It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Democratic senators are beginning to leave from their lunch meeting with senior Biden campaign staff members. Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire was the first one out and said that it was a “strong” presentation from the campaign and that she remained firmly behind the president.
NY Time blog
FFS.
Behind the president is also the best place to stand if you're planning to wield the knife...
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Couldn't agree more with Robert. If Trump wasn't a dishonest, convicted, misogynist hypocrite he would be walking this, despite Biden having probably the best economic record of any democratic country. But then, he wouldn't be Donald J Trump.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.
The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.
All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump
Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
Like record manufacturing investment ? That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.
It is sad and politics is brutal but
Them's the breaks.
Oh, I entirely agree.
I'm talking about the Democrats' chances, on the assumption he doesn't run in November.
They have zero chance if Biden stays. They have a real chance if they move fast and replace him. Ideally they wouldn’t have put themselves in this absurd position - but then so many silly people were keen to believe the obvious lie that Biden is fine… they are idiots
This also puts paid to @HYUFD’s absurd notion that Trump wants Biden to stand down. Trump KNOWS he’s a certain winner if Biden stays
He doesn't, see the latest Emerson poll:
'Trump 46% Biden 43% 11% undecided
Vice President Kamala Harris: 49% Trump, 43% Harris, 8% undecided Senator Bernie Sanders: 48% Trump, 42% Sanders, 10% undecided California Governor Gavin Newsom: 48% Trump, 40% Newsom, 12% undecided Former Vice President Al Gore: 47% Trump, 42% Gore, 11% undecided Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 48% Trump, 41% Clinton, 11% undecided Senator Elizabeth Warren: 49% Trump, 39% Warren, 13% undecided Secretary of State Pete Buttigieg: 49% Trump, 39% Buttigieg, 12% undecided Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro: 46% Trump, 38% Shapiro, 16% undecided Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer: 48% Trump, 38% Whitmer, 15% undecided' https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-national-poll-trump-46-biden-43/
You might as well quote the polling for Someone You Know Little if Anything About (Yet) v Trump. And such polling is by and large pretty worthless.
The thing is, once that unknown person has a chance to properly define themselves in terms of the presidential office they aspire to, the polling would change in their favour. It always does in presidential contests, the potential nominee who emerges from the pack always sees a boost once they become the actual nominee.
It's essentially the same reason why sitting PMs always fare better against the LOTO in polling for "Best PM" than they do in any other comparative measure. Familiarity in the role v the unfamiliar.
Btw, I am really enjoying The Whirlwind on Netflix. Absurd but fun political melodrama, which kicks off with the attempted assassination of the S Korean President.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Isn't catholic itself somewhat offensive in its presumption of universality?
Yes. With the emphasis on "somewhat".
But there's no need for it to interfere with relations and dialogue. We all have our tics and problems; this just happens to be one of the RC ones, to me.
In more important news. Here in Provence it is beautiful and serene and 34C at 7pm
Eeeesh
I like a bit of heat but 34 degrees in the evening is overegging it for me. 25 is ample.
I'm trying to work out if this is unusual
I spent a fortnight almost exactly here, in the Luberon, about 30 years ago. I remember it being hot and sunny but not 34 fucking degrees at half seven PM. Jeez
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Btw, I am really enjoying The Whirlwind on Netflix. Absurd but fun political melodrama, which kicks off with the attempted assassination of the S Korean President.
I'm on a drama break because of all the sport and politics. Resume after the Open in 11 days.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Two people have been hospitalised after eating lasagne containing horse meat.
Doctors say they're in a stable condition.
Ed Davey and Tim Farron engaged in a foursome with two women who are not their wives. Hard drugs also involved. Sign on the door outside says ... "Lib Dems Sinning Here".
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Because there's no such thing as free money perhaps.
There are estimates that a “special”, one off Bank Holiday cost £1.36Bn
Such estimates are generally divide GDP by 365 and that's about it A lot of assumptions to unpack.
The quarterly GDP figures always include a note as to whether Easter falls in Q1 or Q2. It does make a material difference.
Though the Easter effect is largely driven by people taking additional days on either side. NI takes the Tuesday off rather than the Friday, in an attempt to minimise this.
The effect of a single extra bank holiday is estimated at being between 0.7% and 2% of GDP in that month, but analysis suggests that last year's coronation holiday was estimated to produce a drop of only 0.5%
Holding it after the school holidays had started would be the sensible thing to do if you're really concerned about the costs.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Isn't catholic itself somewhat offensive in its presumption of universality?
Yes.
It came into use as an derogatory insult "Roman Catholic" however rather than take offence we just adopted it and in the 19th Century the high Anglicans started calling themselves Anglo Catholic.
Catholic (without the Roman bit) includes all eastern rite Christians in communion with Rome as well as the Orthodox Church who are part of the Church with valid orders but in schism.
Fun fact. If a Catholic is somewhere with no RC Church but an Orthodox church nearby they are obliged to attend Sunday Mass at it (the Orthodox would take a dim view if they attempted to receive Communion)
In contrast the C of Es orders are deemed null and void (as post Elizabeth they basically self declared them as void making ordinations invalid), therefore such obligation dosent apply (with attendence, even at Funerals forbidden until quite recently and receiving of communion at a C of E church strictly forbidden.
The nullity bit is a bit vaguer now as a lot of "high" C of E priests and bishops got themselves ordained by Old Catholics (19th Century Schism with valid orders)
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0
Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.
No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.
And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.
Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?
Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.
Stuart's point is utter nonsense I'm afraid. I always use the English term wherever there is a choice. The only thing I'd feel if another nation used a term for 'English' or 'Britain' etc. that wasn't the same term I would use is pride, that we were notable enough to be given a name in their own language.
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
First run in over a month, not breaking any (even personal) records 10k in 69 minutes. Not as impressive as the chap who ran with us, he's in remission from a recurrence of stage 4 cancer ! Which puts my recent laziness to shame
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0
Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.
No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.
And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.
Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?
Not really, because it's a different language.
(Though the trend is to leave people's names alone during translation; the PM of Spain is Pedro Sanchez, not Peter.)
Going back to the point, there are perfectly good names in English for followers of Islam which said followers are happy to embrace. And Mohammedan isn't one of them. Therefore using it is a dickish thing to do.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
On topic - I suspect many Conservatives will agree with the header. That is why they are very unlikely to take the measures necessary to put them in a position to be competitive at the next GE. One of such changes is an absolute necessity to stop blaming anyone and everyone else for their own obvious failings.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0
Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.
No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.
And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.
Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?
Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.
A Chinese friend of mine tells me that the expression "Chinaman" is derogatory. Is it? If so I was unaware of it
It is
There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!
Niger is an accident waiting to happen, isn't it?
If you aren't aware it is French and has a French pronunciation, and you try to say it? You get sacked
It is a bit like the word "coloured". Seen as grossly offensive until you come across one of the millions of (Cape) coloureds from South Africa and Zimbabwe who are Coloured and proud of it and get very offended if you say they are blacks (as do some black South Africans if you say Cspe Coloureds are black (they get different and much smaller quotas for positive discrimination under black economic empowerment laws).
Get to know the ones from Zimbabwe and some will tell you they are RHODESIAN and go off on one about how Mugabe and his gangsters wrecked the place without much prompting.
I know this because I met a nice South African and married her.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
Sorry to belabour the point, but crude oil is a bunch of long chain hydrocarbons of various different flavors. But those long chain hydrocarbons can be either split up or joined together.
At one extreme end of this, you have the shortest chain hydrocarbon of all (CH4, methane) being chained together to make low sulphur diesel. And at the other, you have cracking where longer chain hydrocarbons are reduced to smaller ones.
In the event fuel demand were to fall to zero*, then you would still be able to use all of the contents of the barrel of oil for chemical purposes. So, even ignoring economics, your characterization is simply wrong.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Whichever bishop it was decided not to ordain Fr Calvin in the Church of England may have had a point.
(TBH, I'm surprised that his theological college didn't manage to pray this out of him.)
Cosplay Calvin is not a CofE cleric; he’s got the theological equivalent of a mail-order degree.
Yes and no.
He was selected for training by the CofE, and trained at a CofE theological college. Towards the end of his training, his bishop looked at who he would be ordaining and said "erm, no thanks". Which is always a possibility. That's when he found a... quirkier bit of the church to ordain him.
(I've known it happen to a few people, but not normally as messily or publicly as this.)
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
I mean I am an atheist but that has to be the first time in a very long time that I have seen someone put British Christian values in opposition to inclusion and equity. What a knob.
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
As daft as it sounds, Sweden is very nice in the summer and usually gets a fair bit of sunshine.
Otherwise, one of the younger members of my team at work recently went to Albania and found the sea there quite lovely (Maldives-esque apparently). And cheap.
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
It isn't gibberish. Take away the demand for the profitable bit of every barrel of oil that pays for the vast cost of exploration and drilling and oil refineries etc etc (gas and petroluem) and turn it into an unwanted or even banned waste product then the residual uses for that barrel of oil has to pay the whole of the cost of obtaining that barrel of oil. Which makes those residual products far more expensive.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
I mean I am an atheist but that has to be the first time in a very long time that I have seen someone put British Christian values in opposition to inclusion and equity. What a knob.
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
Sorry to belabour the point, but crude oil is a bunch of long chain hydrocarbons of various different flavors. But those long chain hydrocarbons can be either split up or joined together.
At one extreme end of this, you have the shortest chain hydrocarbon of all (CH4, methane) being chained together to make low sulphur diesel. And at the other, you have cracking where longer chain hydrocarbons are reduced to smaller ones.
In the event fuel demand were to fall to zero*, then you would still be able to use all of the contents of the barrel of oil for chemical purposes. So, even ignoring economics, your characterization is simply wrong.
* Which it won't
Why then was most middle east gas flared off as a waste product from oil extraction until the LPG industry made it usable by transporting it on ships?
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
Sorry to belabour the point, but crude oil is a bunch of long chain hydrocarbons of various different flavors. But those long chain hydrocarbons can be either split up or joined together.
At one extreme end of this, you have the shortest chain hydrocarbon of all (CH4, methane) being chained together to make low sulphur diesel. And at the other, you have cracking where longer chain hydrocarbons are reduced to smaller ones.
In the event fuel demand were to fall to zero*, then you would still be able to use all of the contents of the barrel of oil for chemical purposes. So, even ignoring economics, your characterization is simply wrong.
* Which it won't
Why then was most gas flared off until the LPG industry made it usable?
Errr, because getting gas from fields to where it was used was difficult. It's a lot harder to store than a simple liquid.
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
A whole range of medicines. Lubricants, greases, coolants. Modern society simply cannot exist without petroleum products. And plastics are vital for basically the whole of modern infrastructure. Not ghe disposable bottle type stuff but basic stuff like insulation around wiring. The list of things made from petroleum products is truly terrifying in the face of idiots who want us to stop drilling for the stuff.
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
I think this nearly over. Biden will not be the nominee. I suppose that Harris is pretty nailed on to replace because out of respect for Biden they have to let her take up the reins, unless he endorses someone else? And she can beat Trump I think.
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
Fertilisers are critical for ensuring people are fed.
But if you want a different sector how about pharmaceuticals? 99% of pharmaceuticals contain petrochemicals, so shut down petrochemicals you shut down the NHS and over the counter the counter medicines too.
Hope you don't need a paracetamol or ibuprofen any time soon, let alone anything more serious.
I remember being at an oil conference about fifteen years ago, and a Canadian E&P executive stood up and said "Oil and gas are so essential for a modern economy that it makes me crazy to think that we just burn the stuff."
Yes, the move towards electric cars is going to reduce the amount of fuel we need, but given how difficult finding entirely new sources of oil is, that's rather good news. Instead of having to replace 5 million barrels a day of production each year, perhaps it's only 1 or 2 million,
Its more difficult than it was but not that difficult yet.
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
I'm sorry, but this is still utter gibberish.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
It isn't gibberish. Take away the demand for the profitable bit of every barrel of oil that pays for the vast cost of exploration and drilling and oil refineries etc etc (gas and petroluem) and turn it into an unwanted or even banned waste product then the residual uses for that barrel of oil has to pay the whole of the cost of obtaining that barrel of oil. Which makes those residual products far more expensive.
But there aren't waste products, because it's perfectly possible to convert unwanted hydrocarbons into useful ones. There's an energy cost, but it's not huge.
And most of the other uses of hydrocarbons release way more pounds per gallon than burning it does. It really is a silly, short-termist and selfish thing to do with a finite resource, and we only do it now because there are so many places where it's currently trivially cheap to pump the stuff out of the ground.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
On topic: Real wages look quite good for Biden(Harris) at the moment. Are we sure that the economics are a problem in the US as they are elsewhere? Still got a few months to go.
The numbers of jobs created under Biden have been remarkable. The Stock Exchanges are at record highs.
All Trump can do is talk down America. Because there's only one with a track record of making America great again.
The world has got much more dangerous under Biden. There were no horrible wars under Trump
Coincidence? Bad luck? Maybe. But then all the good things that happened under Biden might be down to luck and coincidence as well
Like record manufacturing investment ? That just happened all in its own, I suppose ?
I does not matter one groundhog shit what Biden has done, the electoral will mainly be focused on the future and the next four years. And they now look at him and think 'care home time'.
It is sad and politics is brutal but
Them's the breaks.
Oh, I entirely agree.
I'm talking about the Democrats' chances, on the assumption he doesn't run in November.
They have zero chance if Biden stays. They have a real chance if they move fast and replace him. Ideally they wouldn’t have put themselves in this absurd position - but then so many silly people were keen to believe the obvious lie that Biden is fine… they are idiots
This also puts paid to @HYUFD’s absurd notion that Trump wants Biden to stand down. Trump KNOWS he’s a certain winner if Biden stays
He doesn't, see the latest Emerson poll:
'Trump 46% Biden 43% 11% undecided
Vice President Kamala Harris: 49% Trump, 43% Harris, 8% undecided Senator Bernie Sanders: 48% Trump, 42% Sanders, 10% undecided California Governor Gavin Newsom: 48% Trump, 40% Newsom, 12% undecided Former Vice President Al Gore: 47% Trump, 42% Gore, 11% undecided Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 48% Trump, 41% Clinton, 11% undecided Senator Elizabeth Warren: 49% Trump, 39% Warren, 13% undecided Secretary of State Pete Buttigieg: 49% Trump, 39% Buttigieg, 12% undecided Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro: 46% Trump, 38% Shapiro, 16% undecided Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer: 48% Trump, 38% Whitmer, 15% undecided' https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-national-poll-trump-46-biden-43/
You might as well quote the polling for Someone You Know Little if Anything About (Yet) v Trump. And such polling is by and large pretty worthless.
The thing is, once that unknown person has a chance to properly define themselves in terms of the presidential office they aspire to, the polling would change in their favour. It always does in presidential contests, the potential nominee who emerges from the pack always sees a boost once they become the actual nominee.
It's essentially the same reason why sitting PMs always fare better against the LOTO in polling for "Best PM" than they do in any other comparative measure. Familiarity in the role v the unfamiliar.
It's difficult to see why anyone should be willing to vote for a Biden-Harris ticket but not for Harris, unless they think Biden will be able to serve for the full term.
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
What the….
Melanie Zanona @MZanona NEWS: Rep. Mike Quigley says he expects more Dems to come out today and publicly call for Biden to drop out of the race. Says some are waiting for NATO to end.
I think this nearly over. Biden will not be the nominee. I suppose that Harris is pretty nailed on to replace because out of respect for Biden they have to let her take up the reins, unless he endorses someone else? And she can beat Trump I think.
I'm pretty sure Harris can win. I think it's entirely possible she wins quite easily.
I think it'll be fascinating to see Trump crumble.
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
What the….
iirc 2022 was the last time Biden did a solo press conference on home soil. Just him, live, back and forth with the press for a proper Q&A - not prepared comment and then one question.
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
What the….
Melanie Zanona @MZanona NEWS: Rep. Mike Quigley says he expects more Dems to come out today and publicly call for Biden to drop out of the race. Says some are waiting for NATO to end.
Max Cohen @maxpcohen New: Dem Rep. Brad Schneider, a vice chair of New Dem Coalition, calls for Biden to withdraw from the race.
“The time has come for President Biden to heroically pass the torch to a new generation of leadership to guide us to the future he has enabled and empowered us to pursue”
Max Cohen @maxpcohen · 15m Schneider is on the leadership team for the 100-member strong New Dems and is in close contact with the most vulnerable House Dems.
This is a major sign of Biden losing support among establishment Dems
"During the meeting, the 81-year-old president responded to a question from Hawaii Gov. Josh Green about his health by stating he was fine, but he added, "it's just my brain," according to one person in the room and another familiar with the discussion.'
This is a self inflicted wound. We will have higher energy prices as a consequence.
Idiot.
Winter Blackouts in a long cold high pressure spell are already more than possible.
He needs to remember what Power Cuts did to Heaths Government.
Could you let us know what proportion of UK electricity generation is from oil?
It is not just oil but gas as well. 32% of our power generation was from gas last year.
The UK spent almost £50 billion on oil and gas imports last year. This decision will not reduce consumption by a single barrel but will just increase our balance of trade deficit and make us more reliable on imports, many from unstable places whose environmental controls are far below our own.
It will also do immense damage to our petrochemical industry. Good luck building using electric cars without hydrocarbons.
It is a fecking stupid thing to do with no redeeming factors. Virtue signalling to a suicidal level.
But the decision is not about what we do now, but about what we do some years in the future.
Yes and some years in the future we are still going to need petrochemicals, NHS medicines and everything else the industry supports.
We should be looking to end imports and the fungible profits that go to Russia and the Middle East before we look to cut our own production.
Amazing that people do not realise that a ban on using oil and gas as fuel would just result in it being burned off in flares and huge inflation in (and shortages of) the million and one other essential things made from oil as they would no longer be subsidised by profits from the petrol and gas distilled from the crude oil.
I am normally a really measured poster, but I do believe that this is the biggest load of tosh I've read on PB.
Oil and gas are going to be continued to be produced irrespective of whether there is any fuel demand for them*, because they have uses beyond fuel. (Which you get.)
But why would that make them more expensive?
You seem to be suggesting that the supply curve for oil points in a different direction to every other commodity in the world. Can I recommend this excellent piece: http://theoildrum.com/node/2899
* And of course, fuel demand will continue for 100 years anyway, but that's another story.
Are there any non fuel petroleum products which are markedly less damaging than fuel? Plastics don't have a great rep, nor fertilizers
A whole range of medicines. Lubricants, greases, coolants. Modern society simply cannot exist without petroleum products. And plastics are vital for basically the whole of modern infrastructure. Not ghe disposable bottle type stuff but basic stuff like insulation around wiring. The list of things made from petroleum products is truly terrifying in the face of idiots who want us to stop drilling for the stuff.
Also, even if it was mandated that every new vehicle sold in the world had to be electric only (which obviously is impossible), it would still take about a half century to completely eliminate demand for oil for fuel. And that's pretending that things like ships and planes don't exist.
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
I think this nearly over. Biden will not be the nominee. I suppose that Harris is pretty nailed on to replace because out of respect for Biden they have to let her take up the reins, unless he endorses someone else? And she can beat Trump I think.
I'm pretty sure Harris can win. I think it's entirely possible she wins quite easily.
I think it'll be fascinating to see Trump crumble.
For anyone who thinks that there should be a betting opportunity, because the implied probabilities are currently 45% for her candidacy but only 16% for her being elected.
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
I remember when it was a Trumpite conspiracy theory to suggest that Biden wasn't really in charge.
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0
Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.
No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.
And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.
Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?
Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.
A Chinese friend of mine tells me that the expression "Chinaman" is derogatory. Is it? If so I was unaware of it
It is
There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!
Niger is an accident waiting to happen, isn't it?
If you aren't aware it is French and has a French pronunciation, and you try to say it? You get sacked
It is a bit like the word "coloured". Seen as grossly offensive until you come across one of the millions of (Cape) coloureds from South Africa and Zimbabwe who are Coloured and proud of it and get very offended if you say they are blacks (as do some black South Africans if you say Cspe Coloureds are black (they get different and much smaller quotas for positive discrimination under black economic empowerment laws).
Get to know the ones from Zimbabwe and some will tell you they are RHODESIAN and go off on one about how Mugabe and his gangsters wrecked the place without much prompting.
I know this because I met a nice South African and married her.
Back in the 80s, 'coloured' was the polite euphemism of choice for people too squeamish to say 'black'.
NBC News confirms: The Biden campaign is quietly assessing the viability of Vice President Kamala Harris' candidacy against Donald Trump in a new head-to-head poll. @MSNBC
It's happening. All the gas lighters who said Biden simply has a stutter and don't believe our lying eyes about Joe's dementia are wrong
NBC News confirms: The Biden campaign is quietly assessing the viability of Vice President Kamala Harris' candidacy against Donald Trump in a new head-to-head poll. @MSNBC
It's happening. All the gas lighters who said Biden simply has a stutter and don't believe our lying eyes about Joe's dementia are wrong
It is an honour to be appointed Chairman of Reform UK.
Against all odds, under @Nigel_Farage leadership, our people’s movement won 4 million votes, 14% of the vote, elected 5 MPs with 98 second places.
This is just the beginning. The important work of professionalising the party, building national infrastructure and continuing to grow membership has already begun.
I will bring all my expertise, energy and passion to the role to ensure we achieve our mission of returning Great Britain to greatness.
@calvinrobinson Just when Reform started to gain momentum, Farage selects a Mohammedan to chair his party. 💷
Islam is incompatible with British values.
This is a Christian country. British values are Christian values.
Does Reform stand for Christian values or diversity, inclusion and equity?
Too racist for GB news? That's like Al Qaeda saying ISIS are too barbaric.
Calling a Muslim a Mohammedan is pretty much n word offensive.
Reminds me of 'Papist' for Catholic.
Not the same thing at all. Papist was/is a derogatory smear invented after Brexit 1.0
Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.
No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.
And that's the core point. Giving people a name that you've chosen, rather than one they have taken ownership of, is just rude.
Is it rude to say we are playing the Spanish rather than the Españols?
Better to say we're playing Spain not the Spanish.
A Chinese friend of mine tells me that the expression "Chinaman" is derogatory. Is it? If so I was unaware of it
It is
There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!
Niger is an accident waiting to happen, isn't it?
If you aren't aware it is French and has a French pronunciation, and you try to say it? You get sacked
There's a reason why I no longer use the word niggardly.
Oops.
Niggardly oops was a tradition in the East Riding town I grew up in. We would chase immigrants through the streets shouting Appen tha'll never play for Yorkshire, by 'eck.
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
There’s some lovely cities in Eastern Europe, cheap as chips to stay and enjoy life there for a few days.
Krakow Budapest Prague Bucharest Istanbul Bratislava
Bonus points for Lviv.
I think the question needs further narrowing down. It’s only a couple of steps from “I would like to go in holiday. Where would you suggest”.
Actually an interesting question would be “where is the absolutely cheapest place to go on holiday for a week in summer, factoring in travel, accommodation, cost of food and drink and activities?”
Max Cohen @maxpcohen New: Dem Rep. Brad Schneider, a vice chair of New Dem Coalition, calls for Biden to withdraw from the race.
“The time has come for President Biden to heroically pass the torch to a new generation of leadership to guide us to the future he has enabled and empowered us to pursue”
I think this nearly over. Biden will not be the nominee. I suppose that Harris is pretty nailed on to replace because out of respect for Biden they have to let her take up the reins, unless he endorses someone else? And she can beat Trump I think.
I'm pretty sure Harris can win. I think it's entirely possible she wins quite easily.
I think it'll be fascinating to see Trump crumble.
For anyone who thinks that there should be a betting opportunity, because the implied probabilities are currently 45% for her candidacy but only 16% for her being elected.
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
Federal Reserve Chair Powell was asked by a congressman yesterday when he had last been phoned or held a meeting with the President. Answer not since 2022!
I remember when it was a Trumpite conspiracy theory to suggest that Biden wasn't really in charge.
The Trumpite conspiracy theory was about someone else pulling the strings, rather than the more prosaic and accurate reality that delegation works.
PB brains trust: If I wanted to go somewhere in Europe for a week on my own, wanting some sunshine and perhaps some socialising with 25-35 year olds, for not a large sum of money, where should I go?
There’s some lovely cities in Eastern Europe, cheap as chips to stay and enjoy life there for a few days.
Krakow Budapest Prague Bucharest Istanbul Bratislava
Bonus points for Lviv.
I think the question needs further narrowing down. It’s only a couple of steps from “I would like to go in holiday. Where would you suggest”.
Actually an interesting question would be “where is the absolutely cheapest place to go on holiday for a week in summer, factoring in travel, accommodation, cost of food and drink and activities?”
I'd say Morocco. Close, poor, and good amount of shitty package holidays.
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Papist was derogatory, so not like Papist.
🔴 Trump 43% (+1)
🔵 Biden 42%
Last poll was a tie
🔴 Trump 44% (+7)
🔵 Harris 37%
https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1811073104946360663
Doctors say they're in a stable condition.
Wesleyan is widely used (including by adherents - even calling their Churches Wesleyan Chapels) and no one thinks they worship the late John Wesley.
No one thinks Lutherans worship the late Martin Luther either.
Can't say the same for Islam/Muslim .
The thing is, once that unknown person has a chance to properly define themselves in terms of the presidential office they aspire to, the polling would change in their favour. It always does in presidential contests, the potential nominee who emerges from the pack always sees a boost once they become the actual nominee.
It's essentially the same reason why sitting PMs always fare better against the LOTO in polling for "Best PM" than they do in any other comparative measure. Familiarity in the role v the unfamiliar.
Absurd but fun political melodrama, which kicks off with the attempted assassination of the S Korean President.
But there's no need for it to interfere with relations and dialogue. We all have our tics and problems; this just happens to be one of the RC ones, to me.
I spent a fortnight almost exactly here, in the Luberon, about 30 years ago. I remember it being hot and sunny but not 34 fucking degrees at half seven PM. Jeez
But then maybe I erased the bad memories
One does need to specify whether the Anglican, or Roman, or whatever other sect, is intended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPepCVepCg
The effect of a single extra bank holiday is estimated at being between 0.7% and 2% of GDP in that month, but analysis suggests that last year's coronation holiday was estimated to produce a drop of only 0.5%
Holding it after the school holidays had started would be the sensible thing to do if you're really concerned about the costs.
Catholic (without the Roman bit) includes all eastern rite Christians in communion with Rome as well as the Orthodox Church who are part of the Church with valid orders but in schism.
Fun fact. If a Catholic is somewhere with no RC Church but an Orthodox church nearby they are obliged to attend Sunday Mass at it (the Orthodox would take a dim view if they attempted to receive Communion)
In contrast the C of Es orders are deemed null and void (as post Elizabeth they basically self declared them as void making ordinations invalid), therefore such obligation dosent apply (with attendence, even at Funerals forbidden until quite recently and receiving of communion at a C of E church strictly forbidden.
The nullity bit is a bit vaguer now as a lot of "high" C of E priests and bishops got themselves ordained by Old Catholics (19th Century Schism with valid orders)
I suppose doctrinal confusion might have arisen because Christians do worship Christ.
Couldn't happen to a more self serving arrogant condescending c*** - with the possible exception of Nigel Farage..
"Spanish" is othering them and it introduces imbalance.
England v Spain ... preferable.
The English v The Spanish ... no, sounds nasty and nativist.
England v The Spanish ... no, sounds like something from Zulu, warding off the hordes, colonial overtones.
There's no way of deducing from the word itself if it is offensive or not. Niger just means black. Double the G and bam!
The gradual rampdown through market forces (as opposed to idiot ministers banning exploration) is fine at first, but becomes a major problem when profitable fuel sales decline to the point that the waste sludge left over from distilling off gas and petroleum becomes *the* product and has to shoulder the exporation and drilling costs.
A bit like branch railway lines. They were built for goods. Passenger services used them but were only viable when the goods paid for the infrastructure. When the goods went the passenger services became an economic basket case.
In this parable the Petrol/Gas is the goods traffic, the other uses for oil the passenger traffic and the oil industry the railway.
If you aren't aware it is French and has a French pronunciation, and you try to say it? You get sacked
(Though the trend is to leave people's names alone during translation; the PM of Spain is Pedro Sanchez, not Peter.)
Going back to the point, there are perfectly good names in English for followers of Islam which said followers are happy to embrace. And Mohammedan isn't one of them. Therefore using it is a dickish thing to do.
Ultimately, this is simple economics and everything else is flim flam. If there is demand for oil and gas for petrochemicals, then there will be supply. The idea that the supply will be more expensive because there is less total demand is utter rubbish. (And the idea there is cross subsidy is just insane. Why would Shell sell petrochemical products at a loss to relative to fuel.)
Get to know the ones from Zimbabwe and some will tell you they are RHODESIAN and go off on one about how Mugabe and his gangsters wrecked the place without much prompting.
I know this because I met a nice South African and married her.
But not Magaluf/Ibiza vibes.
Maybe one for @Leon
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/joe-biden-age-decline-democrats-angry/index.html
CNN: Angry and stunned Democrats blame Biden’s closest advisers for shielding public from full extent of president’s decline
At one extreme end of this, you have the shortest chain hydrocarbon of all (CH4, methane) being chained together to make low sulphur diesel. And at the other, you have cracking where longer chain hydrocarbons are reduced to smaller ones.
In the event fuel demand were to fall to zero*, then you would still be able to use all of the contents of the barrel of oil for chemical purposes. So, even ignoring economics, your characterization is simply wrong.
* Which it won't
He was selected for training by the CofE, and trained at a CofE theological college. Towards the end of his training, his bishop looked at who he would be ordaining and said "erm, no thanks". Which is always a possibility. That's when he found a... quirkier bit of the church to ordain him.
(I've known it happen to a few people, but not normally as messily or publicly as this.)
Otherwise, one of the younger members of my team at work recently went to Albania and found the sea there quite lovely (Maldives-esque apparently). And cheap.
I can understand the hesitation/paralysis.
Krakow
Budapest
Prague
Bucharest
Istanbul
Bratislava
Bonus points for Lviv.
And most of the other uses of hydrocarbons release way more pounds per gallon than burning it does. It really is a silly, short-termist and selfish thing to do with a finite resource, and we only do it now because there are so many places where it's currently trivially cheap to pump the stuff out of the ground.
Melanie Zanona
@MZanona
NEWS: Rep. Mike Quigley says he expects more Dems to come out today and publicly call for Biden to drop out of the race. Says some are waiting for NATO to end.
https://x.com/MZanona/status/1811424258444365998
I think it'll be fascinating to see Trump crumble.
https://x.com/archrose90/status/1811297492551471349?s=61
Max Cohen
@maxpcohen
New: Dem Rep. Brad Schneider, a vice chair of New Dem Coalition, calls for Biden to withdraw from the race.
“The time has come for President Biden to heroically pass the torch to a new generation of leadership to guide us to the future he has enabled and empowered us to pursue”
https://x.com/maxpcohen/status/1811472178048618740
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Schneider is on the leadership team for the 100-member strong New Dems and is in close contact with the most vulnerable House Dems.
This is a major sign of Biden losing support among establishment Dems
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-told-concerned-democratic-governors-sleep-sources/story?id=111678949
It's over.
NBC News confirms: The Biden campaign is quietly assessing the viability of Vice President Kamala Harris' candidacy against Donald Trump in a new head-to-head poll.
@MSNBC
It's happening. All the gas lighters who said Biden simply has a stutter and don't believe our lying eyes about Joe's dementia are wrong
I would add Porto, Lisbon, Thessaloniki (but it might be really hot)
I topped up.
That looks like value to me.
But not senile.
Which makes her the presumptive nominee.
Closing down ordinary peoples jobs just so he can grandstand in front of his Londony mates.
I hope his rancid cock drops off