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  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,968

    Foxy said:

    Just as an interlude

    Man Utd new manager

    Sporting 4 City 1

    New Champions League format is a drag. Its really impacting the teams in it with extra games.
    Too much football.....its 7 days a week.
    It’s the money men squeezing every possible cent out of football. At some point it will all come crashing down.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    edited November 5
    Sometimes it takes a while to figure out who on here to just filter out of your awareness. Then everything appears much calmer and more rational.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903

    IanB2 said:

    Harris will win. I am about 75% confident.

    That’s a 24% adverse swing from this morning, eeek
    I would still bet my life on it.
    Not sure you should be betting your life in something you're 75% confident on.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,018
    One way to understand voting problems in the US is to see them as like amateur dress rehearsals for plays. There are many, many people doing something that they only do once every two years -- and may never have done before.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,237
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Harris will win. I am about 75% confident.

    That’s a 24% adverse swing from this morning, eeek
    I would still bet my life on it.
    On a 75% hunch, that’s somewhere between rash and idiotic.
    With that kind of attitude he should be running a crypto exchange not betting on politics.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,701
    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    1&3 Harris
    2,4 Trump
    5?
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    rcs1000 said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    People are pissed about current state of things, don't think Biden was any good (but not that bad) and optimistic about the future.

    CNN reports "voters have come out today and voted in the Presidential election", "expect both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to attract multiple votes".
    89% of respondents agreed that it's Tuesday.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031

    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426

    yes
  • IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Harris will win. I am about 75% confident.

    That’s a 24% adverse swing from this morning, eeek
    I would still bet my life on it.
    On a 75% hunch, that’s somewhere between rash and idiotic.
    Nah I've upped it to 99% now.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,941
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Indeed, and she’s closed the gap on economy quite a bit in recent days and weeks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited November 5
    If it had been Biden, he would have got spanked....or if the GOP had picked a sensible, less divisive, candidate...as the dissatisfaction / angry numbers are incredibly high in the CNN poll.


  • ...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
  • If it had been Biden, he would have got spanked....or if the GOP had picked a sensible, less divisive, candidate...as the dissatisfaction / angry numbers are incredibly high in the CNN poll.

    Who should they have picked?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,820

    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426

    It must be, she is smiling.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    At least NBC’s exit poll has something to discuss. Unlike CNN’s.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Harris will win. I am about 75% confident.

    That’s a 24% adverse swing from this morning, eeek
    I would still bet my life on it.
    On a 75% hunch, that’s somewhere between rash and idiotic.
    Nah I've upped it to 99% now.
    When you have procedures in hospital the medical team go down the vanishingly small bad things that can happen and then get you to consent. Having had one of those bad things happen and thinking I was dying, I’m probably a bit more wary about a 1 in 100 chance…
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299



    ...

    Just 4 points behind on the economy is pretty good for Kamala.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,806
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    Wow. One city in NV is reporting they will have 90% turn out!!!

    Would this be an absolutely tiny city, that would not be a city using anything approaching a UK definition?
    Tyddewi?
  • My view of why Harris will win is simple.

    Trump couldn't win in 2020, fewer people support him now than then. Nothing has deterred me from that viewpoint.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,848

    If it had been Biden, he would have got spanked....or if the GOP had picked a sensible, less divisive, candidate...as the dissatisfaction / angry numbers are incredibly high in the CNN poll.

    My worst prediction of 2024 was that if Biden was the nominee, he would beat Trump.

    I hadn’t quite anticipated DebateGate and all that flowed from it, but I could have anticipated the gaffes/decline and it becoming a prominent issue.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,941
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited November 5

    If it had been Biden, he would have got spanked....or if the GOP had picked a sensible, less divisive, candidate...as the dissatisfaction / angry numbers are incredibly high in the CNN poll.

    Who should they have picked?
    DeSantis isn't super strong and his woke bashing signalling is tedious, but he isn't Trump level crazy and can point to Florida doing well under his leadership.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    Wonder why Sky News are in Arizona and not in Nevada.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903

    My view of why Harris will win is simple.

    Trump couldn't win in 2020, fewer people support him now than then. Nothing has deterred me from that viewpoint.

    These elections are a lot about who you are not. And a lot of people fear Harris in a way they didn't fear Biden.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    CNN have the exact same numbers on the issues - so assume it must be the same exit poll.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,968
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    They’d be voting for GOP and not for Trump.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    edited November 5
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    "abortion" might be mostly "anti abortion [control]" but surely not exclusively.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,941
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    If the Dems get a trifecta, national abortion would be legal again.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,919

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    Anyone who holds that opinion is a moron. Trump has all kinds of extremely extreme views. Mass deportation, going after political rivals, shutting down broadcasters, immunity for police violence, death penalty for all sorts of stuff, massive tariffs on trade, etc.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    As an aside, given how many people have voted early, how representative are the exit polls anyway?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    40 minutes until the polls close in Kentucky and Indiana.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited November 5
    I would again warn, 2020, I remember the answers to questions looked pretty good for Trumpian point of view early on.
  • RobD said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    Any highlights?
    Not really. The chubby guy from The Wolf of Wall Street was presenting the numbers.
    The guy who choked on the ham.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056

    Democrats have been fearful of losing the vote of Michigan’s large Arab American and Muslim American communities over the Biden-Harris administration’s response to Israel’s war on Gaza, and at a polling station in Dearborn there was some evidence that they were right to be concerned.

    Although it was a small sample size, none of the Arab American voters the Guardian spoke to had voted for Harris

    Guardian blog

    Yes, that is a big worry. From the vox pops, Gaza seems to have driven quite a few Muslims and younger voters to Stein.
    There was an Arab-American spokesperson onstage at one of the Trump rallies yesterday saying the community had swung behind Trump over Gaza.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,941

    I would again warn, 2020, I remember the answers to questions looked pretty good for Trumpian point of view early on.

    It is meaningless piffle at this stage agreed. Shouldnt stop a bit of musing on it though!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,931
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, given how many people have voted early, how representative are the exit polls anyway?

    They are claiming to have samples from all the people not just that voted today. But this is annoying and far from illuminating.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    Harris only has a 6% lead on abortion: 50% to 44%
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,745
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    Perhaps because their preference function is not lexicographic

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    rcs1000 said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    People are pissed about current state of things, don't think Biden was any good (but not that bad) and optimistic about the future.

    CNN reports "voters have come out today and voted in the Presidential election", "expect both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to attract multiple votes".
    ‘I don’t know who’s ahead, it’s either Oxford or Cambridge’ - John Snagge, 1949 Oxford/Cambridge Boat Race Commentator
  • Hello Andy. Your forcast will be much appreciated.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,893
    edited November 5
    looking at the CNN exit poll answers I fear that Trump will succeed tonight.

    I hope to be proved wrong though..
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,968
    Boy, an EC tie would be pure chaos…
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
    Markets unmoved thus far
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541

    It’s only fair that I should post a Trump conspiracy too.

    Is that a fake Melania he’s appearing with?

    https://x.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1853873880500150426

    No, it's a fake Trump with the fake fake Melania.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,806



    ...

    At least it's not 52-48. I take that as a good omen!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,271
    edited November 5

    I would again warn, 2020, I remember the answers to questions looked pretty good for Trumpian point of view early on.

    It is meaningless piffle at this stage agreed. Shouldnt stop a bit of musing on it though!
    I mean it should be a slam dunk on percentage of people pissed about current situation, that is normally dock side hooker territory for the incumbent party. But Trump is so divisive I can see people going its fucking shit, but......orange man mental...pencil hoovers....
  • rcs1000 said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    People are pissed about current state of things, don't think Biden was any good (but not that bad) and optimistic about the future.

    CNN reports "voters have come out today and voted in the Presidential election", "expect both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to attract multiple votes".
    There is a certain group of people who say what they think they should say.

    At the end of the day, most people vote with their wallet
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,326

    AnneJGP said:

    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @DylanByers
    Nevada’s secretary of state, seeing high number of rejected ballots in Clark and Washoe, says one of the biggest issues is that the signatures of younger voters don’t always match what’s on their driver’s licenses:

    “It’s mostly the fact that young people don’t have signatures these days. And when they did register to vote through the automatic voter registration process, they signed a digital pad at D.M.V., and that became their license signature.”

    https://x.com/DylanByers/status/1853894380299681864

    I would be screwed if we had this procedure as my "signature" is different every single time
    We do… Postal votes… Gulp.
    Does anyone really sign anything anymore? Never actually thought about it now. But, yeah, it’s kinda antiquated when you think about it.
    Sometimes sign for deliveries, with a finger, on the driver's handheld. Never looks like my signature and never looks the same twice.
    Yeah, I do that. It’s just a meaningless bizarre squiggle isn’t it? I doubt I’d even recognise my own. Makes you wonder what on Earth is the point of it? I hadn’t thought about it until now.
    Some of the older people in my law firm think that inserting a shitty jpeg scan of
    someone's signature into a Word document has some deeper meaning attached to it
    When I sign deeds I have to use wet ink
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    edited November 5
    glw said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    Anyone who holds that opinion is a moron. Trump has all kinds of extremely extreme views. Mass deportation, going after political rivals, shutting down broadcasters, immunity for police violence, death penalty for all sorts of stuff, massive tariffs on trade, etc.
    The political centre we are used to is not the same as the one these respondents are used to, tbf.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    Remember: 2008 saw a shock win for Obama in Indiana. It's very white. If the trends in the Kansas, Iowa and New Hampshire polls (i.e. very white states being more pro-Harris than expected) are to come to pass, you might see it there first.

    Trump won by 16 percentage points in 2020 and 19 in 2016.

    If it looks like it's going to be above 19, it could be an indication of Trump outperforming. By contrast a number below 15 would probably be a positive for Harris.
  • Cookie said:

    My view of why Harris will win is simple.

    Trump couldn't win in 2020, fewer people support him now than then. Nothing has deterred me from that viewpoint.

    These elections are a lot about who you are not. And a lot of people fear Harris in a way they didn't fear Biden.
    I feel they fear Trump a lot more.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    More people say Kamala's views are too extreme than say the same about Trump.

    But how many is that?

    10 vs 12 or 55 vs 45?
    Kamala: Too extreme 49% to 48% not too extreme
    Trump: Too extreme 45% to 51% not too extreme
    Those aren't good numbers for Harris.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056
    viewcode said:

    As you know rumours of Trump overperforming in NJ persist. If that happens, the odds that Kamala's medium rank (NH/MN/VA) will fall to Trump is considerably larger, and you can wave goodbye to the battleground states. :(

    Rory on TRiP suggested the list of battleground states is always wrong because the actual swing states change each time.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, given how many people have voted early, how representative are the exit polls anyway?

    He says they include early votes etc (no idea how they do that but still)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,882
    Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    Selebian said:



    ...

    At least it's not 52-48. I take that as a good omen!
    Take out the unknowns...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,968
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, given how many people have voted early, how representative are the exit polls anyway?

    They include responses from those who vote by post, and early in-person voters.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/05/politics/how-exit-polls-work-election/index.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    RobD said:

    Boy, an EC tie would be pure chaos…

    I just put $5 on Polymarket at 1,000-1 on a tie :smile:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,541
    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    Perhaps because their preference function is not lexicographic

    To anti-abortion activists, Trump "Delivered The Judges".

    After half a century of Republican candidates promising that they would seriously, maybe, not entirely, if it worked out, deliver judges.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    People are pissed about current state of things, don't think Biden was any good (but not that bad) and optimistic about the future.

    CNN reports "voters have come out today and voted in the Presidential election", "expect both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to attract multiple votes".
    There is a certain group of people who say what they think they should say.

    At the end of the day, most people vote with their wallet
    Boy are they going to get a shock if Trump implements a 10% across the board tariff.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 831
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, given how many people have voted early, how representative are the exit polls anyway?

    Surely they're not literally just exit polls, but either combined with polls of people who've already voted or at least weighted to account for that?
  • Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell

    Tristan Snell:

    "Lawyer, legal commentator, fighter for democracy. Prosecuted Trump University @ NY AG. Commentator, MSNBC. Creator of book/podcast/newsletter TAKING DOWN TRUMP."

    Ok.......
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,820
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    People are pissed about current state of things, don't think Biden was any good (but not that bad) and optimistic about the future.

    CNN reports "voters have come out today and voted in the Presidential election", "expect both Donald Trump and Kamala Harris to attract multiple votes".
    There is a certain group of people who say what they think they should say.

    At the end of the day, most people vote with their wallet
    Boy are they going to get a shock if Trump implements a 10% across the board tariff.
    He promised 400% tariffs at one point!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903

    viewcode said:

    As you know rumours of Trump overperforming in NJ persist. If that happens, the odds that Kamala's medium rank (NH/MN/VA) will fall to Trump is considerably larger, and you can wave goodbye to the battleground states. :(

    Rory on TRiP suggested the list of battleground states is always wrong because the actual swing states change each time.
    Well yes, but the state polls capture that.
    And actually the last few elections have been, for me, remarkable in the extent to which that hasn't happened.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,893

    Anecdata:



    Tristan Snell
    @TristanSnell
    ·
    1h
    Just finished knocking on doors in Philly

    Literally EVERYONE I talked to had already voted

    I’ve never seen that in 25+ years of volunteering for campaigns — even for Obama in 2008

    https://x.com/TristanSnell

    who for though?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,848
    edited November 5
    I suspect the top issue being democracy probably favours Harris, but again this is all about as helpful as the reading of entrails, as these exit polls usually are.

    (But quite sad that in America in 2024 the very concept of “Democracy” is the leading issue. It should be a given).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596

    RobD said:

    Not sure can take too much from CNN first exit poll data.

    Any highlights?
    Not really. The chubby guy from The Wolf of Wall Street was presenting the numbers.
    The guy who choked on the ham.
    Yes! Donnie.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,565
    It's going to be a long night, isn't it?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,941
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Boy, an EC tie would be pure chaos…

    I just put $5 on Polymarket at 1,000-1 on a tie :smile:
    Silvers simulations had it around 300/1.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,866
    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,931

    I suspect the top issue being democracy probably favours Harris, but again this is all about as helpful as the reading of entrails, as these exit polls usually are.

    (But quite sad that in America in 2024 the very concept of “Democracy” is the leading issue. It should be a given).

    And you don't even have a dead animal to eat.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869

    viewcode said:

    As you know rumours of Trump overperforming in NJ persist. If that happens, the odds that Kamala's medium rank (NH/MN/VA) will fall to Trump is considerably larger, and you can wave goodbye to the battleground states. :(

    Rory on TRiP suggested the list of battleground states is always wrong because the actual swing states change each time.
    He's been telling everyone that Harris will win so convincingly that it won't matter.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    rcs1000 said:

    RobD said:

    Boy, an EC tie would be pure chaos…

    I just put $5 on Polymarket at 1,000-1 on a tie :smile:
    The same on Ladbrokes is 14-1.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    It's going to be a long night, isn't it?

    We'll know if it's going to be a long night at 1am
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    rcs1000 said:

    TimT said:

    Wow. One city in NV is reporting they will have 90% turn out!!!

    Would this be an absolutely tiny city, that would not be a city using anything approaching a UK definition?
    Very likely.

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    If the Dems get a trifecta, national abortion would be legal again.
    Nope, short of them getting 60 senate seats the GOP will filibuster it
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,056
    OT the number of presumed bots following my TwiX account has more than halved recently. Has there been a purge?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    They close at 6pm Eastern.

    And, yes, it's very early.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    It does seem mad that polls in the US close so early given how long voting takes
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,699
    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto
    On track for record turnout here in MI:

    Michigan is already seeing record voter turnout, on track to match its highest election turnout on record, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson told CNN. There has been “extraordinary engagement and turnout all across the state,” said Benson, who has been visiting polling sites throughout the day. “There are literally parties at the polls – people dancing, people celebrating, which is kind of what today should be,” she said.

    Tell me they aren't dancing to YMCA....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,820
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    They close at 6pm Eastern.

    And, yes, it's very early.
    Got to get home in time to do the milking.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    edited November 5

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    I think its partial in Indiana at 11pm GMT

    Polls close in Indiana 6pm local time but that's Eastern time for part of the state and the time one hour behind for the rest of the state. Therefore no result shall be called by the networks until 7pm Eastern/12 midnight GMT.
  • Question - the pollsters who haven't been able to spot the underground surge of women (a) registering, (b) organising and, (c) voting Harris whether they're allowed to or not. Are they now picking these voters up and being told the truth when doing their "what voters think" polls? Or just going off what their husbands want?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    rcs1000 said:

    One hour and five minutes until the polls start to close in Indiana and Kentucky.

    That's a bit early isn't it?
    I think its partial in Indiana at 11pm GMT

    Polls close in Indiana 6pm local time but that's Eastern time for part of the state and the time one hour behind for part of the state. Therefore no result shall be called by the networks until 7pm Eastern/12 midnight GMT.
    We will start getting vote numbers reported almost immediately though.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065

    Harris will win. I am about 75% confident.

    I'm 95% confident that Harris's probability of winning lies in an interval between 0.01 and 0.99. At least until the first exit poll is announced.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,848

    I would again warn, 2020, I remember the answers to questions looked pretty good for Trumpian point of view early on.

    Yes I remember that. There were a couple of calls for Trump purely on the basis of that data alone, IIRC
  • FYI, just looked at the latest Ralston post on NV from a few hours ago. Feels like he does not feel that confident rte a D hold of NV

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869
    For reference, here's the exit poll from 2016 when Trump beat Clinton. Would be interesting to compare the numbers with the one's we've got so far:

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    Depends. People might think that although it is their major concern the economy is the most important thing for the country.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299

    FYI, just looked at the latest Ralston post on NV from a few hours ago. Feels like he does not feel that confident rte a D hold of NV

    Nobody should be confident of anything in Nevada.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903
    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @lewis_goodall

    NEW: NBC early exit poll says that democracy and the economy ranked top of voters’ concerns

    MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE

    DEMOCRACY 35
    ECONOMY 31
    ABORTION 14
    IMMIGRATION 11
    FOREIGN POLICY 4

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/1853921782207766751

    That's very mildly positive for Kamala - because you'd expect her to get the Democracy and Abortion votes, while Trump would get Economy and Immigration.
    Looks 50-50 to me given there will be some anti abortion people prioritising it and some Trumpists fear for Democracy too.
    Yeah, but there will be some people worried about Trump tariffs in the economy grouping too. And likewise, some people with relatives in Mexico who they want to be able to join them.
    Id go something like

    Dem 28-7
    Economy 6-25
    Abortion 11-3
    Immigration 0-11
    FP 1-1 (2 Green)

    Dem 46 Rep 47
    Why would people vote Trump if being anti abortion was their major concern?
    Depends. People might think that although it is their major concern the economy is the most important thing for the country.
    It doesn't say 'anti abortion' though, does it? It just says abortion. There will be sone people for whom restricting the right to abortion is the most important issue.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,596
    30k votes being recounted in Milwaukee, because of a door being open on the voting machine. And so the shambles begins!
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