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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    edited November 5

    For reference, here's the exit poll from 2016 when Trump beat Clinton. Would be interesting to compare the numbers with the one's we've got so far:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

    Well, I think sex has become more polarised since the last election, while I expect race to be less so:



    (Those are 2016 numbers.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,767
    edited November 5
    The Harris campaign is sharing some early insights out of Pennsylvania:

    *The campaign says it's seeing high Puerto Rican turnout in Philadelphia

    *The campaign says it's seeing high enthusiasm from college students, including long lines at Lehigh University in critical Pennsylvania


    https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1853929064366764170
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
    @AlexanderShur

    🧵Just before 2 p.m., an election observer noticed a panel on tabulators in Milwaukee's central count weren't properly closed. The panel that wasn't closed contains tabulators' on/off switches. They were supposed to have been locked in the morning

    Milwaukee is going to recount every absentee ballot that had been counted because of this issue. They had already tabulated 30,000 ballots.

    The count will go very late

    https://x.com/AlexanderShur/status/1853923629664211185
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,881

    The Harris campaign is sharing some early insights out of Pennsylvania:

    *The campaign says it's seeing high Puerto Rican turnout in Philadelphia

    *The campaign says it's seeing high enthusiasm from college students, including long lines at Lehigh University in critical Pennsylvania


    https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1853929064366764170

    Can they sign their own name though?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,931
    Have to say that if Harris wins against this background with the majority unhappy about the direction of the country and the state of the economy she will have performed a miracle.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    Scott_xP said:

    @AlexanderShur

    🧵Just before 2 p.m., an election observer noticed a panel on tabulators in Milwaukee's central count weren't properly closed. The panel that wasn't closed contains tabulators' on/off switches. They were supposed to have been locked in the morning

    Milwaukee is going to recount every absentee ballot that had been counted because of this issue. They had already tabulated 30,000 ballots.

    The count will go very late

    https://x.com/AlexanderShur/status/1853923629664211185

    That's Wisconsin.

    Oh boy.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    Yes, it's hard to see how it doesn't translate into Trump winning the popular vote.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Andy_JS said:
    OOOH! 276 - 262 which is the same as my (very unsophisticated) projection!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,940
    edited November 5
    rcs1000 said:

    FYI, just looked at the latest Ralston post on NV from a few hours ago. Feels like he does not feel that confident rte a D hold of NV

    Nobody should be confident of anything in Nevada.
    So its a bit of a crapshoot?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,326

    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426

    That’s definitely not her
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
    Early spin...

    @NatashaC
    Congressman Seth Magaziner, of Rhode Island, tells me
    @LBC


    - there's a "cautious optimism" among Democrats tonight and "It feels like the late momentum is on her side"
    - turnout seems high
    - Thinks it's "unlikely to be as close as the polls suggest"

    "People were feeling better today than a week ago... [the polls] have turned around. The Harris campaign has a more robust and effective get out the vote campaign, it was incredible, they were knowing on 2,000 doors per minute in the state of Pennsylvania alone - the Trump campaign had nothing like that on the ground. We know it's a close race, but there's optimism, the momentum seems to have shifted in her direction, the ground operation is more robust"

    "Turnout is looking high, high here in Rhode Island, closer to 2020 levels than 2016, and I'm hearing from the same in swing states, particularly in suburbs, Charlotte, Philadelphia, Detroit. I think that favours the Vice President"

    https://x.com/NatashaC/status/1853929805517115840
  • Andy_JS said:
    Thanks. How have you decided on the state by state predictions (it looks like you have your biggest swing to Dem in Kansas and your biggest swing to Rep in NY)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,564
    Saving Private Ryan is on
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237

    Democrats have been fearful of losing the vote of Michigan’s large Arab American and Muslim American communities over the Biden-Harris administration’s response to Israel’s war on Gaza, and at a polling station in Dearborn there was some evidence that they were right to be concerned.

    Although it was a small sample size, none of the Arab American voters the Guardian spoke to had voted for Harris

    Guardian blog

    Yes, that is a big worry. From the vox pops, Gaza seems to have driven quite a few Muslims and younger voters to Stein.
    There was an Arab-American spokesperson onstage at one of the Trump rallies yesterday saying the community had swung behind Trump over Gaza.
    Doesn't he say Biden and Harris haven't backed Netanyahu enough?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 1,994



    She's on the phone, that's the end of that conspiracy

    But does she want to go home?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,499
    .

    If it had been Biden, he would have got spanked....or if the GOP had picked a sensible, less divisive, candidate...as the dissatisfaction / angry numbers are incredibly high in the CNN poll.

    My worst prediction of 2024 was that if Biden was the nominee, he would beat Trump.

    I hadn’t quite anticipated DebateGate and all that flowed from it, but I could have anticipated the gaffes/decline and it becoming a prominent issue.
    Mine was laying both Trump and Biden for the nomination, way back when.
    Made climbing back quite difficult.
  • Did we cover yesterday the Focaldata MRP prediction?

    https://www.focaldata.com/blog/our-final-report-on-the-us-presidential-election

    Lean – just – to Harris: We think the race is very marginally lean Harris - 276 electoral college votes to 262 on a national vote share of lead 2.7%. We would assign a 55% probability of a Harris win at this stage.some text
    This is driven by wins across the Blue wall (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania)
    The reason its “lean” Harris - and nothing stronger - is she’s losing all in the states which have less historical polling error and due to win in all the states that have had massive anti Republican polling (1-6%) last two cycles
    Only 0.7% swing towards the Republicans in swing states gives it to Trump. Last average error was 3.5 points and in 2016 it was 3.7 points.
    Harris could win bigger than people think: If our polls are correct - there exists a credible path to Harris winning bigger than Biden in 2020, she’s within touching distance in Georgia and North Carolina. If she takes this plus midwest she’s on course for 328 votes
    Harris was the rust belt candidate and weaker in the south during the campaign; that’s now reversing. Harris has been stronger in mid west and weaker in south all campaign - but in our polling this trend has actually been reversing past 2 weeks - stronger in Georgia and North Carolina and softening in mid west
    We are not convinced that the Mid West always moves as one: We are not super convinced that the mid west will move as one (State statistics from when they last didn’t move together) - we think PA is beginning tilting Democrat, but WI looks very close, and Michigan polling - safest in our estimates - prime candidate for a polling error
    The Democrat coalition looks a lot more Reagan-esque than before: The pattern of the election is that the Harris coalition will be whiter, richer, more educated and more female than previous Democrat coalitions. There will be some racial depolarisation - but it is modest vs the headlines (see our principal component analysis below)
    The Fundamentals favour Trump. If we weren’t looking at voting intention opinion polls - our prior would be a Trump win. Firstly the performance of incumbent governments, second Trump owns with material leads the top three issues. The side that overperforms on top issues normally wins. In the plus Harris column is the fact that she has superior favourable ratings in Mid West
    Early voting doesn’t provide any clarity: Early voting largely indicate a really close election - rather than blue wave. Michigan and Nevada look worse than current polls for Democrats, but other states look more in line with our estimates
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    Considering how much attention has been paid trying to reach out to disaffected Republicans and assure them she is not extreme, very not good.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950

    Question - the pollsters who haven't been able to spot the underground surge of women (a) registering, (b) organising and, (c) voting Harris whether they're allowed to or not. Are they now picking these voters up and being told the truth when doing their "what voters think" polls? Or just going off what their husbands want?

    The more fundamental issue - according to the guy in WATo earlier anyhow - is that apparently very few Americans are willing to respond to the pollsters (typically 2-3%, he said), raising huge questions about the representativeness of those who do.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,477
    ...
    Andy_JS said:
    That's tight. I hope you are correct.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    Yes, it's hard to see how it doesn't translate into Trump winning the popular vote.
    Well, we'll see.

    But I do have money on Harris losing the PV and winning the Presidency, so who knows :smile:
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,968

    Question - the pollsters who haven't been able to spot the underground surge of women (a) registering, (b) organising and, (c) voting Harris whether they're allowed to or not. Are they now picking these voters up and being told the truth when doing their "what voters think" polls? Or just going off what their husbands want?

    I don’t understand the fixation with some wee election in America when there’s a much more important election in Central Buchan on Thursday.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    ....
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,819

    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426

    That’s definitely not her
    Very weird. Also, Trump has really aged. Just looks like an old man.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,499
    Imagine being a voter who just today found out Joe Biden isn’t running
    https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1853895012079280423
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903

    Question - the pollsters who haven't been able to spot the underground surge of women (a) registering, (b) organising and, (c) voting Harris whether they're allowed to or not. Are they now picking these voters up and being told the truth when doing their "what voters think" polls? Or just going off what their husbands want?

    I don’t understand the fixation with some wee election in America when there’s a much more important election in Central Buchan on Thursday.
    Is Rochdale Pioneers standing again?!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,957
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    They close at 6pm Eastern.

    And, yes, it's very early.
    Got to get home in time to do the milking.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzwrodS2HV8
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237

    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426

    That’s definitely not her
    Very weird. Also, Trump has really aged. Just looks like an old man.
    It was silly when people tried to pretend Biden hadn't lost a step or two, and it's silly when Trump and his acolytes pretend he's as energetic and mentally agile as four years ago.

    If people wanted to argue with either they were still the better choice, fine, I did that with Biden myself, but the denial of reality is off the charts.
  • rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Boy, an EC tie would be pure chaos…

    I just put $5 on Polymarket at 1,000-1 on a tie :smile:
    Silvers simulations had it around 300/1.
    On my simulations that's about right or even on the generous side. But I must admit I haven't modelled ME2 properly and I have a feeling if that changes hands the tie is quite a bit more likely because it makes it more realistic to get exactly 269 each.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,940
    Nigelb said:

    Imagine being a voter who just today found out Joe Biden isn’t running
    https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1853895012079280423

    Who is Joe Biden?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,499
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    NBC NORTH CAROLINA - EXIT POLL

    "Is Trump Too Extreme?"

    Yes: 51%
    No: 46%
  • Andy_JS said:
    Thanks. How have you decided on the state by state predictions (it looks like you have your biggest swing to Dem in Kansas and your biggest swing to Rep in NY)
    Thanks a lot Andy!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,968
    Cookie said:

    Question - the pollsters who haven't been able to spot the underground surge of women (a) registering, (b) organising and, (c) voting Harris whether they're allowed to or not. Are they now picking these voters up and being told the truth when doing their "what voters think" polls? Or just going off what their husbands want?

    I don’t understand the fixation with some wee election in America when there’s a much more important election in Central Buchan on Thursday.
    Is Rochdale Pioneers standing again?!
    Yes, he’s a glutton for punishment.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,018
    For your entertainment, while you are waiting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 555

    Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell

    who for though?
    Sounds like he was knocking for Dems. Also sounds like they need the Lib Dems legendary telling app if they're knocking up people who've voted.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,931
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    NBC NORTH CAROLINA - EXIT POLL

    "Is Trump Too Extreme?"

    Yes: 51%
    No: 46%
    Was there an option of far too extreme?
  • Nigelb said:

    Imagine being a voter who just today found out Joe Biden isn’t running
    https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1853895012079280423

    Who is Joe Biden?
    I cannot remember.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,957

    Saving Private Ryan is on

    "Please! I like America!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237
    I feel like I'm watching a slow moving disaster which will end in utter ruin for a once glorious people.

    Mainly because I'm watching the Fall of Civilizations podcast about Ancient Egypt.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,878

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    It does seem mad that polls in the US close so early given how long voting takes
    Isn't it just simple voter suppression? Restricting voting times does suppress voting. If you can only vote between 9am and 5pm; and you have an office job; unless you take one of your two days statutory holidays, you can't vote.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    Dopermean said:

    Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell

    who for though?
    Sounds like he was knocking for Dems. Also sounds like they need the Lib Dems legendary telling app if they're knocking up people who've voted.
    The LDs use a version of the Dems’ software
  • Yawning already
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    I’m knackered after a busy day at the office and a bad night’s sleep. Is it worth me staying up much longer?
  • IanB2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell

    who for though?
    Sounds like he was knocking for Dems. Also sounds like they need the Lib Dems legendary telling app if they're knocking up people who've voted.
    The LDs use a version of the Dems’ software
    MiniVAN. Its bloody brilliant.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596

    The Harris campaign is sharing some early insights out of Pennsylvania:

    *The campaign says it's seeing high Puerto Rican turnout in Philadelphia

    *The campaign says it's seeing high enthusiasm from college students, including long lines at Lehigh University in critical Pennsylvania


    https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1853929064366764170

    Can they sign their own name though?
    The key question!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
    @mrdavidwhitley

    British exit polls: This is the exact breakdown of how many seats each party will win.

    US exit polls: 36% of voters don't like pineapple on pizza.
  • I’m knackered after a busy day at the office and a bad night’s sleep. Is it worth me staying up much longer?

    Set the alarm for 3am and turn the volume off so it doesn't wake the Mrs.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,756
    tyson said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Just to say Andy- you are a legend...thanks so much for putting this out for us
    Also to add - I hope you are spot on!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,699
    DavidL said:

    Have to say that if Harris wins against this background with the majority unhappy about the direction of the country and the state of the economy she will have performed a miracle.

    She has managed to position herself as change from both Biden and Trump though. Which has been quite a trick.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    ….
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596

    Yawning already

    That makes two of us buddy
  • tyson said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Just to say Andy- you are a legend...thanks so much for putting this out for us
    Also to add - I hope you are spot on!
    Me too!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237

    I’m knackered after a busy day at the office and a bad night’s sleep. Is it worth me staying up much longer?

    Timing is a bugger. Apparently if we give it a couple more hours some actually impactful data may come in, but given how things shift you'll then be up all night fretting. But if you sleep 4-5 hours you might miss something major.

    I feel like a nap, but I'm no good at just grabbing a couple of hours without feeling like shit.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    NBC NORTH CAROLINA - EXIT POLL

    "Is Trump Too Extreme?"

    Yes: 51%
    No: 46%
    And there you go.

    I've just bought Harris in North Carolina.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Trump to win the popular vote and Harris to win the EC is still at 2.6 to 100 on Polymarkets, looks like the best value bet out there at the moment, still not the most likely outcome, just the most undervalued.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    NBC NORTH CAROLINA - EXIT POLL

    "Is Trump Too Extreme?"

    Yes: 51%
    No: 46%
    Was there an option of far too extreme?
    Or “sufficiently extreme”? :)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950

    IanB2 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell

    who for though?
    Sounds like he was knocking for Dems. Also sounds like they need the Lib Dems legendary telling app if they're knocking up people who've voted.
    The LDs use a version of the Dems’ software
    MiniVAN. Its bloody brilliant.
    Somewhat over-engineered for many local campaigns, however. I always liked EARS
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    kle4 said:

    I feel like I'm watching a slow moving disaster which will end in utter ruin for a once glorious people.

    Mainly because I'm watching the Fall of Civilizations podcast about Ancient Egypt.

    :D
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,564

    Saving Private Ryan is on

    "Please! I like America!"
    "Fuck Hitler!"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    FYI, the exit poll the various media outlets are reporting on is the same one.

    Joe Lenski is the executive vice-president of Edison Research and leads the team conducting the US exit poll on behalf of the TV networks, including the BBC.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,820
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @AlexanderShur

    🧵Just before 2 p.m., an election observer noticed a panel on tabulators in Milwaukee's central count weren't properly closed. The panel that wasn't closed contains tabulators' on/off switches. They were supposed to have been locked in the morning

    Milwaukee is going to recount every absentee ballot that had been counted because of this issue. They had already tabulated 30,000 ballots.

    The count will go very late

    https://x.com/AlexanderShur/status/1853923629664211185

    That's Wisconsin.

    Oh boy.
    WI, MI and PA all go the same way don't they?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,848
    edited November 5

    I’m knackered after a busy day at the office and a bad night’s sleep. Is it worth me staying up much longer?

    Depends if you want to aim for the early hours info dumps from GA and NC which @rcs1000 has flagged as being important indicators.

    As it is, I won’t be able to and instead I’ll be checking back in early doors. I’m hoping we’ll know one way or another by then - if I’ve missed all the drama I won’t be particularly upset. But of course there is a chance we won’t.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,685
    I don’t normally like them, but the Farage effigy at the Lewes bonfire is spot on.

    https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/24703091.live-thousands-flock-lewes-bonfire-2024/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,756

    Yawning already

    That makes two of us buddy
    Fake news - there's three of us yawning.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237
    Given the Supreme Court's views on crime, Biden could presumably commit a lot of crimes to try to help Harris and he'd never even have to worry about prosecution.

    Good thing for Trump Biden wouldn't try that.
  • ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 70

    Did we cover yesterday the Focaldata MRP prediction?

    https://www.focaldata.com/blog/our-final-report-on-the-us-presidential-election

    Lean – just – to Harris: We think the race is very marginally lean Harris - 276 electoral college votes to 262 on a national vote share of lead 2.7%. We would assign a 55% probability of a Harris win at this stage.some text
    This is driven by wins across the Blue wall (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania)
    The reason its “lean” Harris - and nothing stronger - is she’s losing all in the states which have less historical polling error and due to win in all the states that have had massive anti Republican polling (1-6%) last two cycles
    Only 0.7% swing towards the Republicans in swing states gives it to Trump. Last average error was 3.5 points and in 2016 it was 3.7 points.
    Harris could win bigger than people think: If our polls are correct - there exists a credible path to Harris winning bigger than Biden in 2020, she’s within touching distance in Georgia and North Carolina. If she takes this plus midwest she’s on course for 328 votes
    Harris was the rust belt candidate and weaker in the south during the campaign; that’s now reversing. Harris has been stronger in mid west and weaker in south all campaign - but in our polling this trend has actually been reversing past 2 weeks - stronger in Georgia and North Carolina and softening in mid west
    We are not convinced that the Mid West always moves as one: We are not super convinced that the mid west will move as one (State statistics from when they last didn’t move together) - we think PA is beginning tilting Democrat, but WI looks very close, and Michigan polling - safest in our estimates - prime candidate for a polling error
    The Democrat coalition looks a lot more Reagan-esque than before: The pattern of the election is that the Harris coalition will be whiter, richer, more educated and more female than previous Democrat coalitions. There will be some racial depolarisation - but it is modest vs the headlines (see our principal component analysis below)
    The Fundamentals favour Trump. If we weren’t looking at voting intention opinion polls - our prior would be a Trump win. Firstly the performance of incumbent governments, second Trump owns with material leads the top three issues. The side that overperforms on top issues normally wins. In the plus Harris column is the fact that she has superior favourable ratings in Mid West
    Early voting doesn’t provide any clarity: Early voting largely indicate a really close election - rather than blue wave. Michigan and Nevada look worse than current polls for Democrats, but other states look more in line with our estimates

    Is Focaldata the only MRP - in recent days?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,866
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
    Considering how much attention has been paid trying to reach out to disaffected Republicans and assure them she is not extreme, very not good.
    What is she exactly?

    She has only had a few months to define herself as a candidate. Has she really done that?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,968
    kle4 said:

    Given the Supreme Court's views on crime, Biden could presumably commit a lot of crimes to try to help Harris and he'd never even have to worry about prosecution.

    Good thing for Trump Biden wouldn't try that.

    Just one little drone strike on a villa in Florida….
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @AlexanderShur

    🧵Just before 2 p.m., an election observer noticed a panel on tabulators in Milwaukee's central count weren't properly closed. The panel that wasn't closed contains tabulators' on/off switches. They were supposed to have been locked in the morning

    Milwaukee is going to recount every absentee ballot that had been counted because of this issue. They had already tabulated 30,000 ballots.

    The count will go very late

    https://x.com/AlexanderShur/status/1853923629664211185

    That's Wisconsin.

    Oh boy.
    WI, MI and PA all go the same way don't they?
    My last minute adjustment to my prediction was for PA to go Trump but WI and MI go Harris.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited November 5
    Some very scary answers to things about threat to democracy, fair election and violence post election....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    edited November 5
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,756

    I’m knackered after a busy day at the office and a bad night’s sleep. Is it worth me staying up much longer?

    Set the alarm for 3am and turn the volume off so it doesn't wake the Mrs.
    ...and make sure to stay awake in the meantime so you don't miss when it silently goes off.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,499
    .

    Nigelb said:

    Imagine being a voter who just today found out Joe Biden isn’t running
    https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1853895012079280423

    Who is Joe Biden?
    Along those lines.

    HOLD ON. i just found out there is a *separate* guy named jon favreau who is the pod save america guy. this whole time i thought jon favreau the filmmaker was just really involved in pod save america but being lowkey about it..
    https://x.com/oliviastowell/status/1853621476055802245
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,699
    Gaussian said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, given how many people have voted early, how representative are the exit polls anyway?

    Surely they're not literally just exit polls, but either combined with polls of people who've already voted or at least weighted to account for that?
    You might think, but...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596

    I’m knackered after a busy day at the office and a bad night’s sleep. Is it worth me staying up much longer?

    Depends if you want to aim for the early hours info dumps from GA and NC which @rcs1000 has flagged as being important indicators.

    As it is, I won’t be able to and instead I’ll be checking back in early doors. I’m hoping we’ll know one way or another by then - if I’ve missed all the drama I won’t be particularly upset. But of course there is a chance we won’t.
    Yes, I was thinking trying to cling on for that at 0100. But it seems a long way off. Just made a cuppa!
  • .

    Saving Private Ryan is on

    "Please! I like America!"
    "Fuck Hitler!"
    You've swung behind Harris!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,881

    Frank Luntz
    @FrankLuntz


    This isn’t going to take hours.
    It’s going to take days.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,756
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:

    Imagine being a voter who just today found out Joe Biden isn’t running
    https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1853895012079280423

    Who is Joe Biden?
    Along those lines.

    HOLD ON. i just found out there is a *separate* guy named jon favreau who is the pod save america guy. this whole time i thought jon favreau the filmmaker was just really involved in pod save america but being lowkey about it..
    https://x.com/oliviastowell/status/1853621476055802245
    Apparently there are two Steve McQueen Hollywood legends.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,186
    Of course it is correct. It has the Dems taking Virginia and Minnesota and therefore MUST BE CORRECT :D
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    kle4 said:

    Given the Supreme Court's views on crime, Biden could presumably commit a lot of crimes to try to help Harris and he'd never even have to worry about prosecution.

    Except that the Trump Supreme Court gets to decide what is and isn't part of the president's official business to which immunity applies.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237


    Frank Luntz
    @FrankLuntz


    This isn’t going to take hours.
    It’s going to take days.

    An optimist.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299


    Frank Luntz
    @FrankLuntz


    This isn’t going to take hours.
    It’s going to take days.

    Polls have now closed in much of Indiana and Kentucky.
  • .
    Scarpia said:

    Did we cover yesterday the Focaldata MRP prediction?

    https://www.focaldata.com/blog/our-final-report-on-the-us-presidential-election

    Lean – just – to Harris: We think the race is very marginally lean Harris - 276 electoral college votes to 262 on a national vote share of lead 2.7%. We would assign a 55% probability of a Harris win at this stage.some text
    This is driven by wins across the Blue wall (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania)
    The reason its “lean” Harris - and nothing stronger - is she’s losing all in the states which have less historical polling error and due to win in all the states that have had massive anti Republican polling (1-6%) last two cycles
    Only 0.7% swing towards the Republicans in swing states gives it to Trump. Last average error was 3.5 points and in 2016 it was 3.7 points.
    Harris could win bigger than people think: If our polls are correct - there exists a credible path to Harris winning bigger than Biden in 2020, she’s within touching distance in Georgia and North Carolina. If she takes this plus midwest she’s on course for 328 votes
    Harris was the rust belt candidate and weaker in the south during the campaign; that’s now reversing. Harris has been stronger in mid west and weaker in south all campaign - but in our polling this trend has actually been reversing past 2 weeks - stronger in Georgia and North Carolina and softening in mid west
    We are not convinced that the Mid West always moves as one: We are not super convinced that the mid west will move as one (State statistics from when they last didn’t move together) - we think PA is beginning tilting Democrat, but WI looks very close, and Michigan polling - safest in our estimates - prime candidate for a polling error
    The Democrat coalition looks a lot more Reagan-esque than before: The pattern of the election is that the Harris coalition will be whiter, richer, more educated and more female than previous Democrat coalitions. There will be some racial depolarisation - but it is modest vs the headlines (see our principal component analysis below)
    The Fundamentals favour Trump. If we weren’t looking at voting intention opinion polls - our prior would be a Trump win. Firstly the performance of incumbent governments, second Trump owns with material leads the top three issues. The side that overperforms on top issues normally wins. In the plus Harris column is the fact that she has superior favourable ratings in Mid West
    Early voting doesn’t provide any clarity: Early voting largely indicate a really close election - rather than blue wave. Michigan and Nevada look worse than current polls for Democrats, but other states look more in line with our estimates

    Is Focaldata the only MRP - in recent days?
    YouGov from 1 November.

    https://today.yougov.com/elections/us/2024
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,300
    edited November 5
    Good evening PB, let the fun begin!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    GIN1138 said:

    Good evening PB, let the fun begin!

    Your original typo was more fitting of America :-)
  • Sean Trende has an in interesting article doing a pre-mortem for each campaign:

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/stories/analysis/a-pre-mortem-for-both-campaigns
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,881

    Went to see Macbeth at the Harold Pinter theatre with my son tonight - he's doing it for GCSE. It is the David Tennant production although he wasn't in it tonight- they seem to have been hit by a wave of illness and injuries and extraordinarily the show went ahead with five understudies in principal roles, including Macbeth and Lady Mabeth. It was still an excellent production with incredible use of sound and the audience gave a standing ovation to the stand-ins.
    Whatever happens to the world we'll always have Shakespeare.

    Macbeth had no time for exit polls.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    edited November 5
    Interesting that @Andy_JS @londonpubman snd the Focaldata MRP are all forecasting the same result: Harris 276.
  • Nigelb said:

    Imagine being a voter who just today found out Joe Biden isn’t running
    https://x.com/ArmandDoma/status/1853895012079280423

    Didn't click on the link, is it a picture of Joe Biden looking confused in a voting booth ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869

    Interesting that @Andy_JS @londonpubman snd the Focaldata MRP are all forecasting the same result: Harris 276.

    The Focaldata MRP has Florida 🔴 51.7% 🔵 45.3%, so that's my early benchmark.
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