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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,599
    kle4 said:

    Democrats have been fearful of losing the vote of Michigan’s large Arab American and Muslim American communities over the Biden-Harris administration’s response to Israel’s war on Gaza, and at a polling station in Dearborn there was some evidence that they were right to be concerned.

    Although it was a small sample size, none of the Arab American voters the Guardian spoke to had voted for Harris

    Guardian blog

    Yes, that is a big worry. From the vox pops, Gaza seems to have driven quite a few Muslims and younger voters to Stein.
    There was an Arab-American spokesperson onstage at one of the Trump rallies yesterday saying the community had swung behind Trump over Gaza.
    Doesn't he say Biden and Harris haven't backed Netanyahu enough?
    Trump's fundamental claim is that Hamas would not have attacked Israel in the first place and it follows from there that Israel would not have flattened Gaza.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,284
    So, do I wait up, not having school tomorrow as I don’t work on Wednesdays this year, or do I go to bed now to allow for the fact that my doctor wants to check up on my blood pressure in the morning?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 5
    MattW said:

    It's interesting that the Rest is Politics ('Bad Al and Snory Rory') live feed is getting 80k viewers, whilst GB News is getting slightly over 2k.

    Oooops.

    GB News is weird. They rarely get high live numbers on YouTube compared to how many they get via OTA and via radio. But they do incredibly well with YouTube videos, 1.7bn views.

    My guess is lots of oldies, they still turn on the moving picture box and watch via traditional means, but they also all have iPads and sit clicking YouTube videos on their ipads.

    As a business model, the problem for GB News is the YouTube doesn't pay good advertising revenue for content farming anymore. 5-10 years ago, it would be a goldmine to get 1.7bn views from constantly uploading a few mins clips.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292

    Interesting that @Andy_JS @londonpubman snd the Focaldata MRP are all forecasting the same result: Harris 276.

    I did my forecasts without looking at any other prediction websites because I find that's the best way to make accurate predictions. Finished 99% of it last night, made a few small adjustments this afternoon.
  • I wonder how CNN has got its lag on its stream down so low, when Sky Sports still can't do it in under a minute
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    Exit poll suggests a 1% increase in female:male ratio.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    Oh God. Oh God.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting that @Andy_JS @londonpubman snd the Focaldata MRP are all forecasting the same result: Harris 276.

    I did my forecasts without looking at any other prediction websites because I find that's the best way to make accurate predictions. Finished 99% of it last night, made a few small adjustments this afternoon.
    Upon what, though, do you base your forecasts?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,897
    @KennyFarq

    Interesting line from Niall Ferguson saying this isn’t a national election, it’s a national divorce.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
  • I do wonder if this is a centrist decade
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,713

    MattW said:

    It's interesting that the Rest is Politics ('Bad Al and Snory Rory') live feed is getting 80k viewers, whilst GB News is getting slightly over 2k.

    Oooops.

    GB News is weird. They rarely get high live numbers on YouTube compared to how many they get via OTA and via radio. But they do incredibly well with YouTube videos, 1.7bn views.

    My guess is lots of oldies, they still turn on the moving picture box and watch via traditional means, but they also all have iPads and sit clicking YouTube videos on their ipads.
    'Views' on youtube are a bit like 'views' on twitter/X. This week I saw a 2hr video go up marked '20 seconds ago' which already had 100 'views'.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    Where are you getting the real-time Indiana results from?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,959
    edited November 5
    Yokes said:

    Did the Guardian get readers to send letters to Clark County voters this time round?

    Truly one of the greater collective acts of self important prickery. Still hilariously bad.

    It reminded me in an odd way of missionaries who go to uncontacted tribes to spread Christianity and get boiled alive or eaten or whatever.

    The result wasn't quite as lethal, not directly anyway, but you have the same arrogant condescension, the same complete misunderstanding of the local culture, and a similarly perverse outcome.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937
    Woah!

    Indiana numbers keep getting better for Harris
    She's ahead in Hamilton in the Indiana suburbs, which Trump won last time
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,723
    FPT:
    Phil said:

    From April, commercial pick-up trucks weighing more than one tonne will be classed as cars rather than vans for benefit-in-kind purposes.

    Tax bills for four-door trucks will rocket as a result. A 20pc taxpayer driving a pick-up as a company vehicle currently pays a flat rate of £792 a year, while a 40pc taxpayer pays £1,584 a year.

    Bills will surge to £4,400 a year for a basic rate taxpayer and £8,880 a year for a higher rate taxpayer driving Ford Ranger 2.0-litre diesel.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/farmers-pounded-second-time-labour-tax-grab-budget/

    This only applies (IIRC) to double cab pick-ups: https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/double-cab-pick-ups-to-be-treated-as-company-cars

    People were buying 6-seater pick-up trucks through their ltd companies as a cheap way to buy a large SUV-type vehicle for personal use. HMRC have been angling to close this loophole for a while.

    If you genuinely need a pick-up truck for your business you can buy a single cab pick-up instead which will have a larger bed & thus be more suitable for work use. Those will continue to be charged the commercial vehicle tax rate.
    Interesting that the Telegraph are trying to make a culture war of *this*. Even they admit that it is a loophole.

    They have a couple of things wrong - aiui it's one tonne payload and above not one tonne weight.

    And the problem was that this gave a significant tax break to the huge ones, that are less efficient, don't fit in parking spaces, and are even more dangerous, over the smaller ones. So people who may have needed a small vehicle were driven to go for a larger vehicle by a distorting tax system.

    I noted this here back in the spring when the decision was made, then had to reverse ferret when the Conservatives decided to use it as one of their portfolios of Hail Mary passes for the Election.

    My hope is that it will kill the whole segment stone dead; these vehicles have no place on our general roads. I think single cab pickups with 3 seats could meet much of the demand.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,805
    If Trump is just holding his 2020 vote or even doing slightly worse in IN, that’s not good news for him, you’d think, in WI/MI/PA. But very early days.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
    Yes. Trump is lagging his 2020 vote share in every single country in Indiana that has reported numbers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    edited November 5

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting that @Andy_JS @londonpubman snd the Focaldata MRP are all forecasting the same result: Harris 276.

    I did my forecasts without looking at any other prediction websites because I find that's the best way to make accurate predictions. Finished 99% of it last night, made a few small adjustments this afternoon.
    Upon what, though, do you base your forecasts?
    Mostly just raw data of opinion polls, and experience of observing elections over the years, getting a feel of how things go. Noticing what mistakes people/organisations tend to make with predictions over the years and trying to avoid them. I won a prediction competition on the VoteUK forum for the UK general election in July by forecasting Lab 411, Con 127, LD 70, which was fairly close to the result of Lab 407, Con 121, LD 72.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited November 5
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting that @Andy_JS @londonpubman snd the Focaldata MRP are all forecasting the same result: Harris 276.

    I did my forecasts without looking at any other prediction websites because I find that's the best way to make accurate predictions. Finished 99% of it last night, made a few small adjustments this afternoon.
    I simply started with the 'consensus' per 270towin.com with the exception of the 7 'swing states' (shown as 'toss-up' there) and then made my non-scientific projection for those 7 states.

    EDIT they are showing Arizona as lean GOP and I used that.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,492
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    anything on Kentucky?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,599
    rcs1000 said:

    More in: Stueben has gone from Trump +42 to Trump +36

    Harris is definitely outperforming Trump in rural Indiana

    For a niche definition of outperforming.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    Kentucky - Laurel - Harris 3% higher so far. Trump won on 81% last time
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,565

    kle4 said:

    Democrats have been fearful of losing the vote of Michigan’s large Arab American and Muslim American communities over the Biden-Harris administration’s response to Israel’s war on Gaza, and at a polling station in Dearborn there was some evidence that they were right to be concerned.

    Although it was a small sample size, none of the Arab American voters the Guardian spoke to had voted for Harris

    Guardian blog

    Yes, that is a big worry. From the vox pops, Gaza seems to have driven quite a few Muslims and younger voters to Stein.
    There was an Arab-American spokesperson onstage at one of the Trump rallies yesterday saying the community had swung behind Trump over Gaza.
    Doesn't he say Biden and Harris haven't backed Netanyahu enough?
    Trump's fundamental claim is that Hamas would not have attacked Israel in the first place and it follows from there that Israel would not have flattened Gaza.
    He’s also said he’d take all restraints off Netanyahu WRT Gaza and Lebanon.
    Arab American preferring him on Gaza is pretty nuts, but these things aren’t entirely rational.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
    Yes. Trump is lagging his 2020 vote share in every single country in Indiana that has reported numbers.
    He's behind his 2020 vote share in 12/12 counties.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    Where are you getting the real-time Indiana results from?
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-indiana-president.html
  • I think Harris will be comfortably over 300.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    Thanks for the share, Robert.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,612
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
    Yes. Trump is lagging his 2020 vote share in every single country in Indiana that has reported numbers.
    He's behind his 2020 vote share in 12/12 counties.
    That should be enough to move the market, surely?

    There might be local issues, but...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    anything on Kentucky?
    Wayne - Trump 2% off from 2020 so far
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
    Yes. Trump is lagging his 2020 vote share in every single country in Indiana that has reported numbers.
    He's behind his 2020 vote share in 12/12 counties.
    That should be enough to move the market, surely?

    There might be local issues, but...
    Pence isn't from Kentucky.

    Looking like similar off results there - but very very early
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    edited November 5
    ohnotnow said:

    MattW said:

    It's interesting that the Rest is Politics ('Bad Al and Snory Rory') live feed is getting 80k viewers, whilst GB News is getting slightly over 2k.

    Oooops.

    GB News is weird. They rarely get high live numbers on YouTube compared to how many they get via OTA and via radio. But they do incredibly well with YouTube videos, 1.7bn views.

    My guess is lots of oldies, they still turn on the moving picture box and watch via traditional means, but they also all have iPads and sit clicking YouTube videos on their ipads.
    'Views' on youtube are a bit like 'views' on twitter/X. This week I saw a 2hr video go up marked '20 seconds ago' which already had 100 'views'.
    I don't think it is necessarily super dodgy. They went for the content farming approach, 69K published videos....but they have definitely grown on YouTube, both subscribers and views on every video are up over the course of past year. Every video now gets at least 15k views, lots of 30/40/50k videos and the viral ones get 100k's.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,868

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
    Yes. Trump is lagging his 2020 vote share in every single country in Indiana that has reported numbers.
    He's behind his 2020 vote share in 12/12 counties.
    That should be enough to move the market, surely?

    There might be local issues, but...
    Not clear if it’s only early votes so far, or a combination.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    ….

    Why do you post this a lot?
    My vanilla just stores old messages so I have to clear it out fairly frequently. Sorry, I know it’s far from ideal.
    You know you can delete old drafts right
    You can but it’s a pain on a phone and when you are replying. But @RobD ’s tip sounds good!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    A drop for Lab was probably expected, but it's still pretty rough. Nice even distribution of the change though.

    New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

    SNP ~ 30% (+1)
    Lab ~ 23% (-9)
    Con ~ 15% (+3)
    RUK ~ 14% (+2)
    LD ~ 10% (+2)
    Grn ~ 6% (+1)
    Alba ~ 1% (-1)
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    Betfair moves:

    Trump 1.72 (from 1.65) in last 2 minutes
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    Switched off Channel 4 after getting fed up with Boris's waffling.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    Thinking of going to bed until say 3am.

    But will I sleep?

    Despite being bloody knackered.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    Andy_JS said:

    Switched off Channel 4 after getting fed up with Boris's waffling.

    Did you want more in-depth analysis from Stormy Daniels?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    MikeL said:

    Betfair moves:

    Trump 1.72 (from 1.65) in last 2 minutes

    1.75
  • Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    There's also the impact of abortion in these red states
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467
    MikeL said:

    Betfair moves:

    Trump 1.72 (from 1.65) in last 2 minutes

    It's as if betting folk read PB!!!
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,447
    edited November 5

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,723
    edited November 5
    FPT:
    HYUFD said:

    Here we go again.. apparently the Church of England is riddled from head to toe in structural and systemic racism, and black congregations are put off by memorials to slavers:

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/science/article/church-of-england-must-practise-what-it-preaches-on-racism-bhtwx97ks

    Not if you ask Tommy Robinson and Farage and their crew, apparently according to them the C of E is riddled with woke liberals opening the doors to the boats and immigrants and Sharia law.

    Most black Anglicans in my experience are small c conservatives and recognise memorials as of their time and history.

    The Bishop of Dover is black as was the last Archbishop of York.

    The Tories and C of E have had more black senior leaders than Labour has had
    I think I am probably more or less with @HYUFD on at least one question in this area.. Generally contextualisation is the way, not removal or demolition of historical monuments.

    There are exceptions both ways, but in general in an old church, an explanatory plaque next to a memorial makes more sense than removal of the memorial.

    That's the same stance I took on the "Rhodes Must Go" protests. It's something to be considered carefully, rather than fodder to leverage some sort of mini-revolution.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Pence and other former Cabinet officials I hope will have an understated impact on the election. Many of them are deeply conservative people, and they won't back the guy they worked for for years, even if many cannot bring themselves to actually vote against him openly or endorse his opponent.

    My hope would be that a sufficient number of Republicans can look at how unusual that is and just not find it credible that all of them are secret Democrats or bitter fools. The vast majority dismiss it, they're either really into Trump or just loyal to the brand even if unhappy, but if even those like Pence who know the man best as President are hesistant, hopefully there are people quietly saying they cannot give him another go.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    MikeL said:

    Betfair moves:

    Trump 1.72 (from 1.65) in last 2 minutes

    1.75
    The markets don’t like the swings in the Midwest counties but these are tiny samples. It could just be noise.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,436

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    Is Harris matching Biden?

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    BREEAAKKKKINNNNGGG NEWSSSSSS......Exit poll, Georgia voters economy is most important issue.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,805
    GA exit poll issues feel better for Trump. 40% economy.
  • SagandSagand Posts: 38

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    Exit Poll questions for Georgia were better for Trump.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,467

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    Is Harris matching Biden?

    I meant Flloyd. no idea where wolf came from

    She is off by a couple of points as well.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    GA exit poll issues feel better for Trump. 40% economy.

    BREEAAKKKKINNNNGGG NEWSSSSSS......Exit poll, Georgia voters economy is most important issue.

    Georgia was so insanely close last time I had in the Trump bag this time pretty early. That Trump cost them two senate seats as well as probably better than the Democrats could have hoped for.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,378
    edited November 5
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm tracking Indiana in real time here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fF5u9dkfyVkx4U83N87RKKHtal1VgAQyCq6tMne7PwI/edit?usp=sharing

    Trump is currently behind in every county

    To be clear, you mean Trump2024 is behind Trump2020 in every county.
    Yes. Trump is lagging his 2020 vote share in every single country in Indiana that has reported numbers.
    He's behind his 2020 vote share in 12/12 counties.
    Do you recall whether he extended his lead as the votes came in or not?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937
    15/15 counties now show Trump behind his 2020 share in Indiana
  • How many channels does Jeremy Vine work for? 🤔🧐
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937
    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    Betfair Xchange

    Harris 2.38 / 2.4
    Trump 1.72 / 1.73
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    Is Harris matching Biden?

    I meant Flloyd. no idea where wolf came from

    She is off by a couple of points as well.

    So a very slight swing to the Democratic candidate v 2020?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,868
    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Do they release early voting statistics? They were counted very quickly…
  • Being cynical, but could the GOP be behind bomb threats in Georgia polling locations forcing them to close?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627

    How many channels does Jeremy Vine work for? 🤔🧐

    And I have no idea why.....
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,447

    Being cynical, but could the GOP be behind bomb threats in Georgia polling locations forcing them to close?

    Probably not directly. But wouldn’t be surprised if the caller had a thick Russian accent…
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937
    edited November 5
    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    TRUMP RUNNING 0.42% AHEAD OF HIS 2020 LEAD IN ORANGE COUNTY! (Indiana)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Is the %in column % of registered voters or % of votes counted?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    kle4 said:

    Does the US have reporting restrictions on election day? Feels like they wouldn't, free speech and all that.

    Pretty sure it doesn't. The UK restriction is a bit moot these days because it doesn't apply to sites like PB where most people discuss things.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,687

    Being cynical, but could the GOP be behind bomb threats in Georgia polling locations forcing them to close?

    pretty obv voter suppression tactics
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,565
    Anecdote about Musk’s paid election worker organisation.

    Don't know if it'll matter, but none of the four paid Trump workers I spoke with at polling stations around Philly supported Trump -- and three voted for Harris
    https://x.com/JoshuaGreen/status/1853931359913595242
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    MikeL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    More in from Indiana:



    Wells was previously Trump +56
    Knox Trump +47

    So Trump is currently running 3-4 points behind where he was in Indiana across the board.

    I guess issue is whether there is a disproportionate amount of mail in the numbers reported so far.
    Not sure re: current practice, but when I was a poll-site election judge in Indiana about 40 years ago, when polls closed we counted ALL the ballots, absentees as well as in-person cast EDay (no in-person early voting back then).

    So am thinking that current, partial results include BOTH absentee/early and EDay poll-site. IF somebody knows (as opposed to speculating) lets us know!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,031
    Andy_JS said:

    Betfair Xchange

    Harris 2.38 / 2.4
    Trump 1.72 / 1.73

    Interestingly the popular vote market has barely moved
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Andy_JS said:

    kle4 said:

    Does the US have reporting restrictions on election day? Feels like they wouldn't, free speech and all that.

    Pretty sure it doesn't. The UK restriction is a bit moot these days because it doesn't apply to sites like PB where most people discuss things.
    I appreciate CNN etc might not release actual exit poll voter stats before polls close , but if there aren't restrictions why does the GOP use immediate figures to terrorise voters?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937

    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Is the %in column % of registered voters or % of votes counted?
    % of votes counted
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,595
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    TRUMP RUNNING 0.42% AHEAD OF HIS 2020 LEAD IN ORANGE COUNTY! (Indiana)
    18% counted though
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,031

    Being cynical, but could the GOP be behind bomb threats in Georgia polling locations forcing them to close?

    Russia
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,292
    tyson said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Just to say Andy- you are a legend...thanks so much for putting this out for us
    Thanks tyson. Just hope it's not too wrong, lol.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,331

    Being cynical, but could the GOP be behind bomb threats in Georgia polling locations forcing them to close?

    No.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    kle4 said:

    A drop for Lab was probably expected, but it's still pretty rough. Nice even distribution of the change though.

    New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

    SNP ~ 30% (+1)
    Lab ~ 23% (-9)
    Con ~ 15% (+3)
    RUK ~ 14% (+2)
    LD ~ 10% (+2)
    Grn ~ 6% (+1)
    Alba ~ 1% (-1)
    Would give Tories balance of power in Holyrood
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,492
    edited November 5
    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Hamilton is a massive population with an 8% Harris swing, so if representative of Suburbs then Trump is toast.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    HYUFD said:

    Here we go again.. apparently the Church of England is riddled from head to toe in structural and systemic racism, and black congregations are put off by memorials to slavers:

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/science/article/church-of-england-must-practise-what-it-preaches-on-racism-bhtwx97ks

    Not if you ask Tommy Robinson and Farage and their crew, apparently according to them the C of E is riddled with woke liberals opening the doors to the boats and immigrants and Sharia law.

    Most black Anglicans in my experience are small c conservatives and recognise memorials as of their time and history.

    The Bishop of Dover is black as was the last Archbishop of York.

    The Tories and C of E have had more black senior leaders than Labour has had
    I think I am probably more or less with @HYUFD on at least one question in this area.. Generally contextualisation is the way, not removal or demolition of historical monuments.

    There are exceptions both ways, but in general in an old church, an explanatory plaque next to a memorial makes more sense than removal of the memorial.

    That's the same stance I took on the "Rhodes Must Go" protests. It's something to be considered carefully, rather than fodder to leverage some sort of mini-revolution.
    A thoughtful and considered view.

    Get with the times!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Hamilton is a massive population with an 8% Harris swing, so if representative of Suburbs then Trump is toast.
    Suburban women are the key it seems.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    'The states of democracy and the economy are the two issues at the top of voters’ minds, according to the initial results of CNN’s national exit poll of voters in this year’s presidential election.

    More than one-third call democracy their top issue, with about 3 in 10 saying the economy. That’s followed by abortion and immigration, with fewer than 5% calling foreign policy their top issue.

    More context: Thinking an issue is important, of course, doesn’t necessarily imply someone will vote solely on that basis, but polling on the top issues gives a sense of which concerns and campaign themes are resonating most with different parts of the electorate.

    The exit poll finds a sharp divide between voters backing Vice President Kamala Harris and those backing former President Donald Trump. A broad majority of Harris voters – slightly under 6 in 10 – call democracy their top issue, with about 20% calling abortion their top issue. About half of Trump' voters call the economy their top issue, followed by about 20% calling immigration their biggest issue.'
    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/2024-election-trump-harris#cm350guvx001g3b5we9h2gnba
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,627
    Are we again find that the Exit poll questions don't really line up with what people actually do in the polling booth.
  • We shouldn't tear down statues.

    But we should educate people, add context with signs etc.

    But the problem is that the "anti-w-word" brigade don't want that.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,983
    edited November 5
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    Personally suspect the opposite (based on spotty county returns) that votes reported in Kentucky are early PLUS EDay (not sure re: absentees) like (I think) in Indiana.
  • SagandSagand Posts: 38
    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    https://pro.stateaffairs.com/in/elections/indiana-early-voting-update-2024

    31% of voters had voted early without the last day, which would get you to about 50% of the total vote which these look like.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    edited November 6
    I've got a meeting in 9 hours, I don't think I'm going to go the distance this night.

    Man, I'm getting old.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,565

    Being cynical, but could the GOP be behind bomb threats in Georgia polling locations forcing them to close?

    Russia
    https://x.com/SevaUT/status/1853907219974132036
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,369
    Hamilton County, Indiana is 8% better for Harris than Biden, 55% counted
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    John King: Harris leading in Hamilton County, IN (just). Trump carried the county in both 2016 and 2020.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,369
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Hamilton is a massive population with an 8% Harris swing, so if representative of Suburbs then Trump is toast.
    8% change, not swing....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Hamilton County, Indiana is 8% better for Harris than Biden, 55% counted

    Suburban county… that is pretty interesting.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,868
    edited November 6
    On NBC they said GA would release early votes first, within an hour of polls closing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    edited November 6
    Pollls just closed in Indiana, Kentucky, S Carolina, Virginia and Vermont.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,937

    Hamilton County, Indiana is 8% better for Harris than Biden, 55% counted

    65% counted now. Still 8% better for Harris.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,688
    Indiana NOT called
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