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If Peter Kellner is right then the back the Tories at 9s to win 150-199 seats – politicalbetting.com

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edited July 4 in General
imageIf Peter Kellner is right then the back the Tories at 9s to win 150-199 seats – politicalbetting.com

Peter Kellner’s predictions in Sunday Times https://t.co/s5cAQ6qeUc pic.twitter.com/vc8Tx5ZEtM

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  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    edited June 30
    First.

    Here's the Peter Kellner article referred to: https://archive.ph/FIWRk

    I am really cautious about trusting the MRPs. It seems that every man and his dog is having a go this time, following YouGov's pioneering work earlier. It is possible they are all a collective delusion and the constituency-level effects will be nothing like what is, basically, educated guesswork.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    He’s probably wrong. But that might still be value
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Yo
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    I have been tipping this for a while. At odds above 5 or 6-1, it's clearly value.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977
    @ChloeKeedyITV

    In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’

    St Ives
    North Cornwall
    North Devon
    South Devon
    Torbay
    Yeovil
    Taunton & Wellington
    Wells & Mendip Hills
    West Dorset
    Mid Dorset & North Poole
    South Cotswolds
    North Cotswolds
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    Lando Norris is too rash to win an F1 title.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    rcs1000 said:

    I have been tipping this for a while. At odds above 5 or 6-1, it's clearly value.

    I tipped it at 9.2 which means I win the bragging rights.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,159
    He's probably wrong but I like the bet
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    Max Verstsappen reminding me of why I think he's a [redacted] cock juggling thunder [moderated].
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Fpt for @boulay
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Do we have any experts in French politics here?

    Lovely fucked up Guingamp is full of angry political posters and graffiti. Most of it I can work out - eg “vous avez Zemmour, nous on l’anour”

    I love the poster which has turned Nutella into Bardella - a brown paste made of shit. All of these are defaced by Le Pen supporters

    But I’m completely confounded by the Breton language sign on a bridge with “Fuck BZH” scrawled all over it. BZH is short for Breizh - which is Breton for the Breton language or Brittany

    So someone is saying, in English, fuck Brittany (or fuck the Breton language). This is in Brittany

    Can any pb brainiac get their heads around that? Is it angry Welsh tourists disappointed that the Bretons have done so little to preserve a language similar to Welsh? That seems unlikely

    It could be rival football fans coming to watch their team play Guingamp (who are second division but occasionally first division).

    I guess it’s like fans going to watch their team play Chelsea writing “fuck London”. The French really like using the English “fuck” as a swear word.
    Good guess. Yes could be.

    Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.

    I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Lando Norris is too rash to win an F1 title.

    Max Verstsappen reminding me of why I think he's a [redacted] cock juggling thunder [moderated].

    I am a visionary.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    Leon said:

    Fpt for @boulay


    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Do we have any experts in French politics here?

    Lovely fucked up Guingamp is full of angry political posters and graffiti. Most of it I can work out - eg “vous avez Zemmour, nous on l’anour”

    I love the poster which has turned Nutella into Bardella - a brown paste made of shit. All of these are defaced by Le Pen supporters

    But I’m completely confounded by the Breton language sign on a bridge with “Fuck BZH” scrawled all over it. BZH is short for Breizh - which is Breton for the Breton language or Brittany

    So someone is saying, in English, fuck Brittany (or fuck the Breton language). This is in Brittany

    Can any pb brainiac get their heads around that? Is it angry Welsh tourists disappointed that the Bretons have done so little to preserve a language similar to Welsh? That seems unlikely

    It could be rival football fans coming to watch their team play Guingamp (who are second division but occasionally first division).

    I guess it’s like fans going to watch their team play Chelsea writing “fuck London”. The French really like using the English “fuck” as a swear word.
    Good guess. Yes could be.

    Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.

    I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
    Haven’t been there but you have inspired me to take the car over for a week or so early September for a tour of places there I haven’t been once the summer crowds bugger off. Will persuade a mate or two to join me for a little road trip punctuated by a lot of eating and drinking.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    Scott_xP said:

    @ChloeKeedyITV

    In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’

    St Ives
    North Cornwall
    North Devon
    South Devon
    Torbay
    Yeovil
    Taunton & Wellington
    Wells & Mendip Hills
    West Dorset
    Mid Dorset & North Poole
    South Cotswolds
    North Cotswolds

    Cotswolds South is a probable, but North is a bit of a stretch.

    Betfair have them clear favorite now for Torbay.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Fpt for @boulay


    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Do we have any experts in French politics here?

    Lovely fucked up Guingamp is full of angry political posters and graffiti. Most of it I can work out - eg “vous avez Zemmour, nous on l’anour”

    I love the poster which has turned Nutella into Bardella - a brown paste made of shit. All of these are defaced by Le Pen supporters

    But I’m completely confounded by the Breton language sign on a bridge with “Fuck BZH” scrawled all over it. BZH is short for Breizh - which is Breton for the Breton language or Brittany

    So someone is saying, in English, fuck Brittany (or fuck the Breton language). This is in Brittany

    Can any pb brainiac get their heads around that? Is it angry Welsh tourists disappointed that the Bretons have done so little to preserve a language similar to Welsh? That seems unlikely

    It could be rival football fans coming to watch their team play Guingamp (who are second division but occasionally first division).

    I guess it’s like fans going to watch their team play Chelsea writing “fuck London”. The French really like using the English “fuck” as a swear word.
    Good guess. Yes could be.

    Have you been here? It’s tremendously pretty. I’m going to pitch a gazette travel piece on “forgotten Brittany” as there seem to be quite a few towns like this, lovely but lost in the Breton countryside.

    I probably won’t mention the kids jacking up skag and the streets which were faintly menacing even on a Sunday afternoon
    Haven’t been there but you have inspired me to take the car over for a week or so early September for a tour of places there I haven’t been once the summer crowds bugger off. Will persuade a mate or two to join me for a little road trip punctuated by a lot of eating and drinking.
    Don’t miss Ile de Sein! If you get some bad weather that’s even more reason to go - it’s just as noomy if not noomier in rain and mist

    And do Guingamp and landarneau if you can
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    My fellow polling guru agrees with me.

    If you keep moving in the braking zone, sooner or later you're going have an accident. Dickhead just cost Norris a win🤬

    https://x.com/MattSingh_/status/1807420214293737728
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,571
    So who bet on George Russell?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Lando Norris is too rash to win an F1 title.

    Max Verstsappen reminding me of why I think he's a [redacted] cock juggling thunder [moderated].

    I am a visionary.
    Think the Lando-Max bromance might be over though.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    Kellner is slightly underestimating the Reform share imo.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,159
    Russell was 780-1 at one point to win that lol
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,159
    Sandpit said:

    So who bet on George Russell?

    £11 in play at 1.33, but no not at long odds lol
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    edited June 30
    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    edited June 30
    100 Conservative seats puts the front line in places like Huntingdon, Romford and Poole.

    150 Conservative seats puts it in Ribble Valley, Lowestoft, Gillingham.

    200 Conservative seats puts it in Tunbridge Wells, Thurrock and Banbury.

    As others have said... Romford doesn't feel like the front line in a general election.
  • On topic - I remember every week on The Week Is Westminster for about two years before 1997 Peter Kellner would come on and downplay the likelihood of a Lab landslide. He was right according to what we knew but that didn't stop him ending up being very wrong. One of the big issues is the swing. Kellner loves that UNS and until a few years ago we all agreed. However, there is plenty of reason to suspect that is no longer so. If Kellner is right the MRPs are all going to be way off. Then a prediction of 150 seats for the Cons (the worst in history) would indeed be very sensible. The odds certainly provide value because he could be right. However, betting on the spreads is not for me this time. The Con - LD contests are just too much of a mystery on top of all the issues Kellner relates.
  • Good news. No need for analysis of the reasons for the likely GE result. ColdWarSteve has summed it up (NSFW).

    https://x.com/coldwarsteve/status/1807350713481068941
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,937
    rcs1000 said:

    I have been tipping this for a while. At odds above 5 or 6-1, it's clearly value.

    Took this on your recommendation last week at 8/1.

    One thing worth noting is that low turnout tends to favour the Conservatives due to the differential turnout effect, which is to say that Conservative voters tend to be more motivated and consistent than Labour voters, perhaps due to their older demographic. Plenty of studies on this, blog posts and the like.

    If we assume this a low turnout election, based on the current favourite band of 62.5-64.99% (with the 60.62.49 band being second favourite) then the Conservatives may well outperform polling expectations, providing justification for this being a value bet.
  • If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?
  • Good news. No need for analysis of the reasons for the likely GE result. ColdWarSteve has summed it up (NSFW).

    https://x.com/coldwarsteve/status/1807350713481068941

    Best poster of the election by far
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,159

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    It's not "halfway to Leamington" either as HYUFD comically claimed on the previous thread. Just outside Kenilworth, yes. Leamington no lol
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,577

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
  • Heathener said:

    This thread is header is pb.com at its best. Thanks to @Casino_Royale and Robert @rcs1000 this morning I came in on the sportsbook for the Cons at both 100-150 (3-1 Betfair) and 150-200 (7-1 Ladbrokes)

    I reckon that’s brilliant value and if I lose because they poll under 100 seats then part of me will still be smiling. If they poll 200+ seats then just about everyone is wrong.

    It is stlll shocking. That we would be amazed by the Cons managing to get within 100 seats of retaining power. It just does not happen that way. I just hope remaining Cons will take a moment to reflect on the reasons for that. Just as Lab had to reflect after 2019.
  • The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Bedford Has a Milton Keynes Postcode (MK) it is not in Milton Keynes.

    Londonderry has a Belfast (BT) postcode. It is NEVER NEVER NEVER in Belfast.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
    Aye.

    There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,651

    If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?

    If they're smart, how come some idiot is agitating in their favour?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Does Peter Kellner have a good prediction track record?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Does Peter Kellner have a good prediction track record?

    Like most us, he's had some good ones and some bad ones, but mostly good ones.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?

    They are virtue signalling :wink:
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,937
    Ghedebrav said:

    If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?

    They are virtue signalling :wink:
    Not an awful lot of brown people in the crowd at today's nuremberg rally.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Kellner’s prediction isn’t far off mine either. Mine at the very outset actually had Cons on 204, I think. I would revise that down a little but I still don’t think it’s ELE. Small swings will have huge impacts at this stage.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,058

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Bedford Has a Milton Keynes Postcode (MK) it is not in Milton Keynes.

    Londonderry has a Belfast (BT) postcode. It is NEVER NEVER NEVER in Belfast.

    All of Northern Ireland has a BT post code. The first two digits denote the location of the main sorting office (think hub-and-spoke)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399

    Does Peter Kellner have a good prediction track record?

    Like most us, he's had some good ones and some bad ones, but mostly good ones.
    I recall he's had some stinkers.
  • madmacsmadmacs Posts: 92

    Scott_xP said:

    @ChloeKeedyITV

    In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’

    St Ives
    North Cornwall
    North Devon
    South Devon
    Torbay
    Yeovil
    Taunton & Wellington
    Wells & Mendip Hills
    West Dorset
    Mid Dorset & North Poole
    South Cotswolds
    North Cotswolds

    Cotswolds South is a probable, but North is a bit of a stretch.

    Betfair have them clear favorite now for Torbay.
    Should have added in Tewkesbury. As Peter the Punter has said at 5-1 the Lib Dems were a snip. Been out in the constituency today and think the current odds are about right with Tories just about favourites. I got on at 5-1 and have a fighting chance. Spoke to a few people albeit in the Lib Dem stronghold of Cleeve. They were not complimentary about the Conservative MP - Laurence Robertson. This may be the first time he has had to do anything in the constituency apart from give a winners speech at the count. Not expecting to win £50 but my hopes are rising!!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,058

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
    Aye.

    There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
    Windsor is not in Slough. They are two different towns.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 30
    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,077

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
    Aye.

    There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
    Until 1974 the boundary between Bucks and Berks was the Thames, so Eton was, with Slough, in Buckinghamshire but Windsor was in Royal Berkshire. However when Berks lost the Vale of the White Horse, and the former county town of Abingdon, they got Slough as some weird compensation.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    edited June 30

    Does Peter Kellner have a good prediction track record?

    Like most us, he's had some good ones and some bad ones, but mostly good ones.
    I recall he's had some stinkers.
    His biggest mistake IIRC was claiming that Remain would definitely win the referendum shortly after the polling stations closed.
  • Cicero said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Similarly Windsor Castle is in Slough?
    Aye.

    There's a reason why Eton is called Slough comprehensive.
    Until 1974 the boundary between Bucks and Berks was the Thames, so Eton was, with Slough, in Buckinghamshire but Windsor was in Royal Berkshire. However when Berks lost the Vale of the White Horse, and the former county town of Abingdon, they got Slough as some weird compensation.
    To make the county financially viable through the rates from the Slough Trading Estate.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399
    Andy_JS said:

    Does Peter Kellner have a good prediction track record?

    Like most us, he's had some good ones and some bad ones, but mostly good ones.
    I recall he's had some stinkers.
    His biggest mistake IIRC was claiming that Remain would definitely win the referendum shortly after the polls closed.
    If it's not Curtice I'm not interested.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,743

    If Reform hate brown people and Muslims how come multimillionaire Muslim entrepreneur Zia Yousuf has both donated to Reform and is being cheered to the rafters by the audience after speaking as a star speaker at the biggest rally Reform have ever held?

    Probably because there is more joy in heaven when a child of immigrants says "stop letting all these immigrants in" ...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,568

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Any idea which parties that helps?
  • carnforth said:

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Any idea which parties that helps?
    If the Brexit referendum is anything to go by, National Rally
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,077
    carnforth said:

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Any idea which parties that helps?
    Might not be good news for Le Pen.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    For some reason my X now filled with Reform supporters, all of whom appear to think that a tidal wave is coming.

    What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,399

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Worth adding: French election.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,651
    So, uniform and proportional swing. Each is just a model that is hard to reconcile with theories of individual decision making. Uniform swing requires us to believe that in each district, the number of voters who swing away from a party is totally independent of the number of voters for that party, but is dependent on the number of voters who swing away in every other district. Sounds implausible. But actually, so is proportional swing. As each party experiences little proportionate shocks to its support in each direction over time, it can be shown that geographic partisanship should reduce towards zero, and to do so most quickly in the most partisan districts. This doesn't happen in practice, so there must exist non-proportional shocks balancing out the proportional shocks, ending up with something like a uniform swing.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,366
    Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.

    So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    It's almost impossible to make election predictions without allowing your own biases to affect the forecasts. One way to get round the problem is to do it twice, with hopefully the first one containing the biases, and the second one more neutral.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,795
    Tempted to buy Tory seats at 118. Seems a safer bet than a particular band of seats when the polling is so uncertain.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977

    For some reason my X now filled with Reform supporters, all of whom appear to think that a tidal wave is coming.

    What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?

    How many factions will they split into?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,114
    edited June 30

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    Scott_xP said:

    @ChloeKeedyITV

    In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’

    St Ives
    North Cornwall
    North Devon
    South Devon
    Torbay
    Yeovil
    Taunton & Wellington
    Wells & Mendip Hills
    West Dorset
    Mid Dorset & North Poole
    South Cotswolds
    North Cotswolds

    The Cotswolds aren't in the West Country. Unless your definition of West Country starts at Heathrow Airport.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977
    @robpowellnews

    NEW - Reform candidate for Erewash disowns the party over racism allegations and endorses the local Tory candidate instead.
  • A big chunk of London had a Newcastle (NE) postcode and numerous streetsignsn with Newcastle postcodes survived.

    Similarly a big chunk of London had Sheffield postcodes but only a couple of streetsigns with red S's survive. One off clapham common.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    Scott_xP said:

    @robpowellnews

    NEW - Reform candidate for Erewash disowns the party over racism allegations and endorses the local Tory candidate instead.

    Probably younger than most Reform candidates.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/erewash-constituency

    "Biography:
    I am a thirty-five-year-old pub manager from Derby, married with 3 children. Born and bred in the East Midlands, I have worked within the pub and hospitality sector all my life."
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207
    Scott_xP said:

    For some reason my X now filled with Reform supporters, all of whom appear to think that a tidal wave is coming.

    What's going to happen if they win, say, 6 seats - a monumental achievement in its own right but not enough to influence anything in particular? Will Farage really buckle down?

    How many factions will they split into?
    Six MPs?

    Eight factions.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977
    @NatashaC
    NEW

    Candidate Defection FROM Reform to Tories...

    Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...

    “Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.

    “As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.

    So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.

    https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/

    for anyone who missed it
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Bedford Has a Milton Keynes Postcode (MK) it is not in Milton Keynes.

    Londonderry has a Belfast (BT) postcode. It is NEVER NEVER NEVER in Belfast.

    Hang on.

    There is no Bedford postcode, so that's fine.

    If there are both Warwick and Coventry postcodes, and Warwick University has a Coventry one, then TSE's point stands.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.

    So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.

    Wasn’t me but I bookmarked it because it’s excellent:

    https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/

    Also aggregated tactical voting:

    https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/tactical-voting/
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    As someone born and raised in the West Midlands I can confirm that Warwick Uni is in fact in Coventry.

    Nowt wrong with Coventry like
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,808
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @robpowellnews

    NEW - Reform candidate for Erewash disowns the party over racism allegations and endorses the local Tory candidate instead.

    Probably younger than most Reform candidates.

    https://www.reformparty.uk/erewash-constituency

    "Biography:
    I am a thirty-five-year-old pub manager from Derby, married with 3 children. Born and bred in the East Midlands, I have worked within the pub and hospitality sector all my life."
    Not surprised she wants reform if she was made to work in the pub throughout her childhood.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,812
    carnforth said:

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Any idea which parties that helps?
    Could see it either way. Either the disaffected voters turning out to support RN or younger voters turning out to stop them… it’s difficult to say without more data.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    If Peter Kellner is proved correct, which I very, very much doubt, he will go down as the smartest G.E. forecaster of all time. It will also mean that we will have experienced some truly weird turnout differentials between the parties since this is the only way his predictions could seemingly materialise. As I mentioned upthread, I would rather back the Tories at evens to win 50 - 99 seats than waste my money on their winning 150 - 199 seats at far greater odds.
    Also, I far prefer the more considered forecast also in today's Sunday Times showing the following outcome:

    LABOUR: 450 seats
    🔵 CONSERVATIVE: 105 seats
    🟠 LIB DEM: 55 seats
    🟡 SNP: 15 seats
    🟤 PLAID CYMRU: 3 seats
    🟣 REFORM UK: 2 seats
    🟢 GREEN: 1 seat

    🟥 LABOUR majority of 250

    This looks highly credible to me and I expect every party to be between +/- 5 seats of what they ultimately achieve and Labour's overall majority to be between +/- 10 seats either way of the above forecast, i.e. 240 - 260 seats.

    At this stage, I'm struggling to identify any real value in the main fixed odds or spread betting markets and punters might fare better by restricting themselves to the speciality and/or single constituency opportunities where local knowledge can be all important.

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,366

    Somebody posted a really helpful aggregation of all the MRPs thus far a couple of days ago. There were 12 of these, and the Labour seat count ranged from 407 to 516. The Tory seat count ranged from 53 to 155, though the second highest was down at 118.

    So Kellner is suggesting that all 12 are over-estimating Labour, and all but one are under-estimating the Tories, in most cases significantly so. I'm not betting on that.

    https://inglesp.github.io/apogee/

    for anyone who missed it
    Thanks - that's the one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    edited June 30
    rcs1000 said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Bedford Has a Milton Keynes Postcode (MK) it is not in Milton Keynes.

    Londonderry has a Belfast (BT) postcode. It is NEVER NEVER NEVER in Belfast.

    Hang on.

    There is no Bedford postcode, so that's fine.

    If there are both Warwick and Coventry postcodes, and Warwick University has a Coventry one, then TSE's point stands.
    So far as Warwick is concerned it is the "same" as Bedford. CV Postcode. WR is Worcester.

    Londonderry does have a postcode issue. L is taken, so is D (the Unionists could have been awkward and insisted that D is freen because Splitters Central is over the border. But D is also problematic for them.

    Odd that Belfast wasn't BF. Given that all the Bedford(shire) postcodes are MK4x and all the Milton Keynes postcodes are MK1x, I wonder if it was a late decision.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,366
    Scott_xP said:

    @NatashaC
    NEW

    Candidate Defection FROM Reform to Tories...

    Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...

    “Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.

    “As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”

    It will be mildly interesting to see how many votes he/Reform will get, given that he'll still be on the ballot paper.
    Are you paying attention, Erewash?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,342
    Cicero said:

    carnforth said:

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Any idea which parties that helps?
    Might not be good news for Le Pen.
    The two biggest increases in turnout are in Paris, which should favour the Left, and Bouches de Rhone, which should favour RN.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    edited June 30

    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
    As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,030

    Lando Norris is too rash to win an F1 title.

    Or perhaps he didn’t believe before today that his good mate Verstappen is an entitled dick ?
    Suspect he’ll be revising that view.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,747

    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
    And we've never had a header about shovels!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,983
    edited June 30
    Canvassing anecdata from outer South West London (Sutton and Cheam).

    Interesting area: used to be a marginal Lib Dem / Tory seat and has flipped multiple times, but since 2015 has had large Tory majorities and is a “safe” seat. The environs should be conducive to the Tories: outer London, affected by the ULEZ extension, a lot of self employed, similar in feel to places like Bexley and Sidcup that are rock solid Conservative.

    I found quite a few Lib Dems and a number of tactical voters who would usually be Labour. 2 avowedly Tory households. Others who didn’t want to answer (I routinely record them as “not Lib Dem” or Conservative leaning). Nobody said they were voting Reform, but then they might well not say so to a Lib Dem canvasser.

    I would say it’s 50:50 there, at least in the wards we canvassed. Certainly no sense of complete Tory collapse. By contrast next door Carshalton looks fairly comfortable for Bobby Dean.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    England playing on ITV, should we be worried?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    England playing on ITV, should we be worried?

    No.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    England playing on ITV, should we be worried?

    Yes because Gordon and Palmer are not starting.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,571
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ChloeKeedyITV

    In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’

    St Ives
    North Cornwall
    North Devon
    South Devon
    Torbay
    Yeovil
    Taunton & Wellington
    Wells & Mendip Hills
    West Dorset
    Mid Dorset & North Poole
    South Cotswolds
    North Cotswolds

    The Cotswolds aren't in the West Country. Unless your definition of West Country starts at Heathrow Airport.
    That far West? Doesn’t it start at Hogarth Roundabout, or is it Hammersmith Flyover?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,571
    Nigelb said:

    Lando Norris is too rash to win an F1 title.

    Or perhaps he didn’t believe before today that his good mate Verstappen is an entitled dick ?
    Suspect he’ll be revising that view.
    Everyone at McLaren, and perhaps Lewis for good measure, need to tell Lando that he did nothing wrong today, and that he needs to keep giving MV a taste of his own medicine until the lesson is learned.

    Anyway, I’m sure 160k people at Silverstone next Sunday might also help pass the message…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540
    TimS said:

    Canvassing anecdata from outer South West London (Sutton and Cheam).

    Interesting area: used to be a marginal Lib Dem / Tory seat and has flipped multiple times, but since 2015 has had large Tory majorities and is a “safe” seat. The environs should be conducive to the Tories: outer London, affected by the ULEZ extension, a lot of self employed, similar in feel to places like Bexley and Sidcup that are rock solid Conservative.

    I found quite a few Lib Dems and a number of tactical voters who would usually be Labour. 2 avowedly Tory households. Others who didn’t want to answer (I routinely record them as “not Lib Dem” or Conservative leaning). Nobody said they were voting Reform, but then they might well not say so to a Lib Dem canvasser.

    I would say it’s 50:50 there, at least in the wards we canvassed. Certainly no sense of complete Tory collapse. By contrast next door Carshalton looks fairly comfortable for Bobby Dean.

    Sutton and Cheam is the "odd one out" as far as Greater London is concerned, the only seat that has moved to the Tories recently compared to 1997/2001/2005.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,114
    edited June 30
    Scott_xP said:

    @NatashaC
    NEW

    Candidate Defection FROM Reform to Tories...

    Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...

    “Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.

    “As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”

    Maggie Throup - what a marvellously pungent name. An MP of whom I have never heard.

    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
    Dore. Part of Derbyshire until 1934 :smile: . Roughly where my mum came from, but she was a bit further in to Sheffield.

    Their "Derbyshire Well Dressing" is due on July 6, 2 days after the Election, but seems to have been cancelled.

    You will have been to the Grindleford Rocks as a lad, then.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,747
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ChloeKeedyITV

    In an i/v with my colleague @CaronBellITV, Ed Davey confirmed he’s expanded his list of potentially winnable seats in the West Country as ‘people who were thinking of voting Labour are coming back to us because they know the Libs are the only party that can beat Conservatives’

    St Ives
    North Cornwall
    North Devon
    South Devon
    Torbay
    Yeovil
    Taunton & Wellington
    Wells & Mendip Hills
    West Dorset
    Mid Dorset & North Poole
    South Cotswolds
    North Cotswolds

    The Cotswolds aren't in the West Country. Unless your definition of West Country starts at Heathrow Airport.
    That far West? Doesn’t it start at Hogarth Roundabout, or is it Hammersmith Flyover?
    Shepherd's Bush is I believe the traditional line. The importance is that one should draw a line so that Harlesden belongs to Birmingham, or whoever else wants it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
    As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
    Fun fact, in Manchester, M60 is located next to M1.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,540

    Scott_xP said:

    @NatashaC
    NEW

    Candidate Defection FROM Reform to Tories...

    Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...

    “Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.

    “As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”

    It will be mildly interesting to see how many votes he/Reform will get, given that he'll still be on the ballot paper.
    Are you paying attention, Erewash?
    Not good news for Labour if a lot of Ref voters move to the Tories.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,571

    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
    As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
    Fun fact, in Manchester, M60 is located next to M1.
    M60 goes all the way around Manchester!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Sean_F said:

    Cicero said:

    carnforth said:

    Turnout has so far been higher than expected and seems to be bucking the trend of recent years.

    By midday, it was 26% - the highest in more than 40 years.
    https://x.com/mathieugallard/status/1807353872031117578

    Any idea which parties that helps?
    Might not be good news for Le Pen.
    The two biggest increases in turnout are in Paris, which should favour the Left, and Bouches de Rhone, which should favour RN.
    Yes, but does it?
    These are constituency elections. If people are turning out who don't normally vote, then it shouldn't be assumed they are voting for the Party who usually wins.
    And if they are it makes bugger all difference to the results anyways.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 30
    Can we please reverse this ever increasing amount of pundits before a game all talking brain rot.

    Sack the lot of them and just have big Ange explain the game.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    Can we please reverse this ever increasing amount of pundits before a game all talking brain rot.

    Sack the lot of them and just have big Ange explain the game.

    Biggest regret about the Euros is that Klopp turned down ITV.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,362
    edited June 30

    MattW said:

    The final word on Warwick University being in Coventry.

    Warwick University has a CV4 postcode, it is in Coventry.

    I will not entertain any further discussions on this topic.

    Excellent header, @TSE ,and I'm on it from this morning. Thank-you.

    But this - THIS - is the most vapid BILGE I have EVER seen on PB, excepting only the occasional Emanation of Leon (generations 1 to the current gen 18 model).

    Much of Derbyshire has a Sheffield Postcode, including swathes of the Peak District (the Derbyshire County Council offices and Chatsworth House *just* escaped), most of Bolsover Constituency, Chesterfield Crooked Spire Church and Hardwick Hall. Notts is more fortunate, but not my much. I'm lucky I don't have a Sheffield Post Code myself; the bloody things only stop about 3 miles away - and Sheffield is 30 miles.

    Meanwhile, if I have it right your bit of Sheffield spends its energy maintaining a Derbyshire identity.

    That's the problem with Socialist Republics; they always want everybody else's territory, and no one ever likes it.

    I say no more, and I stop just short of the obvious analogy.
    The S postcode also covers Nottinghamshire.

    There was plans for a Greater Sheffield super mayoral with all of those areas.

    I am from Dore, we are pure bred Yorkshire.
    As against all this, the point was the university is in CV4. The number matters because the rule is to number outwards from the city centre. I would expect CV4 to be part of Coventry, CV34 not so much
    Fun fact, in Manchester, M60 is located next to M1.
    The M60 has junctions to the M1 (postcode) ....
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,366
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @NatashaC
    NEW

    Candidate Defection FROM Reform to Tories...

    Reform candidate in Erewash Liam Booth-Isherwood says...

    “Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash, the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with.

    “As a result, I am announcing my endorsement of the Conservative Party candidate, Maggie Throup, for Erewash. Only she can stop Labour.”

    It will be mildly interesting to see how many votes he/Reform will get, given that he'll still be on the ballot paper.
    Are you paying attention, Erewash?
    Not good news for Labour if a lot of Ref voters move to the Tories.
    Erewash on Bet 365 currently: 1/9 Labour, 11/2 Tory. So if you think the Reform vote will move to Tory, good odds there for a Tory win.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    edited June 30
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lando Norris is too rash to win an F1 title.

    Or perhaps he didn’t believe before today that his good mate Verstappen is an entitled dick ?
    Suspect he’ll be revising that view.
    Everyone at McLaren, and perhaps Lewis for good measure, need to tell Lando that he did nothing wrong today, and that he needs to keep giving MV a taste of his own medicine until the lesson is learned.

    Anyway, I’m sure 160k people at Silverstone next Sunday might also help pass the message…
    I had tickets for next weekend, sadly I cannot go, really gutted I am missing the opportunity to lob a bottle of piss at Max Verstappen fun.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 30

    Can we please reverse this ever increasing amount of pundits before a game all talking brain rot.

    Sack the lot of them and just have big Ange explain the game.

    Biggest regret about the Euros is that Klopp turned down ITV.
    We really need a clear out / change of thinking, the same way as they have with the cricket. Far less on well you were a really famous player 25+ years ago, much more you are a current top level coach or recently retired player known for tactical awareness. Sky binned Botham, Holding, Gower, all legends of the game, but bugger all clue about modern cricket. Their suggestion was normally well bowl faster, bowl a load of bouncers, that what I would have done....yes but you can't more than one per over now in certain games. It like Roy Keane, doesn't even know the rules.

    See hiring of Wayne Rooney...I mean come on man, nobody really believes he is a tactical genius. Great player, it is showing he is a clueless manager and piss poor communicator.
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