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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    German investigators are sceptical of claims that Russian naval ships sabotaged the Nord Stream gas pipelines and are instead pursuing leads that point to the Ukrainian authorities, according to a report.

    Three of the four strands of the pipelines, built to transport Russian gas to Germany on the bed of the Baltic Sea, were knocked out by underwater explosions last September, effectively severing the main energy link between the two countries.

    The perpetrator has not yet been identified despite three separate national investigations carried out by Germany, Sweden and Denmark.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-blew-up-nord-stream-2-pipeline-german-fbi-2023-95d58fgkv
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    German investigators are sceptical of claims that Russian naval ships sabotaged the Nord Stream gas pipelines and are instead pursuing leads that point to the Ukrainian authorities, according to a report.

    Three of the four strands of the pipelines, built to transport Russian gas to Germany on the bed of the Baltic Sea, were knocked out by underwater explosions last September, effectively severing the main energy link between the two countries.

    The perpetrator has not yet been identified despite three separate national investigations carried out by Germany, Sweden and Denmark.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-blew-up-nord-stream-2-pipeline-german-fbi-2023-95d58fgkv

    Crikey. So it WASN’T the Russians???
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2: you don't know the tough life til your upstairs neighbour staggers into your flat bleeding from a stab wound!

    Cyclefree: you don't know the tough life til you encounter the wrong type of English visitor whilst visiting Tuscany from England.

    Hell comes in many flavours.

    I have lived a varied life.

    Shall I tell you about the time a burglar broke into the house I was living in in Brixton and came into my bedroom clutching my bread knife while I was in it alone?

    I loathe the Toynbees of this world. They seem very accurately described by Martin Amis here -

    "What we eventually run up against are the forces of humourlessness, and let me assure you that the humourless as a bunch don't just not know what's funny, they don't know what's serious. They have no common sense, either, and shouldn't be trusted with anything."
    Amis could have been describing himself.
    Come come. Amis was undeniably funny

    I once had sex with a girl who was at the same time having sex with Martin Amis (not literally a “Nick palmer in Zurich” situation but you know what I mean - she was liberal with her charms)

    She said he was unsatisfyingly tiny in height but genuinely hilarious
    Younger Kingsley was a great writer. Lucky Jim was genius, and incredibly accurate, although he became a curmudgeon in later life.

    I know it bad form to speak ill of the recently departed, but Martin was just a shock jock. I can't imagine anyone so tedious. Oh wait, yes I can...
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless
  • AlistairM said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cav to retire. The greatest of them all at his particular niche of sport.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65665546

    I hope he can get one TdF stage win this Summer. I don't think he will, unfortunately.
    Personally, I suspect he will. Experience is worth a lot in sprinting, motivation is worth a fair bit too, and he took one in the Giro just last year and won the Tour points race as recently as 2021 so isn't miles off the pace by any means. He'll be competitive in a few stages anyway.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Interviewer: "That's a Yes or No question"
    Braverman: "........................................................................................................................................................"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Pagan2: you don't know the tough life til your upstairs neighbour staggers into your flat bleeding from a stab wound!

    Cyclefree: you don't know the tough life til you encounter the wrong type of English visitor whilst visiting Tuscany from England.

    Hell comes in many flavours.

    I have lived a varied life.

    Shall I tell you about the time a burglar broke into the house I was living in in Brixton and came into my bedroom clutching my bread knife while I was in it alone?

    I loathe the Toynbees of this world. They seem very accurately described by Martin Amis here -

    "What we eventually run up against are the forces of humourlessness, and let me assure you that the humourless as a bunch don't just not know what's funny, they don't know what's serious. They have no common sense, either, and shouldn't be trusted with anything."
    Amis could have been describing himself.
    Come come. Amis was undeniably funny

    I once had sex with a girl who was at the same time having sex with Martin Amis (not literally a “Nick palmer in Zurich” situation but you know what I mean - she was liberal with her charms)

    She said he was unsatisfyingly tiny in height but genuinely hilarious
    Younger Kingsley was a great writer. Lucky Jim was genius, and incredibly accurate, although he became a curmudgeon in later life.

    I know it bad form to speak ill of the recently departed, but Martin was just a shock jock. I can't imagine anyone so tedious. Oh wait, yes I can...
    Who?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,081
    AlistairM said:

    Russia has had one day to crow about Bakhmut and then...

    By nightfall the Free russia Legion will have taken more territory than Wagner in the last 3 months.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1660643051331543040

    Fog of war and all that - but it appears to be the case that Russia has expended 100,000 men in order to capture Bakhmut, only to get immediately surrounded there, presumably at the costs of tens of thousands more.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    edited May 2023
    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Cookie said:

    AlistairM said:

    Russia has had one day to crow about Bakhmut and then...

    By nightfall the Free russia Legion will have taken more territory than Wagner in the last 3 months.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1660643051331543040

    Fog of war and all that - but it appears to be the case that Russia has expended 100,000 men in order to capture Bakhmut, only to get immediately surrounded there, presumably at the costs of tens of thousands more.

    Correction: only to get the Wagner Group surrounded there.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Leon said:

    German investigators are sceptical of claims that Russian naval ships sabotaged the Nord Stream gas pipelines and are instead pursuing leads that point to the Ukrainian authorities, according to a report.

    Three of the four strands of the pipelines, built to transport Russian gas to Germany on the bed of the Baltic Sea, were knocked out by underwater explosions last September, effectively severing the main energy link between the two countries.

    The perpetrator has not yet been identified despite three separate national investigations carried out by Germany, Sweden and Denmark.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-blew-up-nord-stream-2-pipeline-german-fbi-2023-95d58fgkv

    Crikey. So it WASN’T the Russians???
    Would you like me edit your comment to change the word "Russians" to "Americans"?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    Sandpit said:

    .deleted

    Come back and argue. Stop hiding behind deleted. Let’s have honest and real debate.

    https://americanminipigassociation.com/uncategorized/teacup-micro-pigs-what-are-they-and-where-can-i-get-one/


  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    Cookie said:

    AlistairM said:

    Russia has had one day to crow about Bakhmut and then...

    By nightfall the Free russia Legion will have taken more territory than Wagner in the last 3 months.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1660643051331543040

    Fog of war and all that - but it appears to be the case that Russia has expended 100,000 men in order to capture Bakhmut, only to get immediately surrounded there, presumably at the costs of tens of thousands more.

    This is a reference to something weird going on near Belgorod.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    edited May 2023
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
    Toynbee, seems largely inoffensive. She is a social commentator who may or may not know what she is talking about. I don't know and her social commentary doesn't really float my boat.

    Littlejohn on the other hand strikes me as very much the unpleasant opinionated c*ck!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    edited May 2023
    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,081

    AlistairM said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Cav to retire. The greatest of them all at his particular niche of sport.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/65665546

    I hope he can get one TdF stage win this Summer. I don't think he will, unfortunately.
    Personally, I suspect he will. Experience is worth a lot in sprinting, motivation is worth a fair bit too, and he took one in the Giro just last year and won the Tour points race as recently as 2021 so isn't miles off the pace by any means. He'll be competitive in a few stages anyway.
    He needs to sort out his sprint team - Gleb Syritsa and Cees Bol are not delivering at the moment.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
    Toynbee, seems largely inoffensive. She is a social commentator who may or may not know what she is talking about. I don't know and her social commentary doesn't really float my boat.

    Littlejohn on the other hand strikes me as very much the unpleasant opinionated c*ck!
    It's not surprising if Toynbee is inoffensive to people with left-wing opinions. A bit like saying Douglas Murray is inoffensive to right-wingers.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Eabhal said:

    Cookie said:

    AlistairM said:

    Russia has had one day to crow about Bakhmut and then...

    By nightfall the Free russia Legion will have taken more territory than Wagner in the last 3 months.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1660643051331543040

    Fog of war and all that - but it appears to be the case that Russia has expended 100,000 men in order to capture Bakhmut, only to get immediately surrounded there, presumably at the costs of tens of thousands more.

    This is a reference to something weird going on near Belgorod.
    Eabhal said:

    Cookie said:

    AlistairM said:

    Russia has had one day to crow about Bakhmut and then...

    By nightfall the Free russia Legion will have taken more territory than Wagner in the last 3 months.

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1660643051331543040

    Fog of war and all that - but it appears to be the case that Russia has expended 100,000 men in order to capture Bakhmut, only to get immediately surrounded there, presumably at the costs of tens of thousands more.

    This is a reference to something weird going on near Belgorod.
    Here's the story:

    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-defectors-freedom-russia-legion-ukraine-belgorod-war-1801786
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    Farooq said:

    Sandpit said:

    .deleted

    Come back and argue. Stop hiding behind deleted. Let’s have honest and real debate.

    https://americanminipigassociation.com/uncategorized/teacup-micro-pigs-what-are-they-and-where-can-i-get-one/


    bacon
    And you as always are a silly sausage.

    I don’t think I have ever agreed with one of your posts. How can you always be so wrong, Farooq?
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    I guess LTNs and rage about not being able to drive wherever you like at whatever speed you like at all times are pretty much all the Tories have in London.

    Sad really, especially when Khan is hardly a charismatic powerhouse - he ought to be there for the taking.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    At the same time Buzzfeed and Vice are going down the pan.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    To a rough but decent approximation, only a few groups of people still vote Conservative in London;

    People on the fringes, who aggressively put Essex/Kent/Surrey on their address,
    Taxi drivers,
    Erm..,
    That's about it.

    Given unhappiness about ULEZ expansion and LTNs in various boroughs, becoming a Drivers' Rights Party is probably as good a strategy as any for London Conservatives. It loses, but shores up some sort of vote for them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
    Rogerdamus strikes again 😂😂😂😂
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
    Toynbee, seems largely inoffensive. She is a social commentator who may or may not know what she is talking about. I don't know and her social commentary doesn't really float my boat.

    Littlejohn on the other hand strikes me as very much the unpleasant opinionated c*ck!
    It's not surprising if Toynbee is inoffensive to people with left-wing opinions. A bit like saying Douglas Murray is inoffensive to right-wingers.
    I'm not sure I've ever heard even Toynbee's detractors call her offensive. I just find her writing kind of bland and repetitive, always preaching to the choir rather than saying something surprising or counterintuitive or even insightful. It's not that I disagree with what she's saying most of the time. In fact I usually don't disagree with any of it. I just don't feel that I gain anything from reading her pieces. But I've not read anything of hers in years.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
  • Ghedebrav said:

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    I guess LTNs and rage about not being able to drive wherever you like at whatever speed you like at all times are pretty much all the Tories have in London.

    Sad really, especially when Khan is hardly a charismatic powerhouse - he ought to be there for the taking.
    Not really in a Labour-leaning city with the Tories polling badly nationally.

    Khan might well be vulnerable in 2028 under a Labour Government, as he's not a great candidate as you say, but it's shore up the core vote time for the Tories next May.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    At the same time Buzzfeed and Vice are going down the pan.
    Vice has a lot of content infrastructure that is salvageable, and their is still equity in the Vice brand for whoever ends up picking it up. Buzzfeed I'm less sure of - they never really made the transition away from novelty lists and quizzes to being serious media.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Ghedebrav said:

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    I guess LTNs and rage about not being able to drive wherever you like at whatever speed you like at all times are pretty much all the Tories have in London.

    Sad really, especially when Khan is hardly a charismatic powerhouse - he ought to be there for the taking.
    I fear that comment with earn you The Wrath of Khan from Sadiq Khan.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    edited May 2023
    Headlines you never thought you'd see (but always fantasised about) -
    Escaped water buffalo herd wreck Essex swimming pool (with video!):
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-essex-65674881
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,081

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    Not actually as stupid as it sounds.

    All other things being equal, signal controlled junctions work better when the signals aren't working. Far less tarmac is wasted.

    Less ideal however for:
    - pedestrians
    - crap drivers
    - those joining from obviously minor arms where those on the major arm overlook the need to treat all arms equally.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 720
    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Doha is fucked with air pollution, traffic and chavs with money. I don't know why anybody would live here unless they were a chav with no money before they arrived.

    The Lusail track days are insane though. More like full on GT3 races where it's impossible to get black flagged.

    I could definitely be a travel writer.

    #genxfacebook

    Is the infrastructure there as improved as they said it was for the World Cup? I’m thinking about heading there for the F1 in October.
    Doha is excellent outside of the central/older areas. Stay in West Bay or The Pearl .....or Lusail itself (although a bit lifeless)

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    To be fair they just host it but don't claim any other rights.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
    Toynbee, seems largely inoffensive. She is a social commentator who may or may not know what she is talking about. I don't know and her social commentary doesn't really float my boat.

    Littlejohn on the other hand strikes me as very much the unpleasant opinionated c*ck!
    It's not surprising if Toynbee is inoffensive to people with left-wing opinions. A bit like saying Douglas Murray is inoffensive to right-wingers.
    I'm not sure I've ever heard even Toynbee's detractors call her offensive. I just find her writing kind of bland and repetitive, always preaching to the choir rather than saying something surprising or counterintuitive or even insightful. It's not that I disagree with what she's saying most of the time. In fact I usually don't disagree with any of it. I just don't feel that I gain anything from reading her pieces. But I've not read anything of hers in years.
    She was once useful to read: as a barometer of centre left opinion. Whatever she said was a reliable indicator of what the mainstream Labour Party believed - from about 1987 to 2005

    Now she is sadly useless for that purpose. Long since superseded. Given that she is neither witty or insightful in any other way I struggle to see how the guardian justifies her alleged six figure salary

    But there are, of course, similar writers on all
    major papers. Perhaps their totally boring dependability is a consolation to older readers, and without her they fear they might lose 5000 loyal subscribers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Shit. I’m in Cairo
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468
    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    Probably a bigger issue for creative jobs than AI.

    Plenty of us are more than happy to generate content for the joy of saying stuff.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    edited May 2023

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    As someone campaigning for more active travel (the silver bullet to all of the UK's long-term issues), I'm grateful that all the COVID/5G/Soros types have chosen LTNs and cycle lanes as their next grand conspiracy :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    They made a number of incredibly smart decisions:

    (1) They moved advertising from targeting of specific demographics, to them around them optimizing around conversions. You literally tell Google "I want to sell auto insurance", and this is my conversion event, and you go into their bid funnel. And because they own search and video and even login authorization and payments, they know if things are working.

    (2) They invested very heavily in YouTube for SmartTVs. YouTube accounts for almost a quarter of viewing on new Samsung TVs.

    Joe Schmo can get YouTube anywhere. He doesn't get overloaded with adverts. And it will always find something interesting for him to watch.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    They made a number of incredibly smart decisions:

    (1) They moved advertising from targeting of specific demographics, to them around them optimizing around conversions. You literally tell Google "I want to sell auto insurance", and this is my conversion event, and you go into their bid funnel. And because they own search and video and even login authorization and payments, they know if things are working.

    (2) They invested very heavily in YouTube for SmartTVs. YouTube accounts for almost a quarter of viewing on new Samsung TVs.

    Joe Schmo can get YouTube anywhere. He doesn't get overloaded with adverts. And it will always find something interesting for him to watch.
    The biggest revelation for me a few years ago was seeing how YouTube content had taken over from traditional childrens' TV.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    They made a number of incredibly smart decisions:

    (1) They moved advertising from targeting of specific demographics, to them around them optimizing around conversions. You literally tell Google "I want to sell auto insurance", and this is my conversion event, and you go into their bid funnel. And because they own search and video and even login authorization and payments, they know if things are working.

    (2) They invested very heavily in YouTube for SmartTVs. YouTube accounts for almost a quarter of viewing on new Samsung TVs.

    Joe Schmo can get YouTube anywhere. He doesn't get overloaded with adverts. And it will always find something interesting for him to watch.
    And no adblock on TV
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    I dropped a holiday idea cos of this too.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947
    edited May 2023
    Eabhal said:

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    I dropped a holiday idea cos of this too.
    So many bloody hours planning the routes on greenways, booking hotels and b&bs, etc, etc. I want to cry.

    Back to the drawing board. There must be alternatives. We have done several from Portsmouth but that is when cycling in Normandy or Brittany. These trips were further south so relying on TGVs. I could do train and ferry from Dover and then train I guess.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,691
    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    Buy a cardboard box from any cycle shop & bring a few tools?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    They made a number of incredibly smart decisions:

    (1) They moved advertising from targeting of specific demographics, to them around them optimizing around conversions. You literally tell Google "I want to sell auto insurance", and this is my conversion event, and you go into their bid funnel. And because they own search and video and even login authorization and payments, they know if things are working.

    (2) They invested very heavily in YouTube for SmartTVs. YouTube accounts for almost a quarter of viewing on new Samsung TVs.

    Joe Schmo can get YouTube anywhere. He doesn't get overloaded with adverts. And it will always find something interesting for him to watch.
    The biggest revelation for me a few years ago was seeing how YouTube content had taken over from traditional childrens' TV.
    Any parent who let's their child watch YouTube unsupervised is mad, IMHO.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    HYUFD said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    Poor, poor Polly Toynbee. She can't even find one working class ancestor but nonetheless she still sympathises desperately with their troubles while writing her Guardian column from her posh property to be read by other upper middle class left liberals, though of course the working classes suffered terrible false conciousness in backing Brexit
    https://twitter.com/alysdenby/status/1660564871610527744?s=20

    Polly Toynbee is why I was a Tory for so long.
    I don’t believe I’ve ever read an interesting Polly Toynbee piece. I believe she was considered influential back in the early 90s…
    It’s worth reading that article for the sheer Toynbee-ness of it all. Her sad desperate yet failed search for at least one working class relative (a story I don’t believe btw, everyone has working class relatives no more than 2 or 3 generations away or removed - she just didn’t want to find them)

    True story: a few years ago she bought a house near a friend of mine for a cool £5m cash
    I’ve never understood poshos like Toynbee who are desperate to be working class.

    What is wrong with these people?
    It’s a truly weird and toxic mixture of snobbery and guilt. Toynbee is a proper snob. It oozes from every syllable of that article. She sneers. She can’t help it. She enjoys being posh so she can look down on almost everyone

    Yet at the same time I am sure she genuinely feels guilt at her privilege and has a sincere desire to help others - especially those “less fortunate”

    So you end up with weird and awkward contortions like that essay

    Is she worse or better than an outright snob like Alan Clark? I honestly dunno. He was funny. But a nasty snob. She’s not funny. But she’s probably done more for poor people while inwardly sneering at them and trying not to smell them
    Alan Clark was ultimately harmless (aside from to his immediate family). His diaries remain quite fascinating, and they are truly wonderfully edited - Ion Trewin really does give the whole of the man, his insecurities and frequent wrongness about things. Clark was an excellent and very funny writer, quite snobbish but also an inveterate romantic whose main goal was to give narrative justification for the events in his life.

    Only Chris Mullin has come close to him, I think.
    Alan Clark had a classic putdown of Michael Heseltine, though an extremely snobbish one. He said Heseltine 'was the type of man who has to buy his own furniture'.

    He was also quite snobbish about William Hague too, Hague's father owned a small drinks factory, recounting one conversation with his fellow OE Nicholas Soames in which he said of the comprehensive educated Hague ' I mean the man looks like a golf ball'. He quite liked Blair though, apart from on Kosovo (Blair sent him a note after his illness was diagnosed) and was a big Princess Diana fan and worshipped Thatcher, though that was not fully reciprocated as The Lady never made him a senior Minister
    Clarke himself though, was a poor man's idea of a how a rich man should behave.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    That is really weird. I genuinely can't understand that. I can't be some obscure rule about transit of assembled bikes either cos you can get on a ferry with one.

    If it was 'we don't have space' or something, I'd still be annoyed but at least there'd be some logic to it.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    HYUFD said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    Poor, poor Polly Toynbee. She can't even find one working class ancestor but nonetheless she still sympathises desperately with their troubles while writing her Guardian column from her posh property to be read by other upper middle class left liberals, though of course the working classes suffered terrible false conciousness in backing Brexit
    https://twitter.com/alysdenby/status/1660564871610527744?s=20

    Polly Toynbee is why I was a Tory for so long.
    I don’t believe I’ve ever read an interesting Polly Toynbee piece. I believe she was considered influential back in the early 90s…
    It’s worth reading that article for the sheer Toynbee-ness of it all. Her sad desperate yet failed search for at least one working class relative (a story I don’t believe btw, everyone has working class relatives no more than 2 or 3 generations away or removed - she just didn’t want to find them)

    True story: a few years ago she bought a house near a friend of mine for a cool £5m cash
    I’ve never understood poshos like Toynbee who are desperate to be working class.

    What is wrong with these people?
    It’s a truly weird and toxic mixture of snobbery and guilt. Toynbee is a proper snob. It oozes from every syllable of that article. She sneers. She can’t help it. She enjoys being posh so she can look down on almost everyone

    Yet at the same time I am sure she genuinely feels guilt at her privilege and has a sincere desire to help others - especially those “less fortunate”

    So you end up with weird and awkward contortions like that essay

    Is she worse or better than an outright snob like Alan Clark? I honestly dunno. He was funny. But a nasty snob. She’s not funny. But she’s probably done more for poor people while inwardly sneering at them and trying not to smell them
    Alan Clark was ultimately harmless (aside from to his immediate family). His diaries remain quite fascinating, and they are truly wonderfully edited - Ion Trewin really does give the whole of the man, his insecurities and frequent wrongness about things. Clark was an excellent and very funny writer, quite snobbish but also an inveterate romantic whose main goal was to give narrative justification for the events in his life.

    Only Chris Mullin has come close to him, I think.
    Alan Clark had a classic putdown of Michael Heseltine, though an extremely snobbish one. He said Heseltine 'was the type of man who has to buy his own furniture'.

    He was also quite snobbish about William Hague too and his father who owned a small drinks factory, recounting one conversation with Nicholas Soames in which he said ' I mean the man looks like a golf ball'
    I always thought that comment about Heseltine reflected worse on Clark than on Hezza. Snobbery is a very unpleasant, destructive and ultimately boring British disease.
    People of old money, who are comfortable in themselves, are not usually snobs. It's the nouveaux riches who are more likely to put people down.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,691

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    Buy a cardboard box from any cycle shop & bring a few tools?
    The ferry is always an option. There is a good ride to Paris from Calais if you can spare 1/2 days.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Eabhal said:

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    I dropped a holiday idea cos of this too.
    I sympathise (genuinely) with all this, but it does seem to me to be an awful lot of arse-ache which has been deliberately thrown up by both sides during an acrimonious divorce

    How can a bike on the Eurostar possibly threaten the Single Market?

    It’s like a separating couple deciding to cut their heritage vinyl edition of Sgt Pepper in two so that neither side can enjoy it but both theoretically get an equal share
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328
    How many organisations is it now?

    Parliament
    The Met
    Other police forces
    The London Fire Brigade
    Other fire brigades
    The Army
    The Navy
    The TSSA union
    The NHS

    And now - the Methodists: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/methodist-church-not-seen-as-safe-for-women-leaked-report-finds-qrc0jzz22

    If only there were politicians who took this seriously. If only .....
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Poshness of newspapers - their writers and hacks - by order of descent. From posh to prole


    Guardian (Observer)
    Telegraph
    Times
    FT
    Mail
    Sun
    Mirror
    Express
    Indy
    Star

    I have a very good friend who used to be the Sun's racing correspondent. I think he'd rate it as more posh than the Mall.
    Yes, quite possibly. After the top 3 or 4 my ranking is less certain

    Interesting but little known fact: British tabloids are starting to make SERIOUS money online through YouTube etc
    Google's advertising revenues, of which YouTube is the biggest part, bring in a billion dollars in revenue, EVERY 30 HOURS OR SO.

    They do the same every day that Twitter does in a quarter.
    AFAICT YouTube's revenue was just shy of $30b last year. A lot to be sure, but a long way off a billion clams every 30 hours. I would be amazed to learn that they make more from YT than they do from search.

    Tangentially, YT is probably the better bet for the future, given how vulnerable search is to emerging tech.
    $240bn is all advertising revenues.

    But the YouTube figure on its own understates its revenues, because some of the most profitable line-items (such as UAC) are multi-channel.
    I do like how they've cleverly sidestepped the profitability issue that Netflix and Disney+ face by getting other people to make content for them basically for free (or a tiny sliver of their revenue).
    They made a number of incredibly smart decisions:

    (1) They moved advertising from targeting of specific demographics, to them around them optimizing around conversions. You literally tell Google "I want to sell auto insurance", and this is my conversion event, and you go into their bid funnel. And because they own search and video and even login authorization and payments, they know if things are working.

    (2) They invested very heavily in YouTube for SmartTVs. YouTube accounts for almost a quarter of viewing on new Samsung TVs.

    Joe Schmo can get YouTube anywhere. He doesn't get overloaded with adverts. And it will always find something interesting for him to watch.
    The biggest revelation for me a few years ago was seeing how YouTube content had taken over from traditional childrens' TV.
    I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's taken over, but it's absolutely in the prime mix.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    @BestForBritain
    1m
    Suella Braverman in the Commons refusing to answer Qs and says reason Labour are asking them is to distract from *her brilliant record* and the fact that Labour love "foreign criminals", "pedophiles and murderers" and "their total abandonment of British people". Wow. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1660661972474515459
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain
    1m
    Suella Braverman in the Commons refusing to answer Qs and says reason Labour are asking them is to distract from *her brilliant record* and the fact that Labour love "foreign criminals", "pedophiles and murderers" and "their total abandonment of British people". Wow. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1660661972474515459

    I’m old enough to remember “hug a hoodie”

    How low the Tory party have sunk.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    Regarding Polly, the Right needs to start specifying where she's factually or morally wrong. 'How dare she criticize Boris when she's so posh' isn't much of a call to arms.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain
    1m
    Suella Braverman in the Commons refusing to answer Qs and says reason Labour are asking them is to distract from *her brilliant record* and the fact that Labour love "foreign criminals", "pedophiles and murderers" and "their total abandonment of British people". Wow. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1660661972474515459

    She is an embarassment (and once again is railing against her own ineffectiveness), but the tweet is a bit misleading.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,509
    Farooq said:

    I for one am looking forward to this by-election, if it happens. To see @bigjohnowls cheering on the SNP and @malcolmg cheering on Labour will give warm and fuzzy feelings all over.

    I would not piss on Labour even if they were ablaze
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    Andy_JS said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Toynbee is someone who offers so little yet has made a career writing opinion pieces and getting talking head slots on TV.

    I’m no fan of Richard littlejohn but that time on QT where he asked her if she worried about climate change when flying to her Italian Villa and her inept response was priceless

    Pople who start a sentence by saying they're 'not a fan of' usually go on to show that they are a fan of as you have just done.
    Toynbee, seems largely inoffensive. She is a social commentator who may or may not know what she is talking about. I don't know and her social commentary doesn't really float my boat.

    Littlejohn on the other hand strikes me as very much the unpleasant opinionated c*ck!
    It's not surprising if Toynbee is inoffensive to people with left-wing opinions. A bit like saying Douglas Murray is inoffensive to right-wingers.
    It's nothing like that.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Cyclefree said:

    I used to enjoy viciously teasing Polly on CIF years ago.

    She is the sort of English person who ruins Tuscany, especially in summer. Mind you the Tuscans are not much trusted by other Italians - so they probably deserve having ghastly English people who think they're posh but really really are not inflicted on them.

    Umbria is far nicer

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,509

    The funniest outcome would be the recall petition not making 10% (which on bare precedent is a one in three chance).. One could hardly blame the poor, abused Scottish voter for having stopped giving a feck.

    That would be justice, she has been hard done by , given Sturgeon , plastic paddy etc who all broke rules but got let away with it.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,337
    edited May 2023
    Ghedebrav said:

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    That is really weird. I genuinely can't understand that. I can't be some obscure rule about transit of assembled bikes either cos you can get on a ferry with one.

    If it was 'we don't have space' or something, I'd still be annoyed but at least there'd be some logic to it.
    Man in Seat 61 says the boxed option involves turning up a little early & that Eurostar provides the box. You only need a minimal number of tools (pedal spanner, a couple of hex keys) to take the front wheel off, loosen the handlebars & take the pedals off. It’s a pain compared to being able to just wheel the bike onto the platform, but still sounds doable?

    https://www.seat61.com/bike-by-train.htm
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Regarding Polly, the Right needs to start specifying where she's factually or morally wrong. 'How dare she criticize Boris when she's so posh' isn't much of a call to arms.

    The discussion is more about her obvious discomfort in her own skin, like Laura Trevelyan.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,916
    Ghedebrav said:

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    That is really weird. I genuinely can't understand that. I can't be some obscure rule about transit of assembled bikes either cos you can get on a ferry with one.

    If it was 'we don't have space' or something, I'd still be annoyed but at least there'd be some logic to it.
    I do wonder whether Eurostar have ever wanted the hassle of carrying bicycles and Brexit is simply a handy smokescreen for a decision that has been taken for other reasons. They say Brexit in one sentence and security in the other, which is a bit weird.

    If they simply said they weren't allowing them anymore then the cycling lobby would be on to them pretty sharpish. Say "Brexit" and instead everyone says either, "bloody Brexit," or, "bloody French," and leaves them alone.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177

    Regarding Polly, the Right needs to start specifying where she's factually or morally wrong. 'How dare she criticize Boris when she's so posh' isn't much of a call to arms.

    It’s the combination of her claiming to have the best interests of a section of society at heart, while despising and sneering at them.

    Sanders Of The River with chavs instead of African gentlemen with bones through their noses.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    Cyclefree said:

    How many organisations is it now?

    Parliament
    The Met
    Other police forces
    The London Fire Brigade
    Other fire brigades
    The Army
    The Navy
    The TSSA union
    The NHS

    And now - the Methodists: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/methodist-church-not-seen-as-safe-for-women-leaked-report-finds-qrc0jzz22

    If only there were politicians who took this seriously. If only .....

    Do you have a list of the organisations safe for women? I think it will be a much shorter list.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    Cookie said:

    WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCKING FUCK?

    Even worse with Braverman on the roads.

    Red traffic lights in London could be switched off from 10pm until 7am if Sadiq Khan is sacked as Mayor

    Tory hopeful Dan Korski today vowed to impose a radical shake-up of London roads


    https://twitter.com/hoffman_noa/status/1660642057554108417

    Not actually as stupid as it sounds.

    All other things being equal, signal controlled junctions work better when the signals aren't working. Far less tarmac is wasted.

    Less ideal however for:
    - pedestrians
    - crap drivers
    - those joining from obviously minor arms where those on the major arm overlook the need to treat all arms equally.
    Sounds like the start of an arms race 🫣
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Welcome, my friends, to the Diplomat Suite at the Four Seasons Cairo

    They have inscribed my name in chocolate hieroglyphs on a special chocolate obelisk



    They have built me a tray of sweetmeats made like the pyramids



    And from my Nile side balcony I can see…



  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Ghedebrav said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    Poor, poor Polly Toynbee. She can't even find one working class ancestor but nonetheless she still sympathises desperately with their troubles while writing her Guardian column from her posh property to be read by other upper middle class left liberals, though of course the working classes suffered terrible false conciousness in backing Brexit
    https://twitter.com/alysdenby/status/1660564871610527744?s=20

    Polly Toynbee is why I was a Tory for so long.
    I don’t believe I’ve ever read an interesting Polly Toynbee piece. I believe she was considered influential back in the early 90s…
    It’s worth reading that article for the sheer Toynbee-ness of it all. Her sad desperate yet failed search for at least one working class relative (a story I don’t believe btw, everyone has working class relatives no more than 2 or 3 generations away or removed - she just didn’t want to find them)

    True story: a few years ago she bought a house near a friend of mine for a cool £5m cash
    I’ve never understood poshos like Toynbee who are desperate to be working class.

    What is wrong with these people?
    It’s a truly weird and toxic mixture of snobbery and guilt. Toynbee is a proper snob. It oozes from every syllable of that article. She sneers. She can’t help it. She enjoys being posh so she can look down on almost everyone

    Yet at the same time I am sure she genuinely feels guilt at her privilege and has a sincere desire to help others - especially those “less fortunate”

    So you end up with weird and awkward contortions like that essay

    Is she worse or better than an outright snob like Alan Clark? I honestly dunno. He was funny. But a nasty snob. She’s not funny. But she’s probably done more for poor people while inwardly sneering at them and trying not to smell them
    Alan Clark was ultimately harmless (aside from to his immediate family). His diaries remain quite fascinating, and they are truly wonderfully edited - Ion Trewin really does give the whole of the man, his insecurities and frequent wrongness about things. Clark was an excellent and very funny writer, quite snobbish but also an inveterate romantic whose main goal was to give narrative justification for the events in his life.

    Only Chris Mullin has come close to him, I think.
    Alan Clark had a classic putdown of Michael Heseltine, though an extremely snobbish one. He said Heseltine 'was the type of man who has to buy his own furniture'.

    He was also quite snobbish about William Hague too and his father who owned a small drinks factory, recounting one conversation with Nicholas Soames in which he said ' I mean the man looks like a golf ball'
    He had a nerve saying that about Heseltine, given his own family background.
    He didn't say it - he reported someone else saying it.
    Michael Jopling?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    I see that on Hertsmere Council, Labour's NEC has made it absolutely plain that Labour councillors are not go into coalition with the Lib Dems.

    That leaves open the possibility that the Conservatives will remain as a minority administration.

    I note that some Labour councillors are threatening to sit as independents.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,337

    Ghedebrav said:

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    That is really weird. I genuinely can't understand that. I can't be some obscure rule about transit of assembled bikes either cos you can get on a ferry with one.

    If it was 'we don't have space' or something, I'd still be annoyed but at least there'd be some logic to it.
    I do wonder whether Eurostar have ever wanted the hassle of carrying bicycles and Brexit is simply a handy smokescreen for a decision that has been taken for other reasons. They say Brexit in one sentence and security in the other, which is a bit weird.

    If they simply said they weren't allowing them anymore then the cycling lobby would be on to them pretty sharpish. Say "Brexit" and instead everyone says either, "bloody Brexit," or, "bloody French," and leaves them alone.
    You get the distinct impression from UK railways that they absolutely hate cyclists & wish we would all die in a fire.

    Going to Denmark where everyone just wheels their bikes straight onto the commuter trains which have swathes of space without seats for this purpose was something of a culture shock!

    NB. Cycling UK has some channel hopping suggestions here if Eurostar ends up being impossible @LostPassword : https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/eurostar-re-opens-cycle-carriage-service
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Regarding Polly, the Right needs to start specifying where she's factually or morally wrong. 'How dare she criticize Boris when she's so posh' isn't much of a call to arms.

    It’s the combination of her claiming to have the best interests of a section of society at heart, while despising and sneering at them.

    Sanders Of The River with chavs instead of African gentlemen with bones through their noses.
    If I'd inherited a vast fortune, from some aristocrat, my attitude would be "God has given us the Papacy. Let us enjoy it."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    Farooq said:

    I for one am looking forward to this by-election, if it happens. To see @bigjohnowls cheering on the SNP and @malcolmg cheering on Labour will give warm and fuzzy feelings all over.

    @malcolmg has many virtues, not the least of which is brevity, but amongst that long list is not found the words "cheer", "warm", nor "fuzzy"... :smiley:
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,870
    edited May 2023

    Ghedebrav said:

    kjh said:

    Bloody Brexit.

    I have spent weeks planning 2 cycle rides in France on the basis that I take the Eurostar and catch a train then from Paris as I have done before to my start point with an assembled bike (not boxed). Consequently I didn't bother with the Eurostar bit until the end. And as I finalise weeks of work I read this from Eurostar:

    "Border restrictions following Brexit have added to the complications for the international train service which have prevented the carriage of non-boxed bikes. Currently fully assembled bikes cannot be carried on Eurostar for security reasons, however the train operator is looking to find a solution which will allow their carriage again."

    Bloody, bloody, bloody Brexit.

    What security reasons, that a boxed bike can't also have?

    That is really weird. I genuinely can't understand that. I can't be some obscure rule about transit of assembled bikes either cos you can get on a ferry with one.

    If it was 'we don't have space' or something, I'd still be annoyed but at least there'd be some logic to it.
    I do wonder whether Eurostar have ever wanted the hassle of carrying bicycles and Brexit is simply a handy smokescreen for a decision that has been taken for other reasons. They say Brexit in one sentence and security in the other, which is a bit weird.

    If they simply said they weren't allowing them anymore then the cycling lobby would be on to them pretty sharpish. Say "Brexit" and instead everyone says either, "bloody Brexit," or, "bloody French," and leaves them alone.
    There's a detailed discussion here:

    https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/eurostar-re-opens-cycle-carriage-service

    Apparently you can now do it to Paris, but not yet other destinations as of Feb 2023.

    It says it stopped due to coronavirus, and when it restarted, the rules were different. It says the situation is due to improve soon.

    It also mentions Brexit in passing, though with no extra details. Clear as mud.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    Leon said:

    Welcome, my friends, to the Diplomat Suite at the Four Seasons Cairo

    They have inscribed my name in chocolate hieroglyphs on a special chocolate obelisk



    If only you were employed by a magazine that focused on the crafting of obelisk-shaped objects... :smiley:

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,916
    Incidentally, any idea what is going on in Belgorod Oblast today?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    slade said:

    There is another by-election pending - for a hereditary Lib Dem in the House of Lords. There are 3 candidates - Lord Belhaven, Earl Lloyd George, and Earl Russell. So 2 descendants of Liberal Prime ministers and one who isn't.

    How big is the electorate this time?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,888

    Regarding Polly, the Right needs to start specifying where she's factually or morally wrong. 'How dare she criticize Boris when she's so posh' isn't much of a call to arms.

    I agree. But there is a general issue hovering around all this. There is a sort of mental split between two groups. There are those who expect that the personal lives of those who have and express (and make money from) strong convictions should match those opinions.

    The other view is that expressed opinion and personal action have no such relation.

    On issues like wealth, educational privilege and nepotism the first group look at some elites with more than a little cynicism.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    Leon said:

    Welcome, my friends, to the Diplomat Suite at the Four Seasons Cairo

    They have inscribed my name in chocolate hieroglyphs on a special chocolate obelisk



    They have built me a tray of sweetmeats made like the pyramids



    And from my Nile side balcony I can see…



    And you've brought one of your flint phalluses with you too. Ahh!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    edited May 2023

    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.

    To continue what is a bad day at the top of Labour, also from Sky news, this financial and communication mess up was also quickly picked up by PB in the last thread

    Senior Labour frontbencher under fire for business class flight to New York
    Suella Braverman is not the only senior MP under fire today.
    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been criticised for taking a business class flight to New York where she is set to meet businesses, before travelling to Washington DC for meetings and a speech tomorrow.
    Yesterday evening, she posted a tweet with a photo of herself on the plane before take-off from Heathrow, but eagle-eyed users spotted her seat number on her boarding pass.
    She was sitting in seat number 3K, which is a business class seat with a lie-flat bed, according to online seat maps.
    However, the tweet was deleted when users began pointing out her front-of-the-plane accommodation. The tweet was subsequently re-posted with the information blurred out, but that was also later deleted.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,721
    malcolmg said:

    The funniest outcome would be the recall petition not making 10% (which on bare precedent is a one in three chance).. One could hardly blame the poor, abused Scottish voter for having stopped giving a feck.

    That would be justice, she has been hard done by , given Sturgeon , plastic paddy etc who all broke rules but got let away with it.
    So far , Malc, so far.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    Incidentally, any idea what is going on in Belgorod Oblast today?

    Russia is starting an "antiterrorist operation" to deal with an incursion by a group claiming to be Russians who have come to liberate them from the Kremlin, with sponsorship from Ukraine. It is presumably designed to sow chaos in Russia and distract Russia from the counteroffensive elsewhere.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,081
    Leon said:

    Welcome, my friends, to the Diplomat Suite at the Four Seasons Cairo

    They have inscribed my name in chocolate hieroglyphs on a special chocolate obelisk



    They have built me a tray of sweetmeats made like the pyramids



    And from my Nile side balcony I can see…



    Nice to be able to see one of the wonders of the world from your window.

    The foreground however looks like some sort of dystopian vision of the future from the 1980s.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    Sean_F said:

    I see that on Hertsmere Council, Labour's NEC has made it absolutely plain that Labour councillors are not go into coalition with the Lib Dems.

    That leaves open the possibility that the Conservatives will remain as a minority administration.

    I note that some Labour councillors are threatening to sit as independents.

    Is there particular animosity between Lab and LD on this council?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Welcome, my friends, to the Diplomat Suite at the Four Seasons Cairo

    They have inscribed my name in chocolate hieroglyphs on a special chocolate obelisk



    They have built me a tray of sweetmeats made like the pyramids



    And from my Nile side balcony I can see…



    Nice to be able to see one of the wonders of the world from your window.

    The foreground however looks like some sort of dystopian vision of the future from the 1980s.
    I was going to say that it looks like it's been besieged by the Wagner group.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    HYUFD said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Leon said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    mwadams said:

    HYUFD said:

    Poor, poor Polly Toynbee. She can't even find one working class ancestor but nonetheless she still sympathises desperately with their troubles while writing her Guardian column from her posh property to be read by other upper middle class left liberals, though of course the working classes suffered terrible false conciousness in backing Brexit
    https://twitter.com/alysdenby/status/1660564871610527744?s=20

    Polly Toynbee is why I was a Tory for so long.
    I don’t believe I’ve ever read an interesting Polly Toynbee piece. I believe she was considered influential back in the early 90s…
    It’s worth reading that article for the sheer Toynbee-ness of it all. Her sad desperate yet failed search for at least one working class relative (a story I don’t believe btw, everyone has working class relatives no more than 2 or 3 generations away or removed - she just didn’t want to find them)

    True story: a few years ago she bought a house near a friend of mine for a cool £5m cash
    I’ve never understood poshos like Toynbee who are desperate to be working class.

    What is wrong with these people?
    It’s a truly weird and toxic mixture of snobbery and guilt. Toynbee is a proper snob. It oozes from every syllable of that article. She sneers. She can’t help it. She enjoys being posh so she can look down on almost everyone

    Yet at the same time I am sure she genuinely feels guilt at her privilege and has a sincere desire to help others - especially those “less fortunate”

    So you end up with weird and awkward contortions like that essay

    Is she worse or better than an outright snob like Alan Clark? I honestly dunno. He was funny. But a nasty snob. She’s not funny. But she’s probably done more for poor people while inwardly sneering at them and trying not to smell them
    Alan Clark was ultimately harmless (aside from to his immediate family). His diaries remain quite fascinating, and they are truly wonderfully edited - Ion Trewin really does give the whole of the man, his insecurities and frequent wrongness about things. Clark was an excellent and very funny writer, quite snobbish but also an inveterate romantic whose main goal was to give narrative justification for the events in his life.

    Only Chris Mullin has come close to him, I think.
    Alan Clark had a classic putdown of Michael Heseltine, though an extremely snobbish one. He said Heseltine 'was the type of man who has to buy his own furniture'.

    He was also quite snobbish about William Hague too, Hague's father owned a small drinks factory, recounting one conversation with his fellow OE Nicholas Soames in which he said of the comprehensive educated Hague ' I mean the man looks like a golf ball'. He quite liked Blair though, apart from on Kosovo (Blair sent him a note after his illness was diagnosed) and was a big Princess Diana fan and worshipped Thatcher, though that was not fully reciprocated as The Lady never made him a senior Minister
    I believe that quote about Heseltine was from Sir Timothy Kitson but recorded by Clark.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    The Four Seasons really doesn’t fuck around when it wants to impress




    That spiky tower on the left is the TV tower by Tahrir Sq. When I lived on Zamalek Island circa 1989 I would walk across that bridge, score my £E70 of opium from my friendly gap toothed dealer, pop it under my tongue, then let it dissolve as I walked home. To spend the rest of the day entirely zonked, reading poetry and killing flies

    That’s when I realised I had a purpose in life. To carry on doing exactly that but to get other people to pay for it
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023

    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.

    To continue what is a bad day at the top of Labour, also from Sky news, this financial and communication mess up was also quickly picked up by PB in the last thread

    Senior Labour frontbencher under fire for business class flight to New York
    Suella Braverman is not the only senior MP under fire today.
    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been criticised for taking a business class flight to New York where she is set to meet businesses, before travelling to Washington DC for meetings and a speech tomorrow.
    Yesterday evening, she posted a tweet with a photo of herself on the plane before take-off from Heathrow, but eagle-eyed users spotted her seat number on her boarding pass.
    She was sitting in seat number 3K, which is a business class seat with a lie-flat bed, according to online seat maps.
    However, the tweet was deleted when users began pointing out her front-of-the-plane accommodation. The tweet was subsequently re-posted with the information blurred out, but that was also later deleted.
    Must say, I find this line of criticism completely bonkers. I’ve said the same whenever it’s weaponised against Tory PMs/chancellors/cabinet members.

    What’s the point of first/business class, if we don’t put our most important people in the seats?

    I find the whole *scandal* unfathomable.

    Having said that, as I understand the thinking, they usually justify 1st/business on a privacy/security basis. Posting a photo on Twitter somewhat undermines the privacy argument.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,136
    ping said:

    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.

    To continue what is a bad day at the top of Labour, also from Sky news, this financial and communication mess up was also quickly picked up by PB in the last thread

    Senior Labour frontbencher under fire for business class flight to New York
    Suella Braverman is not the only senior MP under fire today.
    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been criticised for taking a business class flight to New York where she is set to meet businesses, before travelling to Washington DC for meetings and a speech tomorrow.
    Yesterday evening, she posted a tweet with a photo of herself on the plane before take-off from Heathrow, but eagle-eyed users spotted her seat number on her boarding pass.
    She was sitting in seat number 3K, which is a business class seat with a lie-flat bed, according to online seat maps.
    However, the tweet was deleted when users began pointing out her front-of-the-plane accommodation. The tweet was subsequently re-posted with the information blurred out, but that was also later deleted.
    Must say, I find this line of criticism completely bonkers. I’ve said the same whenever it’s weaponised against Tory PMs/chancellors/cabinet members.

    What’s the point of first/business class, if we don’t put our most important people in the seats?

    I find the whole *scandal* unfathomable.
    People aren't annoyed that she sits in business class, they're annoyed that they don't themselves.

    The same reason people get irate about CEO pay - if they were earning CEO salaries themselves, they wouldn't object. Same with Russian billionaire superyachts - cancelling them won't shorten the war in Ukraine by even a fraction of a second, but people just don't like others owning expensive toys when they can hardly make ends meet themselves.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679
    Leon said:

    The Four Seasons really doesn’t fuck around when it wants to impress




    That spiky tower on the left is the TV tower by Tahrir Sq. When I lived on Zamalek Island circa 1989 I would walk across that bridge, score my £E70 of opium from my friendly gap toothed dealer, pop it under my tongue, then let it dissolve as I walked home. To spend the rest of the day entirely zonked, reading poetry and killing flies

    That’s when I realised I had a purpose in life. To carry on doing exactly that but to get other people to pay for it

    Why not try golf?

    Speaking of which, nobody's going to believe this but I swear it's true, there's a Speed Awareness Course going on at my club right now. Eclectic looking bunch.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    ping said:

    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.

    To continue what is a bad day at the top of Labour, also from Sky news, this financial and communication mess up was also quickly picked up by PB in the last thread

    Senior Labour frontbencher under fire for business class flight to New York
    Suella Braverman is not the only senior MP under fire today.
    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been criticised for taking a business class flight to New York where she is set to meet businesses, before travelling to Washington DC for meetings and a speech tomorrow.
    Yesterday evening, she posted a tweet with a photo of herself on the plane before take-off from Heathrow, but eagle-eyed users spotted her seat number on her boarding pass.
    She was sitting in seat number 3K, which is a business class seat with a lie-flat bed, according to online seat maps.
    However, the tweet was deleted when users began pointing out her front-of-the-plane accommodation. The tweet was subsequently re-posted with the information blurred out, but that was also later deleted.
    Must say, I find this line of criticism completely bonkers. I’ve said the same whenever it’s weaponised against Tory PMs/chancellors/cabinet members.

    What’s the point of first/business class, if we don’t put our most important people in the seats?

    I find the whole *scandal* unfathomable.

    Having said that, as I understand the thinking, they usually justify 1st/business on a privacy/security basis. Posting a photo on Twitter somewhat undermines the privacy argument.
    Unforced error from Reeves. Made worse by the deleting, blurring, then deleting again

    She’s the Shadow Chancellor of the UK flying to New York, of course she can fly Business. She’s not even going from LHR. It’s from Gatwick. It’s cheaper

    She should own it and accept any criticism and say This is my job
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,913
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    The Four Seasons really doesn’t fuck around when it wants to impress




    That spiky tower on the left is the TV tower by Tahrir Sq. When I lived on Zamalek Island circa 1989 I would walk across that bridge, score my £E70 of opium from my friendly gap toothed dealer, pop it under my tongue, then let it dissolve as I walked home. To spend the rest of the day entirely zonked, reading poetry and killing flies

    That’s when I realised I had a purpose in life. To carry on doing exactly that but to get other people to pay for it

    Why not try golf?

    Speaking of which, nobody's going to believe this but I swear it's true, there's a Speed Awareness Course going on at my club right now. Eclectic looking bunch.
    My god - if there was one person on PB that I'd be sure wouldn't come out with the 'Why not' it'd have been you!

    Ricky Gervase summed it up.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    edited May 2023
    Fishing said:

    ping said:

    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.

    To continue what is a bad day at the top of Labour, also from Sky news, this financial and communication mess up was also quickly picked up by PB in the last thread

    Senior Labour frontbencher under fire for business class flight to New York
    Suella Braverman is not the only senior MP under fire today.
    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been criticised for taking a business class flight to New York where she is set to meet businesses, before travelling to Washington DC for meetings and a speech tomorrow.
    Yesterday evening, she posted a tweet with a photo of herself on the plane before take-off from Heathrow, but eagle-eyed users spotted her seat number on her boarding pass.
    She was sitting in seat number 3K, which is a business class seat with a lie-flat bed, according to online seat maps.
    However, the tweet was deleted when users began pointing out her front-of-the-plane accommodation. The tweet was subsequently re-posted with the information blurred out, but that was also later deleted.
    Must say, I find this line of criticism completely bonkers. I’ve said the same whenever it’s weaponised against Tory PMs/chancellors/cabinet members.

    What’s the point of first/business class, if we don’t put our most important people in the seats?

    I find the whole *scandal* unfathomable.
    People aren't annoyed that she sits in business class, they're annoyed that they don't themselves.

    The same reason people get irate about CEO pay - if they were earning CEO salaries themselves, they wouldn't object. Same with Russian billionaire superyachts - cancelling them won't shorten the war in Ukraine by even a fraction of a second, but people just don't like others owning expensive toys when they can hardly make ends meet themselves.
    The Russian oligarch yacht confiscations are about causing pain to the people enabling Putin.

    IIRC a gentlemen of this parish stated that his Russian friends were miserable because their big bath toys had been taken away.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Leon said:

    ping said:

    Sky news have picked up on Starmer’s “no magic money tree” awful Theresa May speech today

    Starmer is unleashing waves of new policy - but still fails to explain how he would pay for it all

    As part of a long-term effort to convince voters that Labour is ready for government, Sir Keir Starmer today unveiled the third of his five missions.
    It seems that his response to being accused of lacking a big vision for the country is to unleash wave after wave of detailed policies and ambitious pledges.
    In a speech that lasted half an hour, the wishlist went from slashing waiting times to restrictions on advertising to children.
    It included personal anecdotes alongside transformative plans that span the next decade.
    The only area that was a little light on information was how it would all be paid for, beyond some narrowly focused funding pledges on closing tax loopholes.
    The Labour leader said that would be forthcoming as the next general election draws near.
    But if he wants to reassure voters that the public finances as well as the NHS are safe in his hands, he can't put it off much longer.

    To continue what is a bad day at the top of Labour, also from Sky news, this financial and communication mess up was also quickly picked up by PB in the last thread

    Senior Labour frontbencher under fire for business class flight to New York
    Suella Braverman is not the only senior MP under fire today.
    Shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves has been criticised for taking a business class flight to New York where she is set to meet businesses, before travelling to Washington DC for meetings and a speech tomorrow.
    Yesterday evening, she posted a tweet with a photo of herself on the plane before take-off from Heathrow, but eagle-eyed users spotted her seat number on her boarding pass.
    She was sitting in seat number 3K, which is a business class seat with a lie-flat bed, according to online seat maps.
    However, the tweet was deleted when users began pointing out her front-of-the-plane accommodation. The tweet was subsequently re-posted with the information blurred out, but that was also later deleted.
    Must say, I find this line of criticism completely bonkers. I’ve said the same whenever it’s weaponised against Tory PMs/chancellors/cabinet members.

    What’s the point of first/business class, if we don’t put our most important people in the seats?

    I find the whole *scandal* unfathomable.

    Having said that, as I understand the thinking, they usually justify 1st/business on a privacy/security basis. Posting a photo on Twitter somewhat undermines the privacy argument.
    Unforced error from Reeves. Made worse by the deleting, blurring, then deleting again

    She’s the Shadow Chancellor of the UK flying to New York, of course she can fly Business. She’s not even going from LHR. It’s from Gatwick. It’s cheaper

    She should own it and accept any criticism and say This is my job
    I must say I find this Reeves business mystifying. I’m just feeling ‘so what’
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,550
    Pro_Rata said:

    slade said:

    There is another by-election pending - for a hereditary Lib Dem in the House of Lords. There are 3 candidates - Lord Belhaven, Earl Lloyd George, and Earl Russell. So 2 descendants of Liberal Prime ministers and one who isn't.

    How big is the electorate this time?
    Hundreds. The electorate is all members of the House of Lords who have taken the oath of allegiance or made a solemn affirmation to KCIII on or before 9 June except those disqualified, suspended or on leave of absence.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    slade said:

    There is another by-election pending - for a hereditary Lib Dem in the House of Lords. There are 3 candidates - Lord Belhaven, Earl Lloyd George, and Earl Russell. So 2 descendants of Liberal Prime ministers and one who isn't.

    How big is the electorate this time?
    Last time there were seven candidates and three voters, so one assumes there are now three candidates and seven voters (the hereditary principle being such that the size of the pool doesn't change all that much, although presumably hereditary peers may have either left or joined the Lib Dems since 2016).
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657

    Redfield & Wilton Strategies

    Labour leads by 12%, tying their narrowest lead since Rishi Sunak became Prime Minister.

    Westminster VI (21 May):

    Labour 42% (–)
    Conservative 30% (+2)
    Liberal Democrat 13% (+2)
    Reform UK 5% (-3)
    Green 4% (-1)
    SNP 4% (–)
    Other 2% (–)

    Changes +/- 14 May
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