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  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    I think you'll find that London City Airport offers all those options - and the three combined for the adventurous.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    In times past, didn't German/Austrian railway stations have adult movie booths to allow customers to efficiently pass their time waiting for trains?

    Imagine (or rather, don't) if Transpennine tried to do that.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 720
    Leon said:

    Talking of shite American things, the Gazette has just commissioned me to do a travel article on..... wait for it.... Cincinnati. Yes, the Newent of USA, the Wick of the Midwest, the Walsall of Jesus Christ Why There?


    Can anyone cheer me up? Is there any remotely positive thing about Cincinnati that I can look forward to?

    THIRD on its list of major attractions is "The American Sign Museum"

    HELP

    WKRP
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Robert Lachky, former Chief Creative Officer for Budweiser:
    “It took us 20 years to take Bud Light beer to the No 1 beer in the country and it took them one week to dismantle it,”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/05/11/robert-lachky-bud-light-reputation-destroyed-dylan-mulvaney/

    What happened, did someone drink it?
    Ordinary Bud tastes as bad as Goblin cum. Bud light tastes even worse.

    Why would anyone wish to drink this abominable pastiche of Budvar/Budweiss?
    How are you in a position to make that comparison?!
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    A royal superfan was arrested and held by police for 13 hours because she happened to be standing next to a group of Just Stop Oil protesters ahead of the King’s coronation...

    “I was just sitting on my little stool and I noticed there was some yelling and then some police swooped in and were pushing the crowd back,” she told i.

    “I must have been right on the edge of that, I went to get up and two police officers just grabbed me and handcuffed me. I don’t think they said anything, I think they arrested me before they asked a question.

    “I feel like once I was in the system they didn’t listen, I tried to explain that I wasn’t part of the group.”


    https://apple.news/AkaYHB7fISb-wTjPltQJnsg

    What a shower of shite. It’s outrageous.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Dialup said:

    ROFL Casino is mad they are in same category as the great Dialup

    I didn't flag you.

    I think we'd all find each other interesting at times, and dull at other times, and we all have a bit of barking in us somewhere.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    Did you try out the new Luton DART link to the train station? Opened less than 2 months ago.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    Leon said:

    Talking of shite American things, the Gazette has just commissioned me to do a travel article on..... wait for it.... Cincinnati. Yes, the Newent of USA, the Wick of the Midwest, the Walsall of Jesus Christ Why There?


    Can anyone cheer me up? Is there any remotely positive thing about Cincinnati that I can look forward to?

    THIRD on its list of major attractions is "The American Sign Museum"

    HELP


    . .
    There used to be a leather museum in Walsall, and a Jerome K Jerome one too. And the Walsall illuminations in the autumn, a bit like the Blackpool ones, only a lot smaller, and with no sea. I worked there for a bit. The leather museum was more horse than gimp orientated.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,516
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Farooq, when you putting up the exciting Superstars list
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    The sushi bar there is OK.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,976

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    Did you try out the new Luton DART link to the train station? Opened less than 2 months ago.
    Cynical bastards as they are, Luton council knows that we'll all just tap in and out at either end and damn the cost...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,695
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Can I be on the list of too boring to make any of the first four lists?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Now that’s what I call a bollocking….

    Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has issued a fierce rebuke to Kemi Badenoch

    https://twitter.com/dailymirror/status/1656684232423399424

    Excellent. He is dead right as well. Both parties are increasingly guilty when in Government of making major policy announcements outside of Parliament when they should be briefing MPs first.
    Point of order, do they opposition need to make policy announcements to the HoC? Do they even have the opportunity to do so?
    I was referring to when they were last in power. This has been an increasingly annoying issue ever since the start of this century. I don't immediately remember Major or those before him being rebuked for this so regularly.
    I don't remember it being an issue with the last Labour government but I bow to your better memory.

    Is it a feature of the modern comms, the internet etc? There's a bit of me that thinks, so what if a press briefing is given before the HoC?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,964
    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806
    Dialup said:

    Dialup said:

    Blanche would have Horse on his own list. They are obsessed with him

    Jesus Chbrist! You’re the one who exactly copies his posting style
    No I can spell
    Next up: punctuation. ;-)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,409

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    @leon clearly off the scale. Disappointed to have only made the "bit unhinged" category
    It's a weighted average though (isn't it Farooq?). If we just go on your 'Scottish Nationalism' output you'd be in 'completely barking' quite easily.
    That is just having clear vision @kinabalu. I am happy being a loan voice in my warnings about the risks of parochial nationalism. I used to get shot down for my views on Russian interference in our democracy. If you think it is "completely barking" then I will accept the accolade. I don't expect you to share a view that is anything other than the conventional.

    You did not get a mention in the top category? Did @Farooq have a special circle of hell for people trained in Chartered Accountancy?
    You want credit for being a "loan voice"?
    Rentagob?
    Seems a little harsh @Carnyx. You are normally very polite for a nationalist apologist. I guess there are a lot of things for you to be cross about. What is your view of the state of Scottish Nationalism at the moment? A choice between a bunch of crooks or the quasi-fascist Alba? The parties of Anglophobia have never been so unclothed, and boy, do they look ugly eh?
    If you keep insisting that the desire for independence is the same thing as nationalism, them you'll see nationalism everywhere.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    malcolmg said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Farooq, when you putting up the exciting Superstars list
    You and @Nigel_Foremain seriously need to get it on.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Andy_JS said:

    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?

    Italy, sort of?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,516

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    @leon clearly off the scale. Disappointed to have only made the "bit unhinged" category
    It's a weighted average though (isn't it Farooq?). If we just go on your 'Scottish Nationalism' output you'd be in 'completely barking' quite easily.
    That is just having clear vision @kinabalu. I am happy being a loan voice in my warnings about the risks of parochial nationalism. I used to get shot down for my views on Russian interference in our democracy. If you think it is "completely barking" then I will accept the accolade. I don't expect you to share a view that is anything other than the conventional.

    You did not get a mention in the top category? Did @Farooq have a special circle of hell for people trained in Chartered Accountancy?
    You want credit for being a "loan voice"?
    Rentagob?
    Seems a little harsh @Carnyx. You are normally very polite for a nationalist apologist. I guess there are a lot of things for you to be cross about. What is your view of the state of Scottish Nationalism at the moment? A choice between a bunch of crooks or the quasi-fascist Alba? The parties of Anglophobia have never been so unclothed, and boy, do they look ugly eh?
    Typical bigoted mince from the site tossbag.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779

    A royal superfan was arrested and held by police for 13 hours because she happened to be standing next to a group of Just Stop Oil protesters ahead of the King’s coronation...

    “I was just sitting on my little stool and I noticed there was some yelling and then some police swooped in and were pushing the crowd back,” she told i.

    “I must have been right on the edge of that, I went to get up and two police officers just grabbed me and handcuffed me. I don’t think they said anything, I think they arrested me before they asked a question.

    “I feel like once I was in the system they didn’t listen, I tried to explain that I wasn’t part of the group.”


    https://apple.news/AkaYHB7fISb-wTjPltQJnsg

    What a shower of shite. It’s outrageous.

    I quite agree. Lock her up and throw away the key. She tried to "get up". Convicted out of her own mouth. She should have raised her hand and asked the police for permission to get up.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    Chris said:

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    I think you'll find that London City Airport offers all those options...
    OK I'll bite. Why does it do so?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    We need to stop supporting Ukraine after this grave insult.

    The reason Volodymyr Zelensky didn’t want the UK to host Eurovision

    The Ukrainian leader says nations such as Slovakia or Poland would have been his preference for staging Saturday’s ceremony


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/11/zelensky-eurovision-hosting-nation-uk/
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Andy_JS said:

    Another bad poll for the Tories.

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 46% (+2)
    CON: 30% (-1)
    LDEM: 9% (-)
    REF: 5% (-)
    GRN: 3% (-)

    via @Savanta_UK, 05 - 07 May"

    The long heralded Tory recovery continues. How could we have ever doubted it?
    30 isn’t exactly bad. But this poll does have the Coronation Bounce built into it for the Tory’s.

    Sunak waving a flag like a performing seal all evening has arrested the slide.
    I'm expecting the next poll to show Tory numbers rising up like a Mordaunt sword.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Andy_JS said:

    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?

    France changed its two-round system for the 1986 elections to PR and reverted back in1988.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    I think you'll find that London City Airport offers all those options...
    OK I'll bite. Why does it do so?
    It was a joke.

    But you didn't mention biting before. I think they charge extra if you want to do that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806
    edited May 2023

    We need to stop supporting Ukraine after this grave insult.

    The reason Volodymyr Zelensky didn’t want the UK to host Eurovision

    The Ukrainian leader says nations such as Slovakia or Poland would have been his preference for staging Saturday’s ceremony


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/11/zelensky-eurovision-hosting-nation-uk/

    On the contrary, I haven't read the article (paywall) but it no doubt explains that Zelensky was keen to save the UK from the embarrassment of coming last at its own Eurovision.

    What a hero, what a true friend.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,649

    Andy_JS said:

    Another bad poll for the Tories.

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 46% (+2)
    CON: 30% (-1)
    LDEM: 9% (-)
    REF: 5% (-)
    GRN: 3% (-)

    via @Savanta_UK, 05 - 07 May"

    The long heralded Tory recovery continues. How could we have ever doubted it?
    30 isn’t exactly bad. But this poll does have the Coronation Bounce built into it for the Tory’s.

    Sunak waving a flag like a performing seal all evening has arrested the slide.
    I'm expecting the next poll to show Tory numbers rising up like a Mordaunt sword.
    They will need to find a decent strap for it then.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    We need to stop supporting Ukraine after this grave insult.

    The reason Volodymyr Zelensky didn’t want the UK to host Eurovision

    The Ukrainian leader says nations such as Slovakia or Poland would have been his preference for staging Saturday’s ceremony


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/11/zelensky-eurovision-hosting-nation-uk/

    On the contrary, I haven't read the article (paywall) but it no doubt explains that Zelensky was keen to save the UK from the embarrassment of coming last at its own Eurovision.

    What a hero, what a true friend.
    Er, the UK came 2nd last year!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Andy_JS said:

    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?

    In Canada, Province of British Columbia, as I recall for couple of provincial general elections late 1940s - early 1950s.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,872
    edited May 2023

    I’m now in the Saint-Malo apartment I’ve rented for the next three nights before I return home, and I think it’s the best one I’ve had yet. I’m on the top floor and have a nice big balcony. There’s a big TV, a decent stereo, really smart kitchen with a washing machine, a great shower and a comfy bed. The hosts have left me cider and beers in the fridge (that’s now a beer)

    The view from the balcony isn’t great, just the other side of the street, but the location is great. I’m right near the dockside (and I don’t think ANY of those jokes are funny now) and five minutes walk from the beach. There are loads of restaurants and shops around

    I was going to walk back to the cathedral once I’d got here, but I really can’t be bothered to this evening - I’ve got three days here to do that and more exploring. Oh, and to have a bus ride to Mont-Saint-Michel

    I think I’ll go to the nearest supermarket, get some grub and a bottle of wine, and enjoy some relaxation - I reckon I’ve earnt that now

    It can be nice in Northern France in May. Many moons ago I made the mistake of booking a hotel in Lille in August, coming up from the South, forgetting that cheap hotels in the north tend not to have aircon. An unpleasant two nights.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    kjh said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    I'm disappointed you've got me down as only a "bit" unhinged :(
    At least you are on the bloody list
    Your name will also go on the list. What is it ?

    Don’t tell him, Pike.

    Pike.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,695

    We need to stop supporting Ukraine after this grave insult.

    The reason Volodymyr Zelensky didn’t want the UK to host Eurovision

    The Ukrainian leader says nations such as Slovakia or Poland would have been his preference for staging Saturday’s ceremony


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/11/zelensky-eurovision-hosting-nation-uk/

    On the contrary, I haven't read the article (paywall) but it no doubt explains that Zelensky was keen to save the UK from the embarrassment of coming last at its own Eurovision.

    What a hero, what a true friend.
    Er, the UK came 2nd last year!
    One swallow does not a summer make. For the last two decades we have been rubbish. Until Sam came along we’ve really rather sneered at it, and not bothered trying. Other nations send their best bands/artists/song writers. We sent Enbert Humperdinck…
    Remains to be seen what happens this year.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    UK won't come last this year. It's a decent song.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015
    AlistairM said:

    I’m now in the Saint-Malo apartment I’ve rented for the next three nights before I return home, and I think it’s the best one I’ve had yet. I’m on the top floor and have a nice big balcony. There’s a big TV, a decent stereo, really smart kitchen with a washing machine, a great shower and a comfy bed. The hosts have left me cider and beers in the fridge (that’s now a beer)

    The view from the balcony isn’t great, just the other side of the street, but the location is great. I’m right near the dockside (and I don’t think ANY of those jokes are funny now) and five minutes walk from the beach. There are loads of restaurants and shops around

    I was going to walk back to the cathedral once I’d got here, but I really can’t be bothered to this evening - I’ve got three days here to do that and more exploring. Oh, and to have a bus ride to Mont-Saint-Michel

    I think I’ll go to the nearest supermarket, get some grub and a bottle of wine, and enjoy some relaxation - I reckon I’ve earnt that now

    I've really enjoyed your travelogue. I hope you enjoyed the "break"! Out of interest as well as just steps do you happen to record the overall path you have taken? It would be good to see if you have.
    I know where I’ve walked but haven’t plotted it on a map yet. It’s too fiddly to do on my phone, but I will do it on my computer when I get home. And I’ll definitely share it here
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    edited May 2023
    My brother who has just visited from his home in Amsterdam has a Ukrainian Mother and son living with him and his family. They've been living with them for over a year and now the son has reached 18 he's unable to return without being arrested and having his passport confiscated.

    His mother who went to visit family in Kiev said there's a lot of ill feeling towards those who left the country and more so to those with boys who did. They are obliged to join the army at 18

    They are not now planning to return when and if the war ends despite having a husband still living there
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    Enjoyed your blogging too @BlancheLivermore
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481

    Andy_JS said:

    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?

    In Canada, Province of British Columbia, as I recall for couple of provincial general elections late 1940s - early 1950s.
    The BC Liberals have just changed their name to BC United.
    Might get more support for their team.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    edited May 2023

    Andy_JS said:

    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?

    In Canada, Province of British Columbia, as I recall for couple of provincial general elections late 1940s - early 1950s.
    Was a change to AV. With a few multi-member constituencies. Then back again.
    Was a clever wheeze by the Lib-Con coalition to lock the CCF out of power. Was successful. To the extent that the SoCreds won and then ruled for decades.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    It's possible to be boring and unhinged at the same time.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929

    We need to stop supporting Ukraine after this grave insult.

    The reason Volodymyr Zelensky didn’t want the UK to host Eurovision

    The Ukrainian leader says nations such as Slovakia or Poland would have been his preference for staging Saturday’s ceremony


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/11/zelensky-eurovision-hosting-nation-uk/

    He is fed up with the fleecing of the hard pressed British taxpayer on pointless vanity projects?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    Roger said:

    My brother who has just visited from his home in Amsterdam has a Ukrainian Mother and son living with him and his family. They've been living with them for over a year and now the son has reached 18 he's unable to return without being arrested and having his passport confiscated.

    His mother who went to visit family in Kiev said there's a lot of ill feeling towards those who left the country and more so to those with boys who did. They are obliged to join the army at 18

    They are not now planning to return when and if the war ends despite having a husband still living there

    I think several million Ukranian refugees have now returned. An 18 year old is pretty certain to be drafted on return though, and it does look like fighting will drag on for some time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657
    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    It's possible to be boring and unhinged at the same time.
    First on list as solid (or dull) with my fellow oldy @OldKingCole

    I am sure we will both take that
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561

    First on list as solid (or dull) with my fellow oldy @OldKingCole

    I am sure we will both take that

    You are both excellent posters and worthy of number 1 spot. Not boring though
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    carnforth said:

    I’m now in the Saint-Malo apartment I’ve rented for the next three nights before I return home, and I think it’s the best one I’ve had yet. I’m on the top floor and have a nice big balcony. There’s a big TV, a decent stereo, really smart kitchen with a washing machine, a great shower and a comfy bed. The hosts have left me cider and beers in the fridge (that’s now a beer)

    The view from the balcony isn’t great, just the other side of the street, but the location is great. I’m right near the dockside (and I don’t think ANY of those jokes are funny now) and five minutes walk from the beach. There are loads of restaurants and shops around

    I was going to walk back to the cathedral once I’d got here, but I really can’t be bothered to this evening - I’ve got three days here to do that and more exploring. Oh, and to have a bus ride to Mont-Saint-Michel

    I think I’ll go to the nearest supermarket, get some grub and a bottle of wine, and enjoy some relaxation - I reckon I’ve earnt that now

    It can be nice in Northern France in May. Many moons ago I made the mistake of booking a hotel in Lille in August, coming up from the South, forgetting that cheap hotels in the north tend not to have aircon. An unpleasant two nights.
    No, Nice is in Southern France whatever time of year it is.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,596

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping



    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Can I be on the list of too boring to make any of the first four lists?
    Same here.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,171
    Chris said:

    Mega customer meeting this morning with vast prospects for fame and fortune. Spent the afternoon holed in an airport hotel bar writing things up and getting various processes (10 impossible things to do before Breakfast) underway.

    Sadly the airport is Luton, and my flight home is delayed by 80 minutes. Airports need to offer more pre-flight entertainment. Brothel perhaps? Gay sauna? Casino? Basically various ways to float your boat whilst you wait in the purgatory that is airport.

    I think you'll find that London City Airport offers all those options - and the three combined for the adventurous.
    Hence why our Nick exMP always flys from there?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    Now that’s what I call a bollocking….

    Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle has issued a fierce rebuke to Kemi Badenoch

    https://twitter.com/dailymirror/status/1656684232423399424

    Excellent. He is dead right as well. Both parties are increasingly guilty when in Government of making major policy announcements outside of Parliament when they should be briefing MPs first.
    Point of order, do they opposition need to make policy announcements to the HoC? Do they even have the opportunity to do so?
    I was referring to when they were last in power. This has been an increasingly annoying issue ever since the start of this century. I don't immediately remember Major or those before him being rebuked for this so regularly.
    I don't remember it being an issue with the last Labour government but I bow to your better memory.

    Is it a feature of the modern comms, the internet etc? There's a bit of me that thinks, so what if a press briefing is given before the HoC?
    I don't think you can get away with that exuse when it is actively briefed to a broadsheet newspaper. It isn't as if the Telegraph got hold of he information informally and then published it. And it has been made clear for years that Government business involving changes to the law should always be announced first in Parliament and not to the media since it is Parliament that will make the actual decision.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    My brother who has just visited from his home in Amsterdam has a Ukrainian Mother and son living with him and his family. They've been living with them for over a year and now the son has reached 18 he's unable to return without being arrested and having his passport confiscated.

    His mother who went to visit family in Kiev said there's a lot of ill feeling towards those who left the country and more so to those with boys who did. They are obliged to join the army at 18

    They are not now planning to return when and if the war ends despite having a husband still living there

    I think several million Ukranian refugees have now returned. An 18 year old is pretty certain to be drafted on return though, and it does look like fighting will drag on for some time.
    I'm slightly surprised. If all 18 year old men are drafted into the armed forces that is about 240,000 per year by my calculation. How many soldiers do they need? Given they already had several hundred thousand* in the army including reserves, plus a willingness of many to sign up (including women) I wouldn't have thought they would need to resort to this. And I'm slightly puzzled at the idea he would be arrested. For what?

    *Yes I know there have been plenty of casualties.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    It is 2023 and mobile coverage on railways continues to be poor. Labour must prioritise improving this as part of their railway plans.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Good news on the way?

    Earnings rising by 7% a year whilst house prices forecast to fall 5 or maybe 10%. If earnings rise 4-5% for another five years and house prices remain stable the ratio of prices to earnings* would go from 9:1 to about 6.5:1 - which I could live with.

    *back of cigarette packet calculation.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561

    Good news on the way?

    Earnings rising by 7% a year whilst house prices forecast to fall 5 or maybe 10%. If earnings rise 4-5% for another five years and house prices remain stable the ratio of prices to earnings* would go from 9:1 to about 6.5:1 - which I could live with.

    *back of cigarette packet calculation.

    Surely a massive "if". Heard it all before
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,285
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping



    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    “I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered.”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    Roger said:

    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image

    I've always thought he was a roaster during his stint at the FCA.

    The man who oversaw the LCF disaster should be cleaning toilets at St Pancras station, not the the Governor of the Bank of the England.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561

    Roger said:

    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image

    I've always thought he was a roaster during his stint at the FCA.

    The man who oversaw the LCF disaster should be cleaning toilets at St Pancras station, not the the Governor of the Bank of the England.
    What is wrong with cleaning loos?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,045
    Dialup said:

    Roger said:

    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image

    I've always thought he was a roaster during his stint at the FCA.

    The man who oversaw the LCF disaster should be cleaning toilets at St Pancras station, not the the Governor of the Bank of the England.
    What is wrong with cleaning loos?
    Nothing, but they have slightly less responsibility than the governor of the BoE.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    Dialup said:

    Roger said:

    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image

    I've always thought he was a roaster during his stint at the FCA.

    The man who oversaw the LCF disaster should be cleaning toilets at St Pancras station, not the the Governor of the Bank of the England.
    What is wrong with cleaning loos?
    Cleaning toilets with his tongue.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,873
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    You didn't share this piece of priceless tw@ttery.
    ..But staunch Brexiteers within the Conservative ranks have criticised the change, with former business secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg accusing Mr Sunak of "behaving like a Borgia"...

    I'm curious - is he implying adultery, incest, theft, bribery, or murder ?
    (I think we can rule out simony.)
    That is Kemi's leadership hopes over then. The ERG and Conservative right won't forgive her abandoning repeal of EU laws. If the Tories lose the next general election she will be seen as linked as much to the defeated Sunak as Hunt now
    Well she is. So that will be a correct impression.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    Boris Johnson felt so betrayed by Rishi Sunak’s resignation that he considered sending him a video calling him a four-letter word, his former director of communications has claimed.

    Sunak, who was chancellor at the time, precipitated the end of Johnson’s government after resigning last summer.

    Guto Harri, Johnson’s former director of communications, said on his new podcast, Unprecedented: “Rishi walked out. Didn’t even tell Boris he was going to go. Basically, he went public with a resignation. And a few days later, Boris found a little video on the internet that expressed what he wanted to say to Rishi. He didn’t send it, but he sent it to me and said, ‘thinking of sending this to Rishi’.

    “Video plays: ‘you’re a c***.’ So, there you have it. If you really want to know how Boris Johnson felt about Rishi Sunak in the immediate aftermath of his toppling and the great betrayal of all time as he sees it, there you have it.”

    Harri also claimed that Johnson described Sue Gray’s investigation into the Downing Street parties scandal as an “orgy of pain, abuse and humiliation”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnson-considered-sending-sunak-a-video-calling-him-a-c-hmlm38qk5
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    Nigelb said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping



    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    “I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered.”
    I see that I made the "possibly sane" list.

    OK to put that down for my appraisal?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Obviously you missed the list of modest, working class, and humble PBers of which I would have been the sole member of.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,169

    Roger said:

    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image

    I've always thought he was a roaster during his stint at the FCA.

    The man who oversaw the LCF disaster should be cleaning toilets at St Pancras station, not the the Governor of the Bank of the England.
    Can’t remember which of the numerous PB name droppers frequently mentioned their acquaintance with Bailey, but they certainly stopped referring to it quite a while back.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657

    Boris Johnson felt so betrayed by Rishi Sunak’s resignation that he considered sending him a video calling him a four-letter word, his former director of communications has claimed.

    Sunak, who was chancellor at the time, precipitated the end of Johnson’s government after resigning last summer.

    Guto Harri, Johnson’s former director of communications, said on his new podcast, Unprecedented: “Rishi walked out. Didn’t even tell Boris he was going to go. Basically, he went public with a resignation. And a few days later, Boris found a little video on the internet that expressed what he wanted to say to Rishi. He didn’t send it, but he sent it to me and said, ‘thinking of sending this to Rishi’.

    “Video plays: ‘you’re a c***.’ So, there you have it. If you really want to know how Boris Johnson felt about Rishi Sunak in the immediate aftermath of his toppling and the great betrayal of all time as he sees it, there you have it.”

    Harri also claimed that Johnson described Sue Gray’s investigation into the Downing Street parties scandal as an “orgy of pain, abuse and humiliation”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnson-considered-sending-sunak-a-video-calling-him-a-c-hmlm38qk5

    Good on Rishi
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561

    Boris Johnson felt so betrayed by Rishi Sunak’s resignation that he considered sending him a video calling him a four-letter word, his former director of communications has claimed.

    Sunak, who was chancellor at the time, precipitated the end of Johnson’s government after resigning last summer.

    Guto Harri, Johnson’s former director of communications, said on his new podcast, Unprecedented: “Rishi walked out. Didn’t even tell Boris he was going to go. Basically, he went public with a resignation. And a few days later, Boris found a little video on the internet that expressed what he wanted to say to Rishi. He didn’t send it, but he sent it to me and said, ‘thinking of sending this to Rishi’.

    “Video plays: ‘you’re a c***.’ So, there you have it. If you really want to know how Boris Johnson felt about Rishi Sunak in the immediate aftermath of his toppling and the great betrayal of all time as he sees it, there you have it.”

    Harri also claimed that Johnson described Sue Gray’s investigation into the Downing Street parties scandal as an “orgy of pain, abuse and humiliation”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnson-considered-sending-sunak-a-video-calling-him-a-c-hmlm38qk5

    Good on Rishi
    Boris chose Sue Gray lol what a twit
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    edited May 2023

    Roger said:

    Does anyone have confidence in the Governor of the Bank of England? There's something of the Boris Johnson about him and the chancellor who looks like he's got a poker up his bum doesn't improve the image

    I've always thought he was a roaster during his stint at the FCA.

    The man who oversaw the LCF disaster should be cleaning toilets at St Pancras station, not the the Governor of the Bank of the England.
    Can’t remember which of the numerous PB name droppers frequently mentioned their acquaintance with Bailey, but they certainly stopped referring to it quite a while back.
    Fun fact.

    I was once contacted by a headhunter to go and work for Andrew Bailey.

    I said no because I really shouldn't have a public facing role because of my colourful metaphors poachers shouldn't become gamekeepers.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    edited May 2023
    Ian Martin on Ch4 News now virtually admitting that Brexit -which he supported -has turned out 'a huge mess'. Considering he was the guest speaking up for Brexit viewers will conclude it's turned out more of a disaster than their worst fears.

    'Both sides lied their socks off' didn't help either. God help us! If that doesn't encourage SKS to stop bifucating on the fence nothing will
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,891
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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,795

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Obviously you missed the list of modest, working class, and humble PBers of which I would have been the sole member of.
    There's clearly a special category for awesome punners.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Obviously you missed the list of modest, working class, and humble PBers of which I would have been the sole member of.
    There's clearly a special category for awesome punners.
    I'd also be on that list.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983

    Good news on the way?

    Earnings rising by 7% a year whilst house prices forecast to fall 5 or maybe 10%. If earnings rise 4-5% for another five years and house prices remain stable the ratio of prices to earnings* would go from 9:1 to about 6.5:1 - which I could live with.

    *back of cigarette packet calculation.

    Don't waste your fag packets. We're in the shit
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Obviously you missed the list of modest, working class, and humble PBers of which I would have been the sole member of.
    There's clearly a special category for awesome punners.
    I'd also be on that list.
    Right at the top of the pun gent list
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    ydoethur said:

    You've submitted at least ten puns in the hope one would get you on it.

    Sadly, no pun in ten did.

    Today I bought a dog from the local blacksmith, as soon as we arrived home he made a bolt for the door.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,795

    ydoethur said:

    You've submitted at least ten puns in the hope one would get you on it.

    Sadly, no pun in ten did.

    Today I bought a dog from the local blacksmith, as soon as we arrived home he made a bolt for the door.
    Did your reputation hinge on it?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    You've submitted at least ten puns in the hope one would get you on it.

    Sadly, no pun in ten did.

    Today I bought a dog from the local blacksmith, as soon as we arrived home he made a bolt for the door.
    Did your reputation hinge on it?
    I will bracket that amongst the most punishing comments of the day.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Have to admit I did chuckle at a few of these, you'd almost believe it was a serious piece.

    Meet the new swing voters - Demographics that will make a difference
    Boomer Brenda. Brenda was born in 1953 and has spent the last two decades telling people about life in World War Two. She lives in the village of Plumley-on-Len, which has been in a Conservative constituency for the last 897 years. Still, she is outraged with Rishi Sunak for not responding to her letters about her opposition to the cancer research laboratory which is being built two kilometres from her home and would force dog walkers to take a very slightly different route. She doesn’t own a dog.

    https://thecritic.co.uk/meet-the-new-swing-voters/
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    Obviously you missed the list of modest, working class, and humble PBers of which I would have been the sole member of.
    Indeed. A poor list. An average second team at best
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,171
    Roger said:

    Good news on the way?

    Earnings rising by 7% a year whilst house prices forecast to fall 5 or maybe 10%. If earnings rise 4-5% for another five years and house prices remain stable the ratio of prices to earnings* would go from 9:1 to about 6.5:1 - which I could live with.

    *back of cigarette packet calculation.

    Don't waste your fag packets. We're in the shit
    And the current unstable economic scenario isn’t going to sail on unchanged for five years, anyhow. What sort of an assumption is that?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    Roger said:

    Ian Martin on Ch4 News now virtually admitting that Brexit -which he supported -has turned out 'a huge mess'. Considering he was the guest speaking up for Brexit viewers will conclude it's turned out more of a disaster than their worst fears.

    'Both sides lied their socks off' didn't help either. God help us! If that doesn't encourage SKS to stop bifucating on the fence nothing will

    A huge mess is being kind ! It’s still hard though for some people to accept reality . Can someone name a single thing in the country which has improved because of Brexit?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,891
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Talking of shite American things, the Gazette has just commissioned me to do a travel article on..... wait for it.... Cincinnati. Yes, the Newent of USA, the Wick of the Midwest, the Walsall of Jesus Christ Why There?


    Can anyone cheer me up? Is there any remotely positive thing about Cincinnati that I can look forward to?

    THIRD on its list of major attractions is "The American Sign Museum"

    HELP


    . .
    There used to be a leather museum in Walsall, and a Jerome K Jerome one too. And the Walsall illuminations in the autumn, a bit like the Blackpool ones, only a lot smaller, and with no sea. I worked there for a bit. The leather museum was more horse than gimp orientated.
    Jerome K Jerome was actually a genius, and came from Walsall. Maybe the only genius to do so.

    His charm is that he never quite realised that his genius was a comic one, and tried for ages to be a proper novelist. These efforts are so terrible they are worse than unreadable. Try (or rather don't try) Paul Kelver or All Roads Lead to Calvary - which is even worse than the title sounds.

    But Three Men in a Boat and the underrated Diary of a Pilgrimage are immortal.

    (Curiously people tend not to remember that in TMIAB they find the dead body of a suicide. JKJ is a comic genius who is slightly odd. Maybe Walsall does that to people.)

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156
    Quiet! All of you!

    The 2nd Eurovision semi-final is just about to start on BBC1!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    edited May 2023
    Q: Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    Q:Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.

    Did you hear about the guy from Hull who gave up smoking?

    He also gave up smirking!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,891
    nico679 said:

    Roger said:

    Ian Martin on Ch4 News now virtually admitting that Brexit -which he supported -has turned out 'a huge mess'. Considering he was the guest speaking up for Brexit viewers will conclude it's turned out more of a disaster than their worst fears.

    'Both sides lied their socks off' didn't help either. God help us! If that doesn't encourage SKS to stop bifucating on the fence nothing will

    A huge mess is being kind ! It’s still hard though for some people to accept reality . Can someone name a single thing in the country which has improved because of Brexit?
    Not much surprise. Most people in 2016 wanted neither answer on the ballot but a different sort of EU. The political failure to deliver an EU acceptable to the great majority of UK people (like NATO is) is a massive political fail pre-2016 for decades.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,795
    edited May 2023

    Q:Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.

    What cheese would you use to disguise a horse?

    Marscapone.

    Why would you disguise a horse?

    To hide a dodgy fetalock.

    Edit - the irony is TSE first posted that pun, because he didn't get it!
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,337
    The Met absolutely covering themselves with glory over the coronation here: https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1656644951978004483
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,795
    Phil said:

    The Met absolutely covering themselves with glory over the coronation here: https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1656644951978004483

    Isn't that the point of a coronation?
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208

    Andy_JS said:

    Has there ever been a case of a country changing their voting system from FPTP to another system and then changing back to FPTP? Or alternatively changing from a non-FPTP system to FPTP?

    In Canada, Province of British Columbia, as I recall for couple of provincial general elections late 1940s - early 1950s.
    France? Also Italy now has 37% FPTP.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    ydoethur said:

    Q:Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.

    What cheese would you use to disguise a horse?

    Marscapone.

    Why would you disguise a horse?

    To hide a dodgy fetalock.

    Edit - the irony is TSE first posted that pun, because he didn't get it!
    My head was frazelled that day.

    I had just got fired from my job at the keyboard factory.

    I wasn't putting in enough shifts.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,795

    ydoethur said:

    Q:Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.

    What cheese would you use to disguise a horse?

    Marscapone.

    Why would you disguise a horse?

    To hide a dodgy fetalock.

    Edit - the irony is TSE first posted that pun, because he didn't get it!
    My head was frazelled that day.

    I had just got fired from my job at the keyboard factory.

    I wasn't putting in enough shifts.
    So your dismissal was due to gain of function?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,725

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    It's possible to be boring and unhinged at the same time.
    First on list as solid (or dull) with my fellow oldy @OldKingCole

    I am sure we will both take that

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kle4 said:

    Depressing write up on BBC about Trump's town hall event. Basically that he will never stop saying 2020 was rigged, will pardon 6 Jan rioters, will definitely shift policy on Ukraine (though exactly how is unclear, but ending it in 24 hours as he suggests could only occur if he stopped ongoing support), and that the audience was eating out of the palm of his hand.

    If they get the chance the party will pick him again and the representatives will fall in line.

    Yes, not a good read. It's hard to see him winning the presidency back, with things as they are now, but it'd be better if he isn't on the ballot as the GOP candidate. If he gets the Nom he has to have a non-trivial chance just because of 'events', eg a Biden incident, a bank crash, something in Russia/Ukraine etc.
    The nomination is his to lose. Could he become president then? Of course, especially if the economic backdrop worsens, as seems likely.
    Very scary on so many levels. Good for all the worst people (eg the MAGA goons and Putin) and bad for everyone else. If it were to happen my Big Short would turn into the worst single betting loss I've ever had and I can honestly hand-on-heart say I don't even think about that aspect. That's how bleak a prospect it is.
    I'd give Trump about a 40% chance of winning, if he runs against Biden. That is far too close for comfort.
    Share the sentiment but I rate it more a 25%.
    On this subject, there is an interesting feature about PB. SFAICS there are several people/positions that have Zero support with PBers. These include: Trump, Xi, Putin, Assad, all sides in Sudan, North Korea, the Burmese government and so on.

    Of these one leaps out as different. Trump has tens of millions of loyal supporters in a free market liberal democracy with a free press.

    But not a word of support on PB (me included) ever, while Trump is 5/2 with Hills to be the next POTUS.

    is this because:
    (a) the PB Overton window is actually quite small
    (b) because nearly half the USA really are as authoritarian fascistlike as Putin and co and Trump's position resembles 1930s Germany
    (c) something else. (What?)
    An American PB equivalent might show more Trump support, I guess. There are things about the country we struggle to understand. Although tbh I think you're being a touch generous (to us) by saying 'not a word of support' for him on here ever. I recall a fair amount in the past, and ok there's very little now but still some. Plus there will be PBers who secretly have a soft spot and keep shtum to avoid a tongue lashing.
    I have a soft spot for someone who is democratically elected by any given electorate so put me in the democracy not as bad as all the other systems column.
    Yep. An elected President Trump is better than an unelected President Trump. However there's a risk the first leads to the second so it's best to play safe and have neither imo.
    I really don't see that. Not that as we have seen we have been at the end of any kind of history but you are saying that the US is possibly headed towards autarchy I just don't believe.

    Of course loathe the man but don't let that colour your usually razor-sharp assessment of the state of politics today.
    Well he had to be dragged out last time, tried to rig the election, pulling rank to intimidate officials into conjuring up votes for him, tried to get his VP to quash the certification and allow States to override with slates for him to swing it and keep him in power. This is all on the record. It happened. It didn't work but he tried alright.

    So, ok, a repeat and this time successful might be far from a given - but it's a definite possibility given another 4 years in control of the GOP and the Federal government, his foaming gullible base, the levers he could pull, stack the courts, stack the legislatures, placemen all over, the manipulations etc. Object: Trump/MAGA forever.

    If you don't see at least a risk worth worrying about I'll have to put it down to you not following American politics that closely. Which I know you don't and it's fair enough. It's not everyone's cup of tea.
    Trump/MAGA forever. He couldn't even get himself together to overturn the last election I think forever is a stretch.

    But as you are such a close follower of US politics I will take heed and upgrade the probability of Trump/MAGA forever from 0.000001% to 0.000002%.

    Thank you for your insight. I will bet accordingly.
    No need to be quite so literal. 'Trump/MAGA forever' means achieving corruption on a scale that makes him/them very hard to dislodge by the conventional means of a free & fair election.

    The risk of this is far higher than you have it there. You need to move the decimal point quite a way to the right. Course if he had managed it last time we wouldn't need to assess the risk, would we? It'd be 100%.
    "...if he had managed..."

    But he didn't and my point is I believe the system in the US is robust enough to see off any attempt to overthrow the government by force.

    We have already discussed Jan 6th and agreed, those sane posters on PB have agreed, that is, that it was far from a coup attempt. If that's what you mean. Don't put yourself on the side of the insane posters by saying that Jan 6th was a coup.
    Is there a list of which posters are sane or insane?
    Here's Topping's 'sane' list:

    1. Topping









    A lot of uncertainty here

    solid (or dull!)
    Big_G_NorthWales
    Sean_F
    eek
    algakirk
    OldKingCole
    williamglenn
    Nigelb
    OnlyLivingBoy

    possibly sane
    TOPPING
    kinabalu
    Andy_JS
    kle
    JosiasJessop
    Foxy
    Richard_Tyndall
    rcs1000

    definitely a bit unhinged
    Nigel_Foremain
    Sunil_Prasannan
    BlancheLivermore
    viewcode
    bigjohnowls

    completely barking
    MoonRabbit
    Dura_Ace
    CarlottaVance
    Casino_Royale
    HYUFD
    Dialup
    It's possible to be boring and unhinged at the same time.
    First on list as solid (or dull) with my fellow oldy @OldKingCole

    I am sure we will both take that
    I’ve had worse insults!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,015

    ydoethur said:

    Q:Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.

    What cheese would you use to disguise a horse?

    Marscapone.

    Why would you disguise a horse?

    To hide a dodgy fetalock.

    Edit - the irony is TSE first posted that pun, because he didn't get it!
    My head was frazelled that day.

    I had just got fired from my job at the keyboard factory.

    I wasn't putting in enough shifts.
    Frazelled?

    Are you showing off your foreign language skills again?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,916
    Looks like the Russians are in full-scale panic-driven meltdown all over telegram.

    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1656731158455910419

    "OSINTtechnical
    @Osinttechnical
    Watching Russian Telegram channels go into full rumor driven panic mode has been incredibly amusing

    OSINTtechnical
    @Osinttechnical
    Russian forces lose a few km2 of territory around Bakhmut and random Russian milbloggers start spreading rumors that Ukrainian mechanized units are starting a thunder run towards Moscow."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    @PBModerator can you ban the deputy editor (possibly yourself) for these awful puns please?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983
    Q: How do Mexicans stay warm when their heating breaks down?

    A: They use chicken fajitas.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,891
    Phil said:

    The Met absolutely covering themselves with glory over the coronation here: https://twitter.com/SteveRobson04/status/1656644951978004483

    Sometimes you could not make it up. Chilling.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,983

    ydoethur said:

    Q:Did you hear about the French chef who killed himself?

    A: He lost his huile d'olive.

    What cheese would you use to disguise a horse?

    Marscapone.

    Why would you disguise a horse?

    To hide a dodgy fetalock.

    Edit - the irony is TSE first posted that pun, because he didn't get it!
    My head was frazelled that day.

    I had just got fired from my job at the keyboard factory.

    I wasn't putting in enough shifts.
    Frazelled?

    Are you showing off your foreign language skills again?
    I'm tired, it has been a long day.
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