I am really cautious about trusting the MRPs. It seems that every man and his dog is having a go this time, following YouGov's pioneering work earlier. It is possible they are all a collective delusion and the constituency-level effects will be nothing like what is, basically, educated guesswork.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives North Cornwall North Devon South Devon Torbay Yeovil Taunton & Wellington Wells & Mendip Hills West Dorset Mid Dorset & North Poole South Cotswolds North Cotswolds
Lovely fucked up Guingamp is full of angry political posters and graffiti. Most of it I can work out - eg “vous avez Zemmour, nous on l’anour”
I love the poster which has turned Nutella into Bardella - a brown paste made of shit. All of these are defaced by Le Pen supporters
But I’m completely confounded by the Breton language sign on a bridge with “Fuck BZH” scrawled all over it. BZH is short for Breizh - which is Breton for the Breton language or Brittany
So someone is saying, in English, fuck Brittany (or fuck the Breton language). This is in Brittany
Can any pb brainiac get their heads around that? Is it angry Welsh tourists disappointed that the Bretons have done so little to preserve a language similar to Welsh? That seems unlikely
It could be rival football fans coming to watch their team play Guingamp (who are second division but occasionally first division).
I guess it’s like fans going to watch their team play Chelsea writing “fuck London”. The French really like using the English “fuck” as a swear word.
Good guess. Yes could be.
Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.
I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
Lovely fucked up Guingamp is full of angry political posters and graffiti. Most of it I can work out - eg “vous avez Zemmour, nous on l’anour”
I love the poster which has turned Nutella into Bardella - a brown paste made of shit. All of these are defaced by Le Pen supporters
But I’m completely confounded by the Breton language sign on a bridge with “Fuck BZH” scrawled all over it. BZH is short for Breizh - which is Breton for the Breton language or Brittany
So someone is saying, in English, fuck Brittany (or fuck the Breton language). This is in Brittany
Can any pb brainiac get their heads around that? Is it angry Welsh tourists disappointed that the Bretons have done so little to preserve a language similar to Welsh? That seems unlikely
It could be rival football fans coming to watch their team play Guingamp (who are second division but occasionally first division).
I guess it’s like fans going to watch their team play Chelsea writing “fuck London”. The French really like using the English “fuck” as a swear word.
Good guess. Yes could be.
Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.
I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
Haven’t been there but you have inspired me to take the car over for a week or so early September for a tour of places there I haven’t been once the summer crowds bugger off. Will persuade a mate or two to join me for a little road trip punctuated by a lot of eating and drinking.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives North Cornwall North Devon South Devon Torbay Yeovil Taunton & Wellington Wells & Mendip Hills West Dorset Mid Dorset & North Poole South Cotswolds North Cotswolds
Cotswolds South is a probable, but North is a bit of a stretch.
This thread is header is pb.com at its best. Thanks to @Casino_Royale and Robert @rcs1000 this morning I came in on the sportsbook for the Cons at both 100-150 (3-1 Betfair) and 150-200 (7-1 Ladbrokes)
I reckon that’s brilliant value and if I lose because they poll under 100 seats then part of me will still be smiling. If they poll 200+ seats then just about everyone is wrong.
Lovely fucked up Guingamp is full of angry political posters and graffiti. Most of it I can work out - eg “vous avez Zemmour, nous on l’anour”
I love the poster which has turned Nutella into Bardella - a brown paste made of shit. All of these are defaced by Le Pen supporters
But I’m completely confounded by the Breton language sign on a bridge with “Fuck BZH” scrawled all over it. BZH is short for Breizh - which is Breton for the Breton language or Brittany
So someone is saying, in English, fuck Brittany (or fuck the Breton language). This is in Brittany
Can any pb brainiac get their heads around that? Is it angry Welsh tourists disappointed that the Bretons have done so little to preserve a language similar to Welsh? That seems unlikely
It could be rival football fans coming to watch their team play Guingamp (who are second division but occasionally first division).
I guess it’s like fans going to watch their team play Chelsea writing “fuck London”. The French really like using the English “fuck” as a swear word.
Good guess. Yes could be.
Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.
I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
Haven’t been there but you have inspired me to take the car over for a week or so early September for a tour of places there I haven’t been once the summer crowds bugger off. Will persuade a mate or two to join me for a little road trip punctuated by a lot of eating and drinking.
Don’t miss Ile de Sein! If you get some bad weather that’s even more reason to go - it’s just as noomy if not noomier in rain and mist
On topic - I remember every week on The Week Is Westminster for about two years before 1997 Peter Kellner would come on and downplay the likelihood of a Lab landslide. He was right according to what we knew but that didn't stop him ending up being very wrong. One of the big issues is the swing. Kellner loves that UNS and until a few years ago we all agreed. However, there is plenty of reason to suspect that is no longer so. If Kellner is right the MRPs are all going to be way off. Then a prediction of 150 seats for the Cons (the worst in history) would indeed be very sensible. The odds certainly provide value because he could be right. However, betting on the spreads is not for me this time. The Con - LD contests are just too much of a mystery on top of all the issues Kellner relates.
I have been tipping this for a while. At odds above 5 or 6-1, it's clearly value.
Took this on your recommendation last week at 8/1.
One thing worth noting is that low turnout tends to favour the Conservatives due to the differential turnout effect, which is to say that Conservative voters tend to be more motivated and consistent than Labour voters, perhaps due to their older demographic. Plenty of studies on this, blog posts and the like.
If we assume this a low turnout election, based on the current favourite band of 62.5-64.99% (with the 60.62.49 band being second favourite) then the Conservatives may well outperform polling expectations, providing justification for this being a value bet.
If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?
This thread is header is pb.com at its best. Thanks to @Casino_Royale and Robert @rcs1000 this morning I came in on the sportsbook for the Cons at both 100-150 (3-1 Betfair) and 150-200 (7-1 Ladbrokes)
I reckon that’s brilliant value and if I lose because they poll under 100 seats then part of me will still be smiling. If they poll 200+ seats then just about everyone is wrong.
It is stlll shocking. That we would be amazed by the Cons managing to get within 100 seats of retaining power. It just does not happen that way. I just hope remaining Cons will take a moment to reflect on the reasons for that. Just as Lab had to reflect after 2019.
If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?
If they're smart, how come some idiot is agitating in their favour?
If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?
If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?
They are virtue signalling
Not an awful lot of brown people in the crowd at today's nuremberg rally.
Kellner’s prediction isn’t far off mine either. Mine at the very outset actually had Cons on 204, I think. I would revise that down a little but I still don’t think it’s ELE. Small swings will have huge impacts at this stage.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives North Cornwall North Devon South Devon Torbay Yeovil Taunton & Wellington Wells & Mendip Hills West Dorset Mid Dorset & North Poole South Cotswolds North Cotswolds
Cotswolds South is a probable, but North is a bit of a stretch.
Betfair have them clear favorite now for Torbay.
Should have added in Tewkesbury. As Peter the Punter has said at 5-1 the Lib Dems were a snip. Been out in the constituency today and think the current odds are about right with Tories just about favourites. I got on at 5-1 and have a fighting chance. Spoke to a few people albeit in the Lib Dem stronghold of Cleeve. They were not complimentary about the Conservative MP - Laurence Robertson. This may be the first time he has had to do anything in the constituency apart from give a winners speech at the count. Not expecting to win £50 but my hopes are rising!!
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
Aye.
There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
Until 1974 the boundary between Bucks and Berks was the Thames, so Eton was, with Slough, in Buckinghamshire but Windsor was in Royal Berkshire. However when Berks lost the Vale of the White Horse, and the former county town of Abingdon, they got Slough as some weird compensation.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
Aye.
There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
Until 1974 the boundary between Bucks and Berks was the Thames, so Eton was, with Slough, in Buckinghamshire but Windsor was in Royal Berkshire. However when Berks lost the Vale of the White Horse, and the former county town of Abingdon, they got Slough as some weird compensation.
To make the county financially viable through the rates from the Slough Trading Estate.
If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?
Probably because there is more joy in heaven when a child of immigrants says "stop letting all these immigrants in" ...
For some reason my X now filled with Reform supporters, all of whom appear to think that a tidal wave is coming.
What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?
So, uniform and proportional swing. Each is just a model that is hard to reconcile with theories of individual decision making. Uniform swing requires us to believe that in each district, the number of voters who swing away from a party is totally independent of the number of voters for that party, but is dependent on the number of voters who swing away in every other district. Sounds implausible. But actually, so is proportional swing. As each party experiences little proportionate shocks to its support in each direction over time, it can be shown that geographic partisanship should reduce towards zero, and to do so most quickly in the most partisan districts. This doesn't happen in practice, so there must exist non-proportional shocks balancing out the proportional shocks, ending up with something like a uniform swing.
Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.
So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.
It's almost impossible to make election predictions without allowing your own biases to affect the forecasts. One way to get round the problem is to do it twice, with hopefully the first one containing the biases, and the second one more neutral.
For some reason my X now filled with Reform supporters, all of whom appear to think that a tidal wave is coming.
What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives North Cornwall North Devon South Devon Torbay Yeovil Taunton & Wellington Wells & Mendip Hills West Dorset Mid Dorset & North Poole South Cotswolds North Cotswolds
The Cotswolds aren't in the West Country. Unless your definition of West Country starts at Heathrow Airport.
"Biography: I am a thirty-five-year-old pub manager from Derby, married with 3 children. Born and bred in the East Midlands, I have worked within the pub and hospitality sector all my life."
For some reason my X now filled with Reform supporters, all of whom appear to think that a tidal wave is coming.
What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?
Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...
“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.
“As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.
So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.
Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.
So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.
Wasn’t me but I bookmarked it because it’s excellent:
"Biography: I am a thirty-five-year-old pub manager from Derby, married with 3 children. Born and bred in the East Midlands, I have worked within the pub and hospitality sector all my life."
Not surprised she wants reform if she was made to work in the pub throughout her childhood.
Could see it either way. Either the disaffected voters turning out to support RN or younger voters turning out to stop them… it’s difficult to say without more data.
If Peter Kellner is proved correct, which I very, very much doubt, he will go down as the smartest G.E. forecaster of all time. It will also mean that we will have experienced some truly weird turnout differentials between the parties since this is the only way his predictions could seemingly materialise. As I mentioned upthread, I would rather back the Tories at evens to win 50 - 99 seats than waste my money on their winning 150 - 199 seats at far greater odds. Also, I far prefer the more considered forecast also in today's Sunday Times showing the following outcome:
This looks highly credible to me and I expect every party to be between +/- 5 seats of what they ultimately achieve and Labour's overall majority to be between +/- 10 seats either way of the above forecast, i.e. 240 - 260 seats.
At this stage, I'm struggling to identify any real value in the main fixed odds or spread betting markets and punters might fare better by restricting themselves to the speciality and/or single constituency opportunities where local knowledge can be all important.
Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.
So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Bedford Has a Milton Keynes Postcode (MK) it is not in Milton Keynes.
Londonderry has a Belfast (BT) postcode. It is NEVER NEVER NEVER in Belfast.
Hang on.
There is no Bedford postcode, so that's fine.
If there are both Warwick and Coventry postcodes, and Warwick University has a Coventry one, then TSE's point stands.
So far as Warwick is concerned it is the "same" as Bedford. CV Postcode. WR is Worcester.
Londonderry does have a postcode issue. L is taken, so is D (the Unionists could have been awkward and insisted that D is freen because Splitters Central is over the border. But D is also problematic for them.
Odd that Belfast wasn't BF. Given that all the Bedford(shire) postcodes are MK4x and all the Milton Keynes postcodes are MK1x, I wonder if it was a late decision.
Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...
“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.
“As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
It will be mildly interesting to see how many votes he/Reform will get, given that he'll still be on the ballot paper. Are you paying attention, Erewash?
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
Canvassing anecdata from outer South West London (Sutton and Cheam).
Interesting area: used to be a marginal Lib Dem / Tory seat and has flipped multiple times, but since 2015 has had large Tory majorities and is a “safe” seat. The environs should be conducive to the Tories: outer London, affected by the ULEZ extension, a lot of self employed, similar in feel to places like Bexley and Sidcup that are rock solid Conservative.
I found quite a few Lib Dems and a number of tactical voters who would usually be Labour. 2 avowedly Tory households. Others who didn’t want to answer (I routinely record them as “not Lib Dem” or Conservative leaning). Nobody said they were voting Reform, but then they might well not say so to a Lib Dem canvasser.
I would say it’s 50:50 there, at least in the wards we canvassed. Certainly no sense of complete Tory collapse. By contrast next door Carshalton looks fairly comfortable for Bobby Dean.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives North Cornwall North Devon South Devon Torbay Yeovil Taunton & Wellington Wells & Mendip Hills West Dorset Mid Dorset & North Poole South Cotswolds North Cotswolds
The Cotswolds aren't in the West Country. Unless your definition of West Country starts at Heathrow Airport.
That far West? Doesn’t it start at Hogarth Roundabout, or is it Hammersmith Flyover?
Or perhaps he didn’t believe before today that his good mate Verstappen is an entitled dick ? Suspect he’ll be revising that view.
Everyone at McLaren, and perhaps Lewis for good measure, need to tell Lando that he did nothing wrong today, and that he needs to keep giving MV a taste of his own medicine until the lesson is learned.
Anyway, I’m sure 160k people at Silverstone next Sunday might also help pass the message…
Canvassing anecdata from outer South West London (Sutton and Cheam).
Interesting area: used to be a marginal Lib Dem / Tory seat and has flipped multiple times, but since 2015 has had large Tory majorities and is a “safe” seat. The environs should be conducive to the Tories: outer London, affected by the ULEZ extension, a lot of self employed, similar in feel to places like Bexley and Sidcup that are rock solid Conservative.
I found quite a few Lib Dems and a number of tactical voters who would usually be Labour. 2 avowedly Tory households. Others who didn’t want to answer (I routinely record them as “not Lib Dem” or Conservative leaning). Nobody said they were voting Reform, but then they might well not say so to a Lib Dem canvasser.
I would say it’s 50:50 there, at least in the wards we canvassed. Certainly no sense of complete Tory collapse. By contrast next door Carshalton looks fairly comfortable for Bobby Dean.
Sutton and Cheam is the "odd one out" as far as Greater London is concerned, the only seat that has moved to the Tories recently compared to 1997/2001/2005.
Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...
“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.
“As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
Maggie Throup - what a marvellously pungent name. An MP of whom I have never heard.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
Dore. Part of Derbyshire until 1934 . Roughly where my mum came from, but she was a bit further in to Sheffield.
Their "Derbyshire Well Dressing" is due on July 6, 2 days after the Election, but seems to have been cancelled.
You will have been to the Grindleford Rocks as a lad, then.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives North Cornwall North Devon South Devon Torbay Yeovil Taunton & Wellington Wells & Mendip Hills West Dorset Mid Dorset & North Poole South Cotswolds North Cotswolds
The Cotswolds aren't in the West Country. Unless your definition of West Country starts at Heathrow Airport.
That far West? Doesn’t it start at Hogarth Roundabout, or is it Hammersmith Flyover?
Shepherd's Bush is I believe the traditional line. The importance is that one should draw a line so that Harlesden belongs to Birmingham, or whoever else wants it.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
Fun fact, in Manchester, M60 is located next to M1.
Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...
“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.
“As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
It will be mildly interesting to see how many votes he/Reform will get, given that he'll still be on the ballot paper. Are you paying attention, Erewash?
Not good news for Labour if a lot of Ref voters move to the Tories.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
Fun fact, in Manchester, M60 is located next to M1.
The two biggest increases in turnout are in Paris, which should favour the Left, and Bouches de Rhone, which should favour RN.
Yes, but does it? These are constituency elections. If people are turning out who don't normally vote, then it shouldn't be assumed they are voting for the Party who usually wins. And if they are it makes bugger all difference to the results anyways.
The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
Fun fact, in Manchester, M60 is located next to M1.
Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...
“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.
“As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
It will be mildly interesting to see how many votes he/Reform will get, given that he'll still be on the ballot paper. Are you paying attention, Erewash?
Not good news for Labour if a lot of Ref voters move to the Tories.
Erewash on Bet 365 currently: 1/9 Labour, 11/2 Tory. So if you think the Reform vote will move to Tory, good odds there for a Tory win.
Or perhaps he didn’t believe before today that his good mate Verstappen is an entitled dick ? Suspect he’ll be revising that view.
Everyone at McLaren, and perhaps Lewis for good measure, need to tell Lando that he did nothing wrong today, and that he needs to keep giving MV a taste of his own medicine until the lesson is learned.
Anyway, I’m sure 160k people at Silverstone next Sunday might also help pass the message…
I had tickets for next weekend, sadly I cannot go, really gutted I am missing the opportunity to lob a bottle of piss at Max Verstappen fun.
Can we please reverse this ever increasing amount of pundits before a game all talking brain rot.
Sack the lot of them and just have big Ange explain the game.
Biggest regret about the Euros is that Klopp turned down ITV.
We really need a clear out / change of thinking, the same way as they have with the cricket. Far less on well you were a really famous player 25+ years ago, much more you are a current top level coach or recently retired player known for tactical awareness. Sky binned Botham, Holding, Gower, all legends of the game, but bugger all clue about modern cricket. Their suggestion was normally well bowl faster, bowl a load of bouncers, that what I would have done....yes but you can't more than one per over now in certain games. It like Roy Keane, doesn't even know the rules.
See hiring of Wayne Rooney...I mean come on man, nobody really believes he is a tactical genius. Great player, it is showing he is a clueless manager and piss poor communicator.
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Here's the Peter Kellner article referred to: https://archive.ph/FIWRk
I am really cautious about trusting the MRPs. It seems that every man and his dog is having a go this time, following YouGov's pioneering work earlier. It is possible they are all a collective delusion and the constituency-level effects will be nothing like what is, basically, educated guesswork.
In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’
St Ives
North Cornwall
North Devon
South Devon
Torbay
Yeovil
Taunton & Wellington
Wells & Mendip Hills
West Dorset
Mid Dorset & North Poole
South Cotswolds
North Cotswolds
Good guess. Yes could be.
Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.
I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
Betfair have them clear favorite now for Torbay.
I reckon that’s brilliant value and if I lose because they poll under 100 seats then part of me will still be smiling. If they poll 200+ seats then just about everyone is wrong.
And do Guingamp and landarneau if you can
If you keep moving in the braking zone, sooner or later you're going have an accident. Dickhead just cost Norris a win🤬
https://x.com/MattSingh_/status/1807420214293737728
Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.
I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
150 Conservative seats puts it in Ribble Valley, Lowestoft, Gillingham.
200 Conservative seats puts it in Tunbridge Wells, Thurrock and Banbury.
As others have said... Romford doesn't feel like the front line in a general election.
https://x.com/coldwarsteve/status/1807350713481068941
One thing worth noting is that low turnout tends to favour the Conservatives due to the differential turnout effect, which is to say that Conservative voters tend to be more motivated and consistent than Labour voters, perhaps due to their older demographic. Plenty of studies on this, blog posts and the like.
If we assume this a low turnout election, based on the current favourite band of 62.5-64.99% (with the 60.62.49 band being second favourite) then the Conservatives may well outperform polling expectations, providing justification for this being a value bet.
Londonderry has a Belfast (BT) postcode. It is NEVER NEVER NEVER in Belfast.
There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578
What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?
So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.
But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).
Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.
Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.
That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.
I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
NEW - Reform candidate for Erewash disowns the party over racism allegations and endorses the local Tory candidate instead.
Similarly a big chunk of London had Sheffield postcodes but only a couple of streetsigns with red S's survive. One off clapham common.
https://www.reformparty.uk/erewash-constituency
"Biography:
I am a thirty-five-year-old pub manager from Derby, married with 3 children. Born and bred in the East Midlands, I have worked within the pub and hospitality sector all my life."
Eight factions.
NEW
Candidate Defection FROM Reform to Tories...
Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...
“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.
“As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
for anyone who missed it
There is no Bedford postcode, so that's fine.
If there are both Warwick and Coventry postcodes, and Warwick University has a Coventry one, then TSE's point stands.
https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/
Also aggregated tactical voting:
https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/tactical-voting/
Nowt wrong with Coventry like
Also, I far prefer the more considered forecast also in today's Sunday Times showing the following outcome:
LABOUR: 450 seats
🔵 CONSERVATIVE: 105 seats
🟠 LIB DEM: 55 seats
🟡 SNP: 15 seats
🟤 PLAID CYMRU: 3 seats
🟣 REFORM UK: 2 seats
🟢 GREEN: 1 seat
🟥 LABOUR majority of 250
This looks highly credible to me and I expect every party to be between +/- 5 seats of what they ultimately achieve and Labour's overall majority to be between +/- 10 seats either way of the above forecast, i.e. 240 - 260 seats.
At this stage, I'm struggling to identify any real value in the main fixed odds or spread betting markets and punters might fare better by restricting themselves to the speciality and/or single constituency opportunities where local knowledge can be all important.
There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.
I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
Londonderry does have a postcode issue. L is taken, so is D (the Unionists could have been awkward and insisted that D is freen because Splitters Central is over the border. But D is also problematic for them.
Odd that Belfast wasn't BF. Given that all the Bedford(shire) postcodes are MK4x and all the Milton Keynes postcodes are MK1x, I wonder if it was a late decision.
Are you paying attention, Erewash?
Suspect he’ll be revising that view.
Interesting area: used to be a marginal Lib Dem / Tory seat and has flipped multiple times, but since 2015 has had large Tory majorities and is a “safe” seat. The environs should be conducive to the Tories: outer London, affected by the ULEZ extension, a lot of self employed, similar in feel to places like Bexley and Sidcup that are rock solid Conservative.
I found quite a few Lib Dems and a number of tactical voters who would usually be Labour. 2 avowedly Tory households. Others who didn’t want to answer (I routinely record them as “not Lib Dem” or Conservative leaning). Nobody said they were voting Reform, but then they might well not say so to a Lib Dem canvasser.
I would say it’s 50:50 there, at least in the wards we canvassed. Certainly no sense of complete Tory collapse. By contrast next door Carshalton looks fairly comfortable for Bobby Dean.
Anyway, I’m sure 160k people at Silverstone next Sunday might also help pass the message…
Their "Derbyshire Well Dressing" is due on July 6, 2 days after the Election, but seems to have been cancelled.
You will have been to the Grindleford Rocks as a lad, then.
These are constituency elections. If people are turning out who don't normally vote, then it shouldn't be assumed they are voting for the Party who usually wins.
And if they are it makes bugger all difference to the results anyways.
Sack the lot of them and just have big Ange explain the game.
opportunity to lob a bottle of piss at Max Verstappenfun.See hiring of Wayne Rooney...I mean come on man, nobody really believes he is a tactical genius. Great player, it is showing he is a clueless manager and piss poor communicator.