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"I do not expect Trump to be impeached and convicted during his second term because of the broad immunity the majority of SCOTUS have granted him."
I'm not convinced by that logic. The argument for Presidential immunity is, in part, based on the idea that he can be impeached, and that that is the appropriate process to use. The immunity granted by SCOTUS should not interfere with an impeachment process.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
In terms of the comment in the article, "I do not expect Trump to be impeached and convicted during his second term because of the broad immunity the majority of SCOTUS have granted him", the conclusion is right but the reasons are less robust.
SCOTUS hasn't given Trump immunity in relation to impeachment and conviction by the Senate - that remains a possibility for sitting Presidents. But impeachment is hugely unlikely to happen in the first two years as Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives. Whilst it is wholly possible (indeed likely) Democrats will take the House in 2026, they are less likely to take the Senate, still less with the sort of majority to put them anywhere close to the two-thirds needed to convict.
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It is never convincing when you see the word ‘edited’ (ironically like this because I stuffed up the punctuation).
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It is never convincing when you see the word ‘edited&rsquo.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
There doesn't seem to be a market on next US President, on which a bet on Vance would cover you for all but one of these options, provided he isn't replaced as VP, and even if Trump goes to term Vance may win the next election (if there is one).
I can only see markets for winner of the 2028 election, where Vance is 11/4.
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If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
Or the 2025 Virginia gubernatorial election! There's also one in NJ, but that seems more predictable.
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If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
Vance could still be the Rishi to Trump's Boris, indeed he could also remove Trump by Cabinet vote too, the Brutus to his Caesar
Trump is not a young man but if betting on that basis, there is the risk bookies will cancel the markets on taste grounds.
I don't think there is a real risk of this, and they'd be subject to a legal action by people having their bet cancelled if they did.
The possibility Trump may die (or be incapacitated by a stroke or whatever) is built into those odds, which would be much longer on him not serving the full term if he was a younger person. The terms of the bet could also easily say that it won't pay out in the event of death, but presumably they don't.
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I can't see impeachment going anywhere, the bar is just too high (and it would lead to President JD Vance, which is going to give some of Trump's opponents pause).
I would be interested in an over/under 1.5 times the Dems try impeachment in the next four years though...
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
You do remember they tried it twice in his first term?
Just realised how much Trump must be loving all of this
He hasn't just made the greatest comeback in US political history, he also escaped death by assassination by about two centimetres just a few months back
Now here he is, the 47th President. A remarkable story. You seriously would not put it in a screenplay, it would be rejected as too absurd
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CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
I don't think so. Trump is not particularly a details man, while Musk is a super-geeky mega-details detail-monster.
It could work quite well. Certainly they aren't AFAIA (which I'm not that particuarly) "passionate' about the same things which might lead to a conflict.
Just realised how much Trump must be loving all of this
He hasn't just made the greatest comeback in US political history, he also escaped death by assassination by about two centimetres just a few months back
Now here he is, the 47th President. A remarkable story. You seriously would not put it in a screenplay, it would be rejected as too absurd
And then when he releases the JFK assassination docs it turns out that the shooter on the grassy knoll was General Milley.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
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Why Penrith?
Leon was arrested for cottaging in Penrith.
Ah, I always wondered under what circumstances he regularly wore his badge of honour as an old lag. Thanks for the clarification.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
I suspect that the Democrats really would be that stupid.
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
I don't think so. Trump is not particularly a details man, while Musk is a super-geeky mega-details detail-monster.
It could work quite well. Certainly they aren't AFAIA (which I'm not that particuarly) "passionate' about the same things which might lead to a conflict.
There is a clear conflict between the Musk and Vance wings on trade, immigration and industrial policy. Trump might also grow tired of sharing the limelight.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
You do remember they tried it twice in his first term?
And see how the failure to get the Senate votes turned out for them. They assumed at the time that the failed attempt would rebound on the Senators who voted it down. They're unlikely to make that mistake again.
If they take control of the House in the midterms, they will be concentrating on winning in 2028.
Then you just get Vance, who is like Trump, but arguably more rightwing
A less competent thug, though. He even wrote a book.
Vance is actually very intelligent and articulate, if he became President he would probably be the second most intelligent US President this century after Obama. Vance while conservative also respects the rule of law
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
I don't think so. Trump is not particularly a details man, while Musk is a super-geeky mega-details detail-monster.
It could work quite well. Certainly they aren't AFAIA (which I'm not that particuarly) "passionate' about the same things which might lead to a conflict.
The theory is they are bith alpha, "wilful", prone to tantrums and very thin skinned, which is a pretty bad mix. I also think Musk will get bored of actual politics, if he has to do it
Still, as long as he's putting the boot into Starmer and Labour, it's all good. I hope Trump excarnates Starmer
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
Vance could still be the Rishi to Trump's Boris, indeed he could also remove Trump by Cabinet vote too, the Brutus to his Caesar
So who is Trump's Truss in the meantime? Perhaps Loomer.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
Of course they will, they are just keeping their head down now as it is just after Trump's re election win as Labour and anti Boris Tory MPs did after his 2019 win. As soon as partygate happened and Boris' poll ratings declined they pounced and removed him exactly as the Democrats would try and do if Trump's poll ratings declined again, perhaps joined by some of the old GOP anti Trump establishment and Democrat control of Congress again post the midterms would give them the mandate to do so.
Trump is not a young man but if betting on that basis, there is the risk bookies will cancel the markets on taste grounds.
It's not just taste grounds. IIRC, betting on the life if an individual is of dubious legality. In the days before Blair blurred the diffrence between betting and insurance, it would have been illegal.
Then you just get Vance, who is like Trump, but arguably more rightwing
I'm not sure he's more rightwing but I think he's more focused.
Remember when PB decided that Trump had made a suicidal Veep pick and Kamala had done another stroke of genius by choosing that cuddly dude whose name I forget
PB was utter shite during this entire election campaign. So much pathetic wishful thinking
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
Not necessarily, after Watergate the Democrats had over 60 Senators after the 1974 midterms and would have impeached Nixon had he not resigned, in which case if repeated they would only need a few GOP Senators who secretly always despised Trump to convict
@patrickwintour Andreas Michaelis, German ambassador to the US and former envoy to the UK, is victim of a disabling leak of his memo to Berlin on Trump. He wrote the Trump 2.0 agenda "of maximum disruption, of breaking up established political order and bureaucratic structures, as well as his plans for revenge, ultimately mean a redefinition of the constitutional order. "Basic democratic principles and checks and balances will be largely undermined, the legislature, law enforcement and media will be robbed of their independence and misused as a political arm, Big Tech will be given co-governing power," it says. Germany standing by their man in Washington, something Boris Johnson chose not to do when leak of similar sentiments expressed by UK ambassador in 1st term.
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.
Not when everyone despises Labour, Starmer the Left, which we do. It's all gravy
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
Vance could still be the Rishi to Trump's Boris, indeed he could also remove Trump by Cabinet vote too, the Brutus to his Caesar
So who is Trump's Truss in the meantime? Perhaps Loomer.
Not an issue in the US as the VP automatically replaces POTUS if he goes in office
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
You do remember they tried it twice in his first term?
And see how the failure to get the Senate votes turned out for them. They assumed at the time that the failed attempt would rebound on the Senators who voted it down. They're unlikely to make that mistake again.
If they take control of the House in the midterms, they will be concentrating on winning in 2028.
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.
Not when everyone despises Labour, Starmer the Left, which we do. It's all gravy
We'll see. I can see why you are so excited but when politicians and the media start siding with a foreign government that threatens the UK on a daily basis if it does not change government, it's just possible that voters may take a dim view.
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Johnson vs Wilson in the 1960s is the one usually cited.
No, they were still on the same spectrum even if they had a spat over Vietnam in which half the Democrats backed Wilson not LBJ anyway.
The Clinton administration in 1993 after Major and Central Office's support for Bush 41 in 1992 is closer and before that probably have to go back to IKE and Eden over Suez
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CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.
Not when everyone despises Labour, Starmer the Left, which we do. It's all gravy
We'll see. I can see why you are so excited but when politicians and the media start siding with a foreign government that threatens the UK on a daily basis if it does not change government, it's just possible that voters may take a dim view.
Nah, it's Starmer Reeves and Labour. The clueless and the gormless
I genuinely believe they are so shit they are headed for unprecedented, BEYOND-Truss levels of unpopularity, so UK voters won't especially mind - or care - who is hating on them, because Brits will be hating on them even more
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
You do remember they tried it twice in his first term?
And see how the failure to get the Senate votes turned out for them. They assumed at the time that the failed attempt would rebound on the Senators who voted it down. They're unlikely to make that mistake again.
If they take control of the House in the midterms, they will be concentrating on winning in 2028.
Every party which has tried to impeach the President of the opposing party has won the subsequent presidential election anyway. As the Democrats did in 1976 after they tried to impeach Nixon, as Republicans did in 2000 after they impeached but did not manage to convict Bill Clinton and as Democrats did in 2020 after they tried to impeach Trump
Then you just get Vance, who is like Trump, but arguably more rightwing
I'm not sure he's more rightwing but I think he's more focused.
Remember when PB decided that Trump had made a suicidal Veep pick and Kamala had done another stroke of genius by choosing that cuddly dude whose name I forget
PB was utter shite during this entire election campaign. So much pathetic wishful thinking
Just realised how much Trump must be loving all of this
He hasn't just made the greatest comeback in US political history, he also escaped death by assassination by about two centimetres just a few months back
Now here he is, the 47th President. A remarkable story. You seriously would not put it in a screenplay, it would be rejected as too absurd
Protagonist just too unlikeable. As well as being a racist rapist asshat.
HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico
See also:
Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf
Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
Until the start of WW1 the North Sea was widely known in the English speaking world as The German Sea. Funnily enough the Germans themselves referred to it as the North Sea.
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.
In trade terms though the US has a surplus with the UK as it does with a few nations like Brazil and Singapore so we go to the back of the queue for Trump's tariffs which he is focusing on China, Mexico, Canada and the EU where the US has a trade deficit with for his biggest tariffs
CNN noting that Elon Musk still seen by Trump as his main man - on the biz, tech front
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
Maybe - but it's not as if Musk is hugely popular in the UK. Like Trump, he is very widely disliked.
It doesn't matter, Musk can direct the news in a bad way for Labour, as we have already seen
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
Not for at least 100 years, probably more. It will be interesting to see how the British electorate reacts. I suspect there is some risk in the UK right - media and political - pushing it too far.
Not when everyone despises Labour, Starmer the Left, which we do. It's all gravy
We'll see. I can see why you are so excited but when politicians and the media start siding with a foreign government that threatens the UK on a daily basis if it does not change government, it's just possible that voters may take a dim view.
Nah, it's Starmer Reeves and Labour. The clueless and the gormless
I genuinely believe they are so shit they are headed for unprecedented, BEYOND-Truss levels of unpopularity, so UK voters won't especially mind - or care - who is hating on them, because Brits will be hating on them even more
Threatening, let alone damaging, the UK if the UK does not change its government is not going to be popular beyond the lunatic right.
HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico
Brilliant. If he can keep himself busy doing this sort of important stuff I'll be happy.
How do we decide what places are called? I thought a lot of places had different names depending upon who/where you are e.g. the English channel.
Just wondering what happens if I decide to change it back again, does he have to change it again? Should I drop him a line? Do I need to draw up an Executive Order of my own? Just trying to find out the process.
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
They won't. It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
You do remember they tried it twice in his first term?
And see how the failure to get the Senate votes turned out for them. They assumed at the time that the failed attempt would rebound on the Senators who voted it down. They're unlikely to make that mistake again.
If they take control of the House in the midterms, they will be concentrating on winning in 2028.
I would be surprised if the Democrats are that united. I would expect Trump to do something that in any objective view would meet the test that would merit an impeachment, because Trump doesn't obey rules.
So the Democrats will be divided between those who think that they should impeach Trump on the merits of the case, and those who would see it as a distraction from winning the 2028 elections.
Then you just get Vance, who is like Trump, but arguably more rightwing
I'm not sure he's more rightwing but I think he's more focused.
Remember when PB decided that Trump had made a suicidal Veep pick and Kamala had done another stroke of genius by choosing that cuddly dude whose name I forget
PB was utter shite during this entire election campaign. So much pathetic wishful thinking
You thought Harris would edge it didn’t you?
I did, but I certainly did not dismiss every single bit of evidence pointing to a Trump victory, as too many on here did - eg constantly shouting down @williamglenn. And of course I called out Biden's dementia two years back, and warned it would lead to disaster. So it is
For the purposes of clarity, I am not purely gleeful at Trump coming in to office, even if I sound so. I still think there is a high potential for disaster, especially with his threatened tariffs, he is still the polar bear on the melting ice floe. But am I, on today of all days, enjoying the discomfort of the Left? Yes, of course, we are all human
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
Not necessarily, after Watergate the Democrats had over 60 Senators after the 1974 midterms and would have impeached Nixon had he not resigned, in which case if repeated they would only need a few GOP Senators who secretly always despised Trump to convict
Firstly, there is zero prospect of Democrats having anything like 60 senators after the 2026 mid-terms. Secondly,they wouldn't need the support of GOP senators who "secretly always despised Trump". They need, effectively, GOP senators who BOTH secretly despise Trump and have no intention of standing for re-election (because they'd be successfully primaried for any conviction vote). That's fishing from far too small a pond.
HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico
Brilliant. If he can keep himself busy doing this sort of important stuff I'll be happy.
How do we decide what places are called? I thought a lot of places had different names depending upon who/where you are e.g. the English channel.
Just wondering what happens if I decide to change it back again, does he have to change it again? Should I drop him a line? Do I need to draw up an Executive Order of my own? Just trying to find out the process.
He can make it appear in US government documents and on US government maps, just like the UN can, in its English language publications, use "Czechia" and "T□rkiye".
Neither of them can make anyone outside their bureaucracies pay attention.
Confession: until I was about 28 I thought the Capitol was the White House, and sometimes the TV cameras showed a different angle, maybe the back door, or something, where the president lived
HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico
See also:
Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf
Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
"Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.
But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
With respect to the Gulf of Mexico, are we expecting Trump to sign an executive order instructing all Federal agencies to refer to it as the Gulf of America? E.g. should we expect National Hurricane Center advisories to use Gulf of America in place of Gulf of Mexico?
If Trump's tariffs increase US cost of living without bringing back many manufacturing jobs and his deportation of immigrants slows US growth and turns Hispanics against him and the Democrats sweep the 2026 midterms they will also almost certainly try and impeach him. The SC only allowed for his criminal immunity when serving as POTUS, he can still be impeached if the House votes for it and 2/3 of Senators convict him and vote to remove him from office.
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
I agree, although the two-thirds vote of the Senate is completely implausible. Republicans will have 53 seats once Vance's replacement is sworn in as Senator for Ohio. Even if the 2026 elections go incredibly badly for the GOP, they'd have high 40s of Senators (I think they'll have over 50 but for the sake of argument). So they'd need at least a dozen, and probably several more, to vote for impeachment (and in most cases for their own defeat in a primary if they ever intend to stand again). There just aren't the numbers for it to happen.
Not necessarily, after Watergate the Democrats had over 60 Senators after the 1974 midterms and would have impeached Nixon had he not resigned, in which case if repeated they would only need a few GOP Senators who secretly always despised Trump to convict
Firstly, there is zero prospect of Democrats having anything like 60 senators after the 2026 mid-terms. Secondly,they wouldn't need the support of GOP senators who "secretly always despised Trump". They need, effectively, GOP senators who BOTH secretly despise Trump and have no intention of standing for re-election (because they'd be successfully primaried for any conviction vote). That's fishing from far too small a pond.
Depends entirely on Trump's approval ratings at the time.
If the Democrats win the 2026 midterms and take both chambers of Congress there is a 90% chance they will start impeachment proceedings against Trump in my view
With respect to the Gulf of Mexico, are we expecting Trump to sign an executive order instructing all Federal agencies to refer to it as the Gulf of America? E.g. should we expect National Hurricane Center advisories to use Gulf of America in place of Gulf of Mexico?
There are going to be a f***load of MAGA enthusiasts who are going to struggle to buy gas and eggs when $TRUMP comes crashing down around their ears. Serves 'em right!
Politically, in the UK Trump is a gift for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens and the LibDems. For Labour he is a potential nightmare, especially given Starmer's political leaden foot, unless he goes too far. At which point he may become an asset. He is difficult for the Tories too, as they just risk becoming seen as mini-Reform and increasingly irrelevant. For Reform, it's interesting. There are clear upsides to being his cheerleaders in terms of exposure and relevance but at some point a level of distance may be required.
With respect to the Gulf of Mexico, are we expecting Trump to sign an executive order instructing all Federal agencies to refer to it as the Gulf of America? E.g. should we expect National Hurricane Center advisories to use Gulf of America in place of Gulf of Mexico?
Or what else is meant by renaming the place?
Yes, apparently that is what we should expect
That's likely to be a more successful act then most people would expect. You'll have the media quoting statements from government agencies that will reinforce the change, whenever the place is in the news
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I'm not convinced by that logic. The argument for Presidential immunity is, in part, based on the idea that he can be impeached, and that that is the appropriate process to use. The immunity granted by SCOTUS should not interfere with an impeachment process.
But I agree with your other points!
Vance would then become POTUS for the remainder of Trump's term
SCOTUS hasn't given Trump immunity in relation to impeachment and conviction by the Senate - that remains a possibility for sitting Presidents. But impeachment is hugely unlikely to happen in the first two years as Republicans have a majority in the House of Representatives. Whilst it is wholly possible (indeed likely) Democrats will take the House in 2026, they are less likely to take the Senate, still less with the sort of majority to put them anywhere close to the two-thirds needed to convict.
It would take something much more catastrophic than a serious tariff induced recession to get GOP senators to vote in favour of impeachment, and the Democrats aren't likely to make the mistake of starting a process they can't win, after the last time they tried it.
And as noted above, death is likely to void any market.
If you want to bet on US politics, save your powder for the midterms.
I can only see markets for winner of the 2028 election, where Vance is 11/4.
Why Penrith?
The possibility Trump may die (or be incapacitated by a stroke or whatever) is built into those odds, which would be much longer on him not serving the full term if he was a younger person. The terms of the bet could also easily say that it won't pay out in the event of death, but presumably they don't.
No sign of their falling out yet (tho I think they will, eventully)
Not good news for Labour and Starmer, given how much Musk loathes Labour and Starmer
I would be interested in an over/under 1.5 times the Dems try impeachment in the next four years though...
He hasn't just made the greatest comeback in US political history, he also escaped death by assassination by about two centimetres just a few months back
Now here he is, the 47th President. A remarkable story. You seriously would not put it in a screenplay, it would be rejected as too absurd
Have you been there ?
It could work quite well. Certainly they aren't AFAIA (which I'm not that particuarly) "passionate' about the same things which might lead to a conflict.
ETA and subsidies.
They assumed at the time that the failed attempt would rebound on the Senators who voted it down. They're unlikely to make that mistake again.
If they take control of the House in the midterms, they will be concentrating on winning in 2028.
Still, as long as he's putting the boot into Starmer and Labour, it's all good. I hope Trump excarnates Starmer
Have we ever had an American administration THIS hostile to the UK party of government? I am not sure we have
PB was utter shite during this entire election campaign. So much pathetic wishful thinking
Andreas Michaelis, German ambassador to the US and former envoy to the UK, is victim of a disabling leak of his memo to Berlin on Trump. He wrote the Trump 2.0 agenda "of maximum disruption, of breaking up established political order and bureaucratic structures, as well as his plans for revenge, ultimately mean a redefinition of the constitutional order.
"Basic democratic principles and checks and balances will be largely undermined, the legislature, law enforcement and media will be robbed of their independence and misused as a political arm, Big Tech will be given co-governing power," it says. Germany standing by their man in Washington, something Boris Johnson chose not to do when leak of similar sentiments expressed by UK ambassador in 1st term.
https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/1881340323978178812
Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf
Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
And whoever was around in 1812?
The Clinton administration in 1993 after Major and Central Office's support for Bush 41 in 1992 is closer and before that probably have to go back to IKE and Eden over Suez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQklEU34nNU
I genuinely believe they are so shit they are headed for unprecedented, BEYOND-Truss levels of unpopularity, so UK voters won't especially mind - or care - who is hating on them, because Brits will be hating on them even more
How do we decide what places are called? I thought a lot of places had different names depending upon who/where you are e.g. the English channel.
Just wondering what happens if I decide to change it back again, does he have to change it again? Should I drop him a line? Do I need to draw up an Executive Order of my own? Just trying to find out the process.
So the Democrats will be divided between those who think that they should impeach Trump on the merits of the case, and those who would see it as a distraction from winning the 2028 elections.
For the purposes of clarity, I am not purely gleeful at Trump coming in to office, even if I sound so. I still think there is a high potential for disaster, especially with his threatened tariffs, he is still the polar bear on the melting ice floe. But am I, on today of all days, enjoying the discomfort of the Left? Yes, of course, we are all human
Neither of them can make anyone outside their bureaucracies pay attention.
Or what else is meant by renaming the place?
If the Democrats win the 2026 midterms and take both chambers of Congress there is a 90% chance they will start impeachment proceedings against Trump in my view
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/15/tiktoks-us-unit-could-be-worth-as-much-as-50-billion-in-a-sale.html
https://x.com/gilesmacdonogh/status/1881358407921537436?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q