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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    maaarsh said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    The world was much more dangerous under Trump.

    It was under him we had a global pandemic and lockdowns.
    It was also under him the Vaccines were developed, and the announcement of that fact was deferred until the week after the election.
    That was the odd thing about the last US election. Trump had a good story to tell about the pandemic, and his and VP Pence's role in combating it, but because Trump was running scared of the alt-right covid conspiracy nuts, he did not make that case.
    One of Trump’s personal proud achievements in office was “Operation Warp Speed”, the US code name name for the accelerated development and approval of the Covid vaccines. Almost every time he mentions it at his rallies, a significant proportion of the the crowd boos loudly.

    It’s an example of the contrarianism and polarisation seen by both sides in US politics, and the change in leadership happened just as the vaccine rollout started. The liberal media switched almost overnight from “Trump’s dangerous vaccine” to “Biden’s wonderful vaccine”.
    Did the liberal media really shout about "Trump's dangerous vaccine"?

    Could I see some links?
    Most of their own commentary was wiped from the internet a few months later, but the gist of it was they thought that Trump’s accelerated plan was prioritising the election date over the safety case.

    Here’s Kamala Harris saying that she won’t take a vaccine if Trump says to do so. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Iks_qLgnmrY
    I normally agree with you on most things but I can't agree with that.

    Rule number one of the internet is that nothing gets wiped from it.
    I shall keep looking, but there’s never been such a concerted effort to downrank anything, as there was with the covid vaccines.
    Well, PB is a great source, as the vaccine was discussed to death there. (Mostly with us being rude about the EU, but there was a lot of talk about vaccine procurement etc. And old articles and comments are definitely not purged from PB.)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

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    maaarsh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "'I don't want to jinx it' - PM on Euros bank holiday"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd197zdxv52o

    Bizarre kite to fly - impossible to do the following day and weirdly after the Lord Mayors any later
    Next day is utterly impossible, only day to make sense would be to pick a date a month or so later to have as a bank holiday and have a victory parade/celebrations then.
    There speaks someone who’s never lived in a Muslim country, where they call the holiday at 21:00 for the next day, having sighted or otherwise the new moon. 🌙
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 11

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    Like record manufacturing investment ?
    That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
    I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.


    It is sad and politics is brutal but

    Them's the breaks.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 270
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    Like record manufacturing investment ?
    That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
    Higher interest rates mean mortgage, car payments etc may have eaten into disposable income faster than it has risen. So people feel worse off.

    In the UK I'd suggest waiting lists, collapsing infrastructure and failing services are as much a factor as being at the mercy of global forces in eviction of our last incompetent government. According to Yougov Labour got it's highest % of vote in the high education / high income demographics, ~40%, those probably aren't people struggling that's people who are pissed off with the incompetence.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229
    Re vaccines, I remember Trump being booed by his own supporters when he told them to take the vaccine.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,100
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I'm reminded of the famous Harold Wilson maxim on this subject.

    Before the election, some of the Tory-inclined on here would regularly sound off about how well wages were doing and how the self-employed were coining it in and how that would bring workers back to the Conservative fold.

    Back in the real world, I'd argue my standard of living hasn't improved since 2010 - I've run hard to stand still. It's not so much the cost of a pint of milk that's the issue - it's the cost of things like insurance and utilties which have strained the finances. I feel I've been gouged by often foreign-owned companies and my hard earned is going to subsidise people in other countries.

    The current model of capitalism has failed - it's not capitalism itself which has failed but how it is being used in the 2020s.

    I must admit I don't remember anyone on here saying the self-employed were coining it in. If they had I certainly would have disputed that. My average day rate is currently less than 2/3rds of what it was in 2010. That is across a range of industries/sectors, not just oilfield work.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481

    Sahil Kapur
    @sahilkapur
    “He needs to drop out,” one Biden campaign official said. “He will never recover from this.”

    Story from
    @jonallendc

    @natashakorecki

    @carolelee
    :

    https://x.com/sahilkapur/status/1811435330744074289
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,567

    “Can you imagine what it would feel like to wake up on November 6 and discover that a plurality of Americans chose the insurrectionist who attempted a coup?

    Imagine what such an administration would be emboldened to do.”

    https://x.com/BillKristol


    I suggest they get used to the idea, because unless the Dems see sense in the next month...

    Though, as @rcs1000 has pointed out, the climate is against the Democrats anyway, even if they ditch Biden.

    Besides. Whilst the Dems will clearly be culpable for not putting up the best fight they can, the real culpability is elsewhere. With the Republicans for inserting themselves so far up Trump's colon, and with Trump... for being Trump, basically.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481
    rcs1000 said:

    Re vaccines, I remember Trump being booed by his own supporters when he told them to take the vaccine.

    Hopefully they'll vote for RFK and somehow allow Biden through despite now being obviously far too old.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 270

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    I’m not miserable. I enjoy someone else’s discomfort as much as anyone!
    If you listen carefully you can hear Janet Street Porter screaming at Kier Starmer "Why do you hate pensioners? Giving people a day off when pensioners already have every day off!"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    maaarsh said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    The world was much more dangerous under Trump.

    It was under him we had a global pandemic and lockdowns.
    It was also under him the Vaccines were developed, and the announcement of that fact was deferred until the week after the election.
    That was the odd thing about the last US election. Trump had a good story to tell about the pandemic, and his and VP Pence's role in combating it, but because Trump was running scared of the alt-right covid conspiracy nuts, he did not make that case.
    One of Trump’s personal proud achievements in office was “Operation Warp Speed”, the US code name name for the accelerated development and approval of the Covid vaccines. Almost every time he mentions it at his rallies, a significant proportion of the the crowd boos loudly.

    It’s an example of the contrarianism and polarisation seen by both sides in US politics, and the change in leadership happened just as the vaccine rollout started. The liberal media switched almost overnight from “Trump’s dangerous vaccine” to “Biden’s wonderful vaccine”.
    Did the liberal media really shout about "Trump's dangerous vaccine"?

    Could I see some links?
    Most of their own commentary was wiped from the internet a few months later, but the gist of it was they thought that Trump’s accelerated plan was prioritising the election date over the safety case.

    Here’s Kamala Harris saying that she won’t take a vaccine if Trump says to do so. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Iks_qLgnmrY
    I normally agree with you on most things but I can't agree with that.

    Rule number one of the internet is that nothing gets wiped from it.
    I shall keep looking, but there’s never been such a concerted effort to downrank anything, as there was with the covid vaccines.
    Well, PB is a great source, as the vaccine was discussed to death there. (Mostly with us being rude about the EU, but there was a lot of talk about vaccine procurement etc. And old articles and comments are definitely not purged from PB.)
    Indeed Sir, you do a good job!

    Speaking of which, where is the post-election donate button?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,052
    Good article Robert but surely in Spain the Socialists remained in power with the support of Podemos and Catalan nationalists even if no longer largest party?

    Trump is favourite but not a certainty. The US economy is doing better than most nations with stronger growth and lower inflation, though relatively high interest rates remain a problem for the Biden administration and the Democrat controlled Senate. Trump is also such a polarising character a lot of Independents will still vote against him even had they voted for a more centrist Republican candidate like Nikki Haley
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,100

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    Oh dear. I think we know where that last bit is going with the tiniest of edits.
    Reform is essentially Britain Trump.
    I am not sure I agree with that. I certainly don't see Farage, for all his faults, encouraging his supporters to storm Parliament after any election.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481
    Some longtime aides and advisers to President Biden have become increasingly convinced that he will have to step aside from the campaign, and in recent days they have been trying to come up with ways to persuade him that he should, according to three people briefed on the matter.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/us/politics/biden-aides-campaign.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742

    Is Sir Keir Starmer a risk to national and world security?

    Keir Starmer ‘went too far’ by confirming use of Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia

    Defence sources said that they were ‘disappointed’ the Prime Minster had allowed the conversation with President Zelensky to be made public


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/11/starmer-ukraine-british-storm-shadow-missiles-russia/

    The Established Order not having a good day, being ridden roughshod over by Ed Miliband and then the PM.

    No doubt they will have their revenge...
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
    Such estimates are generally divide GDP by 365 and that's about it
    A lot of assumptions to unpack.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    Oh dear. I think we know where that last bit is going with the tiniest of edits.
    Reform is essentially Britain Trump.
    I am not sure I agree with that. I certainly don't see Farage, for all his faults, encouraging his supporters to storm Parliament after any election.
    True. But maybe its just a more sedate version?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,261

    “Can you imagine what it would feel like to wake up on November 6 and discover that a plurality of Americans chose the insurrectionist who attempted a coup?

    Imagine what such an administration would be emboldened to do.”

    https://x.com/BillKristol


    I suggest they get used to the idea, because unless the Dems see sense in the next month...

    Though, as @rcs1000 has pointed out, the climate is against the Democrats anyway, even if they ditch Biden.

    Besides. Whilst the Dems will clearly be culpable for not putting up the best fight they can, the real culpability is elsewhere. With the Republicans for inserting themselves so far up Trump's colon, and with Trump... for being Trump, basically.
    And let's not give the voters a total pass.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
    The Tories estimated £2.9b I think. FWIW I don't think this is a Bank Hol-worthy event, nor will it happen anyway.

    Re. old people being miserable; I think maybe more the case that for many of them, every day is a bank holiday :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481

    Sahil Kapur
    @sahilkapur
    ·
    8m
    New
    @pewresearch
    poll

    • Trump leads Biden +34 points (!) on mental sharpness
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    Like record manufacturing investment ?
    That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
    I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.


    It is sad and politics is brutal but

    Them's the breaks.
    Every day he clings on is a day wasted.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Ghedebrav said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
    The Tories estimated £2.9b I think. FWIW I don't think this is a Bank Hol-worthy event, nor will it happen anyway.

    Re. old people being miserable; I think maybe more the case that for many of them, every day is a bank holiday :)
    Every day except actual bank holidays which are a pain because things are not open and the pubs are full.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,639
    Maybe your standard of living hasn't gone up. But you are supporting a larger and growing share of the population who don't earn an income. And no western country has reached the end of that process yet. Enjoy!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,708
    Thinking about Kemi's DON'T YOU DARE LEAK THIS ;) shadow cabinet outburst, I think she overcooked it by trying to do too much. She needed to get some distance between her and Sunak to gain credibility with the rank and file, and she did it almost perfectly, but couldn't resist trying to crush Suella at the same time. That undermines her work putting distance between herself and Sunak, because accusing a right-winger of being mentally ill is very Sunak-era style stuff.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    Sandpit said:

    How much will it cost Lord’s if they have to refund three days of ticket sales, and eat the cost of a whole load of F&B they ordered in expecting at least three days’ play?

    Can you insure against such an eventuality?
    A good question. You’ll usually find someone at Lloyds who will insure pretty much anything, and most likely hedge their bets by trading against the outcome they don’t want.

    The venue will likely have some sort of agreement with daily suppliers. I suspect that, if you could get your hands on the unprinted Lord’s hospitality menus for Saturday, you’d notice that the chef’s specials board at half the hotels in London will look remarkably similar!
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    Oh dear. I think we know where that last bit is going with the tiniest of edits.
    Reform is essentially Britain Trump.
    I am not sure I agree with that. I certainly don't see Farage, for all his faults, encouraging his supporters to storm Parliament after any election.
    I'm genuinely not sure about that.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    edited July 11

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
    Such estimates are generally divide GDP by 365 and that's about it
    A lot of assumptions to unpack.
    The quarterly GDP figures always include a note as to whether Easter falls in Q1 or Q2. It does make a material difference.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,480

    Is Sir Keir Starmer a risk to national and world security?

    Keir Starmer ‘went too far’ by confirming use of Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia

    Defence sources said that they were ‘disappointed’ the Prime Minster had allowed the conversation with President Zelensky to be made public


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/11/starmer-ukraine-british-storm-shadow-missiles-russia/

    There is no too far, kudos to Starmer if he made that executive decision overriding defence sources.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,594

    Is Sir Keir Starmer a risk to national and world security?

    Keir Starmer ‘went too far’ by confirming use of Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia

    Defence sources said that they were ‘disappointed’ the Prime Minster had allowed the conversation with President Zelensky to be made public


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/11/starmer-ukraine-british-storm-shadow-missiles-russia/

    I think any citing of the current Telegraph needs at least another supporting outlet for Starmer stories.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,052
    edited July 11
    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Scots also not keen, just 14% want a UK Bank Holiday if England win the Euros and 6% one in England only. 25% of Welsh back a BH if that occurs though
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-results/daily/2024/07/11/b97a9/1
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    HYUFD said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Scots even less keen, just 14% want a Bank Holiday if England win the Euros. 20% of Welsh back a BH if that occurs though
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-results/daily/2024/07/11/b97a9/1
    Surely the extra bank holiday would only be in England?

    Scotland and Wales also entered this competition, and didn’t make the final.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,480
    MattW said:

    Dethreaded.

    So, can anyone see behind the first statement from Louise Haigh, the Transport Minister:

    New Transport Secretary Louise Haigh promised to deliver the biggest overhaul to transport in a generation.

    The Secretary of State immediately convened officials to begin work at pace across the department on rail reform, further devolution of bus powers, ensuring infrastructure works for the whole country, and supporting local authorities to fix roads for the long term.

    In her first address to Department for Transport (DfT) staff on Monday (8 July 2024), Haigh set out her 5 strategic priorities, putting transport at the heart of mission-driven government.

    They include:

    improving performance on the railways and driving forward rail reform
    improving bus services and growing usage across the country
    transforming infrastructure to work for the whole country, promoting social mobility and tackling regional inequality
    delivering greener transport
    better integrating transport networks

    Getting straight into action, the Transport Secretary’s first official visit later this week will be focused on plans to deliver better buses in every corner of the country, beginning a round of engagement with Mayors and devolved leaders who will be key delivery partners.


    And we have:

    The newly-appointed Rail Minister, Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill CBE will also bring decades of experience to help realise the Government’s ambition of transforming infrastructure and improving public transport to deliver for passengers.

    In addition, the Prime Minister has announced the appointment of new ministers at the Department, including Future of Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood MP, Local Transport Minister Simon Lightwood MP, and Aviation, Maritime, and Security Minister Mike Kane MP.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secretary-sets-out-5-key-priorities-to-deliver-the-biggest-overhaul-to-transport-in-a-generation

    Thoughts?

    Unsurprising but disappointing lack of investment in new roads and bridges as a priority, both of which can be used by buses and cyclists as well as vehicles.

    New bridges especially create connections where none exist currently and new roads not just improve transportation but enables economic growth and development on the side of it too.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I'm reminded of the famous Harold Wilson maxim on this subject.

    Before the election, some of the Tory-inclined on here would regularly sound off about how well wages were doing and how the self-employed were coining it in and how that would bring workers back to the Conservative fold.

    Back in the real world, I'd argue my standard of living hasn't improved since 2010 - I've run hard to stand still. It's not so much the cost of a pint of milk that's the issue - it's the cost of things like insurance and utilties which have strained the finances. I feel I've been gouged by often foreign-owned companies and my hard earned is going to subsidise people in other countries.

    The current model of capitalism has failed - it's not capitalism itself which has failed but how it is being used in the 2020s.

    I must admit I don't remember anyone on here saying the self-employed were coining it in. If they had I certainly would have disputed that. My average day rate is currently less than 2/3rds of what it was in 2010. That is across a range of industries/sectors, not just oilfield work.
    Me too.

    In actual terms I am earning around 2/3rds of what I was earning in the late 2000s. Whilst employee wages went up mine went down. I don't believe it was down to Government policy merely supply v demand for consultants like me. Thus in order to ensure business my prices have had to decrease. It's been a buyers market, I am given ultimatums by regular customers to match competitor pricing if I want to keep their business. I can't really complain because that is what I would do too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,368
    edited July 11
    Another 3 day test match in the offing. Disappointing.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,065

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    Oh dear. I think we know where that last bit is going with the tiniest of edits.
    Reform is essentially Britain Trump.
    I am not sure I agree with that. I certainly don't see Farage, for all his faults, encouraging his supporters to storm Parliament after any election.
    Pause.

    You do know you've witch'd it now, yes?

    "To the barricades, mes amis gammoniste! Pour l'honneur, pour la glore, pour la Grande Bretagne Insoumis!"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,596
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
    Such estimates are generally divide GDP by 365 and that's about it
    A lot of assumptions to unpack.
    The quarterly GDP figures always include a note as to whether Easter falls in Q1 or Q2. It does make a material difference.
    That's why we'll get a Bank Holiday if we win, to lower this year's economic performance and make Labour's later years look better.... ;)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,480
    Sandpit said:

    .

    maaarsh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "'I don't want to jinx it' - PM on Euros bank holiday"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd197zdxv52o

    Bizarre kite to fly - impossible to do the following day and weirdly after the Lord Mayors any later
    Next day is utterly impossible, only day to make sense would be to pick a date a month or so later to have as a bank holiday and have a victory parade/celebrations then.
    There speaks someone who’s never lived in a Muslim country, where they call the holiday at 21:00 for the next day, having sighted or otherwise the new moon. 🌙
    They're set up for that though.

    I've flown before in Alberta during a literal blizzard. The airport stayed open as normal and consistently sprayed our plane with jets of water to ensure the snow didn't freeze on the plane until our window on the runway opened and we could take off.

    Snow here and everything shuts down. Shut down for snow there and they'd be shut for half the year.

    It makes a big difference what you're set up for. Firms here aren't set up to have a bank holiday with zero notice.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,261
    HYUFD said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Scots also not keen, just 14% want a UK Bank Holiday if England win the Euros and 6% one in England only. 25% of Welsh back a BH if that occurs though
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-results/daily/2024/07/11/b97a9/1
    Wouldn't the Scots want a Bank Holiday if Spain win the final?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,275

    Thinking about Kemi's DON'T YOU DARE LEAK THIS ;) shadow cabinet outburst, I think she overcooked it by trying to do too much. She needed to get some distance between her and Sunak to gain credibility with the rank and file, and she did it almost perfectly, but couldn't resist trying to crush Suella at the same time. That undermines her work putting distance between herself and Sunak, because accusing a right-winger of being mentally ill is very Sunak-era style stuff.

    Not sure there ever was a "Sunak-era" except perhaps for the duration of the Rishi Meal Deal.

    Otherwise reckon points you raise make much sense.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    Sandpit said:

    .

    maaarsh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "'I don't want to jinx it' - PM on Euros bank holiday"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd197zdxv52o

    Bizarre kite to fly - impossible to do the following day and weirdly after the Lord Mayors any later
    Next day is utterly impossible, only day to make sense would be to pick a date a month or so later to have as a bank holiday and have a victory parade/celebrations then.
    There speaks someone who’s never lived in a Muslim country, where they call the holiday at 21:00 for the next day, having sighted or otherwise the new moon. 🌙
    They're set up for that though.

    I've flown before in Alberta during a literal blizzard. The airport stayed open as normal and consistently sprayed our plane with jets of water to ensure the snow didn't freeze on the plane until our window on the runway opened and we could take off.

    Snow here and everything shuts down. Shut down for snow there and they'd be shut for half the year.

    It makes a big difference what you're set up for. Firms here aren't set up to have a bank holiday with zero notice.
    Okay I’ll give you most of that comment. It’s either going to be tomorrow or the day after that’s the holiday, and you deal with it as it comes.

    They definitely weren’t spraying the planes with water though. It’s a glycol de-icer, designed to stop water freezing on the wings and adversely affecting the aerodynamics of the planes.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,706

    My friend was horrified by the results of his genealogy test.

    He found out his great grandfather was from Transylvania.

    Now he can't look himself in the mirror.

    It's the way you tell em...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,261

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I'm reminded of the famous Harold Wilson maxim on this subject.

    Before the election, some of the Tory-inclined on here would regularly sound off about how well wages were doing and how the self-employed were coining it in and how that would bring workers back to the Conservative fold.

    Back in the real world, I'd argue my standard of living hasn't improved since 2010 - I've run hard to stand still. It's not so much the cost of a pint of milk that's the issue - it's the cost of things like insurance and utilties which have strained the finances. I feel I've been gouged by often foreign-owned companies and my hard earned is going to subsidise people in other countries.

    The current model of capitalism has failed - it's not capitalism itself which has failed but how it is being used in the 2020s.

    I must admit I don't remember anyone on here saying the self-employed were coining it in. If they had I certainly would have disputed that. My average day rate is currently less than 2/3rds of what it was in 2010. That is across a range of industries/sectors, not just oilfield work.
    Me too.

    In actual terms I am earning around 2/3rds of what I was earning in the late 2000s. Whilst employee wages went up mine went down. I don't believe it was down to Government policy merely supply v demand for consultants like me. Thus in order to ensure business my prices have had to decrease. It's been a buyers market, I am given ultimatums by regular customers to match competitor pricing if I want to keep their business. I can't really complain because that is what I would do too.
    Surely there's a "Mexicanpete Premium"?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,362

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,553
    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    So I was about to join Reform until this....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,261
    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Is Calvin going to be our Eric Zemmour and split the hard right?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,119

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Well, without petroleum derived fertilisers there would be a whole lot fewer humans on earth, and those that were here wouldn’t be very rich
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954


    Sahil Kapur
    @sahilkapur
    ·
    8m
    New
    @pewresearch
    poll

    • Trump leads Biden +34 points (!) on mental sharpness

    The phrase between a rock and a hard place comes to mind.
  • MattW said:

    Dethreaded.

    So, can anyone see behind the first statement from Louise Haigh, the Transport Minister:

    New Transport Secretary Louise Haigh promised to deliver the biggest overhaul to transport in a generation.

    The Secretary of State immediately convened officials to begin work at pace across the department on rail reform, further devolution of bus powers, ensuring infrastructure works for the whole country, and supporting local authorities to fix roads for the long term.

    In her first address to Department for Transport (DfT) staff on Monday (8 July 2024), Haigh set out her 5 strategic priorities, putting transport at the heart of mission-driven government.

    They include:

    improving performance on the railways and driving forward rail reform
    improving bus services and growing usage across the country
    transforming infrastructure to work for the whole country, promoting social mobility and tackling regional inequality
    delivering greener transport
    better integrating transport networks

    Getting straight into action, the Transport Secretary’s first official visit later this week will be focused on plans to deliver better buses in every corner of the country, beginning a round of engagement with Mayors and devolved leaders who will be key delivery partners.


    And we have:

    The newly-appointed Rail Minister, Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill CBE will also bring decades of experience to help realise the Government’s ambition of transforming infrastructure and improving public transport to deliver for passengers.

    In addition, the Prime Minister has announced the appointment of new ministers at the Department, including Future of Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood MP, Local Transport Minister Simon Lightwood MP, and Aviation, Maritime, and Security Minister Mike Kane MP.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secretary-sets-out-5-key-priorities-to-deliver-the-biggest-overhaul-to-transport-in-a-generation

    Thoughts?

    Putting on more buses is something that can be done very quickly because it dosent need infrastructure and the years long planning circus that goes with it.

    A lot of places outside the main conurbations that once had an hourly 7 days a week service including Sundays now get a few buses a day and zilch evenings and Sundays.

    Restoring a proper all day service will make a huge difference to a lot of peeoples lives and cost about much as the subsidy for the heart of Wales Railway Line.

    Its a win win scenario, especially with much of Middle England now having Labour MPs

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,437
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Scots even less keen, just 14% want a Bank Holiday if England win the Euros. 20% of Welsh back a BH if that occurs though
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/overview/survey-results/daily/2024/07/11/b97a9/1
    Surely the extra bank holiday would only be in England?

    Scotland and Wales also entered this competition, and didn’t make the final.
    Yeah, they can keep working whilst we in England do a bit of freeloading.

    That or they'll demand £200m or so as compensation.
  • ianian Posts: 23

    ian said:

    Lilian Greenwood has been specialising in transport for quite some time, not just a seat warmer

    I did a bit of research and can't find a single interesting or innovative proposal from her. At all.

    Everything I read indicates she is the kind of person who sees value in developing a framework for government and stakeholders to make informed decisions about future initiatives aimed toward achieving the opportunity for positive outcomes in the transport sector, particularly with regard to disenfranchised groups.
    My point exactly.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,567
    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Whichever bishop it was decided not to ordain Fr Calvin in the Church of England may have had a point.

    (TBH, I'm surprised that his theological college didn't manage to pray this out of him.)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,480
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    .

    maaarsh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "'I don't want to jinx it' - PM on Euros bank holiday"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd197zdxv52o

    Bizarre kite to fly - impossible to do the following day and weirdly after the Lord Mayors any later
    Next day is utterly impossible, only day to make sense would be to pick a date a month or so later to have as a bank holiday and have a victory parade/celebrations then.
    There speaks someone who’s never lived in a Muslim country, where they call the holiday at 21:00 for the next day, having sighted or otherwise the new moon. 🌙
    They're set up for that though.

    I've flown before in Alberta during a literal blizzard. The airport stayed open as normal and consistently sprayed our plane with jets of water to ensure the snow didn't freeze on the plane until our window on the runway opened and we could take off.

    Snow here and everything shuts down. Shut down for snow there and they'd be shut for half the year.

    It makes a big difference what you're set up for. Firms here aren't set up to have a bank holiday with zero notice.
    Okay I’ll give you most of that comment. It’s either going to be tomorrow or the day after that’s the holiday, and you deal with it as it comes.

    They definitely weren’t spraying the planes with water though. It’s a glycol de-icer, designed to stop water freezing on the wings and adversely affecting the aerodynamics of the planes.
    Yeah I should have said some sort of liquid, I obviously didn't step out of the plane to examine or ask what it was. 🤣
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Errrr, without nitrogen fertilizers the world would starve.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    I have to say Bidens resilience in the polls has surprised me

    New General Election Poll

    🔵 Biden 47% (+1)
    🔴 Trump 46%

    Data for progress #C+ - 2067 LV - 7/3
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,290
    Harris leads Trump by 3 in the latest poll

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1811364950952014093?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I think that’s it now. The Democrats have a chance and they have to seize it. I expect Biden to step down in the next fortnight
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229
    Andy_JS said:

    Another 3 day test match in the offing. Disappointing.

    You think the Windies will be able to stretch it out into tomorrow?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 21,886
    edited July 11
    MattW said:

    Dethreaded.

    So, can anyone see behind the first statement from Louise Haigh, the Transport Minister:

    New Transport Secretary Louise Haigh promised to deliver the biggest overhaul to transport in a generation.

    The Secretary of State immediately convened officials to begin work at pace across the department on rail reform, further devolution of bus powers, ensuring infrastructure works for the whole country, and supporting local authorities to fix roads for the long term.

    In her first address to Department for Transport (DfT) staff on Monday (8 July 2024), Haigh set out her 5 strategic priorities, putting transport at the heart of mission-driven government.

    They include:

    improving performance on the railways and driving forward rail reform
    improving bus services and growing usage across the country
    transforming infrastructure to work for the whole country, promoting social mobility and tackling regional inequality
    delivering greener transport
    better integrating transport networks

    Getting straight into action, the Transport Secretary’s first official visit later this week will be focused on plans to deliver better buses in every corner of the country, beginning a round of engagement with Mayors and devolved leaders who will be key delivery partners.


    And we have:

    The newly-appointed Rail Minister, Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill CBE will also bring decades of experience to help realise the Government’s ambition of transforming infrastructure and improving public transport to deliver for passengers.

    In addition, the Prime Minister has announced the appointment of new ministers at the Department, including Future of Roads Minister Lilian Greenwood MP, Local Transport Minister Simon Lightwood MP, and Aviation, Maritime, and Security Minister Mike Kane MP.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transport-secretary-sets-out-5-key-priorities-to-deliver-the-biggest-overhaul-to-transport-in-a-generation

    Thoughts?

    Answering my own question, the only one well-known to me is Lilian Greenwood, who is MP for Nottingham South since 2010, and takes a fairly consistent interest in active travel modes. She commutes around London on an E-Brompton like @rcs1000 , and was knocked off it by an illegally turning van in spring 2023.

    She's also the MP for the part of Trent Bridge where my friend had his elbow broken by a sleepy lane swapping SUV driver trapping him against a solid terrorist barrier, but to talk to her about improving that facility would I think require a game of Chinese Whispers with Lee Anderson in the middle - not something I have tried yet.

    More locally, our new Police and Crime Commissioner is now consulting on future policies. So I've explained that the most problematic type of Antisocial Behaviour in my town is pavement parking, amongst other things, and asked for some PCSOs and Operation Parksafe as part of our new neighbourhood police action :smile: . I have a little list.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,290
    edited July 11
    In more important news. Here in Provence it is beautiful and serene and 34C at 7pm

    Eeeesh

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,429
    Ghedebrav said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nunu5 said:

    Should there be a bank holiday if England win Euro 2024?

    All Britons
    Yes: 39%
    No: 51%

    18-24 year olds
    Yes: 55%
    No: 32%

    65+ year olds
    Yes: 18%
    No: 73%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society

    Why are our old people so miserable?

    Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
    There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
    The Tories estimated £2.9b I think. FWIW I don't think this is a Bank Hol-worthy event, nor will it happen anyway.

    Re. old people being miserable; I think maybe more the case that for many of them, every day is a bank holiday :)
    The 2.9 billion refers to established Bank Holidays, IIRC.

    When they are known in advanced more people are off work and many more plan trips out of the country.

    The impromptu ones have much less planned holidays and more people work anyway. Again, IIRC.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954
    Leon said:

    Harris leads Trump by 3 in the latest poll

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1811364950952014093?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I think that’s it now. The Democrats have a chance and they have to seize it. I expect Biden to step down in the next fortnight

    But worryingly that will give Trump a massive victory before the election
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,553
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
  • rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilizers have a rather better rep than starvation.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,275
    edited July 11

    Sandpit said:

    .

    maaarsh said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "'I don't want to jinx it' - PM on Euros bank holiday"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd197zdxv52o

    Bizarre kite to fly - impossible to do the following day and weirdly after the Lord Mayors any later
    Next day is utterly impossible, only day to make sense would be to pick a date a month or so later to have as a bank holiday and have a victory parade/celebrations then.
    There speaks someone who’s never lived in a Muslim country, where they call the holiday at 21:00 for the next day, having sighted or otherwise the new moon. 🌙
    They're set up for that though.

    I've flown before in Alberta during a literal blizzard. The airport stayed open as normal and consistently sprayed our plane with jets of water to ensure the snow didn't freeze on the plane until our window on the runway opened and we could take off.

    Snow here and everything shuts down. Shut down for snow there and they'd be shut for half the year.

    It makes a big difference what you're set up for. Firms here aren't set up to have a bank holiday with zero notice.
    Wasn't water they were spraying on your plane, instead de-icer and/or anti-freeze (if there's a difference).

    Years ago was talking to a truck driver from Alberta. Who was quietly but definitely ironic (ditto iconic) re: readiness of Americans in the Pacific Northwest to shut down passes and highways due to a bit of frozen water.

    Told him he should check out things way down South during a rare blast of winter weather!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,480

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

    But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

    Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,567
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He always was right wing in a Kemi B sort of way, but went a bit too far down the rabbit hole. And, as his outbursts cut him off from opportunities, he went further and further in.

    It's one thing to point and laugh at outlets like GBN, but the "spout provocative nonsense for cash" game is a dangerous one.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Leon said:

    Harris leads Trump by 3 in the latest poll

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1811364950952014093?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    I think that’s it now. The Democrats have a chance and they have to seize it. I expect Biden to step down in the next fortnight

    Press conference today.

    Clooney intervention possibly mega. And for all the people saying Yebbut Trump is senile too, dropping Biden converts that from a defensive play to a real attack line. So they should be thrilled.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,429

    Is Sir Keir Starmer a risk to national and world security?

    Keir Starmer ‘went too far’ by confirming use of Storm Shadow missiles inside Russia

    Defence sources said that they were ‘disappointed’ the Prime Minster had allowed the conversation with President Zelensky to be made public


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/11/starmer-ukraine-british-storm-shadow-missiles-russia/

    Personally I’d be ok with announcing they can use U.K. supplied *nuclear weapons*. If they accidentally hit France while aiming at Russia that’s a plus.
    Plus, if the Ukrainians nuked Paris, the rest of the country would elect Zelensky as the next President of France, solving the Le Pen issue.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited July 11
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Developing oil fields costs billions before you get the first barrel.

    Stop oil being used for fuel (which basically drives the business case) and very little will. get extracted, which means all the other things produced from the elements of crude oil not distilled into gas and petrol will be in very short supply and very expensive. At the moment they are made from what amounts to abundant waste products left over when you have distilled off the gas and petroleum.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    Ooh, wicket at the end.

    Should we ask for the extra half hour? ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

    But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

    Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
    I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."

    Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Nunu5 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
    Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,553
    Exclusive: US and Germany foiled Russian plot to assassinate CEO of arms manufacturer sending weapons to Ukraine

    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/us-germany-foiled-russian-assassination-plot/index.html
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,708
    edited July 11
    Nunu5 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
    I don’t think it was over racism - afaicr it was about someone else being sacked from GBNews and Calvin Robinsin protesting against it. Though they dodged a bullet by doing so it would appear!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 16,567

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

    But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

    Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
    They do, but pharmaceuticals really don't need much in the way of petrochemicals. And the raw materials aren't where the cost is.

    (Source: the size of a petrol tank and the size of an ibuprofen tablet.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Developing oil fields costs billions before you get the first barrel.

    Stop oil being used for fuel (which basically drives the business case) and very little will happen which means all the other things produced from the elements of crude oil not distilled into gas and petrol will be in very short supply and very expensive. At the moment they are made from what amounts to abundant waste products left over when you have distilled off the gas and petroleum.

    That's not how economics or oil works. And bear in mind that I have been paid many times to speak at oil industry conferences, and that I was pretty much the first person to predict the big increase in unconventional oil industry production in the US.

    The oil industry needs to replace about 5 million barrels of production each year to make up for depletion of existing fields. If they only have to replace 4 million barrels because demand is falling, then it will be the most expensive new fields that don't get developed.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilizers have a rather better rep than starvation.
    Well yes. But DDT was not saved by the fact that it would wipe out malaria.
  • TazTaz Posts: 13,625

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

    But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

    Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
    Not only do they contain them but petrochemical based products are used in their manufacture. These are products you cannot just replace/swap put at the drop of a hat. It is a massively regulated/risk averse industry and it can take years to change out/requalify production consumables. Especially ones that are product contact.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 50,611

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilizers have a rather better rep than starvation.
    Well yes. But DDT was not saved by the fact that it would wipe out malaria.
    Give me spots on my apples but leave me the birds and the bees, please.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,290
    French women don’t know when to dress their age, after a certain point

    Awks
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,708

    Nunu5 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
    Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
    I knew it was the archaic English word for Muslim, but it it inherently offensive? Is it the mention of Mohammed?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nunu5 said:

    https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1811343910754504940

    This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.

    Idiot.

    Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.

    He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
    Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
    It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.

    The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.

    It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.

    It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
    But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
    Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.

    We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
    Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
    I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.

    Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)

    But why would that make them more expensive?

    You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899

    * And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
    Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
    Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.

    But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.

    Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
    They do, but pharmaceuticals really don't need much in the way of petrochemicals. And the raw materials aren't where the cost is.

    (Source: the size of a petrol tank and the size of an ibuprofen tablet.)
    How much would 75 litres of ibuprofen cost? Think I’ll stick to putting petrol in the tank.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,781

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    Like record manufacturing investment ?
    That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
    I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.


    It is sad and politics is brutal but

    Them's the breaks.
    Oh, I entirely agree.

    I'm talking about the Democrats' chances, on the assumption he doesn't run in November.
  • Nunu5 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
    Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
    I knew it was the archaic English word for Muslim, but it it inherently offensive? Is it the mention of Mohammed?
    Sounds as daft as Christian being offensive because adherents follow Christ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,290
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    Like record manufacturing investment ?
    That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
    I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.


    It is sad and politics is brutal but

    Them's the breaks.
    Oh, I entirely agree.

    I'm talking about the Democrats' chances, on the assumption he doesn't run in November.
    They have zero chance if Biden stays. They have a real chance if they move fast and replace him. Ideally they wouldn’t have put themselves in this absurd position - but then so many silly people were keen to believe the obvious lie that Biden is fine… they are idiots

    This also puts paid to @HYUFD’s absurd notion that Trump wants Biden to stand down. Trump KNOWS he’s a certain winner if Biden stays
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,261
    Leon said:

    In more important news. Here in Provence it is beautiful and serene and 34C at 7pm

    Eeeesh

    I like a bit of heat but 34 degrees in the evening is overegging it for me. 25 is ample.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,162
    Leon said:

    French women don’t know when to dress their age, after a certain point

    Awks

    And Italian women look hot until about 50 and then suddenly dress like they're 80+ ?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,867
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    maaarsh said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    The world was much more dangerous under Trump.

    It was under him we had a global pandemic and lockdowns.
    It was also under him the Vaccines were developed, and the announcement of that fact was deferred until the week after the election.
    That was the odd thing about the last US election. Trump had a good story to tell about the pandemic, and his and VP Pence's role in combating it, but because Trump was running scared of the alt-right covid conspiracy nuts, he did not make that case.
    One of Trump’s personal proud achievements in office was “Operation Warp Speed”, the US code name name for the accelerated development and approval of the Covid vaccines. Almost every time he mentions it at his rallies, a significant proportion of the the crowd boos loudly.

    It’s an example of the contrarianism and polarisation seen by both sides in US politics, and the change in leadership happened just as the vaccine rollout started. The liberal media switched almost overnight from “Trump’s dangerous vaccine” to “Biden’s wonderful vaccine”.
    Did the liberal media really shout about "Trump's dangerous vaccine"?

    Could I see some links?
    Most of their own commentary was wiped from the internet a few months later, but the gist of it was they thought that Trump’s accelerated plan was prioritising the election date over the safety case.

    Here’s Kamala Harris saying that she won’t take a vaccine if Trump says to do so. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Iks_qLgnmrY
    No, it isn't.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    edited July 11

    Nunu5 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
    Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
    I knew it was the archaic English word for Muslim, but it it inherently offensive? Is it the mention of Mohammed?
    You have to be careful when mentioning Mohammed, it has to be done respectfully. Muslims would usually say something like ‘peace be upon him’ when mentioning the name, and he is the Prophet rather than the God (Allah).

    When one race or religion talks about another, the language is really important and can cause inadvertent offence.

    Edit: @TheScreamingEagles beat me to it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481
    Democratic senators are beginning to leave from their lunch meeting with senior Biden campaign staff members. Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire was the first one out and said that it was a “strong” presentation from the campaign and that she remained firmly behind the president.

    NY Time blog


    FFS.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,119

    Nunu5 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He got sacked by GB News, tells you everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67009045
    Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
    Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
    I knew it was the archaic English word for Muslim, but it it inherently offensive? Is it the mention of Mohammed?
    Yes.

    Muslims consider it offensive as it implies Muslims worship Mohammed (pbuh) rather than Allah.
    Kind of like Papist
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,261
    edited July 11

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://x.com/ziayus/status/1811341993462702407

    It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.

    Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.

    This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.

    I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.

    @calvinrobinson
    Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷

    Islam is incompatible with British values.

    This is a Christian country.
    British values are Christian values.

    Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?

    https://x.com/calvinrobinson/status/1811353981337186702
    Who the hell is this guy?

    A black man dressed as a priest, but sounds like Tommy Robinson on one of his more islamophobic days. Call me confused.
    He always was right wing in a Kemi B sort of way, but went a bit too far down the rabbit hole. And, as his outbursts cut him off from opportunities, he went further and further in.

    It's one thing to point and laugh at outlets like GBN, but the "spout provocative nonsense for cash" game is a dangerous one.
    Or for attention. The mad to bad to sad ratio with these people can be hard to determine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,052
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.

    The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.

    All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
    The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump

    Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
    Like record manufacturing investment ?
    That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
    I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.


    It is sad and politics is brutal but

    Them's the breaks.
    Oh, I entirely agree.

    I'm talking about the Democrats' chances, on the assumption he doesn't run in November.
    They have zero chance if Biden stays. They have a real chance if they move fast and replace him. Ideally they wouldn’t have put themselves in this absurd position - but then so many silly people were keen to believe the obvious lie that Biden is fine… they are idiots

    This also puts paid to @HYUFD’s absurd notion that Trump wants Biden to stand down. Trump KNOWS he’s a certain winner if Biden stays
    He doesn't, see the latest Emerson poll:


    'Trump 46% Biden 43% 11% undecided

    Vice President Kamala Harris: 49% Trump, 43% Harris, 8% undecided
    Senator Bernie Sanders: 48% Trump, 42% Sanders, 10% undecided
    California Governor Gavin Newsom: 48% Trump, 40% Newsom, 12% undecided
    Former Vice President Al Gore: 47% Trump, 42% Gore, 11% undecided
    Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 48% Trump, 41% Clinton, 11% undecided
    Senator Elizabeth Warren: 49% Trump, 39% Warren, 13% undecided
    Secretary of State Pete Buttigieg: 49% Trump, 39% Buttigieg, 12% undecided
    Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro: 46% Trump, 38% Shapiro, 16% undecided
    Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer: 48% Trump, 38% Whitmer, 15% undecided'
    https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-national-poll-trump-46-biden-43/
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