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  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,154

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    If true that seems sensible as the wealthy will have to contribute more
    The problem there is that there is no real reform in the supply-side of the industry, which is required.

    IMO another potentially missed opportunity.
  • kle4 said:

    Dynamo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris has now officially seen the Queen at Balmoral and resigned as PM. So for a while we are now PM less until Truss arrives with executive power in the hands of the Queen until then who is head of government as well as head of state until she appoints a new PM to act as head of her government

    She should secretly declare war on Lichtenstein and their obvious allies-in-evil Cape Verde
    Except it's not true and Johnson obviously stayed as prime minister until Truss was appointed. There's when a resignation is accepted and there's when departure from office comes into effect.
    So..... no war with the Lichtenstein/Verde stormtroopers?? Ffs
    We share an anthem with Lichtenstein, it wouldnt be right.
    Tommies in First World War trenches were sometimes confused by the old German anthem Heil dir im Siegerkranz wafting over no man's land. You might recognise the tune.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_1SbOoPS2U
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637

    Dura_Ace said:

    FPT:

    The NYT's latest "hot take":

    Britain’s Next Prime Minister Is Still in Thrall to the Empire

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/opinion/truss-uk-prime-minister.html

    For a former Lib Dem, republican Remainer that's quite a turn around!

    You do know that you don't have to read the NYT if it annoys you.
    Very short odds on bet that there are PBers who have a subscription to the NYT and the Natonal as they hilariously title it.
    I have a sub for the NYT partly because it is ludicrously cheap (50p a week) and partly because I like to read an intelligent new take on things - from a different perspective. And when the NYT isn’t discussing Britain or Culture War crap it can be insightful and enlightening

    Also the arts, tv and cooking and sports coverage is pretty good. Certainly worth 50p a week

    The National? HAHAHAHAHA no
  • Scott_xP said:

    the Natonal as they hilariously title it.

    Actually, it's the Nat onal...
    Even more hilarious! Have you kept up your sub?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,567
    RobD said:

    Dynamo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris has now officially seen the Queen at Balmoral and resigned as PM. So for a while we are now PM less until Truss arrives with executive power in the hands of the Queen until then who is head of government as well as head of state until she appoints a new PM to act as head of her government

    She should secretly declare war on Lichtenstein and their obvious allies-in-evil Cape Verde
    Except it's not true and Johnson obviously stayed as prime minister until Truss was appointed. There's when a resignation is accepted and there's when departure from office comes into effect.
    No, it is true.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/how-is-a-prime-minister-appointed/
    How silly, I love it.
  • HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    No Tory poll leads for EXACTLY NINE MONTHS!

    :lol:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356

    HYUFD said:

    On topic, although Sunak topped the ballot of Tory MPs he did not get a majority of them to back him either and most Tory MPs have now endorsed Truss after she gained support from some Mordaunt MPs for example.

    Truss' membership support was not overwhelming however, she got only 57% of Tory members to back her, which while clear was far less than the 67% of Tory members who voted for Cameron in 2005 and the 66% who voted for Boris in 2019 and even less than the 60% who voted for IDS in 2001.

    It was though about the same as the 56% of Labour members who voted for Starmer in 2020 and actually slightly more than the 49% of Labour members who voted for Corbyn in 2015, though less than the 59% of Labour members who voted to re elect Corbyn in 2016

    “ and most Tory MPs have now endorsed Truss after she gained support from some Mordaunt MPs for example.”

    PBs St Bart used the same laughable spin - truth is it was only after the greasy polers saw how the wind was blowing 🙂

    You are wrong, Mike Smithson is right - Truss struggles in all MP Ballots reflect how her crap skills set and policy outlook is not rated at all by her MPs.

    And not liked by her membership either, as she got less than 50% to endorse her despite being clear winner for weeks - and if it had been two horse race with discredited and barmy Boris she would have been soundly beaten by him is the truth here.
    Boris would have beaten Truss with the membership yes, as would Badenoch
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    Yougov do a fair bit of leaping around in their polling, I tend to ignore them.
  • HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    The Paisley effect still to kick in north of Carlisle?
  • RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    ,Labour plan is for 6 months, this is 18 months and the cost will not be added to future energy bills but paid by the exchequer
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    edited September 2022

    Leon said:

    FPT:

    The NYT's latest "hot take":

    Britain’s Next Prime Minister Is Still in Thrall to the Empire

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/opinion/truss-uk-prime-minister.html

    For a former Lib Dem, republican Remainer that's quite a turn around!


    The colonisation of the NYT by the British Remainer mindset is one of the strangest evolutions in journalism

    Frankly, if I was a NYT reader in America I’d be somewhat bored of this neurosis by now

    It was long before that - when the UK rejected Brown (who was closely tied in with East Coast Democrats) and elected the Coalition, the NYT took the "Austerity" (cutting the rate of growth in spending to below the rate of growth of the economy) as an insult to Obamanomics (borrow your way out of trouble).
    Yes, ideologically the NYT are liberal Democrats and would be Brownite or Starmerite Labour in UK terms
  • RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    Did Labour want to cancel Rishi's HMG's £400 handout?
  • Scott_xP said:

    Strangely hearing that 2 or maybe 3 people have turned down the Northern Ireland brief. Have heard Penny Mordaunt and Sajid Javid- maybe another - what’s going on?
    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1567114178749497345

    That was news days ago
  • Scott_xP said:

    Strangely hearing that 2 or maybe 3 people have turned down the Northern Ireland brief. Have heard Penny Mordaunt and Sajid Javid- maybe another - what’s going on?
    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1567114178749497345

    That’s a bullet I’d want to dodge too.
  • eekeek Posts: 22,078

    Scott_xP said:

    Strangely hearing that 2 or maybe 3 people have turned down the Northern Ireland brief. Have heard Penny Mordaunt and Sajid Javid- maybe another - what’s going on?
    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1567114178749497345

    That was news days ago
    Yep - there are a number of positions where Truss's comments over the past month have made the job a poison chalice that no-one wishes to be anywhere near...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,110

    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    Did Labour want to cancel Rishi's HMG's £400 handout?
    Yes, see point three here:

    https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-energy-bills-plan/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    Dynamo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris has now officially seen the Queen at Balmoral and resigned as PM. So for a while we are now PM less until Truss arrives with executive power in the hands of the Queen until then who is head of government as well as head of state until she appoints a new PM to act as head of her government

    She should secretly declare war on Lichtenstein and their obvious allies-in-evil Cape Verde
    Except it's not true and Johnson obviously stayed as prime minister until Truss was appointed. There's when a resignation is accepted and there's when departure from office comes into effect.
    No, BigG is correct, the PM is only the Queen's chief minister, when a PM resigns, until the Queen appoints a new PM she is technically head of her own government as well as head of State
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825
    kle4 said:

    Dynamo said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris has now officially seen the Queen at Balmoral and resigned as PM. So for a while we are now PM less until Truss arrives with executive power in the hands of the Queen until then who is head of government as well as head of state until she appoints a new PM to act as head of her government

    She should secretly declare war on Lichtenstein and their obvious allies-in-evil Cape Verde
    Except it's not true and Johnson obviously stayed as prime minister until Truss was appointed. There's when a resignation is accepted and there's when departure from office comes into effect.
    So..... no war with the Lichtenstein/Verde stormtroopers?? Ffs
    We share an anthem with Lichtenstein, it wouldnt be right.
    On the other hand, we could learn from Putin to pick on a country that we could beat.
  • So, are taxes going up or is the new PM going to borrow £90bn extra?

    Last I checked (admittedly a year or more ago) our debt interest payments were already £55bn or thereabouts.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    I have now seen four different energy price schemes leaked/briefed today.
    This isn’t a great way to make policy.

    https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1567104824843374594

    Is she throwing them out there to see which one sticks?
  • HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
  • Scott_xP said:

    Strangely hearing that 2 or maybe 3 people have turned down the Northern Ireland brief. Have heard Penny Mordaunt and Sajid Javid- maybe another - what’s going on?
    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1567114178749497345

    Who'd want Northern Ireland when the PM is threatening the Northern Ireland Protocol and Sinn Fein will be running the show?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264

    So, are taxes going up or is the new PM going to borrow £90bn extra?

    Both versions have been briefed to the press
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836
    Scott_xP said:

    I have now seen four different energy price schemes leaked/briefed today.
    This isn’t a great way to make policy.

    https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1567104824843374594

    Is she throwing them out there to see which one sticks?

    To the ceiling?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,110
    edited September 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    So, are taxes going up or is the new PM going to borrow £90bn extra?

    Both versions have been briefed to the press
    Both are likely true, aren't they? Borrow in the short term, tax in the medium/long term.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I do agree we will not really be able to tell until Truss has at least been in office for a week and probably a month whether she has got a bounce or not
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    So @SamCoatesSky and @Steven_Swinford agree that general taxation is the Truss plan.. but BBC's Simon Jack and the opposition parties still pushing exact opposite... https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1567089529881874433 https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1567115401804275712/photo/1
  • RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    Did Labour want to cancel Rishi's HMG's £400 handout?
    Yes - Labour have announced the £400 scheme would be abolished saving 14 billion
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,127
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Buckingham Palace confirms that The Queen has accepted the resignation of Boris Johnson as Prime Minister.

    Thank fuck that's over...

    There goes the conspiracy theory that you were touting for weeks...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423
    Liz Truss is now PM.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    On topic, although Sunak topped the ballot of Tory MPs he did not get a majority of them to back him either and most Tory MPs have now endorsed Truss after she gained support from some Mordaunt MPs for example.

    Truss' membership support was not overwhelming however, she got only 57% of Tory members to back her, which while clear was far less than the 67% of Tory members who voted for Cameron in 2005 and the 66% who voted for Boris in 2019 and even less than the 60% who voted for IDS in 2001.

    It was though about the same as the 56% of Labour members who voted for Starmer in 2020 and actually slightly more than the 49% of Labour members who voted for Corbyn in 2015, though less than the 59% of Labour members who voted to re elect Corbyn in 2016

    “ and most Tory MPs have now endorsed Truss after she gained support from some Mordaunt MPs for example.”

    PBs St Bart used the same laughable spin - truth is it was only after the greasy polers saw how the wind was blowing 🙂

    You are wrong, Mike Smithson is right - Truss struggles in all MP Ballots reflect how her crap skills set and policy outlook is not rated at all by her MPs.

    And not liked by her membership either, as she got less than 50% to endorse her despite being clear winner for weeks - and if it had been two horse race with discredited and barmy Boris she would have been soundly beaten by him is the truth here.
    Boris would have beaten Truss with the membership yes, as would Badenoch
    Although I am not voting Tory at this stage in my life (right wing populism is not Conservative enough for me) I am sure I understand how you feel - you pointed out swapping Truss in for Boris is stupid and would result in this meltdown with no comeback six months before they actually did it! So I am sorry this has happened to you. Of course all the lefty’s on here and in the country wanted Boris out the way and are far happier with Truss - it speaks volumes - but they will tell you Boris had to go, part of their hatred was, he was a winner, but in terms of getting swingback as midterm drew to a close, Boris was still the better option for the Tories, if that is the only factor which matters.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,909
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Hearing that Jacob Rees Mogg is expected to take on the role of business secretary *and* the junior minister's responsibilities of energy and climate change later today

    Word is at least two Tories have turned down the jr role which would have worked closely with him

    https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1567111390418051074



    There is a slim chance at this point that Truss can't actually put together a functioning cabinet...

    Got to say that Junior Energy and Climate Change Minister reporting to JRM sounds like the worst job possible....
    What you wouldn't fancy being patronised to within an inch of your life on a daily basis by a facetious toffee-nosed ignoramus?
    You would take the job purely so that on first meeting you could throw your hat at him and then fake apologise for mistaking him for an antique hatstand.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I thought going on in great detail about Scttish subsamples got someone banned from PB?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,448

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    These polls are quite usefull to Truss and the Conservatives. Suppose the polls in mid October show a 7-10 point lead for labour, they can say that "on the morning Truss took over Labour, had a 15 point lead and Truss clearly has the momentum".
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,571
    Scott_xP said:
    First time HMQ has had an audience with a PM who once advocated removing her. #Awks
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,503
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    So, are taxes going up or is the new PM going to borrow £90bn extra?

    Both versions have been briefed to the press
    Both are likely true, aren't they? Borrow in the short term, tax in the medium/long term.
    We’ll likely see the return of long-dated “war bonds”, for the extraordinary spending during and after the pandemic, including energy bill support.

    Sterling up a couple of cents this morning, on news of the new PM.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,571
    Andy_JS said:

    Liz Truss is now PM.

    Rejoice!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093
    On topic

    Truss
    noun; a framework made in simplest form from two short planks.
  • HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    The time to view polls is as we approach the next General Election, so probably from late 2023 onwards!
  • Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I thought going on in great detail about Scttish subsamples got someone banned from PB?
    I haven't spoken about any sub samples to be fair
  • Time was when a departing PM would be left to their own devices to return from the Palace after resigning (no longer being entitled to a government car as no longer being part of the government).

    It would have been mildly amusing to have seen Johnson marooned in the Highlands.



    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1567116044761710592?s=46&t=ogZtt8PS6z6xpYoChJrTxg
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 19,093
    Andy_JS said:

    Liz Truss is now PM.

    So Johnson is officially the second best Prime Minister this decade.
  • Scott_xP said:

    The new secretaries of state for Trade, Transport, Education and Culture have proved the most problematic to fill, according to a senior Government source.

    “Kemi and Penny have been difficult. They both think they have enough clout to hold out for something better than what they have been offered,” they said.

    “Kemi was offered Transport but didn’t want it. And there was the question about whether Nadine would carry on. Now she has resigned so that frees up the space.”

    “Giving Culture or Education to Kemi would give her too much of a platform,” the source explained, given how vocal she has been on issues of culture wars and free speech.


    https://twitter.com/camillahmturner/status/1567110307490701315

    Kemi would have been a perfect Truss Home Secretary - big promotion, can’t be seen as a slight, sort of aligns with Kemi’s positioning, but is a poisoned chalice.

    Unfortunately for Truss she’s got to repay the debt to the ERG by giving that gig to Suella…
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214

    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    Did Labour want to cancel Rishi's HMG's £400 handout?
    Yes - Labour have announced the £400 scheme would be abolished saving 14 billion
    In favour of keeping the other Rishi hand out better targeted at those in need.
  • TLDR “yes”

    Has Russia shot itself in the foot, again?

    This will be a long thread covering the probable Russian closing of gas to Europe and limited ability of Russia to reroute this to China with their current gas infrastructure.

    1/12


    https://twitter.com/oalexanderdk/status/1567117173008601088
  • HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
    Time to get on board and give her your full support
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I thought going on in great detail about Scttish subsamples got someone banned from PB?
    I haven't spoken about any sub samples to be fair
    No, quite right: should have said, the previous poster. Apologies.
  • eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Hearing that Jacob Rees Mogg is expected to take on the role of business secretary *and* the junior minister's responsibilities of energy and climate change later today

    Word is at least two Tories have turned down the jr role which would have worked closely with him

    https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1567111390418051074



    There is a slim chance at this point that Truss can't actually put together a functioning cabinet...

    Got to say that Junior Energy and Climate Change Minister reporting to JRM sounds like the worst job possible....

    Now that JRM's kids are growing up, maybe his nanny could double up?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,576
    Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    @Nigel_Farage
    The Tories will lose next election unless Liz Truss stops the Channel invasion, makes us energy independent & boosts the economy by helping small business.

    It is in the national interest for her to succeed on these things.

    She has a lot of work to do.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 23,356

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    If true that seems sensible as the wealthy will have to contribute more
    And for business..... ????
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,576

    Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
    "Interesting necklace - whats that all about"
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    No, there were two very different types of freeze, the one Labour put forward, the cheaper for the nation, and the counter proposal from the energy fat cats who didn’t like how they would be hurt more under Labours proposal.
  • Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I thought going on in great detail about Scttish subsamples got someone banned from PB?
    Cannot see labour getting beyond 40 % in a general election, the important figure as always is the Tory %, if they get in the low 30s % wise, they are in real trouble
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
    Time to get on board and give her your full support
    I will give her my support as I have given every new Tory leader my support since I joined the party under William Hague, even when you were voting for Blair and New Labour
  • Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
    Balmoral could use some second-hand £2,000 a roll wallpaper.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    If true that seems sensible as the wealthy will have to contribute more
    And for business..... ????
    Seems a similar package is on the way for businesses especially small businesses

    Details should be announced this week if not today
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,576

    Time was when a departing PM would be left to their own devices to return from the Palace after resigning (no longer being entitled to a government car as no longer being part of the government).

    It would have been mildly amusing to have seen Johnson marooned in the Highlands.



    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1567116044761710592?s=46&t=ogZtt8PS6z6xpYoChJrTxg

    Is that really true? I don't remember Blair, Brown, Cameron, May etc hitch-hiking back from the Palace?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 42,503

    Time was when a departing PM would be left to their own devices to return from the Palace after resigning (no longer being entitled to a government car as no longer being part of the government).

    It would have been mildly amusing to have seen Johnson marooned in the Highlands.



    https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1567116044761710592?s=46&t=ogZtt8PS6z6xpYoChJrTxg

    IIRC that’s what Theresa May did, at her Chequers EU summit, while trying to find a way to get her party to support what they’d rejected twice already.

    She said that anyone who resigned would have to call a cab, because they wouldn’t be leaving in a government car.

    Presumably, Johnson will today go back to London on the plane that bought him - a ‘royal’ military plane rather than a ‘government’ plane?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,110

    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    No, there were two very different types of freeze, the one Labour put forward, the cheaper for the nation, and the counter proposal from the energy fat cats who didn’t like how they would be hurt more under Labours proposal.
    What? They are basically the same.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
    Time to get on board and give her your full support
    I will give her my support as I have given every new Tory leader my support since I joined the party under William Hague, even when you were voting for Blair and New Labour
    "MY PARTY RIGHT OR WRONG!"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I thought going on in great detail about Scttish subsamples got someone banned from PB?
    No, as long as you mention it is a subsample OGH is fine with that.

    SD always goes on about Scottish subsamples if SCons are doing badly and the SNP doing well
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825

    Scott_xP said:

    Strangely hearing that 2 or maybe 3 people have turned down the Northern Ireland brief. Have heard Penny Mordaunt and Sajid Javid- maybe another - what’s going on?
    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1567114178749497345

    That’s a bullet I’d want to dodge too.
    Perhaps not the best metaphor for NI Sec...
  • Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
    "There's only room for ONE Elizabeth, you know!"
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,778
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    First time HMQ has had an audience with a PM who once advocated removing her. #Awks
    When you think for a moment about the people HM the Queen has had to meet and shake hands with over the last 70 years, a meeting with any sort of peaceful liberal minded constitutional democrat is going to be fairly simple.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
    Time to get on board and give her your full support
    I will give her my support as I have given every new Tory leader my support since I joined the party under William Hague, even when you were voting for Blair and New Labour
    They have upgraded your software already? That was quick!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,932
    Scott_xP said:
    Even in old age, HM remains uniquely charismatic. Quite moving.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I thought going on in great detail about Scttish subsamples got someone banned from PB?
    No, as long as you mention it is a subsample OGH is fine with that.

    SD always goes on about Scottish subsamples if SCons are doing badly and the SNP doing well
    Not to my recollection. He's pretty sceptical about them and keen on proper polling.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,576

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
    Time to get on board and give her your full support
    I will give her my support as I have given every new Tory leader my support since I joined the party under William Hague, even when you were voting for Blair and New Labour
    "MY PARTY RIGHT OR WRONG!"
    Many, many people are like this, on all sides. How many are "Always Labour round here" types? Or southern rural Tory voters? I'd argue that floating voters are in the minority.
  • That is a disastrous poll for Truss!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    First time HMQ has had an audience with a PM who once advocated removing her. #Awks
    A PM yes but she met Foot and Corbyn for example on occasion who were leaders of the Opposition and still republicans at the time, Truss says she is now an ex republican who values our constitutional monarchy
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,148
    edited September 2022
    algarkirk said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    First time HMQ has had an audience with a PM who once advocated removing her. #Awks
    When you think for a moment about the people HM the Queen has had to meet and shake hands with over the last 70 years, a meeting with any sort of peaceful liberal minded constitutional democrat is going to be fairly simple.
    She's met tons of republicans over the years. Australian PMs come to mind...
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    edited September 2022
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    No, there were two very different types of freeze, the one Labour put forward, the cheaper for the nation, and the counter proposal from the energy fat cats who didn’t like how they would be hurt more under Labours proposal.
    What? They are basically the same.
    Not at all, very different, especially In overall cost to the nation - the Energy Fat Cat proposal Truss has agreed with, the energy’s company’s get the governments bung and much less of a hit on their profits. The Libdem and Labour proposal and the Tory policy are chalk and cheese under the bonnet.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,932
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:
    First time HMQ has had an audience with a PM who once advocated removing her. #Awks
    A PM yes but she met Foot and Corbyn for example on occasion who were leaders of the Opposition and still republicans at the time, Truss says she is now an ex republican who values our constitutional monarchy
    The problem with Truss is that is only what she believes this week. Who knows what she will believe next week.
  • Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    That's a dumb way to do it. Spending the same money on expanding the £400 handout would make much more sense as the market price signal would be much better preserved, and thus people would be much more incentivsed to insulate properties, turn down their thermostats, install Solar PV and/or logburners (I'm currently installing my logburner that's been waiting for me to get round to it for the last 5 years).
  • Everybody keep Calmer!
  • Why is Truss allowed to escape Republicanism but Keir isn't
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356
    edited September 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    On topic, although Sunak topped the ballot of Tory MPs he did not get a majority of them to back him either and most Tory MPs have now endorsed Truss after she gained support from some Mordaunt MPs for example.

    Truss' membership support was not overwhelming however, she got only 57% of Tory members to back her, which while clear was far less than the 67% of Tory members who voted for Cameron in 2005 and the 66% who voted for Boris in 2019 and even less than the 60% who voted for IDS in 2001.

    It was though about the same as the 56% of Labour members who voted for Starmer in 2020 and actually slightly more than the 49% of Labour members who voted for Corbyn in 2015, though less than the 59% of Labour members who voted to re elect Corbyn in 2016

    “ and most Tory MPs have now endorsed Truss after she gained support from some Mordaunt MPs for example.”

    PBs St Bart used the same laughable spin - truth is it was only after the greasy polers saw how the wind was blowing 🙂

    You are wrong, Mike Smithson is right - Truss struggles in all MP Ballots reflect how her crap skills set and policy outlook is not rated at all by her MPs.

    And not liked by her membership either, as she got less than 50% to endorse her despite being clear winner for weeks - and if it had been two horse race with discredited and barmy Boris she would have been soundly beaten by him is the truth here.
    Boris would have beaten Truss with the membership yes, as would Badenoch
    Although I am not voting Tory at this stage in my life (right wing populism is not Conservative enough for me) I am sure I understand how you feel - you pointed out swapping Truss in for Boris is stupid and would result in this meltdown with no comeback six months before they actually did it! So I am sorry this has happened to you. Of course all the lefty’s on here and in the country wanted Boris out the way and are far happier with Truss - it speaks volumes - but they will tell you Boris had to go, part of their hatred was, he was a winner, but in terms of getting swingback as midterm drew to a close, Boris was still the better option for the Tories, if that is the only factor which matters.
    Indeed, the lefties and liberals on here of course are much happier with Truss than Boris, however none of them will vote for Truss over Starmer or Davey.

    Yougov today though has 19% of 2019 Tory voters now switching to Labour as Boris departs
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,338



    Scott_xP said:

    The new secretaries of state for Trade, Transport, Education and Culture have proved the most problematic to fill, according to a senior Government source.

    “Kemi and Penny have been difficult. They both think they have enough clout to hold out for something better than what they have been offered,” they said.

    “Kemi was offered Transport but didn’t want it. And there was the question about whether Nadine would carry on. Now she has resigned so that frees up the space.”

    “Giving Culture or Education to Kemi would give her too much of a platform,” the source explained, given how vocal she has been on issues of culture wars and free speech.


    https://twitter.com/camillahmturner/status/1567110307490701315

    Kemi would have been a perfect Truss Home Secretary - big promotion, can’t be seen as a slight, sort of aligns with Kemi’s positioning, but is a poisoned chalice.

    Unfortunately for Truss she’s got to repay the debt to the ERG by giving that gig to Suella…
    I suspect Braverman is going to be quite similar to Patel. They have a very similar political style. Patel was possibly slightly better at rousing the masses.
  • Sandpit said:

    That is a disastrous poll for Truss!

    She’s been PM for literally 10 minutes!

    Shall we at least wait until she appoints a Cabinet, takes PMQs, and makes a statement on energy bills, before dismissing her out of hand?
    Compared to Johnson it is a disaster, he'd already had a bounce by now
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,110

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    No, there were two very different types of freeze, the one Labour put forward, the cheaper for the nation, and the counter proposal from the energy fat cats who didn’t like how they would be hurt more under Labours proposal.
    What? They are basically the same.
    Not at all, very different, especially In overall cost to the nation - the Energy Fat Cat proposal Truss has agreed with, the energy’s company’s get the governments bung and much less of a hit on their profits.
    I think you are just being silly at this point. The proposals are the same in how they are implemented, just Truss' is over a longer period, and comes with an extra £400.
  • Raining heavily again here.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 23,356

    Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
    "I look forward to seeing you whip the government into shape.

    Nice necklace, by the way."
  • StockyStocky Posts: 8,738

    Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
    Queen says: "Jizzy Lizzy! We share the same name!"
  • DriverDriver Posts: 3,127

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    Sounds like a dogs dinner - Truss listened to the energy fat cats and did what they wanted, whilst Lib Dems and Labour listened to the voters.
    Isn't it the same as Labour's plan plus an additional £400 handout?
    No, there were two very different types of freeze, the one Labour put forward, the cheaper for the nation, and the counter proposal from the energy fat cats who didn’t like how they would be hurt more under Labours proposal.
    What? They are basically the same.
    Not at all, very different, especially In overall cost to the nation - the Energy Fat Cat proposal Truss has agreed with, the energy’s company’s get the governments bung and much less of a hit on their profits. The Libdem and Labour proposal and the Tory policy are chalk and cheese under the bonnet.
    Do you care about the effect on the public, or do you care about spouting divisive nonsense, trying to play the politics of envy?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,356

    Why is Truss allowed to escape Republicanism but Keir isn't

    Sir Keir is, at least for me, he now says he supports a reformed monarchy so I take him at his word. As a knight of the realm I would expect nothing less
  • Cyclefree said:

    Exclusive:

    Liz Truss expected to freeze household energy bills at around £2,500

    It will be the £1,971 energy price cap + the £400 universal handout, with a little on top

    Cost expected to be around £90bn - coming from general taxation, not energy bills


    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1567107440436453376

    If true that seems sensible as the wealthy will have to contribute more
    And for business..... ????
    Seems a similar package is on the way for businesses especially small businesses

    Details should be announced this week if not today
    Probably on Thursday. Freeze the current cap up to March 2024, provide some similar support/protection for small businesses to the same date.

    Repay from 2024 either through long term loading of energy bills or bond issue or some other suitable approach.

    In other words provide domestic users and small businesses with some sort of stability and security now.

    👍👍👍
  • Betfair seem to be quite tardy on paying out. Come on already.
  • CorrectHorseBattery3CorrectHorseBattery3 Posts: 1,850
    edited September 2022
    Well we now just borrow forever, the Tories no longer care about the young paying it all off, what a change the last decade has given.

    I am in favour of Liz's proposals, even if she has nicked them wholesale from Labour
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,836
    boulay said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Private eye cover incoming - any takers for a comical caption?
    Both “I’m Elizabeth, I have a dungeon.”
    Not quite. Definitely dungeons plural for one of them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,423
    Therese Coffey to be deputy PM.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    So the Queen has now done her job and replaced Boris as PM with Truss.

    Now for Truss to do her job, go back to London, make an inspiring speech outside No 10, appoint an effective Cabinet and get on with tackling issues like cost of living
    Time to get on board and give her your full support
    I will give her my support as I have given every new Tory leader my support since I joined the party under William Hague, even when you were voting for Blair and New Labour
    "MY PARTY RIGHT OR WRONG!"
    Many, many people are like this, on all sides. How many are "Always Labour round here" types? Or southern rural Tory voters? I'd argue that floating voters are in the minority.
    Oh well, I voted Labour in 1997 and 2015, LibDem in 2001 and 2005, and Tory in 2010, 2017 and 2019.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 8,738

    Betfair seem to be quite tardy on paying out. Come on already.

    We are both pressing "refresh" then!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214

    HYUFD said:

    Yougov

    Con: 28% (-3 from 23-24 Aug)
    Lab: 43% (+4)
    Lib Dem: 11% (=)
    Green: 6% (-1)
    Reform UK: 3% (-2)
    SNP: 5% (=)


    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1567107622163079170?s=20&t=koL0fjMmGxvoOqgFMiGhwg

    Labour now open up a 12% lead in the Midlands and Wales, a 26% point lead in the North and a 35% lead in London. Labour even 4% ahead in the South.

    However the Tories up to 22% in the Yougov Scottish subsample, with the SNP on 46% and Labour on 20%.

    So so far the main swing to the Tories with a looming Truss premiership is in Scotland, everywhere else has swung further to Labour. However the poll was taken before she became PM so we need a week or so to see if she gets any bounce

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/06/voting-intention-con-28-lab-43-31-aug-1-sep-2022-a

    I just find these polls pointless as Truss has not even announced her proposals

    The time to view polls is late September and into October after the party conferences
    I am not convinced by your argument - in fact you are being very rude to everyday voters and people to be honest. the idea voters haven’t a clue today what Truss and Kwarzy are going to do yet, so we need to wait - The whole point of two months of campaigning is to sell yourself and your approach to things - which Truss has done, and it is reflected in these polls. Not only that, voters should be able to draw on a fair idea about politicians strengths weaknesses etc from politics before campaign even started, this too is reflected in this Tory poll collapse.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 30,637
    edited September 2022
    Scott_xP said:
    Oh god. The dear old queen looks terrible

    A well placed friend told me to expect London Bridge soon, just the other day
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