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  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Don't count on it. If it's a no tonight I'd put money on there being another vote in the next 30 years or so.

    If the UK leaves the EU in 2017 then there will be huge pressure to have another vote very soon.

    If UK stays then 18 years seems like a reasonable timeframe.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheScreamingEagles
    Not a Tories chance in Govan. "Yes" and "No" are pretty well sick of it, and would lynch anyone who suggested it in the next 30 years.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    I would not be surprised to find out that the FX guys had conducted their own private polling on the indyref

    Follow the Cable (GBPUSD) action here:

    http://www.forexfactory.com/market.php

    Its as good as anywhere.

    Kirsty Wark showing her pro-Labour bias on Newsnight with lavish praise of Gordon Brown - aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    davidthe consays - ''Don't forget at least 40-45% of the Scottish population will hold a massive grudge''

    Well no. You could argue about a third of that is just idealistic (Scotlands history is of an independent country joining a larger one - with which it shared a monarch in a union) and a third plain misguided and too young to think straight whilst a third, of the 45%, are maybe anti English bigots.
    But in return for that we see lots of spoutings from anti Scottish bigots. All pretty pathetic really.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    RodCrosby said:

    anyone get on at 15? Lol...

    15.5, traded out again at 12.5
  • If anyone's not seen Gordon Brown's final contribution,it marks him as outof the wild
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 10m
    We only tweet credible rumours. If they fit in with the psephological estimates, we'll tweet. If the rumours are tosh, we won't.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    I'll be dead or senile, I won't give a monkeys either way.
    Sooner than that. The last one was 17 years ago, then 18 years before that....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Private Eye point the finger of blame at Better Together's 'New Labour' campaign director, claiming that their Glasgow HQ was bailed out by a Downing Street organised 'business onslaught'.
    When involving a New Labour man in a campaign post 1997 has resulted in people liking them?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That makes a LOT of sense. The Shock & Awe campaign against Yes by businesses had CCHQ written all over it.

    Private Eye point the finger of blame at Better Together's 'New Labour' campaign director, claiming that their Glasgow HQ was bailed out by a Downing Street organised 'business onslaught'.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,120
    It has just been pointed out to me that my turnout figures will be excluding the postal votes. The area I was in was probably "older" than average. Maybe there was more postals?
  • Turnip vindaloo
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    SeanT said:

    There is no fucking way the Scots will want to go through this for 20 years. Plus, within a decade yer oil's gone.

    Sorry.
    I'm being all PB tonight and feeling the need to confirm my call - I reckon within the decade, at the least 20.

  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    RodCrosby said:

    Sooner than that. The last one was 17 years ago, then 18 years before that....
    Yikes!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Would that include converting tens of thousands out of Sterling last week?
    Are we talking about Sean "Panic" T ?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Unless the electorate has increased to 4.8 million (and its about 500,000 short of that) it doesn't even deserve an increase of 1 seat
    I'm probably missing something but the referedum electorate includes 16 year olds - is this not a factor?
  • KevinKevin Posts: 19
    edited September 2014
    DanSmith said:

    If the UK leaves the EU in 2017 then there will be huge pressure to have another vote very soon.

    If UK stays then 18 years seems like a reasonable timeframe.
    There's a fair chance Scotland and rUK will vote differently on BREXIT. Crisis one way or another.
  • Saltire said:

    BBC Parliment has the BBC Scotland coverage rather than Edwards,Robinson,Vine etc for a somewhat more informed view

    Thanks for the tip. Have swapped to BBC Scotland on BBC Parliament and its much better!
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Ha!

    Yes won the ground war my Arse! You don't win a ground war on the fecking twitter!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,179

    Private Eye point the finger of blame at Better Together's 'New Labour' campaign director, claiming that their Glasgow HQ was bailed out by a Downing Street organised 'business onslaught'.
    Yup the polls turned in favour of No when the Tory big business cronies turned up to the fight and scared off women and enough younger voters. I don't think the devo-max offer really shifted too many votes.
  • DavidL said:

    Yes that is really weird. It is possible that turnout was very high in certain areas but as I say the polling station I was at was pretty typical. May have had a slightly higher student population than some but not as big as others.

    My guess is that turnout forecasts will edge down from current projections but if that is going to happen it should happen soon.
    DavidL said:

    Echoing other posters... Well done David, fantastic work. Very proud to have you as a fellow countryman.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,738
    God Betfair is great for making money.

    Cant see any point cashing out on No to win.

    I am less sure about 45.01 to 50%.

    Tempted to take 18% profit but also would love to leave it as pretty confident 2.3 was a cracking bet on this band
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Did I hear 89.6% turnout in Edinburgh? (Sky)
  • Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 25s

    Prof John Curtice: Postal vote turnouts - as of this morning 95% in East Lothian had been returned, 93% in South Ayrshire & 95% in Dumfries
  • Sky needs to reduce their number of ad breaks - it is making their coverage almost unwatchable
  • No doubt that SW London client of Hills will be round at the betting shop in the morning with his over-size wheelbarrow.
    (Btw in case you were wondering, it wasn't me!)
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    LOL

    I mean he could have written his views in Swahili and posted them to Anchorage Alaska to be read out in by a mute husky. Brave doesn't describe it.

    Alternatively he could have said what he thought a week ago in front of the press and possibly boosted yes.
    I know,today was a media black,out, brave of andy,he should have done it at least a couple of days ago.

  • I'm probably missing something but the referedum electorate includes 16 year olds - is this not a factor?
    Indeed there are over 100,000 16-18 years olds registered so its 600,000 plus short then!
  • @DavidL - Echoing other posters... Well done David, fantastic work. Very proud to have you as a fellow countryman.
  • Huw Is keen to know what is going on at some of the counts.

    Me too, Huw, me too.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    MaxPB said:

    Yup the polls turned in favour of No when the Tory big business cronies turned up to the fight and scared off women and enough younger voters. I don't think the devo-max offer really shifted too many votes.

    The polls never turned in favour of NO, they had a huge lead a few months ago and it got whittled down.

  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    BBC reporting is soporific. I will give Sky a go.

    Are there no exit polls on turn out?
  • RodCrosby said:

    Did I hear 89.6% turnout in Edinburgh? (Sky)

    For postal votes...
  • Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole 7m
    Reminded that YouGov were 14% out at the last referendum (AV)
  • I'm really looking forward to Labour wheeling out Gordon Brown as their 'secret weapon' in May 2015.

    Anyone of sound mind would lock the man up in the attic again, not promote him as our saviour and remind everyone about him.

    I'm really looking forward to Labour wheeling out Gordon Brown as their 'secret weapon' in May 2015.

    Anyone of sound mind would lock the man up in the attic again, not promote him as our saviour and remind everyone about him.

    He will counter the Tory lie machine.National debt 1.5 trillion.1 million at foodbanks.You Tories are bound to lose.
  • RodCrosby said:

    Did I hear 89.6% turnout in Edinburgh? (Sky)

    You Did

    Mark White ‏@skymarkwhite 9s

    @SkyAndyHughes: 89.6% turnout in Edinburgh” Incredible #indyref
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    hunchman said:

    Follow the Cable (GBPUSD) action here:

    http://www.forexfactory.com/market.php

    Its as good as anywhere.

    Kirsty Wark showing her pro-Labour bias on Newsnight with lavish praise of Gordon Brown - aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!
    You mean she praised the Man who saved the Union ?
  • rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    In the event of a no vote

    FIVE STEPS TO A NEW UK CONSTITUTION.
    1.Devo Max powers(hereafter called domestic powers) agreed for Scotland.
    2.Same (domestic ) powers devolved to English, Welsh and Northern Ireland Parliaments.
    3 Agreement that MP’s can only vote in their own Parliaments.
    4.Small elected second chamber for non domestic UK issues such as defense ,foreign affairs, financial security, UK transport infrastructure.
    5.English parliament decides on plan for devolution of powers to local government.
  • For postal votes...
    I thought it was the lot? Jim Murphy on Sky saying "very large NO vote" in East Renfrewshire.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,586
    SeanT said:

    There is no fucking way the Scots will want to go through this for 20 years. Plus, within a decade yer oil's gone.

    Sorry.
    Indeed

    This is prime territory for nats

    scot nat government
    millionaire backers
    still some oil
    meh central government
    crap unionist politicians
    naive electorate
    nats set all the questions

    How can it get better ?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BBC coverage far too sedate. I've got to watch it unfortunately, being abroad, unless there's some way of getting Sky overseas.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,179
    edited September 2014
    JBriskin said:

    Yeah cus the young ones love business cronies.

    No but they do want jobs working for high profile multinationals,
  • mjtmjt Posts: 33
    MaxPB said:

    Yup the polls turned in favour of No when the Tory big business cronies turned up to the fight and scared off women and enough younger voters. I don't think the devo-max offer really shifted too many votes.

    It's been a case study in how dirty a referendum on the UK leaving the EU would be.

  • @DavidL - Echoing other posters... Well done David, fantastic work. Very proud to have you as a fellow countryman.

    Hear, hear. He has done a fantastic job. I don't share his politics, but I too am proud to call him my fellow countryman.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,090
    edited September 2014
    The Nats have gone very quiet...read in to that what you will....tipping point?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Indeed

    This is prime territory for nats

    scot nat government
    millionaire backers
    still some oil
    meh central government
    crap unionist politicians
    naive electorate
    nats set all the questions

    How can it get better ?
    They only have to get lucky once, Alanbrooke.

  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Why weren't the Tories smart enough to sell the gold off in about 1980-1982 when it was $700?
    It was a very quick spike high at $875 in January 1980, in fact the price doubled from being at $400 in early November. And I expect a similar blowoff top in gold at a bit over $5,000 as a hedge against the global sovereign debt crisis which should start in earnest from October next year. Governments follow the people, the mass sentiment on markets is always wrong. You won't find one example in history where government has sold oil / gold or some other commodity reserves at a market top. It just doesn't work out that way once you understand how mass sentiment and markets work!
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Dam right it was down to the Labour party! We have sent a load of resources for ages to Scotland!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    The Nats have gone very quiet...read in to that what you will....tipping point?

    I haven't,as a English nat.

  • Hear, hear. He has done a fantastic job. I don't share his politics, but I too am proud to call him my fellow countryman.

    Not true. You share some of his politics tonight.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    If Edinburgh is 89.6% overall would imply 90%-ish nationwide. Edinburgh was fractionally below the average in 1997...
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    The Nats have gone very quiet...read in to that what you will....tipping point?

    I'm sure Mick Pork is chortling away somewhere out there.

  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525

    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick 25s

    Prof John Curtice: Postal vote turnouts - as of this morning 95% in East Lothian had been returned, 93% in South Ayrshire & 95% in Dumfries

    If all the postal returns are similar then maybe the odds of a +90% overall turnout look appealing?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    MaxPB said:

    No but they do want jobs working for high profile multinationals wanker.
    Well apparently they were voting No from the start - which I found a bit strange - if you can't be a nationalist when you're young when can you be??

    Multinational just means more than one country - Briskin For The Lurkers!!!!!!

  • AndyJS said:

    BBC coverage far too sedate. I've got to watch it unfortunately, being abroad, unless there's some way of getting Sky overseas.

    Via Ipad/Iphone app...I guess they also have apps for Android as well. I use their Ipad app to watch Sky News when out and about here in Stockholm.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Sky coverage - Sophie in pink is the tipping point..
  • Why does everyone think this is a done deal when we haven't had any results yet?

    The poll wasn't even an exit poll anyway.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited September 2014
    isam said:

    @Pong FPT

    "I Just LAID 95%+ turnout at 5/2 Astonishing. edit: for a substantial amount, too!"

    Only £112 traded at 5/2 on Betfair, where did you lay it?

    I laid ~£50 @5/2 on BF.

    I think BF double-counts anyway, so that was probably all mine. I also laid more under 7. All in about £200 laid at ~5.5.

    Anyway, I've rebacked now at ~45/1.

    Quite a ridiculous market spasm....
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    AndyJS said:

    BBC coverage far too sedate. I've got to watch it unfortunately, being abroad, unless there's some way of getting Sky overseas.

    If you have a satellite, it's on Astra 2, IIRC....
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited September 2014
    You bastards may have saved the Union....but you will NEVER stop us booing your rugby and football teams!
    (issajoke?)
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Saltire said:

    If all the postal returns are similar then maybe the odds of a +90% overall turnout look appealing?
    Postal vote turnout is always higher than on the day. It's composed of people who cared enough to apply for a postal ballot in case they were away of otherwise unable to vote.

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    surbiton said:



    You mean she praised the Man who saved the Union ?

    How's Ed Miliband looking if they have to wheel out the dud Brown to influence LABOUR voters?

  • Hear, hear. He has done a fantastic job. I don't share his politics, but I too am proud to call him my fellow countryman.

    Politics needs more of the likes of DavidL.

    DavidL, get yourself on the candidates list, you'd be a great candidate.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Neil said:

    I'm sure Mick Pork is chortling away somewhere out there.


    Only if you think he was an agent provocateur !!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,967
    edited September 2014

    The Nats have gone very quiet...read in to that what you will....tipping point?

    YES observers (an army of them) are also watching every vote being counted like hawks in Edinburgh count. NO are barely bothering.

    I find that interesting, possibly hubristic, but interesting.
  • DavidL said:

    It has just been pointed out to me that my turnout figures will be excluding the postal votes. The area I was in was probably "older" than average. Maybe there was more postals?

    @DavidL - Cheers for all your effort during the campaign, well done Sir.
  • SeanT said:

    @christopherhope 12m
    Sorry - to clarify earlier Tweet. Senior No campaign source says 57pc No, 43pc yes. David Cameron can sleep again. #indyref

    If that's true or thereabouts, I think it might be curtains for Eck.

    I'm still not counting any chickens, though.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014
    SeanT said:

    @christopherhope 12m
    Sorry - to clarify earlier Tweet. Senior No campaign source says 57pc No, 43pc yes. David Cameron can sleep again. #indyref

    If that is the result Devomax might be kicked into the long grass.
    In 10 years the oil will run out, if they can just hold down the SNP for another 10 years it will be game over for scottish independence.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    surbiton said:

    You mean she praised the Man who saved the Union ?
    Hold your horses!

    Brave and courageous twitter post from Andy Murray 22 hours ago. That took some guts. He could have bottled it and didn't - well done Andy!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    @christopherhope 12m
    Sorry - to clarify earlier Tweet. Senior No campaign source says 57pc No, 43pc yes. David Cameron can sleep again. #indyref

    My 58 - 42 coming true.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    It was Gordon wot won it.

    His influence has been critical in keeping the Union together.
  • How can the senior no person possibly have any idea its 57 no?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    SeanT said:

    @christopherhope 12m
    Sorry - to clarify earlier Tweet. Senior No campaign source says 57pc No, 43pc yes. David Cameron can sleep again. #indyref


    Can he,I hope the English MP's have some balls for once and make sure the English are not screwed on the new deals for Scotland.
  • Speedy said:

    If that is the result Devomax might be kicked into the long grass.
    Any attempt to break "The Vow" will go down about as well as a nuke over Edinburgh.

    If they want to ensure a Yes vote in 10-20 years time, they can break it by all means.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,402
    Do you think we'll ever see MalcG again?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Absolutely spot on with that comment. I feel sad that Andy Murray didn't feel able to declare his own view until after last night's newspapers had been put to bed. And yes, that is why I think that he held off with that tweet until the wee hours of this morning. Andy Murray should have felt as comfortable as anyone else in the media spotlight when it came to declaring for a Yes or No, he is not the Queen. :)
    IOS said:

    Andy Murray should be applauded for taking a stand. I want No to win but no one should ever ever feel they can't express their political views.

    I approve of Andy Murray.

  • SeanT said:

    @christopherhope 12m
    Sorry - to clarify earlier Tweet. Senior No campaign source says 57pc No, 43pc yes. David Cameron can sleep again. #indyref

    No he cannot.
  • mjt said:


    It's been a case study in how dirty a referendum on the UK leaving the EU would be.

    The difference being that all the deals and subsidies Big business has gleaned from Brussels will be fair game as well. Yes the BBC will be spinning its rotten Europhile heart out but the electorate will be reminded again and again and again how much money it has taken from Brussels.

    The other point is that if we withdraw from the EU very little will change. We'll have our monarchy, our currency, our government, our borders, our memberships of other international organisations etc etc. We would still be one of the biggest economic powers in the world and one of the biggest military powers.

    The In campaign compared to the Better Together campaign has only a tiny amount of leverage and scaremongering material with which to use against the Out campaign and when boiled down all it will tell us is that the In campaign don't believe in the British people sufficiently to believe they could not overcome the comparatively small (when compared to Scottish Independence) short term challenges that might present themselves on withdrawal.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    I hope this isn't premature - God forgive me if it is - but it seems to me the loyal Brit voters, in Scotland, have emerged as a kind of silent majority. Uncowed, subdued, muted - and determined.

    And then they voted NO, in big big numbers.

    Come on, give us at least one trademark wobble to keep us going until the results come in!

  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Thanks for the tip. Have swapped to BBC Scotland on BBC Parliament and its much better!
    Me too. Its so much better informed.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Danny565 said:

    They're refusing to even acknowledge the YouGov poll. I think they're sulking because their thunder was stolen.
    Well first off Yes may have won, I hope not but its posible. But if (if) the polls and the stats are indicating a strong possibility of No winning then this really goes against the ideal media narrative where everything is on a knife edge (''keep tuned in!'' etc) and there may be a cataclysm (''keep tuned in and listen to my smug critisisms'').
    The media need everything to go wrong and never right the media need conflict. So its no surprise that they will take one poll which show Yes with a possibility and ignore the others which show them losing.
    I would also suggest that the media are pretty incapable of looking beyond their own headlines when it comes to actually analysing a poll.
  • GaiusGaius Posts: 227
    chestnut said:

    How's Ed Miliband looking if they have to wheel out the dud Brown to influence LABOUR voters?

    They will need Brown to hide weird Eds deficiencies.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    murali_s said:

    It was Gordon wot won it.

    His influence has been critical in keeping the Union together.

    Give up,proberly no was always winning.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    sarissa said:

    Poatal votes ARE NOT COUNTED SEPARATELY. The Counting Officers in each of the 32 areas verify the signature and date of birth for the postal voter and they are then added to the ballot papers cast today.

    PS individual counting areas will couint the total number of vates cast and release turnout figures before sorting into Yes/No/Doubtful and making a count of each.
    The figures quoted are clearly from tallying.

  • First post!

    Just watching the BBC Scotland coverage - according to the Glasgow reporter turnout in deprived areas such as Castlemilk and Drumchapel is 64% - 70%. Now, this is higher than usual, but when you compare it to 90% plus turnout in strong No areas then this points to a advantage towards 'No'.
  • Scotland goes er......Pop:

    Anonymous said...
    If it's no then the war starts tomorrow.

    September 18, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    SNP POISON.

  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Some clarification required on PB jargon. I am aware of the meaning of 'tipping point' in Malcolm Gladwell or complex adaptive systems contexts, but what is its meaning on PB? Is it another way of saying 'jumping the shark'?
  • IOSIOS Posts: 1,450
    Fitalass

    Agree. We as politicos want *everyone* to be actively expressing their views!
  • Looks like the Scots have decided to do what they always did, and are gonna get what they always got. Shafted by Labour and Tory politicians.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Dougie said:

    First post!

    Just watching the BBC Scotland coverage - according to the Glasgow reporter turnout in deprived areas such as Castlemilk and Drumchapel is 64% - 70%. Now, this is higher than usual, but when you compare it to 90% plus turnout in strong No areas then this points to a advantage towards 'No'.


    Apparently Morris in bed - Welcome to PB Dougie!!!
  • Reports that 60% of postal votes in Glasgow were for No.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited September 2014
    @christopherhope 12m
    Sorry - to clarify earlier Tweet. Senior No campaign source says 57pc No, 43pc yes. David Cameron can sleep again. #indyref


    If correct, there's money to be made by backing the 40% - 45% Yes Band with Betfair, where the price is currently around 2/1 net. The above 43% prediction is nicely mid-band providing a little leeway therefore.
    DYOR.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MTimT said:

    Some clarification required on PB jargon. I am aware of the meaning of 'tipping point' in Malcolm Gladwell or complex adaptive systems contexts, but what is its meaning on PB? Is it another way of saying 'jumping the shark'?

    Yep. Jumping the Shark is about right.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    GIN1138 said:

    Do you think we'll ever see MalcG again?

    Yeah!!! Once PB, always PB - and PBer never die !!!!(apart from URW and the other one)

  • murali_s said:

    It was Gordon wot won it.

    His influence has been critical in keeping the Union together.

    Not critical - but also not negligible.

    Why didn't he get involved in a more prominent role earlier in the process?

    Why did his Labour colleagues make such a hash of the No campaign?

    There are many factors that may have contributed to a No win (if indeed that is what happens) - Brown is one of them but the work done to bring the business community out in support of the Union and thus refocus attention on the economic impact of independence is also going to have had a lot of influence.

    Just don't exaggerate Brown's role in all this - it only makes you look foolish.
  • Scotland goes er......Pop:

    Anonymous said...
    If it's no then the war starts tomorrow.

    September 18, 2014 at 11:02 PM

    SNP POISON.

    There are always morons. James, Mick Pork and the rest of them have put their hearts and souls into something about which they care deeply. If it is a No, I hope there's no gloating or triumphalism.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2014


    Can he,I hope the English MP's have some balls for once and make sure the English are not screwed on the new deals for Scotland.
    Cameron will have to face UKIP in parliament after Oct. 9th, I expect resistance to Devomax will become another UKIP flagship policy.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,889
    I'm on 80-85% turnout at 3/1.

    Betfair are currently

    80-85% 3.2-3.5
    85-90% 2.04-2.12
    90-95% 5.1-5.5

    I backed a value bet that was likely to lose. Such will be my epitaph.
  • The Nats have gone very quiet...read in to that what you will....tipping point?

    We're busy packing. For Panama.

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