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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,679

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,958
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    Trump is not going to win
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309
    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    One gets the impression they want to save boxing and it's all to do with the governing body problem.

    The American sports are there as part of a programme of including optional events to encourage local interest, although why in the name of God the Paris organising committee picked break dancing rather than, say, boules, artistic Gallic shrugging or maybe synchronised slow motion tractor driving is beyond me.
    Boxing is a great Olympic sport, one of the original sports from a century ago and the pinnacle of the amateur competition - but the organisation and governance is a total mess, and they probably need a timeout to sort themselves out.
    Boxing is one of the original sports from the Ancient Games (although the rules were slightly different.)

    The problem is indeed the governing body which is essentially a criminal organisation.

    It's best dropped.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,967

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    I’m not certain, but I thought it was off the list for now, but could be back on the list pending future decisions.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    One gets the impression they want to save boxing and it's all to do with the governing body problem.

    The American sports are there as part of a programme of including optional events to encourage local interest, although why in the name of God the Paris organising committee picked break dancing rather than, say, boules, artistic Gallic shrugging or maybe synchronised slow motion tractor driving is beyond me.
    Boxing is a great Olympic sport, one of the original sports from a century ago and the pinnacle of the amateur competition - but the organisation and governance is a total mess, and they probably need a timeout to sort themselves out.
    Great sport? Boxing glorifies violence against the person!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    FPT - @another_richard

    As our Sunil demonstrated a while back, there is more than one plausible way to compile a medal table.

    The classic way is to list by golds first, and use silver and bronze as tie-breakers. The US tends however to do it by total medals. That usually enhances their position (and ours too).

    Another way is to award points per medal - e.g. Gold 5, Silver 3, Bronze 1. Sunil did this and again it flattered us and the US. You can sod about with the ratios too, in which case you might well want to allocate relatively more for golds, because they really are a lot more valuable than silver and bronze.

    A more controversial method would be to allocate more weight to the high status events. Most people accept that Track and Field is the centrepiece of the games, so medals there could be scored higher, with maybe a bonus for blue riband events like the 100m sprint, 1500m and marathon. Swimming, cycling and rowing would be in the mid-range. You could deduct points for winning the breakdancing.

    How do like it so far?

    Personally I think it was a highly successful games - for Paris, for France, and for the GB team.

    I'd go for:

    Gold 4
    Silver 2
    Bronze 1

    There's also expectations versus reality.

    The silver in synchronised swimming seems to be better than yet another silver in the velodrome or athletics relays.

    And then there are comparisons with other countries - the relative performance is much worse this year.
    The British team finishes seventh on golds, fourth on silvers and second on bronzes. I think the general idea now is to pretend that winning stuff isn't really that important after all, and to celebrate how hard everyone tried instead.
    Team GB. Amongst the most successful losers in the world.
    Think of the mountain of lottery tickets that were sacrificed to that end.

    Edit: would make a good ski-jump in East London.
    My original remarks may have been slightly churlish, but the skipload of bronzes does tell a story - as well as the outright collapses in performance in a variety of previously successful disciplines. As I've remarked previously, there'll be a number of sports governing bodies that are going to have their lotto loot cut drastically or removed at the end of all this.

    Applauding effort is the correct approach for infants' school sports day or Parkrun, but elite level competition is a different matter. Celebrating near misses all the time is how you get the England football team and its extraordinary record of utter failure.
    Those in charge of dishing out the lottery money are known for being pretty ruthless with both sports and athletes, when it comes to renewal of funding after each Games. Anyone older than about 20 who isn’t coming home from Paris with a medal, is likely to find themselves defunded and needing to find their own sponsors if they want to be in Los Angeles. It’s a brutal industry if you’re not winning.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/olympians-turning-onlyfans-fund-dreams-decry-broken-finance-112717291
    Only Fans?

    Are we doing medals for porno now?

    AIUI they’re not posting explicit content, but merely using the site as a crowdfunding exercise.

    If you can get 1,000 people to send you $5 a month…
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,967
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    FPT - @another_richard

    As our Sunil demonstrated a while back, there is more than one plausible way to compile a medal table.

    The classic way is to list by golds first, and use silver and bronze as tie-breakers. The US tends however to do it by total medals. That usually enhances their position (and ours too).

    Another way is to award points per medal - e.g. Gold 5, Silver 3, Bronze 1. Sunil did this and again it flattered us and the US. You can sod about with the ratios too, in which case you might well want to allocate relatively more for golds, because they really are a lot more valuable than silver and bronze.

    A more controversial method would be to allocate more weight to the high status events. Most people accept that Track and Field is the centrepiece of the games, so medals there could be scored higher, with maybe a bonus for blue riband events like the 100m sprint, 1500m and marathon. Swimming, cycling and rowing would be in the mid-range. You could deduct points for winning the breakdancing.

    How do like it so far?

    Personally I think it was a highly successful games - for Paris, for France, and for the GB team.

    I'd go for:

    Gold 4
    Silver 2
    Bronze 1

    There's also expectations versus reality.

    The silver in synchronised swimming seems to be better than yet another silver in the velodrome or athletics relays.

    And then there are comparisons with other countries - the relative performance is much worse this year.
    The British team finishes seventh on golds, fourth on silvers and second on bronzes. I think the general idea now is to pretend that winning stuff isn't really that important after all, and to celebrate how hard everyone tried instead.
    Team GB. Amongst the most successful losers in the world.
    Think of the mountain of lottery tickets that were sacrificed to that end.

    Edit: would make a good ski-jump in East London.
    My original remarks may have been slightly churlish, but the skipload of bronzes does tell a story - as well as the outright collapses in performance in a variety of previously successful disciplines. As I've remarked previously, there'll be a number of sports governing bodies that are going to have their lotto loot cut drastically or removed at the end of all this.

    Applauding effort is the correct approach for infants' school sports day or Parkrun, but elite level competition is a different matter. Celebrating near misses all the time is how you get the England football team and its extraordinary record of utter failure.
    Those in charge of dishing out the lottery money are known for being pretty ruthless with both sports and athletes, when it comes to renewal of funding after each Games. Anyone older than about 20 who isn’t coming home from Paris with a medal, is likely to find themselves defunded and needing to find their own sponsors if they want to be in Los Angeles. It’s a brutal industry if you’re not winning.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/olympians-turning-onlyfans-fund-dreams-decry-broken-finance-112717291
    Only Fans?

    Are we doing medals for porno now?

    AIUI they’re not posting explicit content, but merely using the site as a crowdfunding exercise.

    If you can get 1,000 people to send you $5 a month…
    OnlyFans, indeed, isn’t only for porn, although read the article and some of the artists are doing tasteful nudity.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320
    edited August 11
    ...

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    Trump is not going to win
    He very well might. Whilst not rooting for Trump like HY, there is still a 50/50 shot he wins the EC, even if the popular vote is looking less likely.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933
    .

    Nigelb said:

    Republican private polling in Ohio is reportedly concerning the Republcan top brass - Trump polling under 50% there. He polled 53% in 2020.

    If Ohio is in play...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct02GrU88W0

    … then I’m quids in.

    5/1 seems decent odds for a punt.
    It's the hope...
    Trading bet for me, for now.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734

    Trump is melting under the pressure. He's now angrily claiming Harris used AI to create her crowd scenes.

    What have the GOP done? They've nominated someone having a mental breakdown in public.

    Trump has always been clearly insane, and obviously stupid. Admittedly I find it hard to square this with him actually having been able to deliver a broadly coherent Presidency, but I'm sure the base observations are true.

    It's entirely clear that he'll hate being a clear second to anyone, and he'll hate it even worse if that's a black female.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    One gets the impression they want to save boxing and it's all to do with the governing body problem.

    The American sports are there as part of a programme of including optional events to encourage local interest, although why in the name of God the Paris organising committee picked break dancing rather than, say, boules, artistic Gallic shrugging or maybe synchronised slow motion tractor driving is beyond me.
    Boxing is a great Olympic sport, one of the original sports from a century ago and the pinnacle of the amateur competition - but the organisation and governance is a total mess, and they probably need a timeout to sort themselves out.
    Great sport? Boxing glorifies violence against the person!
    Given what we now know about brain injuries, it's really not justifiable.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    I’m not certain, but I thought it was off the list for now, but could be back on the list pending future decisions.
    The cynic in me thinks they will find a way to get it on the programme. It certainly gets bums on seats and that will concentrate minds.

    I kind of hope they ban it this time round at least. I just don't see how the IOC can do any kind of acceptable deal with the hoods that run the game now.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks nailed on for Kamala now

    But I think Trump holds Ohio and Florida

    Currently the RCP EC states' poll average has Trump ahead still 287 EC votes to 251 for Harris.

    Trump holds Ohio and Florida yes as well as North Carolina but also picks up Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and Nevada of key swing states Biden won in 2020.

    Harris holds Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and New Hampshire of the closest states in 2020
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college
    No one serious about betting cares about the RCP polling average.
    The final projection in the 2020 RCP polling average was Biden 319 and Trump 219 which was very close to the final result.

    The only states they got wrong were Florida, which they had going for Biden and Georgia which they had for Trump
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html
    While that's true, that was only the case because the Rasmussen polls moved very sharply to Biden (herding?) on the eve of the election.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    So you're all saying I should access OnlyFans to help our future Olympians?

    As a patriotic Brit, I will do so.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    One gets the impression they want to save boxing and it's all to do with the governing body problem.

    The American sports are there as part of a programme of including optional events to encourage local interest, although why in the name of God the Paris organising committee picked break dancing rather than, say, boules, artistic Gallic shrugging or maybe synchronised slow motion tractor driving is beyond me.
    Boxing is a great Olympic sport, one of the original sports from a century ago and the pinnacle of the amateur competition - but the organisation and governance is a total mess, and they probably need a timeout to sort themselves out.
    Great sport? Boxing glorifies violence against the person!
    Given what we now know about brain injuries, it's really not justifiable.
    A lot of familiar and popular sports are coming under stress for the same reason.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    One gets the impression they want to save boxing and it's all to do with the governing body problem.

    The American sports are there as part of a programme of including optional events to encourage local interest, although why in the name of God the Paris organising committee picked break dancing rather than, say, boules, artistic Gallic shrugging or maybe synchronised slow motion tractor driving is beyond me.
    Boxing is a great Olympic sport, one of the original sports from a century ago and the pinnacle of the amateur competition - but the organisation and governance is a total mess, and they probably need a timeout to sort themselves out.
    Great sport? Boxing glorifies violence against the person!
    Boxing ties together two current PB debates. Olympics but also, via the Marquess of Queensbury, free speech and libel.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933
    Omnium said:

    Trump is melting under the pressure. He's now angrily claiming Harris used AI to create her crowd scenes.

    What have the GOP done? They've nominated someone having a mental breakdown in public.

    Trump has always been clearly insane, and obviously stupid. Admittedly I find it hard to square this with him actually having been able to deliver a broadly coherent Presidency, but I'm sure the base observations are true.

    It's entirely clear that he'll hate being a clear second to anyone, and he'll hate it even worse if that's a black female.

    Fairly competent/conventional team (with some blatant exceptions) around him last time around.

    It would be very, very different if he were to be elected this time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Looks nailed on for Kamala now

    But I think Trump holds Ohio and Florida

    Currently the RCP EC states' poll average has Trump ahead still 287 EC votes to 251 for Harris.

    Trump holds Ohio and Florida yes as well as North Carolina but also picks up Pennsylvania, Georgia and Arizona and Nevada of key swing states Biden won in 2020.

    Harris holds Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and New Hampshire of the closest states in 2020
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college
    No one serious about betting cares about the RCP polling average.
    The final projection in the 2020 RCP polling average was Biden 319 and Trump 219 which was very close to the final result.

    The only states they got wrong were Florida, which they had going for Biden and Georgia which they had for Trump
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html
    While that's true, that was only the case because the Rasmussen polls moved very sharply to Biden (herding?) on the eve of the election.
    You're not going to persuade him.

    Just accept he's coping, in his own way.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,497
    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048

    Trump now concentrating on rolling the pitch for saying Harris has cheated and stolen the election.

    Already?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    FPT - @another_richard

    As our Sunil demonstrated a while back, there is more than one plausible way to compile a medal table.

    The classic way is to list by golds first, and use silver and bronze as tie-breakers. The US tends however to do it by total medals. That usually enhances their position (and ours too).

    Another way is to award points per medal - e.g. Gold 5, Silver 3, Bronze 1. Sunil did this and again it flattered us and the US. You can sod about with the ratios too, in which case you might well want to allocate relatively more for golds, because they really are a lot more valuable than silver and bronze.

    A more controversial method would be to allocate more weight to the high status events. Most people accept that Track and Field is the centrepiece of the games, so medals there could be scored higher, with maybe a bonus for blue riband events like the 100m sprint, 1500m and marathon. Swimming, cycling and rowing would be in the mid-range. You could deduct points for winning the breakdancing.

    How do like it so far?

    Personally I think it was a highly successful games - for Paris, for France, and for the GB team.

    I'd go for:

    Gold 4
    Silver 2
    Bronze 1

    There's also expectations versus reality.

    The silver in synchronised swimming seems to be better than yet another silver in the velodrome or athletics relays.

    And then there are comparisons with other countries - the relative performance is much worse this year.
    The British team finishes seventh on golds, fourth on silvers and second on bronzes. I think the general idea now is to pretend that winning stuff isn't really that important after all, and to celebrate how hard everyone tried instead.
    Team GB. Amongst the most successful losers in the world.
    Think of the mountain of lottery tickets that were sacrificed to that end.

    Edit: would make a good ski-jump in East London.
    My original remarks may have been slightly churlish, but the skipload of bronzes does tell a story - as well as the outright collapses in performance in a variety of previously successful disciplines. As I've remarked previously, there'll be a number of sports governing bodies that are going to have their lotto loot cut drastically or removed at the end of all this.

    Applauding effort is the correct approach for infants' school sports day or Parkrun, but elite level competition is a different matter. Celebrating near misses all the time is how you get the England football team and its extraordinary record of utter failure.
    Those in charge of dishing out the lottery money are known for being pretty ruthless with both sports and athletes, when it comes to renewal of funding after each Games. Anyone older than about 20 who isn’t coming home from Paris with a medal, is likely to find themselves defunded and needing to find their own sponsors if they want to be in Los Angeles. It’s a brutal industry if you’re not winning.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/olympians-turning-onlyfans-fund-dreams-decry-broken-finance-112717291
    Only Fans?

    Are we doing medals for porno now?

    AIUI they’re not posting explicit content, but merely using the site as a crowdfunding exercise.

    If you can get 1,000 people to send you $5 a month…
    OnlyFans, indeed, isn’t only for porn, although read the article and some of the artists are doing tasteful nudity.
    It's hardly a new development.

    Some of Victoria Pendleton's pics after the 2008 Olympics were a bit spicy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    So what would we like to see ditched from the Olympics. In no particular order:

    Football
    Rugby
    Tennis
    Golf
    Basketball

    Boxing.
    Boxing is off the list for Los Angeles. Seems it pissed off the IOC once too often.
    Is boxing officially off or is the IOC still casting around for a boxing governing body after it sacked the Russia-dominated IBA?

    Trouble with Los Angeles is they are introducing a bunch of American-only sports: softball, baseball and flag (American) football, along with squash and lacrosse. (They are also scheduling the athletics in week one, followed by swimming, rather than the other way round which is usual.)
    One gets the impression they want to save boxing and it's all to do with the governing body problem.

    The American sports are there as part of a programme of including optional events to encourage local interest, although why in the name of God the Paris organising committee picked break dancing rather than, say, boules, artistic Gallic shrugging or maybe synchronised slow motion tractor driving is beyond me.
    Boxing is a great Olympic sport, one of the original sports from a century ago and the pinnacle of the amateur competition - but the organisation and governance is a total mess, and they probably need a timeout to sort themselves out.
    Boxing is one of the original sports from the Ancient Games (although the rules were slightly different.)

    The problem is indeed the governing body which is essentially a criminal organisation.

    It's best dropped.
    If I were you, I'd withdraw the bit in bold. You don't want to get sued for libel or worse, beaten up by a furious Mafiosa.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    So like the way the voters of South West Norfolk didn't get on with her on July 4th?

    She is a ludicrous popinjay.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Trump is melting under the pressure. He's now angrily claiming Harris used AI to create her crowd scenes.

    What have the GOP done? They've nominated someone having a mental breakdown in public.

    So who's the REAL "demented vegetable"?

    Trump-fluffers (and Putin-pimpers) kindly (or not) explain!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Trump is melting under the pressure. He's now angrily claiming Harris used AI to create her crowd scenes.

    What have the GOP done? They've nominated someone having a mental breakdown in public.

    Trump has always been clearly insane, and obviously stupid. Admittedly I find it hard to square this with him actually having been able to deliver a broadly coherent Presidency, but I'm sure the base observations are true.

    It's entirely clear that he'll hate being a clear second to anyone, and he'll hate it even worse if that's a black female.

    Fairly competent/conventional team (with some blatant exceptions) around him last time around.

    It would be very, very different if he were to be elected this time.
    The enormous gap between the reality and image his cult believes in is a bubble.

    The problem is, that in finance (for example), many people have gone bust waiting for the irrationality to end in a market.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,001
    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,010
    Foxy said:

    Trump is melting under the pressure. He's now angrily claiming Harris used AI to create her crowd scenes.

    What have the GOP done? They've nominated someone having a mental breakdown in public.

    Total melt down is possible. A massive electoral college landslide would make any attempt at contesting the result ridiculous.
    Trump doesn't see ridiculous the way normal human adults do - see, e.g. the ghastly decoration of the Trump casino in Atlantic City, the numerous felony convictions over trivia, the attempted civil war in 2021, the call to Zelensky tying foreign aid to an investigation into Hunter Biden and his love life.

    So just because sane people think it's ridiculous it doesn't mean it won't happen.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    edited August 11

    Trump now concentrating on rolling the pitch for saying Harris has cheated and stolen the election.

    Already?
    Somebody upthread suggested that Trump's not bothered about losing because the states will just certify fake slates.

    Complication: in five of the eight plausible swing states, the Governor is a Democrat.

    So, on a careful check, is the Secretary of State.

    That holds good for Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

    The exceptions are Georgia, Ohio and Florida.

    However, the Governor and Secretary of State of Georgia both hate Trump's guts.

    That means only in Ohio and Florida would he have a realistic path to fraudulent slates.

    And Harris could win even without winning in Florida and Ohio.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    So like the way the voters of South West Norfolk didn't get on with her on July 4th?

    She is a ludicrous popinjay.
    Destined to be no more to history than a Trivial Pursuits game answer.

    Sad and deluded.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,269

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    I think that is one of the lesser issues with season 4 of that show - it's been condensed too much...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    edited August 11

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    General election 2024: South West Norfolk

    Party Candidate Votes %

    Labour Terry Jermy 11,847 26.7
    Conservative Liz Truss 11,217 25.3
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    edited August 11
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    I think you said that a couple of days ago? It is so important, the mere possibility, that it deserves our attention? I must be missing something.

    #dejavu
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    Is that a Radiohead track?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    I think you said that a couple of days ago? It is so important, the mere possibility, that it deserves our attention? I must be missing something.

    #dejavu
    A massive bill for security that under current rules we would have to stump up for?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,497

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    General election 2024: South West Norfolk

    Party Candidate Votes %

    Labour Terry Jermy 11,847 26.7
    Conservative Liz Truss 11,217 25.3
    "Look at my record. Does my record look bovvered?"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    edited August 11
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    pigeon said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    FPT - @another_richard

    As our Sunil demonstrated a while back, there is more than one plausible way to compile a medal table.

    The classic way is to list by golds first, and use silver and bronze as tie-breakers. The US tends however to do it by total medals. That usually enhances their position (and ours too).

    Another way is to award points per medal - e.g. Gold 5, Silver 3, Bronze 1. Sunil did this and again it flattered us and the US. You can sod about with the ratios too, in which case you might well want to allocate relatively more for golds, because they really are a lot more valuable than silver and bronze.

    A more controversial method would be to allocate more weight to the high status events. Most people accept that Track and Field is the centrepiece of the games, so medals there could be scored higher, with maybe a bonus for blue riband events like the 100m sprint, 1500m and marathon. Swimming, cycling and rowing would be in the mid-range. You could deduct points for winning the breakdancing.

    How do like it so far?

    Personally I think it was a highly successful games - for Paris, for France, and for the GB team.

    I'd go for:

    Gold 4
    Silver 2
    Bronze 1

    There's also expectations versus reality.

    The silver in synchronised swimming seems to be better than yet another silver in the velodrome or athletics relays.

    And then there are comparisons with other countries - the relative performance is much worse this year.
    The British team finishes seventh on golds, fourth on silvers and second on bronzes. I think the general idea now is to pretend that winning stuff isn't really that important after all, and to celebrate how hard everyone tried instead.
    Team GB. Amongst the most successful losers in the world.
    Think of the mountain of lottery tickets that were sacrificed to that end.

    Edit: would make a good ski-jump in East London.
    My original remarks may have been slightly churlish, but the skipload of bronzes does tell a story - as well as the outright collapses in performance in a variety of previously successful disciplines. As I've remarked previously, there'll be a number of sports governing bodies that are going to have their lotto loot cut drastically or removed at the end of all this.

    Applauding effort is the correct approach for infants' school sports day or Parkrun, but elite level competition is a different matter. Celebrating near misses all the time is how you get the England football team and its extraordinary record of utter failure.
    Those in charge of dishing out the lottery money are known for being pretty ruthless with both sports and athletes, when it comes to renewal of funding after each Games. Anyone older than about 20 who isn’t coming home from Paris with a medal, is likely to find themselves defunded and needing to find their own sponsors if they want to be in Los Angeles. It’s a brutal industry if you’re not winning.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/olympians-turning-onlyfans-fund-dreams-decry-broken-finance-112717291
    Only Fans?

    Are we doing medals for porno now?

    Some people are so desperate for GB to have medals that they'lll campaign for that as an OLympic sport alongside (as already discussed) twoccing and pocket billiards.

    Some of us, more relaxed ...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Omnium said:

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    Is that a Radiohead track?
    Worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMOTTJqGgM
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    I think you said that a couple of days ago? It is so important, the mere possibility, that it deserves our attention? I must be missing something.

    #dejavu
    A massive bill for security that under current rules we would have to stump up for?
    I thought that had been settled in court?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,922
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    Tell them to fuck off. They’ve made their bed, let them lie on it. We have enough parasites already.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734

    Omnium said:

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    Is that a Radiohead track?
    Worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMOTTJqGgM
    I'll have to take your word for it. No way am I clicking that link!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Errr, Google has suggested this is a story I might be interested in.

    Man murdered partner after accusing her of having affair with step-son

    Colin Kennedy, 63, was found guilty of the 'malevolent butchery' of Catherine Stewart at their home in Airdrie.


    https://news.stv.tv/west-central/man-murdered-partner-after-accusing-her-of-having-affair-with-step-son
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Errr, Google has suggested this is a story I might be interested in.

    Man murdered partner after accusing her of having affair with step-son

    Colin Kennedy, 63, was found guilty of the 'malevolent butchery' of Catherine Stewart at their home in Airdrie.


    https://news.stv.tv/west-central/man-murdered-partner-after-accusing-her-of-having-affair-with-step-son

    Whose stepson?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    edited August 11
    Mike Sington
    @MikeSington

    Lying Trump and other MAGA conspiracy theorists are claiming a photo of the crowd in front of Kamala Harris’ Air Force Two is “fake” and “there was nobody there”. The crowd was real, here’s a video.

    https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1822681552096309708


    Jules Morgan 🧸
    @glamelegance
    ·
    1h
    When they start arguing about her crowd size, they’re losing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    ydoethur said:

    Errr, Google has suggested this is a story I might be interested in.

    Man murdered partner after accusing her of having affair with step-son

    Colin Kennedy, 63, was found guilty of the 'malevolent butchery' of Catherine Stewart at their home in Airdrie.


    https://news.stv.tv/west-central/man-murdered-partner-after-accusing-her-of-having-affair-with-step-son

    Whose stepson?
    A man murdered his partner of 35 years after he became convinced she has having an affair with one of his sons.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    Is that a Radiohead track?
    Worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMOTTJqGgM
    I'll have to take your word for it. No way am I clicking that link!
    You won't regret clicking on that link.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
    Did anyone interview the lettuce for comment?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    Tell them to fuck off. They’ve made their bed, let them lie on it. We have enough parasites already.
    That's them ticked off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
    Did anyone interview the lettuce for comment?
    He lost his seat down in Somerset and is sulking.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,916
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    I think you said that a couple of days ago? It is so important, the mere possibility, that it deserves our attention? I must be missing something.

    #dejavu
    A massive bill for security that under current rules we would have to stump up for?
    I thought that had been settled in court?
    Thought you might enjoy this.

    To paraphrase the Duke, I don't know what effect they will have on the enemy, but by God, they terrify me.

    https://x.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1822343209571488031
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,772

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,967
    .

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    The breaking was great! Drop the equestrian events. The Olympics should be for humans only, not horses. Add kabaddi and kho-kho to get India excited. No need for golf, but we should add croquet. There’s a sport of skill and very televisual! Maybe add unicycle hockey and unicycle BMX racing. Too many arbitrary team sports where you just add together people’s performances (e.g. team gymnastics): they just benefit the big, rich countries. Drop them.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,007

    ydoethur said:

    Errr, Google has suggested this is a story I might be interested in.

    Man murdered partner after accusing her of having affair with step-son

    Colin Kennedy, 63, was found guilty of the 'malevolent butchery' of Catherine Stewart at their home in Airdrie.


    https://news.stv.tv/west-central/man-murdered-partner-after-accusing-her-of-having-affair-with-step-son

    Whose stepson?
    A man murdered his partner of 35 years after he became convinced she has having an affair with one of his sons.
    That's awful. She must have been petrified and in great pain
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Mike Sington
    @MikeSington

    Lying Trump and other MAGA conspiracy theorists are claiming a photo of the crowd in front of Kamala Harris’ Air Force Two is “fake” and “there was nobody there”. The crowd was real, here’s a video.

    https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1822681552096309708


    Jules Morgan 🧸
    @glamelegance
    ·
    1h
    When they start arguing about her crowd size, they’re losing.

    Do any PBers have memories looooooooong enough, to remember that the Trump Administration began, with the newly-installed POTUS making absurd claims concerning crowd size at his innauguration? Which were refuted by official crowd counters AND photographic evidence?

    Proverbs 26:11 strikes again!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,967
    eek said:

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    I think that is one of the lesser issues with season 4 of that show - it's been condensed too much...
    I’m stuck halfway thru season 3. Should I persevere?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Having been mean about Britain for weeks, gotta say Richmond riverside looks pretty good this evening



    Somehow we need to make all the left behind towns have a hint of Richmond upon Thames. It’s not going to be easy - but we really really really need to try

    Cleaning out town centres, getting rid of litter, erasing graffiti, giving little towns a reason to be proud. That’s the way. The French do it. We can, too
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933
    edited August 11

    Mike Sington
    @MikeSington

    Lying Trump and other MAGA conspiracy theorists are claiming a photo of the crowd in front of Kamala Harris’ Air Force Two is “fake” and “there was nobody there”. The crowd was real, here’s a video.

    https://x.com/MikeSington/status/1822681552096309708


    Jules Morgan 🧸
    @glamelegance
    ·
    1h
    When they start arguing about her crowd size, they’re losing.

    They saw a satirical video (marked ‘Satire’), and thought it was real.

    Donny has tipped over into lunacy.
    Getting his ass kicked by a woman is clearly world shattering for him.

    Also, the usual projection from the guy who waves at empty airfields.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Cookie said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
    Penny farthing uphill time trial rides into Sussex
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rw8rxvljro
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039
    Humza Yousaf being destroyed on TwiX is the entertainment we need
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,007
    Did PredictIt run a market on the UK General Election? I can't find an archive copy for love nor money
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,007
    Cookie said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
    Duelling (pistols)
    Duelling (swords)
    Duelling (flamethrowers)

    :)
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056
    Looks like Ben Stokes has done his hamstring. Guessing he is out of the tests :(
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,020

    MattW said:

    On medals, I'm interested in the -6 on cycling golds, and why the total is so low.

    I think the absence of Charlotte Dujardin the horse dancer, after whipping her horse abusively (24 strokes in one minute), may be significant. She has 3 golds, 1 silver and 2 bronzes from the last 3 Olympics.

    On the cycling, I think two points:

    1 - I get the impression that the training regime is marginally less hard charging than previously, although it is also the case that other countries have had 15-20 years to catch up since we really started getting our edge in 2004.

    2 - I'm interested in whether our poisonous road culture, which is notably worse than most others in Western Europe in attitudes, has any long term impact on participation.

    I haven't been able to find enough data to inform on this one (I suspect this impacts at this time more on wider professional cycling and where they choose to base), yet it is only 9 weeks since Kate Richardson had to withdraw from the Womens Tour de France after a driver of a 4x4 left her with a fractured scapula after hitting her when squeezing past on a 4m wide country lane near Holmfirth.

    I suspect we had a golden age of cyclists of whom the Kennys were the last.

    The loss of Katie Archibald was also a blow.

    What seemed worrying in that in the distance events the GB team were nowhere in both Omniums and the Men's Madison. And didn't seem to have a clue as to how to get into them.
    Yes - that's interesting comment. I don't follow the sport in detail, as my activism focus is heavily around access / equality / inclusiveness, and within that the political angle.

    I have no clear information on how strong youth teams are, but I am well aware of a resource crisis within the UK event sector.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    ydoethur said:

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
    Did anyone interview the lettuce for comment?
    He lost his seat down in Somerset and is sulking.
    Are you sure about the pronoun for the lettuce? IIRC Lettuce is both male and female
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    CatMan said:

    Looks like Ben Stokes has done his hamstring. Guessing he is out of the tests :(

    Fuck The Hundred.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,001
    edited August 11
    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    Leon said:

    Having been mean about Britain for weeks, gotta say Richmond riverside looks pretty good this evening



    Somehow we need to make all the left behind towns have a hint of Richmond upon Thames. It’s not going to be easy - but we really really really need to try

    Cleaning out town centres, getting rid of litter, erasing graffiti, giving little towns a reason to be proud. That’s the way. The French do it. We can, too

    I sketched out an idea for a thread header about this a while back. Possibly a new raison d'etre for the Tories: making Britain beautiful. Somewhere we can be proud to leave to our grandchildren.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
    Duelling (pistols)
    Duelling (swords)
    Duelling (flamethrowers)

    :)
    Duelling (Nuclear weapons, small)
    Duelling (Nuclear weapons, proper size)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764

    ydoethur said:

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
    Did anyone interview the lettuce for comment?
    He lost his seat down in Somerset and is sulking.
    Are you sure about the pronoun for the lettuce? IIRC Lettuce is both male and female
    Lettuce think about that one.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,007
    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
    Duelling (pistols)
    Duelling (swords)
    Duelling (flamethrowers)

    :)
    Duelling (banjos)
    (hums music from Deliverance; "ding a ding a ding a...")
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    Is that a Radiohead track?
    Worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMOTTJqGgM
    I'll have to take your word for it. No way am I clicking that link!
    Run away do do do do do do do.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
    Duelling (pistols)
    Duelling (swords)
    Duelling (flamethrowers)

    :)
    Duelling (Nuclear weapons, small)
    Duelling (Nuclear weapons, proper size)
    "Now take your weapons of mass destruction, and get the fuck out of here!"
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734

    ydoethur said:

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
    Did anyone interview the lettuce for comment?
    He lost his seat down in Somerset and is sulking.
    Are you sure about the pronoun for the lettuce? IIRC Lettuce is both male and female
    Lettuce think about that one.
    Did you vote Romaine or not? I ask Cos you might be biased.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    On medals, I'm interested in the -6 on cycling golds, and why the total is so low.

    I think the absence of Charlotte Dujardin the horse dancer, after whipping her horse abusively (24 strokes in one minute), may be significant. She has 3 golds, 1 silver and 2 bronzes from the last 3 Olympics.

    On the cycling, I think two points:

    1 - I get the impression that the training regime is marginally less hard charging than previously, although it is also the case that other countries have had 15-20 years to catch up since we really started getting our edge in 2004.

    2 - I'm interested in whether our poisonous road culture, which is notably worse than most others in Western Europe in attitudes, has any long term impact on participation.

    I haven't been able to find enough data to inform on this one (I suspect this impacts at this time more on wider professional cycling and where they choose to base), yet it is only 9 weeks since Kate Richardson had to withdraw from the Womens Tour de France after a driver of a 4x4 left her with a fractured scapula after hitting her when squeezing past on a 4m wide country lane near Holmfirth.

    I suspect we had a golden age of cyclists of whom the Kennys were the last.

    The loss of Katie Archibald was also a blow.

    What seemed worrying in that in the distance events the GB team were nowhere in both Omniums and the Men's Madison. And didn't seem to have a clue as to how to get into them.
    Yes - that's interesting comment. I don't follow the sport in detail, as my activism focus is heavily around access / equality / inclusiveness, and within that the political angle.

    I have no clear information on how strong youth teams are, but I am well aware of a resource crisis within the UK event sector.
    Is it not just a case of GB spotting a gap to be exploited a few years back, and other nations having caught up? We're not doing badly - just not dominating like we did 12 years ago.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    A Finnish neo-Nazi shared instructions to commit arson and urged people to file false reports in order to waste police resources during the riots last week.

    The man in his early twenties, whom The Times is not naming, can be revealed as an instigator of the far-right action last week. He helped run a group chat on the app Telegram, where tens of thousands of people shared ideas for riot locations and hateful content about immigrants and Jewish people.

    Social media sites have come under increased scrutiny since the stabbings in Southport. Misinformation about the suspect spread quickly, as well as locations for possible protests and incitement for riots.

    The individual is understood to live in southern Finland and began posting extreme right-wing content online as a teenager. According to police records unearthed by journalists at YLE, the Finnish public broadcaster, he was previously investigated by Finnish police for making an illegal threat. He became an administrator for the Southport Wake Up group on Telegram, which became connected to the riots.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/finnish-neo-nazi-shared-arson-manual-on-telegram-ahead-of-uk-riots-hkvdj5wn3
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Having been mean about Britain for weeks, gotta say Richmond riverside looks pretty good this evening



    Somehow we need to make all the left behind towns have a hint of Richmond upon Thames. It’s not going to be easy - but we really really really need to try

    Cleaning out town centres, getting rid of litter, erasing graffiti, giving little towns a reason to be proud. That’s the way. The French do it. We can, too

    I sketched out an idea for a thread header about this a while back. Possibly a new raison d'etre for the Tories: making Britain beautiful. Somewhere we can be proud to leave to our grandchildren.
    Conservatives should care about conserving the beauty of our towns and landscape, it's the way to regain the light green vote in the Shires in particular.

    It's not something they have been interested in recent years.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,734

    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
    On dressage: there is no obvious reason why the Olympics should be restricted to humans, but nor an obvious reason why the only non-human competitors should be horses. What about greyhound racing?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734
    Pro_Rata said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    I regret to inform you all that season four of The Umbrella Academy features The Baby Shark song in several episodes.

    Is that a Radiohead track?
    Worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bMOTTJqGgM
    I'll have to take your word for it. No way am I clicking that link!
    Run away do do do do do do do.
    Worse than Radiohead! It's not surprising even the most peril-safe trousers might spring small 'do' leaks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    CatMan said:

    Looks like Ben Stokes has done his hamstring. Guessing he is out of the tests :(

    Fuck The Hundred.
    Can we just cancel it so Glos can have de Lange and Payne back for Wednesday?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,933
    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
    On dressage: there is no obvious reason why the Olympics should be restricted to humans, but nor an obvious reason why the only non-human competitors should be horses. What about greyhound racing?
    I don’t think we have big enough greyhounds to sit on.

    Elephant racing, perhaps.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    Omnium said:

    ydoethur said:

    Truss says that she doesn’t get on with Sunak:

    https://x.com/jaheale/status/1822685456946868274

    image

    History will vindicate PM Sunak. Forty nine days of PM Truss speaks for itself.
    Did anyone interview the lettuce for comment?
    He lost his seat down in Somerset and is sulking.
    Are you sure about the pronoun for the lettuce? IIRC Lettuce is both male and female
    Lettuce think about that one.
    Did you vote Romaine or not? I ask Cos you might be biased.
    Take your Internet you won, and leave, damn you.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,269
    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
    On dressage: there is no obvious reason why the Olympics should be restricted to humans, but nor an obvious reason why the only non-human competitors should be horses. What about greyhound racing?
    or elephants...
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,280

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    Some excellent suggestions there, Andy!

    I would add that I personally would object to dressage for the same reason I object to the likes of art swimming and breakdancing, except that dressage was part of the original games. It therefore gets a grudging pass with me.
    Personally, I don't think there should be any sports in summer or winter olympics whuch rely on judges to tell you how nicely you're doing it. This includes gymnastics. But a friend of mine has suggested a less fundamentalist approach: you can have events which rely on judges, but only if there is a significant element of danger involved. Thus, gymnastics, diving, bmxing in: breaking, surfing, ice dancing out.
    Duelling (pistols)
    Duelling (swords)
    Duelling (flamethrowers)

    :)
    Duelling (Nuclear weapons, small)
    Duelling (Nuclear weapons, proper size)
    Now, the (nuclear) Winter Olympics can immediately follow the Summer ones.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    edited August 11
    This is a very subdued Marseillaise
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
    On dressage: there is no obvious reason why the Olympics should be restricted to humans, but nor an obvious reason why the only non-human competitors should be horses. What about greyhound racing?
    I don’t think we have big enough greyhounds to sit on.

    Elephant racing, perhaps.
    Elephant polo.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,048
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Having been mean about Britain for weeks, gotta say Richmond riverside looks pretty good this evening



    Somehow we need to make all the left behind towns have a hint of Richmond upon Thames. It’s not going to be easy - but we really really really need to try

    Cleaning out town centres, getting rid of litter, erasing graffiti, giving little towns a reason to be proud. That’s the way. The French do it. We can, too

    I sketched out an idea for a thread header about this a while back. Possibly a new raison d'etre for the Tories: making Britain beautiful. Somewhere we can be proud to leave to our grandchildren.
    Some time ago, I asked a councillor about why, when they had knocked down a rather ugly boat club building they'd owned, they had no fucking idea what to do next.

    He wobbled about accessibility of the river. I pointed out that apart from the vast number of steps and public boat haulages along the river, which no one uses, the boat clubs *are* the people accessing the river. Providing disabled rowing and even free rowing for local state schools. And hosting canoe and paddle boarding clubs.

    I asked why they couldn't build some nice arched boat houses (maybe a coffee shop), rent them to clubs and then about 6 floors of flats on top. Worked at Richmond.

    Wibble, wibble, wibble.

    So the site is an empty hole.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    This closing ceremony is already much bette than the opening ceremony.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,320
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Having been mean about Britain for weeks, gotta say Richmond riverside looks pretty good this evening



    Somehow we need to make all the left behind towns have a hint of Richmond upon Thames. It’s not going to be easy - but we really really really need to try

    Cleaning out town centres, getting rid of litter, erasing graffiti, giving little towns a reason to be proud. That’s the way. The French do it. We can, too

    I sketched out an idea for a thread header about this a while back. Possibly a new raison d'etre for the Tories: making Britain beautiful. Somewhere we can be proud to leave to our grandchildren.
    If there's a grift in it for them why not?

    The simple fact is that austerity decimated civic society and services so the place looks a shambles. After 14 years of Conservative Governments inner cities are derelict, the highways are pot-holed and our green and pleasant land is a repository for fly-tipped waste. I don't suppose resolving all that is high on Labour's to-do list, and it certainly won't be on the next Conservative Government's top fifty agenda.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,702

    This is a very subdued Marseillaise

    Without the words, best I've heard

  • FffsFffs Posts: 69

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    A 1% lead on the economy isn't really a huge margin for Harris though, especially given Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and lost still. It also depends in which swing states she has that lead or not

    Harris leading on the economy is massive when she leads on everything else and the economy was Trump's last straw to grasp to.
    She doesn't lead on immigration and the border where Trump is clearly ahead
    How did you manage to paint yourself into the only-Trump-supporter-on-PB corner?
    Because

    Here's What Meghan Markle Said About Kamala Harris Back in 2020

    "I'm so excited to see that kind of representation," the Duchess of Sussex said.


    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a61665698/meghan-markle-kamala-harris-2020-comments/

    and

    Meghan Markle to make 'big political move' on her 43rd birthday, endorsing Kamala Harris

    Duchess poised to endorse VP Harris amid election season


    https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/uk-news/2024/08/03/66ae7f9b46163fcd1d8b456c.html
    The Sussexes may try and move back to the UK if Trump wins, PM Starmer and woke Labour are also much more to their taste than the Tories were


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-13723189/RICHARD-EDEN-Palace-sources-say-desperate-Harry-Meghan-suddenly-keen-build-bridges-royals-REAL-reason.html
    I think you said that a couple of days ago? It is so important, the mere possibility, that it deserves our attention? I must be missing something.

    #dejavu
    A massive bill for security that under current rules we would have to stump up for?
    I thought that had been settled in court?
    Thought you might enjoy this.

    To paraphrase the Duke, I don't know what effect they will have on the enemy, but by God, they terrify me.

    https://x.com/BrianRoemmele/status/1822343209571488031
    That is fantastic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,039

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Having been mean about Britain for weeks, gotta say Richmond riverside looks pretty good this evening



    Somehow we need to make all the left behind towns have a hint of Richmond upon Thames. It’s not going to be easy - but we really really really need to try

    Cleaning out town centres, getting rid of litter, erasing graffiti, giving little towns a reason to be proud. That’s the way. The French do it. We can, too

    I sketched out an idea for a thread header about this a while back. Possibly a new raison d'etre for the Tories: making Britain beautiful. Somewhere we can be proud to leave to our grandchildren.
    If there's a grift in it for them why not?

    The simple fact is that austerity decimated civic society and services so the place looks a shambles. After 14 years of Conservative Governments inner cities are derelict, the highways are pot-holed and our green and pleasant land is a repository for fly-tipped waste. I don't suppose resolving all that is high on Labour's to-do list, and it certainly won't be on the next Conservative Government's top fifty agenda.
    It absolutely should be. Its one way they can win again

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-britain-so-ugly/
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,772

    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
    OK I'm sold
  • Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    Okay, sports-wise:

    Bin off the "artistic swimming," breaking, boxing (too much chance of being corrupt with dodgy judges and the entire IBA debacle), and greco-roman wrestling (sorry, but that's literally just in because of being Olympics, isn't it?). (The only reason I'm fine with dressage continuing is that we're good at it)

    Return (in addition to the sports being returned next time, like cricket):
    - Ballooning (if sailing's fine, ballooning's fine)
    - Swimming obstacle race
    - Pistol duelling (they apparently used wax bullets last time; paintballs would be fine)

    Add in (in addition to new ones like squash - seriously, artistic swimming was in and this wasn't?):
    - Larger paintball competition (we can watch from overhead and with drones; this could be really fun)
    - Hang-gliding competitions (the possibility of co-ordinating with the above so that teams can call in close air support is available for discussion)
    - Field gun competition to finish off (to effectively substitute for the Ancient Olympic hoplitodromos

    I rather like that, but am baffled by the comparison of sailing with ballooning. Sailing is physically challenging as well as requiring skill. I presume with ballooning you just get blown along with the wind so you haven't even got that comparison because tacking on a beat (the most exciting and strenuous part of sailing) will take you into the direction of the wind rather than being blown along by it.
    I’m possibly wanting ballooning more than I should. I think a huge ballooning competition would be an epic was to open the Games.
    Of course, it’s very weather-dependent. If it’s blowing a hooly, say, they might have to cancel it. Unless they decide it has to go ahead anyway, in which case it could be even more of a spectacle.

    Maybe we could add a propellor, driven from an on-board bicycle to give some more control and direction. Probably getting a bit too silly, though.

    (Considers breaking, synchronised drowning, and dressage). Nah, let’s go with it.
    On dressage: there is no obvious reason why the Olympics should be restricted to humans, but nor an obvious reason why the only non-human competitors should be horses. What about greyhound racing?
    I don’t think we have big enough greyhounds to sit on.

    Elephant racing, perhaps.
    Elephant polo.
    The last time I heard about it, the World Champions at Elephant Polo were Scotland. If they become the GB team - like the Curlers did - then there could be a gold medal in it for us.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Washington State Primary - August 6, 2024 - Results as of Saturday Aug 10

    In the great Evergreen State of WA, votes from last Tuesday's "Top Two" primary are still trickling in (including signatures & other required info re: challenged ballots) but the broad outline is clear . . . and clearly favorable for Democrats, in terms of sheer numbers AND trends re: primary > general outcomes over recent decades:

    > Turnout - As of Saturday about 150k ballots remain to be counted statewide, or less than 10% of final turnout, which is coming in at just above 1.9m out of just under 4.9m active registered voters.

    > Govenor - Incumbent Dem Gov. Jay Inslee is not runnning this year, so open seat race; currently in the Top Two and thus advancing to general election ballot are Democrat & current state attorney general Bob Ferguson (45.5%) and Republican & former congressman Dave Reichert (27.5%); far back in 3rd & 4th place are Republican & former school board member (until recalled) Semi Bird (10.5%) and Democrat & state senator Mark Mullett (6.1%) trailed by 24 also-also rans (10.7%); further note that declared Democrats currently account for 55.2% of total vote

    > State Treasurer & Auditor - Both of these races feature just two primary candidates, who automatically (in absence of declared writein candidates) advance to general election, in each case the Democratic incumbent versus Republican challenger; currently party split for Treasurer is Dem 58.6, Rep 41.3, writeins 0.1%; for Auditor split is Dem 49.1%, Rep 40.8%, writeins 0.1%)

    > Commissioner of Public Lands - open seat as incumbent Democrat decided to run for something else, first for Gov, then dropped out of that to run for US House for 6th district (and came in 3rd & thus out in the primary); candidates are two Republicans and five Democrats - too much of a good thing for Dems as they chopped the Dem vote so fine that on Primary night the Top Two were the 2 GOPers; currently in 1st place is Republican & former congresswoman Jaime Herrera Beutler (22.0%) who voted to impeach You Know Who after his attempted couphowever, and fighting it out for 2nd place is Democratic King Co Councilmember Dave Upthegrove (20.8%) who's now leading Republican MAGA-maniac Sue Kuehl Pederson (20.7%) by just +2,014 votes out of over 1.7m cast in this race. Further note that the party split for this office, responsible for state public lands (especially timberlands) and WA dept of natural resources, is currently Dem 57.2%, Rep 42.7%, writeins 0.1%
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