The UK song was decently written, the problem is that Mae Muller is a terrible live artist. This was clear in the semi finals.
If the UK is to win, the song writing talent is now good - after being terrible for a long time - but they must find an artist that can actually perform well live.
We'd have won last year but for the unique circumstances!
We got to host this year, we are the staunchest supporters of Ukraine among the big rich European nations. We’ll take that I think, we did Ukraine proud.
Sam Ryder seems to have been an accident in terms of live performance at this point. Even though the team that wrote the song were the same as this year.
With a decent artist this year would have been good for us IMHO.
Conservative just means you're cautious and a bit suspicious of change, and only want to do so if you have to, and then to do so gradually. If it ain't broke dont fix it.
Of course, that in itself is reason enough why plenty of people don't like them.
The other point of view is that many people don't like change and taking this approach to Government allows for stability, consistency, broad peace, preservation of tradition/ what works, predictability and thus extra space economic growth, and stops silly ideas and radical dogma that's poorly thought through from being put into practice.
Which is why Brexit has pissed off so many natural Conservatives. Totally silly idea with radical dogma and poorly thought through.
The Conservatives won't recover until they repent of Brexitism.
I knew someone would respond (in seconds) with Brexit.
That conflicted across the principle because many Conservatives thought it was riskier to stay because of the radical change that they felt would inevitably come, which was also against their values. If you believe in conserving national sovereignty and independence, and not steadily creeping towards a federal Europe, you won't have had a problem with this.
Too many seem to miss this and focus just on the economic disruption, more often than not because they themselves aren't Conservatives.
The only unConservative bit, in my view, was in the response to the vote itself, which became too dogmatic.
Well, Brexit and its economic consequences is why the Red Wall thinks this government has failed, and why the Blue Wall hates it too.
Brexit is the political monkeys paw. You get what you wish for and regret it very quickly.
Not quickly enough, though.
But yes, at some point the Conservatives stopped being conservative. Incremental change, think in generations, work out why the fence was put up before you tear it down, that sort of thing. It's not just about Brexit, for all that is totemic. (After all, a conservative approach to being Eurosceptic would have been to take Dave's deal and set it in concrete. It probably would have stuck.)
And then there's Starmer's speech today (there's a link here; https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1657353519165321216). Large chunks of it read like the sort of thing that a One Nation Tory of previous generations- Iain Macleod, say, could have said. But it's really hard to see who is standing up for this sort of thing in the current setup.
What was the "conservative" option to disengage with the EU given it had taken a "conservative" attitude to steadily ratcheting up integration over several decades to arrive at such a decidedly objectionable position to so many Conservatives?
The rather bleak answer is that (IIRC) when Jean-Claude Juncker offered to David Cameron that the UK be moved to a newly-made up outer rim position, giving the UK much if not all of what it wanted, Cameron said no. Cameron thought he could keep UK at the heart of Europe. And seven years later here we are...
I remain to be convinced that actually happened, although I can fully believe Cameron's response if it did.
Anyone have any actual evidence of this?
I've had a brief look and I can't find any. It's something I remember, but I don't know if it's something I remember happening or something I remember reading. Combined with more and more sources vanishing behind paywalls and Google's increasingly unhelpful algorithm I can't say yea or nay. If I find anything that looks like evidence I will let you know.
Conservative just means you're cautious and a bit suspicious of change, and only want to do so if you have to, and then to do so gradually. If it ain't broke dont fix it.
Of course, that in itself is reason enough why plenty of people don't like them.
The other point of view is that many people don't like change and taking this approach to Government allows for stability, consistency, broad peace, preservation of tradition/ what works, predictability and thus extra space economic growth, and stops silly ideas and radical dogma that's poorly thought through from being put into practice.
Which is why Brexit has pissed off so many natural Conservatives. Totally silly idea with radical dogma and poorly thought through.
The Conservatives won't recover until they repent of Brexitism.
I knew someone would respond (in seconds) with Brexit.
That conflicted across the principle because many Conservatives thought it was riskier to stay because of the radical change that they felt would inevitably come, which was also against their values. If you believe in conserving national sovereignty and independence, and not steadily creeping towards a federal Europe, you won't have had a problem with this.
Too many seem to miss this and focus just on the economic disruption, more often than not because they themselves aren't Conservatives.
The only unConservative bit, in my view, was in the response to the vote itself, which became too dogmatic.
Well, Brexit and its economic consequences is why the Red Wall thinks this government has failed, and why the Blue Wall hates it too.
Brexit is the political monkeys paw. You get what you wish for and regret it very quickly.
Not quickly enough, though.
But yes, at some point the Conservatives stopped being conservative. Incremental change, think in generations, work out why the fence was put up before you tear it down, that sort of thing. It's not just about Brexit, for all that is totemic. (After all, a conservative approach to being Eurosceptic would have been to take Dave's deal and set it in concrete. It probably would have stuck.)
And then there's Starmer's speech today (there's a link here; https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1657353519165321216). Large chunks of it read like the sort of thing that a One Nation Tory of previous generations- Iain Macleod, say, could have said. But it's really hard to see who is standing up for this sort of thing in the current setup.
What was the "conservative" option to disengage with the EU given it had taken a "conservative" attitude to steadily ratcheting up integration over several decades to arrive at such a decidedly objectionable position to so many Conservatives?
The rather bleak answer is that (IIRC) when Jean-Claude Juncker offered to David Cameron that the UK be moved to a newly-made up outer rim position, giving the UK much if not all of what it wanted, Cameron said no. Cameron thought he could keep UK at the heart of Europe. And seven years later here we are...
I remain to be convinced that actually happened, although I can fully believe Cameron's response if it did.
Anyone have any actual evidence of this?
I've had a brief look and I can't find any. It's something I remember, but I don't know if it's something I remember happening or something I remember reading. Combined with more and more sources vanishing behind paywalls and Google's increasingly unhelpful algorithm I can't say yea or nay. If I find anything that looks like evidence I will let you know.
Don't worry.
Even if it didn't happen it would have happened if anyone had thought to do it at the time.
Is that an example of a post-truth world or a post-modern world or post something else ?
Apparently the British public’s favourite act was Finland ! Good grief I despair . I thought Mae was robbed , her song was far better than the vast majority .
Apparently the British public’s favourite act was Finland ! Good grief I despair . I thought Mae was robbed , her song was far better than the vast majority .
Sorry Nico, a load of nonsense. The UK's song itself was good but was performed horrifically. We thoroughly deserved to come last.
Apparently the British public’s favourite act was Finland ! Good grief I despair . I thought Mae was robbed , her song was far better than the vast majority .
Aiui Finland was everyone's favourite act and would have won if the juries had not given Sweden such a huge margin.
It's OK, it's only the (Scottish) Mail, so probably bearing little relevance to reality.
Why would you seek to play down something as potentially serious as this ?
BigG. you always get very excited when your political foes appear to be in trouble, remember Currygate? And for example on the flipside you played down Partygate at its height.
I accept the SNP are in trouble, but I suspect the Mail are gilding this particular lily. I don't believe Labour, or the Conservatives will benefit as much as we are told, from the SNP's travails.
He was wanking himself dry over currygate on a daily basis. It was all so much wishful thinking though.
What was the "conservative" option to disengage with the EU given it had taken a "conservative" attitude to steadily ratcheting up integration over several decades to arrive at such a decidedly objectionable position to so many Conservatives?
The rather bleak answer is that (IIRC) when Jean-Claude Juncker offered to David Cameron that the UK be moved to a newly-made up outer rim position, giving the UK much if not all of what it wanted, Cameron said no. Cameron thought he could keep UK at the heart of Europe. And seven years later here we are...
I remain to be convinced that actually happened, although I can fully believe Cameron's response if it did.
Anyone have any actual evidence of this?
I've had a brief look and I can't find any. It's something I remember, but I don't know if it's something I remember happening or something I remember reading. Combined with more and more sources vanishing behind paywalls and Google's increasingly unhelpful algorithm I can't say yea or nay. If I find anything that looks like evidence I will let you know.
Don't worry.
Even if it didn't happen it would have happened if anyone had thought to do it at the time.
Is that an example of a post-truth world or a post-modern world or post something else ?
Unknown. I am aware of confabulation or fabulation, where one's memories are assembled from bits and pieces to make a coherent thread, regardless of whether that thread actually represents events or even happened. I try to get round this by seeing not just if I remember something, but whether I remember remembering it. But backing it up with "research" is getting more difficult - that bit about Google getting worse and paywalls removing info is true - and in order to prove/disprove it means that I will have to do something like getting books out of the library. Which is time-consuming.
What was the "conservative" option to disengage with the EU given it had taken a "conservative" attitude to steadily ratcheting up integration over several decades to arrive at such a decidedly objectionable position to so many Conservatives?
The rather bleak answer is that (IIRC) when Jean-Claude Juncker offered to David Cameron that the UK be moved to a newly-made up outer rim position, giving the UK much if not all of what it wanted, Cameron said no. Cameron thought he could keep UK at the heart of Europe. And seven years later here we are...
I remain to be convinced that actually happened, although I can fully believe Cameron's response if it did.
Anyone have any actual evidence of this?
I've had a brief look and I can't find any. It's something I remember, but I don't know if it's something I remember happening or something I remember reading. Combined with more and more sources vanishing behind paywalls and Google's increasingly unhelpful algorithm I can't say yea or nay. If I find anything that looks like evidence I will let you know.
Don't worry.
Even if it didn't happen it would have happened if anyone had thought to do it at the time.
Is that an example of a post-truth world or a post-modern world or post something else ?
Unknown. I am aware of confabulation or fabulation, where one's memories are assembled from bits and pieces to make a coherent thread, regardless of whether that thread actually represents events or even happened. I try to get round this by seeing not just if I remember something, but whether I remember remembering it. But backing it up with "research" is getting more difficult - that bit about Google getting worse and paywalls removing info is true - and in order to prove/disprove it means that I will have to do something like getting books out of the library. Which is time-consuming.
So I'm glum.
Don't worry, in a few months you won't remember being glum. Or at least you'll have no memory of remembering it. Reasons to be cheerful.
What was the "conservative" option to disengage with the EU given it had taken a "conservative" attitude to steadily ratcheting up integration over several decades to arrive at such a decidedly objectionable position to so many Conservatives?
The rather bleak answer is that (IIRC) when Jean-Claude Juncker offered to David Cameron that the UK be moved to a newly-made up outer rim position, giving the UK much if not all of what it wanted, Cameron said no. Cameron thought he could keep UK at the heart of Europe. And seven years later here we are...
I remain to be convinced that actually happened, although I can fully believe Cameron's response if it did.
Anyone have any actual evidence of this?
I've had a brief look and I can't find any. It's something I remember, but I don't know if it's something I remember happening or something I remember reading. Combined with more and more sources vanishing behind paywalls and Google's increasingly unhelpful algorithm I can't say yea or nay. If I find anything that looks like evidence I will let you know.
Don't worry.
Even if it didn't happen it would have happened if anyone had thought to do it at the time.
Is that an example of a post-truth world or a post-modern world or post something else ?
Unknown. I am aware of confabulation or fabulation, where one's memories are assembled from bits and pieces to make a coherent thread, regardless of whether that thread actually represents events or even happened. I try to get round this by seeing not just if I remember something, but whether I remember remembering it. But backing it up with "research" is getting more difficult - that bit about Google getting worse and paywalls removing info is true - and in order to prove/disprove it means that I will have to do something like getting books out of the library. Which is time-consuming.
So I'm glum.
Don't worry, in a few months you won't remember being glum. Or at least you'll have no memory of remembering it. Reasons to be cheerful.
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Good effort/ But nothing was ever going to beat Sweden.
Down with elites!
Still one too many non S words though.
Sunak in Southampton stands, sees Saints sunk.
Even if it didn't happen it would have happened if anyone had thought to do it at the time.
Is that an example of a post-truth world or a post-modern world or post something else ?
Edit: I like that typo so I’m not changing it. So there!
So I'm glum.
But since it’s a Telegraph story I’m gonna ignore it.