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  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump's apparently made $56 Bn out of $TRUMP !

    The rumour is he is going to be sworn in on a special edition Trump Bible! I really hope that turns out to be true. The fact he knows his base are all total suckers is his most appealing point.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,398
    Will someone kindly rename Dogger Bank?
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,206
    edited January 20
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.

    Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term

    I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
    Not necessarily, after Watergate the Democrats had over 60 Senators after the 1974 midterms and would have impeached Nixon had he not resigned, in which case if repeated they would only need a few GOP Senators who secretly always despised Trump to convict
    Firstly, there is zero prospect of Democrats having anything like 60 senators after the 2026 mid-terms. Secondly,they wouldn't need the support of GOP senators who "secretly always despised Trump". They need, effectively, GOP senators who BOTH secretly despise Trump and have no intention of standing for re-election (because they'd be successfully primaried for any conviction vote). That's fishing from far too small a pond.
    Depends entirely on Trump's approval ratings at the time.

    If the Democrats win the 2026 midterms and take both chambers of Congress there is a 90% chance they will start impeachment proceedings against Trump in my view
    It doesn't depend approval ratings in terms of conviction. Trump only suffered seven GOP conviction votes in 2020, despite (a) no longer being President and appearing to be on his way out of public life; (b) being highly unpopular immediately after January 6th; and (c) being pretty much bang to rights over a riot that endangered the lives of Senators. Four of the seven are no longer Senators.

    Even if the Republicans lose heavily in 2026 and Trump has low ratings (as he did for much of his first term), the fanatical fanbase isn't going away. Voting to convict would be suicidal in most cases for GOP senators, and there is no realistic route to two-thirds - that's just a silly fantasy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Yeah, Trump is gonna turbocharge that Plaid Cymru vote

    In fact, my insiders at Mebyon Kernow - the Sons of Cornwall - are telling me the controversial role of J D Vance in particular could force Cornish independence over the line, and at last self governance will return to Launceston
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    No as the UK has a veto on the UN Security Council

    The UK cannot stop the US deciding to refer to the Falklands as the Malvinas.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090

    Will someone kindly rename Dogger Bank?

    Trump's Prospect?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    With respect to the Gulf of Mexico, are we expecting Trump to sign an executive order instructing all Federal agencies to refer to it as the Gulf of America? E.g. should we expect National Hurricane Center advisories to use Gulf of America in place of Gulf of Mexico?

    Or what else is meant by renaming the place?

    That would be my understanding of it, I can't imagine it means anything else.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.
    One of @SouthamObserver's more imbecilic remarks
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,283

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.

    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    HYUFD said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though
    Biden has already proven that even the Democrats don't take the EU seriously as a geopolitical entity by imposing restrictions on AI chip exports to one half of it but not the other.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Trump's apparently made $56 Bn out of $TRUMP !

    The rumour is he is going to be sworn in on a special edition Trump Bible! I really hope that turns out to be true. The fact he knows his base are all total suckers is his most appealing point.

    I understand it is the bible given to him by his Mother in 1955
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    Will someone kindly rename Dogger Bank?

    Dogger, Fisher, German Bight; Viking[*], Thames, Dover, Wight.

    [*] This is an error. It should be Humber, so it obviously wasn't intentionally changed for scansion.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Leon said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Yeah, Trump is gonna turbocharge that Plaid Cymru vote

    In fact, my insiders at Mebyon Kernow - the Sons of Cornwall - are telling me the controversial role of J D Vance in particular could force Cornish independence over the line, and at last self governance will return to Launceston

    Ha, ha - bless you. You think that Plaid and the SNP will not run on the fact that Labour is toadying up to Trump, and that there will not be political benefits to doing that?? Marvellous - please DM me about some magic beans I have going cheap. I'll throw in London Bridge for free!!!

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Florida Keys South
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    edited January 20

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.

    Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term

    I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
    Not necessarily, after Watergate the Democrats had over 60 Senators after the 1974 midterms and would have impeached Nixon had he not resigned, in which case if repeated they would only need a few GOP Senators who secretly always despised Trump to convict
    Firstly, there is zero prospect of Democrats having anything like 60 senators after the 2026 mid-terms. Secondly,they wouldn't need the support of GOP senators who "secretly always despised Trump". They need, effectively, GOP senators who BOTH secretly despise Trump and have no intention of standing for re-election (because they'd be successfully primaried for any conviction vote). That's fishing from far too small a pond.
    Depends entirely on Trump's approval ratings at the time.

    If the Democrats win the 2026 midterms and take both chambers of Congress there is a 90% chance they will start impeachment proceedings against Trump in my view
    It doesn't depend approval ratings in terms of conviction. Trump only suffered seven GOP conviction votes in 2020, despite (a) no longer being President and appearing to be on his way out of public life; (b) being highly unpopular immediately after January 6th; and (c) being pretty much bang to rights over a riot that endangered the lives of Senators. Four of the seven are no longer Senators.

    Even if the Republicans lose heavily in 2026 and Trump has low ratings (as he did for much of his first term), the fanatical fanbase isn't going away. Voting to convict would be suicidal in most cases for GOP senators, and there is no realistic route to two-thirds - that's just a silly fantasy.
    In the unlikely event that Trump's hold on his fanatical fanbase was somehow broken, and his approval rating plumbed deeper depths than Nixon reached, then the risk of being Primaried by opposing him would be much reduced. On the contrary, Senators would feel the contrary pressure from their voters.

    So, of course, it entirely depends on approval ratings. Though I agree that the possibility of him losing support to a sufficient extent is difficult to distinguish from zero.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.

    Until the point US politics impacts on them, as when the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government - or when they believe the UK government is getting far too cosy with the US government.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958
    "Steven Seagal actively participated in the mistreatment of Ukrainian POWs. Having met with one POW alone, Seagal passed on to the Russians what the fighter had said, resulting in the POW being severe tortured"

    https://x.com/Rail_splitter1/status/1881074981951737988
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    edited January 20
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    Leon said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Yeah, Trump is gonna turbocharge that Plaid Cymru vote

    In fact, my insiders at Mebyon Kernow - the Sons of Cornwall - are telling me the controversial role of J D Vance in particular could force Cornish independence over the line, and at last self governance will return to Launceston

    Ha, ha - bless you. You think that Plaid and the SNP will not run on the fact that Labour is toadying up to Trump, and that there will not be political benefits to doing that?? Marvellous - please DM me about some magic beans I have going cheap. I'll throw in London Bridge for free!!!

    By summer next year the SNP may be in government with Labour at Holyrood and Plaid in government with Labour in Cardiff
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.

    Until the point US politics impacts on them, as when the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government - or when they believe the UK government is getting far too cosy with the US government.

    "Elon Musk is ranting on X" is not quite the same thing as "the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government", though, is it?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    He can say what he wants, unless he actually sends US troops to invade the Falklands with Argentina the UK has a veto at the UN Sec Council so can ignore whatever he says on the Falklands.

    Meanwhile the UK will be avoiding the heavy tariffs Trump is imposing on the EU, China, Mexico and Canada as a result of Brexit
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    HYUFD said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though

    Will Trump hand Starmer that win?

  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    "undermine" is different to "overthrow", though, isn't it?

    And if they did want to undermine it it would most likely be as a soft target they can take credit for without having to actually do anything!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.

    Until the point US politics impacts on them, as when the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government - or when they believe the UK government is getting far too cosy with the US government.

    So Labour will simultaneously benefit from a wave of patriotic fervour against attempts to overthrow them while also suffering from getting far too cosy with Trump?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    HYUFD said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though

    Will Trump hand Starmer that win?

    Starmer would have us be subject to tariffs levied on the EU, so it's not exactly much of a win for him.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel

    To a point, that is absolutely true. But there may be a point when they decide they cannot because the political cost at home is too high.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    Will someone kindly rename Dogger Bank?

    Dogging layby?
  • HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    He can say what he wants, unless he actually sends US troops to invade the Falklands with Argentina the UK has a veto at the UN Sec Council so can ignore whatever he says on the Falklands.

    Meanwhile the UK will be avoiding the heavy tariffs Trump is imposing on the EU, China, Mexico and Canada as a result of Brexit
    You do take everything so seriously
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Can see all the tech bros, Bezos, Musk, Pichai, Cook, Zuckerberg in the Capitol Rotunda and Biden and Harris have joined Trump.

    The Clintons entering looking stony faced followed by George W Bush and Laura, Barack Obama enters alone, Michelle had another engagement (washing her hair?)
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,089
    I count three likely members of the Trump cabinet, already, who might vote yes to removing him via Article 25. When the full list is available, I'll update that estimate.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.

    Until the point US politics impacts on them, as when the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government - or when they believe the UK government is getting far too cosy with the US government.

    So Labour will simultaneously benefit from a wave of patriotic fervour against attempts to overthrow them while also suffering from getting far too cosy with Trump?

    As with Leon, if you do not believe that the SNP, Plaid, the Greens and the LibDems will not benefit politically from claiming the government is getting far too close to Trump, please DM me about my magic beans. He gets London Bridge for free. You can have Tower Bridge. Good news for you.

  • eekeek Posts: 28,795

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel

    To a point, that is absolutely true. But there may be a point when they decide they cannot because the ice political cost at home is too high.

    It’s very easy to see a point where shifting towards the EU is the saner (or only) option.

    Remember Trump does not do mutually beneficial deals - he’s very much in it for himself (first), America (second) anyone else last
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.

    Until the point US politics impacts on them, as when the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government - or when they believe the UK government is getting far too cosy with the US government.

    So Labour will simultaneously benefit from a wave of patriotic fervour against attempts to overthrow them while also suffering from getting far too cosy with Trump?
    That is in keeping with your usual contradictory posts. Keep up the good work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Driver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though

    Will Trump hand Starmer that win?

    Starmer would have us be subject to tariffs levied on the EU, so it's not exactly much of a win for him.
    The US also has a surplus with us but a deficit with the EU
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    "undermine" is different to "overthrow", though, isn't it?

    And if they did want to undermine it it would most likely be as a soft target they can take credit for without having to actually do anything!

    Yes, undermine is different to overthrow. But you can seek to undermine a government by calling for its overthrow. As Elon Musk has already done.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    It shows a complete misunderstanding of why places are named as they are, and what those names signify.

    For example, Britons call the sea between Britain and Ireland the Irish Sea. Is this because we've somehow ceded it to them? No. It's because Britain is a maritime nation with a lot of seas to keep track of and you can't call them all British because then you wouldn't know which was which. So we call that sea the Irish Sea because it's the one next to Ireland from the point of view of Britain.

    It demonstrates that Britain has wider horizons that go beyond its territorial waters.

    Trump's small-mindedness is starkly revealed by the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    Just under an hour until darkness descends.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,089
    Completely off topic, but if you are visiting Houston or New Orleans this week, you may want to bring your cross country skis, in case you need them to get around: https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2025-01-19-winter-storm-enzo-south-snow-ice-forecast-houston-new-orleans

    (Another consequence of Brexit, no doubt. /sarc)
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Driver said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    Most British voters have more prosaic concerns than tribal signalling about US politics.

    Until the point US politics impacts on them, as when the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government - or when they believe the UK government is getting far too cosy with the US government.

    "Elon Musk is ranting on X" is not quite the same thing as "the US government is seeking the overthrow of the UK government", though, is it?

    As of 5.00 pm UK time today Elon Musk is a de facto member of the US government.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel

    To a point, that is absolutely true. But there may be a point when they decide they cannot because the ice political cost at home is too high.

    It’s very easy to see a point where shifting towards the EU is the saner (or only) option.

    Remember Trump does not do mutually beneficial deals - he’s very much in it for himself (first), America (second) anyone else last

    Yep.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    SC justices entering
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,554
    Did Biden (or whoever is running him) really just pardon Fauci and the J6 committee an hour before he leaves office?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    Startled heron:

    Startled heron
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,958
    Sandpit said:

    Did Biden (or whoever is running him) really just pardon Fauci and the J6 committee an hour before he leaves office?

    Quite sensible when dealing with the likes of Trump and the mad dogs of the GOP.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    Sandpit said:

    Did Biden (or whoever is running him) really just pardon Fauci and the J6 committee an hour before he leaves office?

    Wait until you see what Trump has planned for the actual J6ers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump's children entered
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel

    To a point, that is absolutely true. But there may be a point when they decide they cannot because the ice political cost at home is too high.

    It’s very easy to see a point where shifting towards the EU is the saner (or only) option.

    Remember Trump does not do mutually beneficial deals - he’s very much in it for himself (first), America (second) anyone else last
    Which would not be sensible given the heavy tariffs Trump is about to impose on EU imports, we don't even need a trade deal with Trump's US if we avoid the tariffs he will be imposing on China and the EU (ie the 2 other major global economic blocks beyond the USA which will almost certainly impose retaliatory tariffs on US imports to them)
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    "undermine" is different to "overthrow", though, isn't it?

    And if they did want to undermine it it would most likely be as a soft target they can take credit for without having to actually do anything!

    Yes, undermine is different to overthrow. But you can seek to undermine a government by calling for its overthrow. As Elon Musk has already done.

    Which doesn't have much effect if the only response is everyone laughs at you.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,554
    edited January 20

    Sandpit said:

    Did Biden (or whoever is running him) really just pardon Fauci and the J6 committee an hour before he leaves office?

    Wait until you see what Trump has planned for the actual J6ers.
    Some of whom have been in custody for three years but not charged with any offence?

    Very few of the convicts from that day have actually been found guilty by a jury, most have taken ridiculous plea bargains.

    I suspect that anyone non-violent from that day will be pardoned, Biden has set terrible precedents on his way out that give Trump cover.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    Sandpit said:

    Did Biden (or whoever is running him) really just pardon Fauci and the J6 committee an hour before he leaves office?

    Maybe. It depends if pre-emptive pardons actually have any effect (and if Trump considers it worth challenging the point).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    The stereotypical Brexiter now actively welcomes the UK’s humiliation, usually from Dubai, Singapore or Texas.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279
    "Trump to end all Federal Diversity programs today" - Telegraph

    Go, the DON
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    It's not Donald Trump or Elon Musk trying to give away British crown territory to foreign powers with no claim, and wanting British taxpayers to fork out NINE BILLION QUID for the pleasure of being robbed

    I regard Starmer and this Labour government as traitors for the Chagos deal, alone. What other word can be used?

    If our good ally the US can help save us from these despicable Labour c*nts, great: bring it on
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Leon said:

    "Trump to end all Federal Diversity programs today" - Telegraph

    Go, the DON

    There's also a potential landmark case that could get one of the central planks of diversity law ruled unconstitutional. It's a perfect example of overreach by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/fedjudges/status/1880810911688204794

    The Biden DOJ filed a disparate impact suit against South Bend, Indiana because it uses written and physical tests when hiring police officers.

    South Bend answered the complaint by arguing disparate impact is unconstitutional.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,410
    HYUFD said:

    Driver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though

    Will Trump hand Starmer that win?

    Starmer would have us be subject to tariffs levied on the EU, so it's not exactly much of a win for him.
    The US also has a surplus with us but a deficit with the EU
    People are naive if they think Trump will cut the UK slack on tariffs. He loves them.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    It's not Donald Trump or Elon Musk trying to give away British crown territory to foreign powers with no claim, and wanting British taxpayers to fork out NINE BILLION QUID for the pleasure of being robbed

    I regard Starmer and this Labour government as traitors for the Chagos deal, alone. What other word can be used?

    If our good ally the US can help save us from these despicable Labour c*nts, great: bring it on
    Isn't that deal waiting for Trump's approval?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,854
    tbh I prefer our way – a passing shot of a removal van in Downing Street.

    Have any of the visiting Brits made it onto television or are they all in some sideroom watching a monitor?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Driver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.

    When Trump imposes big tariffs on the EU but not us being at 'the back of the queue' may not seem so bad though

    Will Trump hand Starmer that win?

    Starmer would have us be subject to tariffs levied on the EU, so it's not exactly much of a win for him.
    The US also has a surplus with us but a deficit with the EU
    People are naive if they think Trump will cut the UK slack on tariffs. He loves them.
    We are simply not a priority for tariffs given the US has a trade surplus with us already, we are likely heading for the biggest global trade war since the 1930s once he slaps massive tariffs on EU and Chinese imports and they respond with big tariffs on US imports but the US has big deficits with them unlike us
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    It's not Donald Trump or Elon Musk trying to give away British crown territory to foreign powers with no claim, and wanting British taxpayers to fork out NINE BILLION QUID for the pleasure of being robbed

    I regard Starmer and this Labour government as traitors for the Chagos deal, alone. What other word can be used?

    If our good ally the US can help save us from these despicable Labour c*nts, great: bring it on
    Isn't that deal waiting for Trump's approval?
    Yes, hilariously
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774

    tbh I prefer our way – a passing shot of a removal van in Downing Street.

    Have any of the visiting Brits made it onto television or are they all in some sideroom watching a monitor?

    When we change our head of state it's a lot more convoluted than this.

  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,398
    I was perusing Lincolnshire in Samuel Simpson's The Agreeable Historian (1746) this afternoon and stumbled by chance upon the German Ocean:


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762

    Leon said:

    "Trump to end all Federal Diversity programs today" - Telegraph

    Go, the DON

    There's also a potential landmark case that could get one of the central planks of diversity law ruled unconstitutional. It's a perfect example of overreach by the Biden administration.

    https://x.com/fedjudges/status/1880810911688204794

    The Biden DOJ filed a disparate impact suit against South Bend, Indiana because it uses written and physical tests when hiring police officers.

    South Bend answered the complaint by arguing disparate impact is unconstitutional.
    I remind you of the post-reconstruction era and how written tests can be twisted.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,854
    Leon said:

    "Trump to end all Federal Diversity programs today" - Telegraph

    Go, the DON

    And I was looking forward to you railing against Trump's slew of executive orders, as you did against Biden's pardons. It's like I said earlier, precedent and the established order should constrain only the other side.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279
    Dubya Bush has not aged well. To me he looks like a man who is back on the sauce
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    It's not Donald Trump or Elon Musk trying to give away British crown territory to foreign powers with no claim, and wanting British taxpayers to fork out NINE BILLION QUID for the pleasure of being robbed

    I regard Starmer and this Labour government as traitors for the Chagos deal, alone. What other word can be used?

    If our good ally the US can help save us from these despicable Labour c*nts, great: bring it on
    Isn't that deal waiting for Trump's approval?
    Yes, hilariously
    So is Trump bad if he approves it? Just trying to understand your position here.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    pmsl at "global power" bit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20

    tbh I prefer our way – a passing shot of a removal van in Downing Street.

    Have any of the visiting Brits made it onto television or are they all in some sideroom watching a monitor?

    Our way is different as the US President is also head of state, so this is their equivalent of a coronation of a new monarch as much as a new head of government and a new PM entering No 10
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    pmsl at "global power" bit.
    Tell that to the Spitfire brigade
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,677
    Leon said:

    Dubya Bush has not aged well. To me he looks like a man who is back on the sauce

    Age will Ketchup with everyone, even Presidents.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,398

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    It's not Donald Trump or Elon Musk trying to give away British crown territory to foreign powers with no claim, and wanting British taxpayers to fork out NINE BILLION QUID for the pleasure of being robbed

    I regard Starmer and this Labour government as traitors for the Chagos deal, alone. What other word can be used?

    If our good ally the US can help save us from these despicable Labour c*nts, great: bring it on
    Isn't that deal waiting for Trump's approval?
    Trump could cut a deal with Mauritius and wave it through in return for a small token of gratitude deposited in cash somewhere agreeable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    "Trump to end all Federal Diversity programs today" - Telegraph

    Go, the DON

    And I was looking forward to you railing against Trump's slew of executive orders, as you did against Biden's pardons. It's like I said earlier, precedent and the established order should constrain only the other side.
    There is no comparison. Trump has been elected by the American people to do this. Stuff like Rolling Back Woke is WHY he was elected, this was his manifesto and his promise

    Joe Biden was not elected to Pardon his son on his drug and gun charges and give a pre-emptive pardon to people who might be implicated in the deaths of 20 million humans
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,292
    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,854

    tbh I prefer our way – a passing shot of a removal van in Downing Street.

    Have any of the visiting Brits made it onto television or are they all in some sideroom watching a monitor?

    When we change our head of state it's a lot more convoluted than this.

    When we change our Head of State, the BBC newsreader wears a black tie and says God Save the King. The Poundland-sponsored sword-carrying comes far later.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    CBS judging the attendees by the colour of their skin not the content of their character - on MLK Day, no less.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    I missed this one on Friday...

    "I can change the Constitution on Twitter" is a fun precedent to set right before Trump takes office

    https://x.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1880308325713342482
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,410
    Driver said:

    CBS judging the attendees by the colour of their skin not the content of their character - on MLK Day, no less.

    Indeed. Don't judge them on the whiteness of their skin when you could judge them on the blackness of their hearts instead.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Here we go!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,292

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    God almighty this is dull. They rescheduled Deal or No Deal for this.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    The Americans even copied the King's fanfare a bit there before Vance entered
  • Taz said:

    God almighty this is dull. They rescheduled Deal or No Deal for this.

    The lull before the storm !!!!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279
    Taz said:

    God almighty this is dull. They rescheduled Deal or No Deal for this.

    Americans don't do ceremony very well. They have shit bands and naff choirs, it is always striking

    I wonder if it comes from their schizo atttude to pomp and circumstance. The country exists because they rejected all that - the English crown

    So they try and make ceremony demotic and republican, but that never really works
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,184
    I still can't believe the failure of centrist politicians that allowed Trump to become a significant political figure. They didn't have to do a huge amount to have stopped it from happening imo.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump enters the rotunda for his big moment
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,921

    tbh I prefer our way – a passing shot of a removal van in Downing Street.

    Have any of the visiting Brits made it onto television or are they all in some sideroom watching a monitor?

    When we change our head of state it's a lot more convoluted than this.

    When we change our Head of State, the BBC newsreader wears a black tie and says God Save the King. The Poundland-sponsored sword-carrying comes far later.
    Poundland? I only remember one Penny :wink:
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,146
    viewcode said:

    Should the UK Nationalise Gambling? TLDR News, 20 Jan 2025

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQklEU34nNU

    They'll take your winnings and share them out amongst the whole population?

    Good evening,everybody.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel
    For someone who claims to be a patriot, you seem to revel in the decline of Britain as a global power.
    pmsl at "global power" bit.
    Tell that to the Spitfire brigade
    living on past glories is a bit sad
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Klobuchar klaxon.

    Would have been a better candidate than Kamala.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    edited January 20
    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    HYUFD said:

    Trump enters the rotunda for his big moment

    There's the old rascal lol
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