35,411. Orkney declaration 83.7% turnout. BBC reporting 93.5% postal votes returned Mid Lothian
RUMOURS (AndyJS figures in brackets for comparison) ================================= BBC Better Together Confident in South Ayrshire they have taken it (AndyJS: 56.96-43.04 NO) ITV Yes confident of victory in Dundee (AndyJS: 53.3-46.7 YES) Ruth Davidson says Borders 70%+ for No (AndyJS: 69.51-30.49 NO) sKY says 12.45am for the first result - N Lanarkshire Alan Roden @AlanRoden · 3m says Aberdeenshire looking 60-40 to No (AndyJS: 51.81-48.19 NO) ITV Says Edinburgh 70-30 so far for NO (AndyJS: 56.23-43.77 NO) Steven Hope? Tweets expects North Lanarkshire to be 52 - 48 YES (AndyJS: 50.23-49.77 No) STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote (AndyJS: 53.19-46.81 NO) BBC saying NO has probably won Falkirk (AndyJS: 51.22-48.78 YES)
Why the F weren't you in Scotland, for the last four weeks??
Maybe NPXMP bought the new BBC mantra: we care more about Burundi than Birmingham (sic) - so let's say Blantyre (Sco not Malawi!).
Or perhaps he has to earn a living, he is not an MP at present!
Yep. Got five weeks' leave and am saving them for April/May. Going to Broxtowe at weekends works - going to Glasgow wouldn't. I'm not convinced I'd have done more good in Scotland.
In any case, Sean, as you were reminding me a few hundred times, I had a word with two Labour MPs 6 months ago and they said it'd be fine. You seemed a bit nervous for some reason? :-)
Hah. As I am in a benign British mood - anticipating a possible victory (Deus Vult) - I will let that go for now, even though I was clearly right about Labour complacency. And PROVEN right.
Anyway. It's not over yet. But if NO wins, I will be happy: I'd far rather Labour wins in 2015 - and you win in Broxtowe - than my country is broken up forever.
You would do well to try and understand, rather belatedly, this patriotic mindset, as it is shared by the majority of Britain's 40-50 million voters.
Arrrhhh bless, James Kelly, many of old timers will remember from endless posting on this subject (before being banned by OGH), is still spinning on his blog for Yes, apparently the YouGov isn't as bad news as could be...poor man, years building up to today, 1000's of posts on here and his blog (mainly about how everybody his against him) and it is all going horribly wrong.
We have had to help out a very long standing friend today by trying to get the relevant information and advice on this very issue. When he and his whole family turned up to vote at their local polling station in Edinburgh today, one of his children ( a first time voter), found that their name had already been scored out as having voted already.
Arrrhhh bless, James Kelly, many of old timers will remember from endless posting on this subject (before being banned by OGH), is still spinning on his blog for Yes, apparently the YouGov isn't as bad news as could be...poor man, years building up to today, 1000's of posts on here and his blog (mainly about how everybody his against him) and it is all going horribly wrong.
The low turnout in Dundee may indicate that not as many newly registered voters have actually voted compared to the hopes of the Yes campaign. Will be interesting to see the turnout for Glasgow in case there is a similar number.
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The BF 90-95% band (odds between 13/1-20/1) maybe worth a saver for anyone who wants to cover their bets, going by the clackmannanshire result.
His manner is grim though.
When I was out on Saturday handing out Labour leaflets it was the only time that the Yes campaign was challenged in the streets in the whole campaign. Many voters said to me that "at last you are handing out the right material". It was certainly a lot better received than the BT stuff which is why I was happy to hand it out.
What SLAB have finally learned in this campaign is that the SNP are the enemy, not the tories. If they accurately and properly focus their efforts on the SNP I would expect a Labour victory in the next Scottish elections.
Yes 115
No 145
30 - Too horny to reply.
2 - you're just kinda very wrong.
Labour have thrown the world at this. For a long long time now. Fair play to Cameron and Clegg though. They basically accepted the Labour line that we should take the lead and they should assist.
Cameron and Clegg put their egos behind them and fair play to them for that.
twitter.com/sn0ut/status/512746150315581440/photo/1
You could keep the Barnett formula but change the numbers that go into the formula!!!
LOL!
Still think that YES will end up below 45%, because according to most polls, Women have not been persuaded on independence.
BBC parliament seems have a different BBC Scotland programme, with more info being given.
In any case, Sean, as you were reminding me a few hundred times, I had a word with two Labour MPs 6 months ago and they said it'd be fine. You seemed a bit nervous for some reason? :-)
Fascinating.
Flemish nationalists putting candles by the Saltire on the streets of Brussels tonight - amazing and very touching.
We have lost Dundee but it is a lot closer than Yes ever thought it could be.
You could have had a cup of tea in a Scottish pub.
Lab 753 UKIP 339 LD 233 Ind 193 Con 90
Previous result 2013 Lab 741 Ind 496 Ind 360 LD 145 Con 54 Green 40
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DECLARATION TIMES
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http://www.cityam.com/1411025376/when-will-scottish-independence-referendum-vote-be-announced-declaration-times-local
ANDYJS'S SPREADSHEETS
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fBxvVgbyO_msx2eJxVbUlh6MubdD4-fZ-UIBFkwNIaI/htmlview?usp=drive_web
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WX0VkvxhGdACIr4FYUue_Cryk6JNRg743gsgoETYtw0/htmlview?usp=drive_web
YOUGOV's EXIT-ISH POLL
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46% Yes 54% No
http://t.co/huG6uJFiJG
FACTS
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Turnout in Dundee 78.8%
Alan Roden @AlanRoden 43s says turnout at Clackmannanshire is 88.6%. Total ballots 35,411.
Orkney declaration 83.7% turnout.
BBC reporting 93.5% postal votes returned Mid Lothian
RUMOURS (AndyJS figures in brackets for comparison)
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BBC Better Together Confident in South Ayrshire they have taken it (AndyJS: 56.96-43.04 NO)
ITV Yes confident of victory in Dundee (AndyJS: 53.3-46.7 YES)
Ruth Davidson says Borders 70%+ for No (AndyJS: 69.51-30.49 NO)
sKY says 12.45am for the first result - N Lanarkshire
Alan Roden @AlanRoden · 3m says Aberdeenshire looking 60-40 to No (AndyJS: 51.81-48.19 NO)
ITV Says Edinburgh 70-30 so far for NO (AndyJS: 56.23-43.77 NO)
Steven Hope? Tweets expects North Lanarkshire to be 52 - 48 YES (AndyJS: 50.23-49.77 No)
STV reporting that North Ayrshire should be more than 55% in favour of a Yes vote (AndyJS: 53.19-46.81 NO)
BBC saying NO has probably won Falkirk (AndyJS: 51.22-48.78 YES)
GBP/USD
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1.00 GBP = 1.64319 USD (Mid-market rates: 2014-09-18 23:49 UTC, 00.49BST)
1.00 GBP = 1.63973 USD (Mid-market rates: 2014-09-18 21:17 UTC, 22:17BST)
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=GBP&To=USD
Where, she doesn't say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWQFZ7Lx-rg
If NO win, will he be back?