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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    Musk looks very sinister.
    Trump - what a COMPLETE TOSSER
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump will today declare a national emergency at the southern US border, all illegal entry will be halted and millions of illegal immigrants returned to whence they came. Catch and release policy and troops will be sent to enforce that
  • HarrisHarris Posts: 6
    So hes going to deport millions. Hmm.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,184
    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    FWIW, and its not much, the SC decision on immunity has no impact on the right of Congress to impeach a President. But since the description given in the heading is an absurdly flattering depiction of the Republican Senators and their concept of morality Trump is indeed safe.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    Designating the drug cartels as "foreign terrorist organisations" - anyone have a feel for how consequential that is?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Well this is an example of putting out a positive and confident vision rather than managed decline. Take note, Labour. However, I do not doubt that the end result will be more power and wealth for the rich.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    edited January 20

    Will the national emergency at the southern border evolve into a special military operation?

    With troops being removed from Germany and the UK?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    Which is still more than the 22% of Americans who say they have no religion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
  • HarrisHarris Posts: 6
    This is going to be a 4 year hatefest.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,830
    edited January 20
    Cookie said:

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    HAHAHAHAH He's actually renamed the Gulf of Mexico

    See also:

    Persian Gulf / Arabian Gulf

    Using the former in the UAE does not go down well.
    How long until the European Commission starts insisting on calling the North Sea the "German Sea"?
    As I just posted it would just be reverting to its pre WW1 English name.
    "Just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Naming things is a highly political act.


    But your point is dumb. The Northern Europeans including the Germans always called it the North Sea. It was the British who decided to change what they called it from the German Sea to the North Sea. In a way we were falling into line with the rest of Europe even if we were doing it for other reasons.
    Musk has just tweeted that Britain should rename the North Sea "the East Sea" so expect this to be Conservative policy by the weekend
    Doesn't he realise it's North from London?

    Tsk.
    "The Zone 6 Sea"
    It shows a complete misunderstanding of why places are named as they are, and what those names signify.

    For example, Britons call the sea between Britain and Ireland the Irish Sea. Is this because we've somehow ceded it to them? No. It's because Britain is a maritime nation with a lot of seas to keep track of and you can't call them all British because then you wouldn't know which was which. So we call that sea the Irish Sea because it's the one next to Ireland from the point of view of Britain.

    It demonstrates that Britain has wider horizons that go beyond its territorial waters.

    Trump's small-mindedness is starkly revealed by the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico.
    So "English channel" demonstrates the small-mindedness of England?
    Yes. It shows our insecurity at having lost the Hundred Years War to France. The psychology goes something like:

    "Okay, so you've taken Normandy,
    Aquitaine, Gascony and now even Calais, but this, this Channel, it's OURS!"


    Kinda pathetic really.
    Is that what happened? I assumed "English Channel" was a translation of what some people on the continent called it.

    Anyway, as you say, it's fairly unusual (I think) for a country to name an adjacent body of water after itself.

    Bit like finding an Oxford Street in Oxford.
    I believe it's conventional in English to name a body of water after the second largest adjacent landmass.
    IIRC the 'English Channel' really was deemed to be English full stop. In the old days the English kings decided they owned it and insisted that every foreign ship salute any Royal ship - hence the old ship name Sovereign of the Seas. Trouble was, they often didn't provide the bite to match their bark, so to speak (and compare UK administrations since and including Mrs Thatcher).

    Caused many a skirmish right up to the occasional war.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Trump promises to 'drill baby drill' for oil and gas and end green new deal and revoke electric car mandate
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    ooh, we have a new one! What's the over/under on this one?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    Drill Baby Drill, finally something I can get behind, we need to exploit while we transition to renewables.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    Joe and Kamala don't look very happy...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883

    Will the national emergency at the southern border evolve into a special military operation?

    With troops being removed from Germany and the UK?
    Starmer may well feel he needs to send British troops to assist.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,888
    Driver said:

    Designating the drug cartels as "foreign terrorist organisations" - anyone have a feel for how consequential that is?

    How does he know they're 'foreign'? Any more than the booze importers were in Prohibition days.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    I wonder how Harris feels watching this. Must be awful having to sit there. At least she turned up. ‘Here’s what you could have won’. Last time out a sore loser no showed.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481

    Well this is an example of putting out a positive and confident vision rather than managed decline. Take note, Labour. However, I do not doubt that the end result will be more power and wealth for the rich.

    Boris Johnson was good at bigging up the nation, unfortunately the delivery wasn't quite in keeping with the rhetoric. Liz Truss was also good at bigging up the nation, oh...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    If think Donald is giving up on the "green crap" as a former Prime Minister once called it...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump confirms he will tariff and tax foreign countries to enrich US citizens and have a US internal revenue service actively enforcing tariffs on imported goods
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,410
    edited January 20
    .

    Leon said:

    Here it is

    BREAKING: Biden has pardoned his family https://justice.gov/pardon/media/1385756/dl?inline

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1881381082664456667


    Basically, the USA is now two mafia gangs who occasionally slot each other, and who look after their own

    Frankly hard to disagree with your take.
    This is an anbsolute abomination.
    I just see it as Biden not being willing to sacrifice his family on the alter of democracy. Understandable really.
    I see it as Biden shitting on what's left of his reputation, and levelling the moral balance between his administration and his successor’s.
    You don't think it says more about Trump's previous threats to maliciously prosecute Biden's entire family when he becomes president, and his disregard for the rule of law, than it does about Biden's "moral balance" ?
  • HarrisHarris Posts: 6
    Happiest person in world today must be Putin as he watches America weakened and drift into chaos.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    GIN1138 said:

    Joe and Kamala don't look very happy...

    Can’t blame them. Especially Harris. She must have been dreading this. It cannot be easy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    MikeL said:

    You need 67 Senators to impeach, not 60.

    The Senate voted 55-45 to impeach Trump.

    (You need 60 to overcome filibuster for legislation)

    @MikeL

    I found her name - Deb Fischer!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Trump will sign an executive order to end all government censorship and bring back free speech to America so state cannot imprison political opponents
  • eekeek Posts: 28,795
    Driver said:

    ooh, we have a new one! What's the over/under on this one?

    He seems to be a slow burner but then again he’s picked a time when the conversation isn’t instantly The Ukraine so 24?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Harris said:

    Happiest person in world today must be Putin as he watches America weakened and drift into chaos.

    You can stop campaigning now, Kamala. The election's over.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    HYUFD said:

    Trump says he was saved by God to make America great again

    Enough to turn you into an Atheist?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    HYUFD said:

    Trump promises to 'drill baby drill' for oil and gas and end green new deal and revoke electric car mandate

    Musk just shat himself!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump will end EDI and ensure America is colourblind with only 2 genders male and female (ie no trans I presume)
  • Just noticed Boris in the audience
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448

    Just noticed Boris in the audience

    Boris!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,990
    tlg86 said:

    Trump sounds old.

    Trump is old.

    At inauguration, he is not only older than any previously inaugurated US president but also older than all but four leaders of any G7 country since 1945 were when they *left* office.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    He will compensate anybody expelled from armed forces for failing to comply with Covid vaccine mandate with full back pay
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736
    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    Mention Greenland! You know you want to!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    HYUFD said:

    He will compensate anybody expelled from armed forces for failing to comply with Covid vaccine mandate with full back pay

    Tackling the big issues
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    20 minutes, and still going...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Trump promises to be a peacemaker and unifier and not get involved in foreign wars while hostages are coming home from Gaza
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,736

    MikeL said:

    You need 67 Senators to impeach, not 60.

    The Senate voted 55-45 to impeach Trump.

    (You need 60 to overcome filibuster for legislation)

    @MikeL

    I found her name - Deb Fischer!
    Thanks a lot!!!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,830
    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    TBF, that is the (English) state sect. You need to remember the other denominations and add them in.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    Has he said how he is going to bring down the price of eggs yet?
  • HarrisHarris Posts: 6
    There it is Gulf of America.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Mount McKinley!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,481
    edited January 20
    HYUFD said:

    Trump confirms he will tariff and tax foreign countries to enrich US citizens and have a US internal revenue service actively enforcing tariffs on imported goods

    Welcome to the 1930s.
  • The world order has changed
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531

    HYUFD said:

    He will compensate anybody expelled from armed forces for failing to comply with Covid vaccine mandate with full back pay

    Tackling the big issues
    Can't get much bigger than Mount McKinley.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,355

    Has he said how he is going to bring down the price of eggs yet?

    Yes, tarriffs on imported eggs. I'm sure that will work
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,249

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    CBS: Biden has pardoned basically his entire family, obviously because they're not at all guilty of anything.

    By “whole family”, do you just, in fact, mean his son?
    No, he has apparently done all of the Bidens
    Really? If true, it’s just insane.

    There is still perhaps, a second or so for him to be effectively sectioned, and for Kamala to step in.
    'The Biden Crime Family' of which Hunter is the 'nominated defendant' (I think) ie the one that gets all the shit/prison etc. so the rest can look innocent is a very big conspiracy theory.

    Which these catch-all pardons do very little to scotch.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,830
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    He will compensate anybody expelled from armed forces for failing to comply with Covid vaccine mandate with full back pay

    Tackling the big issues
    Can't get much bigger than Mount McKinley.
    Gulf of Mexico is rather bigger.

    Wondering what else he might rename.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    Gulf of America will replace Gulf of Mexico and William McKinley name will be restored to Mount Mckinley.

    He says McKinley made America very rich through tariffs and investment and involvement in Panama Canal.

    He says his America will take back the Panama Canal as they have been giving it to China to use in Panama
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Harris said:

    There it is Gulf of America.

    Only 6 posts!
  • Panama is being taken back

    Next Greenland?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    HYUFD said:

    Gulf of America will replace Gulf of Mexico and William McKinley name will be restored to Mount Mckinley.

    He says McKinley made America very rich through tariffs and investment and involvement in Panama Canal.

    He says his America will take back the Panama Canal as they have been giving it to China to use in Panama

    So can Panama consider that a declaration of war?
  • EastwingerEastwinger Posts: 356
    Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    Openly hinting at conquest.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Plenty more than that from our villages at our Christmas carol services percentage wise in the C of E local churches
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    Trump on the Panama Canal: "We didn't give it to China; we gave it to Panama, and we're taking it back."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    He will compensate anybody expelled from armed forces for failing to comply with Covid vaccine mandate with full back pay

    Tackling the big issues
    Can't get much bigger than Mount McKinley.
    Gulf of Mexico is rather bigger.

    Wondering what else he might rename.
    Greenland is even bigger!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    dixiedean said:

    Openly hinting at conquest.

    Biden and Harris clap the promise to plant the stars and stripes on Mars.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,795
    HYUFD said:

    Trump promises to be a peacemaker and unifier and not get involved in foreign wars while hostages are coming home from Gaza

    So Ukraine is screwed, Taiwan has problems and Panama is about to be invaded
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,990
    Carnyx said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    He will compensate anybody expelled from armed forces for failing to comply with Covid vaccine mandate with full back pay

    Tackling the big issues
    Can't get much bigger than Mount McKinley.
    Gulf of Mexico is rather bigger.

    Wondering what else he might rename.
    He also just promised freedom of speech. So any American is free to continue to call it as it was before.

    Surprised he didn't call it the Gulf of Trump. Maybe he's saving that for one or both of the oceans bordering the country.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,222
    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    He's such a boring uninspiring speaker!
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,089
    Common mistake: The House has the power to "impeach", not the Senate. (Think of an impeachment as roughly equivalent to an indictment.)

    If the House impeaches a president, then the Senate holds a trial.

    (Incidentally, I agree that Mitch McConnell erred by not convicting Trump after his second impeachment. But I would have made the same mistake, because I figured Trump was history, and wouldn't bother us again.)
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,122
    edited January 20

    Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.

    The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago

    I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,283
    I guess in a world where big countries take bits of smaller countries if they feel like it, every single country in the world will be scrambling to get a few nukes.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,806

    Trump on the Panama Canal: "We didn't give it to China; we gave it to Panama, and we're taking it back."

    see Putin and Crimea for Trump's precedent
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump promises to be a peacemaker and unifier and not get involved in foreign wars while hostages are coming home from Gaza

    So Ukraine is screwed, Taiwan has problems and Panama is about to be invaded
    If Merz wins in Germany next month that will help Ukraine as he has promised more military aid for them then Scholz has, Taiwan probably needs to get nuclear weapons, Panama is screwed
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    He's not actually revealed anything new.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    edited January 20
    Taz said:

    Drill Baby Drill, finally something I can get behind, we need to exploit while we transition to renewables.

    The funny bit is that the US did "drill baby drill" under Biden: there was next to no new regulation of tight oil and gas production, and US oil production reached new heights in 2024. Current US oil production is about 13.5m barrels per day, up from 12.9m at the end of the Trump era. And pretty much all of that growth is tight oil out of the Permian.

    There are two things that Trump could row back on:

    (1) The ban on new offshore drilling, which was only announced this month... and which will make very little difference, because lead times are long and offshore US oil is not really cost competitive with the Permian.

    (2) The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge Drilling will I'm sure be reinstated... but it's not clear that is cost competitive with the Permian either. I'm sure there will be some exploratory well drilled, but it's hard to see why big oil and gas companies would want to spend a lot of money on stuff that is unlikely to be particularly cost competitive, has long lead times, and which could get rolled back by the next administration.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,758
    Crikey he’s going on a bit
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531

    Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.

    The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago

    I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
    Someone is having a breakdown for sure.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.

    The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago

    I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
    Biden was the only Democrat who actually beat Trump
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    A small part of total church attendance: https://faithsurvey.co.uk/uk-christianity.html
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,249
    I am glad Trump has been elected. I shall not be calling it the Gulf of America or anything so silly though - I detest it when names change.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    Harris said:

    So hes going to deport millions. Hmm.

    What happened to Harris? Did she walk away?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,056
    edited January 20
    He really hasn't s clue how tariffs work has he? That should be fun to watch.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    dixiedean said:

    Openly hinting at conquest.

    Biden and Harris clap the promise to plant the stars and stripes on Mars.
    Mars Inc. is based in the USA!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Fishing said:

    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
    Depends where you go, evangelical Holy Trinity Brompton for instance is a C of E church with £10 million in its coffers and lots of young people and families in its congregation. In our rural churches we get Roman Catholics and evangelicals too as the C of E churches are the only churches of any denomination in our small villages and hamlets. Cathedrals also get a good number for their services and paying tourists
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,326
    eek said:

    Driver said:

    ooh, we have a new one! What's the over/under on this one?

    He seems to be a slow burner but then again he’s picked a time when the conversation isn’t instantly The Ukraine so 24?
    I should've taken the under...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,669

    Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.

    The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago

    I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
    Thoughtful right wingers really ought to be having a collective breakdown as well. This guy is your global standard bearer- are these really your standards?

    As the line in the movie goes,
    Do you still think you can control them?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762

    ...I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined...

    Um, everything he has said has been pretty widely trailed over the last few days or weeks, and Project 2025/Agenda47/whatever were wide-ranging and specific. There's nothing here that's surprising.

  • Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.

    The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago

    I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined as I said earlier the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
    Instead of acting righteous and acting like you or your children are not affected by any of this, why don't you tell us what your opinion is for a change rather than making casual swipes at "the left" who on the whole, especially normal every day people, had absolutely no say as to whether Biden ran or not.
    It is not righteous to say the obvious and it will have consequences for everyone
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited January 20
    Carrie Underwood now performs America the Beautiful as Trump has finished his speech
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    The Golden Age has begun in silence.
    Everything was working well up till now...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,883
    kjh said:

    He really hasn't s clue how tariffs work has he?

    The idea that the consumer foots the whole bill for them is far too simplistic though.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,185
    All about inflation now. If they actually follow through on some of this stuff...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,806
    The Reps now have their elephant ... watch out China shop!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,768
    RIP British Foreign Policy 1940-2024. You had a good run.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    HYUFD said:

    Carrie Underwood now performs America the Beautiful as Trump has finished his speech

    America the Punitive?
  • HYUFD said:

    Trump confirms he will tariff and tax foreign countries to enrich US citizens and have a US internal revenue service actively enforcing tariffs on imported goods

    Welcome to the 1930s.
    How did that turn out, can we remember?

    Bad day to be Ukrainian, Panamanian or a Greenlander.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    kjh said:

    He really hasn't s clue how tariffs work has he? That should be fun to watch.

    Ironically he will end up pushing China and the EU closer together as both engage in a tariff war with Trump's US
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,646
    edited January 20
    Jonathan said:

    RIP British Foreign Policy 1940-2024. You had a good run.

    This is the point. "America first" on steroids means that America is not our friend and we should act as such. The other alternative is that we capitulate and simply join the United States.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,701
    Fishing said:

    MikeL said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    dixiedean said:

    For a secular nation they don't have toady to God.
    Seems all very foreign.

    Secular nation? There might be separation of church and state in theory, but they're way more religious than us in reality.
    Regular church attendance in the US has declined from 42% in 2003 to 30% in 2023.
    And it's about 5% here, so the point stands.
    Church of England regular attendance is 1%.
    Might want to change its name to something like Church of Old, Habit-Driven, Traditionalist England With Nothing Better To Do On A Sunday.
    A lot of ignorant, wrong minded people who don’t know how to love only insult around these days.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,106
    Driver said:

    Designating the drug cartels as "foreign terrorist organisations" - anyone have a feel for how consequential that is?

    Clear and Present Danger by Tom Clancy.

    Probably his most best book - the film rewrote the story stupidly.

    In the book, the President declares the Colombian drug cartel (supposed to be Medellin, give the time, but not named) as a threat to the US. The use of the military goes slowly wrong. It’s not (largely) due to overt evil - people do X, which seems reasonable to them. Which causes Y. Then someone does Z.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,997
    HYUFD said:

    Trump pulling no punches. Guardian and BBC crapping their pants.

    The left will be having a collective breakdown, all because they didn't take Biden out of the running years ago

    I expected a change but this is far more than anything anyone could have imagined and as I said earlier, the world order has changed on today, 20th January 2025
    Biden was the only Democrat who actually beat Trump
    It’s a pretty bloody small dataset.
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