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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Andy_JS said:

    I still can't believe the failure of centrist politicians that allowed Trump to become a significant political figure. They didn't have to do a huge amount to have stopped it from happening imo.

    In 2016 ironically Trump was probably the more centrist of the final 2 for the GOP nomination relative to Cruz and last year Harris was well on the liberal left of the Democratic party relative to Biden and Hillary although Haley was more centrist than Trump for the GOP nomination this time
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    edited January 20
    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,774
    Andy_JS said:

    I still can't believe the failure of centrist politicians that allowed Trump to become a significant political figure. They didn't have to do a huge amount to have stopped it from happening imo.

    Not just centrists, the left and the traditional US right too. Trump is where he is because the Republican party bent the knee to him and the Democrats failed totally to manage the Biden presidency.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    edited January 20
    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
    Really? If true, it’s just insane.

    There is still perhaps, a second or so for him to be effectively sectioned, and for Kamala to step in.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, this is new news. Pretty much his entire family by the sound of it, they rattled off the list of relatives too quickly for me to transcribe them.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    Presumably Trump will pardon himself of his conviction?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
    Really? If true, it’s just insane.

    There is still perhaps, a second or so for him to be effectively sectioned, and for Kamala to step in.
    I heard about six "Bidens"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    HYUFD said:

    Trump enters the rotunda for his big moment

    F*** me, what's that dreadful smell?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,795
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel

    To a point, that is absolutely true. But there may be a point when they decide they cannot because the ice political cost at home is too high.

    It’s very easy to see a point where shifting towards the EU is the saner (or only) option.

    Remember Trump does not do mutually beneficial deals - he’s very much in it for himself (first), America (second) anyone else last
    Which would not be sensible given the heavy tariffs Trump is about to impose on EU imports, we don't even need a trade deal with Trump's US if we avoid the tariffs he will be imposing on China and the EU (ie the 2 other major global economic blocks beyond the USA which will almost certainly impose retaliatory tariffs on US imports to them)
    Which part of it’s easy to see us …. did you not grasp.

    Leave us outside the tariffs and we can ignore things, give us in the same tariffs as the EU and China and it would make sense to focus on the countries that were not imposing tariffs on us.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, this is new news. Pretty much his entire family by the sound of it, they rattled off the list of relatives too quickly for me to transcribe them.
    Not yet in the NYT, who are claiming in what is perhaps an older article that he has not pardoned his family beyond Hunter..
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,283

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    It shows a complete misunderstanding of why places are named as they are, and what those names signify.

    For example, Britons call the sea between Britain and Ireland the Irish Sea. Is this because we've somehow ceded it to them? No. It's because Britain is a maritime nation with a lot of seas to keep track of and you can't call them all British because then you wouldn't know which was which. So we call that sea the Irish Sea because it's the one next to Ireland from the point of view of Britain.

    It demonstrates that Britain has wider horizons that go beyond its territorial waters.

    Trump's small-mindedness is starkly revealed by the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
    So "English channel" demonstrates the small-mindedness of England?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    edited January 20
    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
    Show your sources please. All of the media talking about his pardons do not mention his family. Not that I really care either way.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    I don't agree with the notion of presidential pardons, but in this instance are you stupid or what?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,795
    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    More because Trump may go after them as he can’t attack Biden as he had presidential immunity
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,113
    edited January 20

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
    Show your sources please. All of the media talking about his pardons do not mention his family. Not that I really care either way.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ce8jy9j91y5t?post=asset:80ca651e-720b-430f-a6b8-2983e539710b#post

    We should probably now expect a full set of Trump family pardons when he exits.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
    Show your sources please. All of the media talking about his pardons do not mention his family. Not that I really care either way.
    I cited my source: the CBS broadcast of the inauguration.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736
    Who is lady in green talking now?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,669
    Taz said:

    God almighty this is dull. They rescheduled Deal or No Deal for this.

    The Art of the Deal or No Deal.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279
    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    Has the EU ever stated the name change you propose? Trump has actually claimed the Gulf of Mexico name change, so you are not comparing like for like.

    The Latin American leader Trump most admires is Javier Milei. Will Trump decide the Falklands should be called Las Malvinas?

    Milei was riffing with Johnson at the recently ended church service in Washington.

    It's an interesting one. You could see Trump saying something like my good fried Javier Milei understands the strategic importance of the Malvinas and how they are crucial to US interests, far more so than the Marxist, Socialist government of loser Keir Starmer. Unless King Charles calls new elections in the UK so Nigel Farage can become Prime Minister, the US will support Argentina's claim to the islands.

    Which way does the lickspittle Trumpist right in the UK jump at that point?

    You're having a bad day, aren't you?

    Not at all. I am agreeing with you that the Trump administration is going to be on a ceaseless mission to undermine the UK government.

    Indeed. It's delicious. And as you correctly note, Starmer and Lammy will have no choice but to grovel

    To a point, that is absolutely true. But there may be a point when they decide they cannot because the ice political cost at home is too high.

    It’s very easy to see a point where shifting towards the EU is the saner (or only) option.

    Remember Trump does not do mutually beneficial deals - he’s very much in it for himself (first), America (second) anyone else last
    Which would not be sensible given the heavy tariffs Trump is about to impose on EU imports, we don't even need a trade deal with Trump's US if we avoid the tariffs he will be imposing on China and the EU (ie the 2 other major global economic blocks beyond the USA which will almost certainly impose retaliatory tariffs on US imports to them)
    Which part of it’s easy to see us …. did you not grasp.

    Leave us outside the tariffs and we can ignore things, give us in the same tariffs as the EU and China and it would make sense to focus on the countries that were not imposing tariffs on us.
    Which would also mean the UK and Japan likely imposing tariffs on US imports, as the EU and China will do, it would be difficult for the US economy to withstand all the other top 5 global economies in a trade war with it at the same time
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    Why do you say that?

    I don't think the story here is that the police had a woke agenda to cover up a terrorist motivation.

    The story is that the police and authorities, yet again, had multiple warnings that there was a potentially very violent person and they failed to do anything to prevent the murder of several young girls.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Cheers.

    So why do you support one of the two mafia gangs?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York now giving prayers followed by evangelical preacher Franklin Graham
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646

    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
    I just see it as Biden not being willing to sacrifice his family on the alter of democracy. Understandable really.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,292

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    Why do you say that?

    I don't think the story here is that the police had a woke agenda to cover up a terrorist motivation.

    The story is that the police and authorities, yet again, had multiple warnings that there was a potentially very violent person and they failed to do anything to prevent the murder of several young girls.
    My view is, if this was a white kid downloading far right stuff from the internet, they'd have said it was a terrorist attack.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    edited January 20
    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.


    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    It shows a complete misunderstanding of why places are named as they are, and what those names signify.

    For example, Britons call the sea between Britain and Ireland the Irish Sea. Is this because we've somehow ceded it to them? No. It's because Britain is a maritime nation with a lot of seas to keep track of and you can't call them all British because then you wouldn't know which was which. So we call that sea the Irish Sea because it's the one next to Ireland from the point of view of Britain.

    It demonstrates that Britain has wider horizons that go beyond its territorial waters.

    Trump's small-mindedness is starkly revealed by the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
    So "English channel" demonstrates the small-mindedness of England?
    Yes. It shows our insecurity at having lost the Hundred Years War to France. The psychology goes something like:

    "Okay, so you've taken Normandy,
    Aquitaine, Gascony and now even Calais, but this, this Channel, it's OURS!"


    Kinda pathetic really. C'est la vie.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    How many PB'ers are praying for Trump? :D
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448

    FFS, Its nearly 5pm and it's still light.

    What a shock! :open_mouth:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,997
    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    Pre inauguration polling showed 70% of voters opposed to that.
    I bet next month’s polls show Republicans falling into line.

    It’s a good test of their herding instinct, as it doesn’t directly cost anyone.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,851
    HYUFD said:

    Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York now giving prayers followed by evangelical preacher Franklin Graham

    Franklin Graham - seems quite a roaster. A grim portent.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    MikeL said:

    Who is lady in green talking now?

    Republican Senator
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    GIN1138 said:

    How many PB'ers are praying for Trump? :D

    In what context?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    GIN1138 said:

    How many PB'ers are praying for Trump? :D

    Let us "prey"? :lol:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Vance is now officially Vice President having just taken the oath of office
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279
    Trump should offer a "pre-emptive pardon" to anyone willing to vote Republican in 2028. What's the difference, in principle, now?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    FFS, Its nearly 5pm and it's still light.

    Darkness descending at 16.47 GMT.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557

    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
    I just see it as Biden not being willing to sacrifice his family on the alter of democracy. Understandable really.
    I see it as Biden shitting on what's left of his reputation, and levelling the moral balance between his administration and his successor’s.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    Leon said:

    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump takes his oath of office and is now officially the 47th POTUS
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    So help me God?

    God help all of us! :lol:
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,557
    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
    It’s just become a bit less clear, which is the point.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,888
    edited January 20

    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
    Isn't he pardoning people before they've been convicted of anything? Which suggests he's expecting Trump's team to go after people for things most of us would regard as legitimate.
    I wonder, for example, whether the FBI will be 'instructed' to question the New York jury participants who convicted Trump.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    There it is. President Trump.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    edited January 20
    *opens curtains, sees the world hasn't ended, closes curtains*
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,398
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    When someone commits a heinous crime it often turns out they had prior dealings with authority but there are thousands, perhaps even millions, out there with a similar history. No-one can accurately predict which ones will flip and we can't lock up all of them.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,854
    JD Vance's young daughter had plasters on three fingers!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646

    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
    I just see it as Biden not being willing to sacrifice his family on the alter of democracy. Understandable really.
    I see it as Biden shitting on what's left of his reputation, and levelling the moral balance between his administration and his successor’s.
    It's a big ask for someone to put their moral balance before their family, but I understand your point.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    edited January 20
    Leon said:

    Trump should offer a "pre-emptive pardon" to anyone willing to vote Republican in 2028. What's the difference, in principle, now?

    Well not really, as Biden's pardons are backwards looking and time-limited. But I guess Trump could push the envelope and see if it worked. With your support, no doubt.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,283

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.


    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    It shows a complete misunderstanding of why places are named as they are, and what those names signify.

    For example, Britons call the sea between Britain and Ireland the Irish Sea. Is this because we've somehow ceded it to them? No. It's because Britain is a maritime nation with a lot of seas to keep track of and you can't call them all British because then you wouldn't know which was which. So we call that sea the Irish Sea because it's the one next to Ireland from the point of view of Britain.

    It demonstrates that Britain has wider horizons that go beyond its territorial waters.

    Trump's small-mindedness is starkly revealed by the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
    So "English channel" demonstrates the small-mindedness of England?
    Yes. It shows our insecurity at having lost the Hundred Years War to France. The psychology goes something like:

    "Okay, so you've taken Normandy,
    Aquitaine, Gascony and now even Calais, but this, this Channel, it's OURS!"


    Kinda pathetic really.
    Is that what happened? I assumed "English Channel" was a translation of what some people on the continent called it.

    Anyway, as you say, it's fairly unusual (I think) for a country to name an adjacent body of water after itself.

    Bit like finding an Oxford Street in Oxford.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    HYUFD said:

    Vance is now officially Vice President having just taken the oath of office

    Just a 25th Amendment vote away from becoming the 48th President.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736
    edited January 20

    MikeL said:

    Who is lady in green talking now?

    Republican Senator
    Thanks but does anyone know who?

    Senator Klobuchar who spoke first was introduced. Seems strange second lady wasn't.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    Wasn't expecting Glory Glory Man United. Seems a bit out of place at present.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279
    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
    Just saying that doesn't make it true, I'm afraid. Especially when it flies in the face of the evidence

    It's oddly like Rachel Reeves believing that if she says "growth" enough, then "growth" will magically appear, like she is casting spells on the economy
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010

    HYUFD said:

    Vance is now officially Vice President having just taken the oath of office

    Just a 25th Amendment vote away from becoming the 48th President.
    Hopefully they get cracking.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    Why do you say that?

    I don't think the story here is that the police had a woke agenda to cover up a terrorist motivation.

    The story is that the police and authorities, yet again, had multiple warnings that there was a potentially very violent person and they failed to do anything to prevent the murder of several young girls.
    My view is, if this was a white kid downloading far right stuff from the internet, they'd have said it was a terrorist attack.
    He downloaded stuff that would help him to kill people, and he watched videos of people being killed.

    If he'd had a terrorist motivation - say for the sake of argument he was a virulent misogynist - they likely would have found lots of evidence for this misogyny, and his terrorist motivation would have been clear.

    The British authorities have not been shy about labelling people as terrorists in the past.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,292

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    When someone commits a heinous crime it often turns out they had prior dealings with authority but there are thousands, perhaps even millions, out there with a similar history. No-one can accurately predict which ones will flip and we can't lock up all of them.
    Agree completely, though I think this feels like a particularly bad case. If the stuff about his dad stopping him from doing his school the week before is true, it's probably in the same bracket as the Reading killer who's family said they had concerns, but appeared to have done little about it. Hard to be critical, though. How would we react when faced with the same situation?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,997
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.

    Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term

    I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
    Not necessarily, after Watergate the Democrats had over 60 Senators after the 1974 midterms and would have impeached Nixon had he not resigned, in which case if repeated they would only need a few GOP Senators who secretly always despised Trump to convict
    Firstly, there is zero prospect of Democrats having anything like 60 senators after the 2026 mid-terms. Secondly,they wouldn't need the support of GOP senators who "secretly always despised Trump". They need, effectively, GOP senators who BOTH secretly despise Trump and have no intention of standing for re-election (because they'd be successfully primaried for any conviction vote). That's fishing from far too small a pond.
    Depends entirely on Trump's approval ratings at the time.

    If the Democrats win the 2026 midterms and take both chambers of Congress there is a 90% chance they will start impeachment proceedings against Trump in my view
    Are you offering 9/1 ?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090

    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
    I just see it as Biden not being willing to sacrifice his family on the alter of democracy. Understandable really.
    I see it as Biden shitting on what's left of his reputation, and levelling the moral balance between his administration and his successor’s.
    He's an old man with an old man's fears.

    Really sad to see.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,249
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front

    No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)

    Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer

    Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.

    It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen

    Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have

    Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.

    Not when everyone despises Labour, Starmer the Left, which we do. It's all gravy

    We'll see. I can see why you are so excited but when politicians and the media start siding with a foreign government that threatens the UK on a daily basis if it does not change government, it's just possible that voters may take a dim view.

    Nah, it's Starmer Reeves and Labour. The clueless and the gormless

    I genuinely believe they are so shit they are headed for unprecedented, BEYOND-Truss levels of unpopularity, so UK voters won't especially mind - or care - who is hating on them, because Brits will be hating on them even more
    Never say 'hating on' something again. I barely held on to my lunch.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    Why do you say that?

    I don't think the story here is that the police had a woke agenda to cover up a terrorist motivation.

    The story is that the police and authorities, yet again, had multiple warnings that there was a potentially very violent person and they failed to do anything to prevent the murder of several young girls.
    My view is, if this was a white kid downloading far right stuff from the internet, they'd have said it was a terrorist attack.
    He downloaded stuff that would help him to kill people, and he watched videos of people being killed.

    If he'd had a terrorist motivation - say for the sake of argument he was a virulent misogynist - they likely would have found lots of evidence for this misogyny, and his terrorist motivation would have been clear.

    The British authorities have not been shy about labelling people as terrorists in the past.
    Haven't they? Usually the insistence is that it's a mental health reason and nothing to do with terrorism.
    Which may be true in this case, but is often palpably not.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    edited January 20
    Even just standing at a ceremony there's something slightly sinister about Donald Trump lol...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front

    No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)

    Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer

    Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.

    It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen

    Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have

    Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.

    Not when everyone despises Labour, Starmer the Left, which we do. It's all gravy

    We'll see. I can see why you are so excited but when politicians and the media start siding with a foreign government that threatens the UK on a daily basis if it does not change government, it's just possible that voters may take a dim view.

    Nah, it's Starmer Reeves and Labour. The clueless and the gormless

    I genuinely believe they are so shit they are headed for unprecedented, BEYOND-Truss levels of unpopularity, so UK voters won't especially mind - or care - who is hating on them, because Brits will be hating on them even more
    Never say 'hating on' something again. I barely held on to my lunch.
    HATING ON

    There goes ya lunch
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,292
    Driver said:

    Wasn't expecting Glory Glory Man United. Seems a bit out of place at present.

    It's actually Glory Glory Tottenham Hotspur, but the point stands.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,398
    edited January 20

    FFS, Its nearly 5pm and it's still light.

    Darkness descending at 16.47 GMT.
    Civil twilight until 4.55, marine twilight until 5.25 and astronomical twilight until 5.55.

    - Your crepuscular correspondent.

    (edited to correct simple arithmetic!)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    edited January 20
    Is Nige in attendance?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,290
    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.


    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    It shows a complete misunderstanding of why places are named as they are, and what those names signify.

    For example, Britons call the sea between Britain and Ireland the Irish Sea. Is this because we've somehow ceded it to them? No. It's because Britain is a maritime nation with a lot of seas to keep track of and you can't call them all British because then you wouldn't know which was which. So we call that sea the Irish Sea because it's the one next to Ireland from the point of view of Britain.

    It demonstrates that Britain has wider horizons that go beyond its territorial waters.

    Trump's small-mindedness is starkly revealed by the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
    So "English channel" demonstrates the small-mindedness of England?
    Yes. It shows our insecurity at having lost the Hundred Years War to France. The psychology goes something like:

    "Okay, so you've taken Normandy,
    Aquitaine, Gascony and now even Calais, but this, this Channel, it's OURS!"


    Kinda pathetic really.
    Is that what happened? I assumed "English Channel" was a translation of what some people on the continent called it.

    Anyway, as you say, it's fairly unusual (I think) for a country to name an adjacent body of water after itself.

    Bit like finding an Oxford Street in Oxford.
    I believe it's conventional in English to name a body of water after the second largest adjacent landmass.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Trump now gives his first speech as the new President of the USA, says 'the golden age of America begins right now, America will be the envy of the world and will not allow itself to be taken advantage of any longer, he will put America First'
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
    It’s just become a bit less clear, which is the point.
    For a normally readable and sensible poster perhaps you have been reading too much of Leon's ramblings.

    I believe the whole notion of Presidential pardons to be an outrage, however if the new President is malign enough to have suggested he intends to punish his political opponents once back in office it makes perfect sense to me to pre emptively pardon those people. Milley and Cheney aren't even political allies of Biden.

    We are talking about a man who tried to retain power in a coup after the 2020 Presidential Election. Look at the context. Get a grip!
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,113
    Perhaps Vance's elevation will bring pogonophobia back into fashion...
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736
    edited January 20
    You need 67 Senators to impeach, not 60.

    The Senate voted 55-45 to impeach Trump.

    (You need 60 to overcome filibuster for legislation)
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    tlg86 said:

    Driver said:

    Wasn't expecting Glory Glory Man United. Seems a bit out of place at present.

    It's actually Glory Glory Tottenham Hotspur, but the point stands.
    Meh, it's like "One Nil To The Arsenal". Even if it's not the original version it's the definitive one.

    (ChatGPT claims Hibs were first on BHotR, FWIW.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    FFS, Its nearly 5pm and it's still light.

    Darkness descending at 16.47 GMT.
    Civil twilight until 5.25, marine twilight until 5.55 and astronomical twilight until 6.25.

    - Your crepuscular correspondent.
    What time does the curfew start under martial law?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    MikeL said:

    MikeL said:

    Who is lady in green talking now?

    Republican Senator
    Thanks but does anyone know who?

    Senator Klobuchar who spoke first was introduced. Seems strange second lady wasn't.
    THey put her name up on Sky, but I can't remember it! :grimace:
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,283
    Leon said:

    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
    Just saying that doesn't make it true, I'm afraid. Especially when it flies in the face of the evidence

    It's oddly like Rachel Reeves believing that if she says "growth" enough, then "growth" will magically appear, like she is casting spells on the economy
    But having a look at the facts tells you (unless you are a complete idiot) that the Trump crime family is orders of magnitude more crooked than the Biden crime family.

    Of course Hillary Clinton using a private email server is the biggest crime ever committed anywhere in the history of the universe so you're partly right.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,090
    Cookie said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Is this why the authorities don't think Southport was terrorism? Couldn't do his school so found something else.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304645/Axel-Rudakubana-high-school-massacre-Southport-attack.html

    Southport attacker Axel Rudakubana is feared to have been planning Britain's first high school massacre a week before the knife rampage - but was talked out of going to the building by his father, it can be revealed.

    Armed with a large kitchen knife, the teenager wore a green hooded sweatshirt and surgical mask as he left his home to a waiting taxi. It would be the same outfit he chose to wear when he went on his murderous rampage in Southport last July.

    But his father Alphonse ran out after him and pleaded with the taxi driver not to take him on the 15-mile journey from the family home in Banks, Lancashire, to Range High School, in Formby, Merseyside.

    There is no suggestion Rudakubana's father knew what he is believed to have been planning at the school, but an eyewitness said: 'There was a confrontation and Rudakubana was eventually persuaded to leave the vehicle.'

    They've apparently combed over his digital history, the contents of his room and questioned him, but seem to have found no cause.

    If a person kills people because they're frustrated at the government's restrictions on smoking then that would be pro-Tobacco terrorism. If a person kills people just because they're obsessed with the idea of killing people then it's not.
    Their hearts must have sank when they found the terrorist stuff.
    Why do you say that?

    I don't think the story here is that the police had a woke agenda to cover up a terrorist motivation.

    The story is that the police and authorities, yet again, had multiple warnings that there was a potentially very violent person and they failed to do anything to prevent the murder of several young girls.
    My view is, if this was a white kid downloading far right stuff from the internet, they'd have said it was a terrorist attack.
    He downloaded stuff that would help him to kill people, and he watched videos of people being killed.

    If he'd had a terrorist motivation - say for the sake of argument he was a virulent misogynist - they likely would have found lots of evidence for this misogyny, and his terrorist motivation would have been clear.

    The British authorities have not been shy about labelling people as terrorists in the past.
    Haven't they? Usually the insistence is that it's a mental health reason and nothing to do with terrorism.
    Which may be true in this case, but is often palpably not.
    There have, unfortunately, been lots of terrorist attacks. To my knowledge the British authorities have not denied any of them as being terrorist. Do you have any in mind?

    The authorities have often emphasised that a lot of the more recent attacks have been by lone wolves who have self-radicalised (which I guess is where the mental health issues come in), rather than part of a terrorist cell of a larger terrorist organisation. This distinction is important because it distinguished between isolated attacks and those that are part of a sustained campaign (as were the IRA attacks).
  • HarrisHarris Posts: 6
    This speech is low energy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    Quite conciliatory for Trump
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,854
    Trump is reading out an old campaign speech.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,292
    Trump sounds old.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 57,279

    FFS, Its nearly 5pm and it's still light.

    Darkness descending at 16.47 GMT.
    Civil twilight until 5.25, marine twilight until 5.55 and astronomical twilight until 6.25.

    - Your crepuscular correspondent.
    What time does the curfew start under martial law?
    1am

    No seriously, I discovered the other day that Rangoon is under curfew, from 1am to 3am

    Not that it matters or anyone notices, the dismal streetlighting and power cuts/shortages are so bad everyone goes home by 11pm at the latest
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Trump promises to stop the education system teaching children to hate their nation and will demand the loyalty of the government to his administration
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,398

    FFS, Its nearly 5pm and it's still light.

    Darkness descending at 16.47 GMT.
    Civil twilight until 5.25, marine twilight until 5.55 and astronomical twilight until 6.25.

    - Your crepuscular correspondent.
    What time does the curfew start under martial law?
    Couvre feu, cover your fire, put out that light, don't you know there's a war on?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    Harris said:

    This speech is low energy.

    Thank you Kamala.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    Trump is reading out an old campaign speech.

    Was it one written by Neil Kinnock? That's been done before.
  • HarrisHarris Posts: 6
    He was saved by god are you listening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump says he was saved by God to make America great again
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    glw said:

    Leon said:

    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    If that's your take, your have lost the plot. It's pretty clear to most sensible people which side is the crooked one.
    Just saying that doesn't make it true, I'm afraid. Especially when it flies in the face of the evidence

    It's oddly like Rachel Reeves believing that if she says "growth" enough, then "growth" will magically appear, like she is casting spells on the economy
    But having a look at the facts tells you (unless you are a complete idiot) that the Trump crime family is orders of magnitude more crooked than the Biden crime family.

    Of course Hillary Clinton using a private email server is the biggest crime ever committed anywhere in the history of the universe so you're partly right.
    Once you get beyond a certain point, going further really doesn't matter - to take a domestic example, in a hypothetical Farage v Corbyn election, if doesn't matter which one is more unelectable because both are beyond the threshold.

    Whether Biden's actions today have taken him past that threshold is a matter for debate, of course.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,106

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    Sea of Watford?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,997
    Row 1 of the inauguration: The richest men in America who own all of the communications platforms.

    Row 2: The cabinet.

    https://x.com/Timodc/status/1881372233345773829
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,888
    HYUFD said:

    Trump says he was saved by God to make America great again

    God's got a lot to answer for, then.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    He wants this election to be more consequential than any other? If it ends up more consequential than 1860 it's going to be "interesting".
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,994
    Driver said:

    Wasn't expecting Glory Glory Man United. Seems a bit out of place at present.

    MUGA? Make United great again.

    Not watching the events. But I get the sense that the swearing in is a more meaningful moment than the daftness of our coronation.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    HYUFD said:

    Trump says he was saved by God to make America great again

    I'm not sure God was party to the shooting.

    God is a One Nation Tory and not a MAGA whackjob.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Will the national emergency at the southern border evolve into a special military operation?
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